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Book
9th June 2010, 08:35 AM
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The Associated Press - Published: 06/08/10

TALENT, Ore. — Todd Ragsdale enjoyed a peppermint mineral foot soak while relaxing at home Monday. It was well deserved after running a world-record distance without shoes over the weekend. Between 8 a.m. Saturday and 8 a.m. Sunday, the 41-year-old logged 102 miles barefoot - 413 laps on the South Medford High School track.

Ragsdale made his run in the Relay For Life fundraiser for the American Cancer Society.

The run left Ragsdale's feet bruised, blistered and swollen, but he said it was well worth it.

Linky (http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/06/08/1222876/quite-a-feet-oregon-man-runs-102.html)



I posted this news story in the Preparedness section so we can better ponder the importance of physical fitness. This guy didn't need to buy expensive esoteric shoes or socks from REI (http://www.rei.com/category/4501260). No equipment whatsoever but he traveled 102 miles in 24 hours. Barefoot. I imagine water was the only necessity.

Thoughts?

:)

Heimdhal
9th June 2010, 08:37 AM
Thoughts?

Yeah, lets see him do it over un even, non paved terrain while people are pursuing him, with 60 lbs of gear!


Ah, i kid. That is quite a feat (pun is obvious, I know) and I couldnt even come close to it even when I was in decent shape. Kudos to him, Im sure his feet are pretty sore after that!

Book
9th June 2010, 08:57 AM
...while people are pursuing him, with 60 lbs of gear!



People here worry about traveling to their "Bugout" location. It appears that he could walk/run there with little more than drinking water.

:oo-->

DMac
9th June 2010, 09:11 AM
Interesting story Book, thanks for posting.


http://aloudrp.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/zombieland-rule-1.jpg

Heimdhal
9th June 2010, 09:13 AM
...while people are pursuing him, with 60 lbs of gear!



People here worry about traveling to their "Bugout" location. It appears that he could walk/run there with little more than drinking water.

:oo-->


I think alot of people are going to meet an unfortunate and untimley end if they attempt to bug out during or after some kind of major SHTF to some remote "hideaway".

madfranks
9th June 2010, 09:45 AM
People here worry about traveling to their "Bugout" location. It appears that he could walk/run there with little more than drinking water.

:oo-->


If you're running that long without stopping, you actually do need to eat while running. I've never run a marathon, the most I've run are 10k races, but I know they make high-calorie, nutrient dense "gels" you eat while running long races. An average guy might burn about 700 calories per hour of running, so for a 24 hour run that's 16,800 calories! You definitely need to replenish some of that.

willie pete
9th June 2010, 10:31 AM
Yea, I'd say that was really INCREDIBLE, it comes out to approx. 17 times around the track EVERY hour (3:48 sec laps) of the day :o OR doing 14 minute miles one after the other until you reach 102 :o Idaho huh? wonder what's in those potatos he's eating? :D

hoarder
9th June 2010, 12:34 PM
Ragsdale made his run in the Relay For Life fundraiser for the American Cancer Society.
Too bad his mind isn't as fit as his body.
To be prepared for the worst you have to get both mind and body fit.

m0nt3cr1st016
9th June 2010, 02:25 PM
Yea, I'd say that was really INCREDIBLE, it comes out to approx. 17 times around the track EVERY hour (3:48 sec laps) of the day :o OR doing 14 minute miles one after the other until you reach 102 :o Idaho huh? wonder what's in those potatos he's eating? :D


I'm guessing you have never been to OREGON before- or just have extremely poor reading comprehension- or both ;) I doubt this guy is eating many potatoes, this feat is pretty much impossible to accomplish if you're not getting half your calories from predominantly raw non potato vegetables.

Book
9th June 2010, 03:00 PM
People here worry about traveling to their "Bugout" location. It appears that he could walk/run there with little more than drinking water.

:oo-->


If you're running that long without stopping, you actually do need to eat while running. I've never run a marathon, the most I've run are 10k races, but I know they make high-calorie, nutrient dense "gels" you eat while running long races. An average guy might burn about 700 calories per hour of running, so for a 24 hour run that's 16,800 calories! You definitely need to replenish some of that.



Thanks Madfranks. I posted this in the Preparedness section and not the Fitness section because I am trying to get my head around using this story as it might relate to traveling to a Bugout safe haven wtshtf. I don't have any long-distance running experience whatsoever. Couple of years ago I was on a health kick and would stroll five miles to the town Mall in 90-minutes then stroll back home. Back then I could casually walk this ten miles a day in average physical condition without any duress. I imagine back then I could maybe walk 20-miles in a day if I had to. So my personal one-day distance limit for a stroll is 20-miles.

http://www.roguerivertrips.info/activities/Photos-Files/first-day-hike.jpg

Maybe Black Blade can chime in here. The notion that we all need a Bugout Bag full of cool equipment to travel to our Bugout safe haven seems suspect to me now. Maybe we don't even need a Bugout Vehicle either. Maybe we only need a canteen and a decent pair of walking shoes to reach our Bugout safe haven wtshtf. It all depends on the actual distance and relative hostility of the area.

Only beyond this 20-miles we then might need extra equipment like a sleeping bag etc. So...what is the practical distance we can stroll to our Bugout safe haven before we actually even need food or a Bugout Bag?

:conf:

zusn
9th June 2010, 03:25 PM
I posted this news story in the Preparedness section so we can better ponder the importance of physical fitness. This guy didn't need to buy expensive esoteric shoes or socks from REI (http://www.rei.com/category/4501260). No equipment whatsoever but he traveled 102 miles in 24 hours. Barefoot. I imagine water was the only necessity.

Thoughts?

:)





My buddy has got involved in barefoot running. There's a science behind it and some pretty good information on it too. Some of the guys he trains with run barefoot on trails, etc.

willie pete
9th June 2010, 03:35 PM
Yea, I'd say that was really INCREDIBLE, it comes out to approx. 17 times around the track EVERY hour (3:48 sec laps) of the day :o OR doing 14 minute miles one after the other until you reach 102 :o Idaho huh? wonder what's in those potatos he's eating? :D


I'm guessing you have never been to OREGON before- or just have extremely poor reading comprehension- or both ;) I doubt this guy is eating many potatoes, this feat is pretty much impossible to accomplish if you're not getting half your calories from predominantly raw non potato vegetables.



Calm down bundle of sticks, I was thinking Idaho because of the newspaper the story was in, I made a mistake :D, you ever make one of those? ::) nope, never been to OR, close though, extremely poor reading comprehension? don't think so, the potato comment was sarcasm...sheesh http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-rolleyes005.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Book
9th June 2010, 03:52 PM
People here worry about traveling to their "Bugout" location. It appears that he could walk/run there with little more than drinking water.

:oo-->


If you're running that long without stopping, you actually do need to eat while running. I've never run a marathon, the most I've run are 10k races, but I know they make high-calorie, nutrient dense "gels" you eat while running long races. An average guy might burn about 700 calories per hour of running, so for a 24 hour run that's 16,800 calories! You definitely need to replenish some of that.



Thanks Madfranks. I posted this in the Preparedness section and not the Fitness section because I am trying to get my head around using this story as it might relate to traveling to a Bugout safe haven wtshtf. I don't have any long-distance running experience whatsoever. Couple of years ago I was on a health kick and would stroll five miles to the town Mall in 90-minutes then stroll back home. Back then I could casually walk this ten miles a day in average physical condition without any duress. I imagine back then I could maybe walk 20-miles in a day if I had to. So my personal one-day distance limit for a stroll is 20-miles.

http://www.roguerivertrips.info/activities/Photos-Files/first-day-hike.jpg

Maybe Black Blade can chime in here. The notion that we all need a Bugout Bag full of cool equipment to travel to our Bugout safe haven seems suspect to me now. Maybe we don't even need a Bugout Vehicle either. Maybe we only need a canteen and a decent pair of walking shoes to reach our Bugout safe haven wtshtf. It all depends on the actual distance and relative hostility of the area.

Only beyond this 20-miles we then might need extra equipment like a sleeping bag etc. So...what is the practical distance we can stroll to our Bugout safe haven before we actually even need food or a Bugout Bag?

:conf:


Bump back on topic...lol.

Saul Mine
9th June 2010, 03:53 PM
Olive Oatman and her little sister were captured by Apaches in 1851 and they all traveled to northern Arizona, 250 miles in 80 hours. That was with one Apache carrying the little sister. That entire side of Arizona is desert, mostly rocks and low mountains.

Another fellow in the 1960s noted that Apaches were no longer murdering tourists, and he thought it was because they preferred the white man's sneakers instead of their traditional moccasins.

Book
9th June 2010, 04:08 PM
Olive Oatman and her little sister were captured by Apaches in 1851 and they all traveled to northern Arizona, 250 miles in 80 hours. That was with one Apache carrying the little sister. That entire side of Arizona is desert, mostly rocks and low mountains.

Another fellow in the sixties noted that Apaches were no longer murdering tourists, and he thought it was because they preferred the white man's sneakers instead of their traditional moccasins.


Wow. If they did this on foot and no horse this is what I was wanting to talk more about. I remember a story about brothers during the Great Depression asking about work and somebody told them there was work in a town 30-miles away. Somebody else asked them about the train schedule and they said shucks, we can walk it and be there in two days.

zap
9th June 2010, 04:11 PM
People these days don't like to walk they are lazy, you ever seen the people who will drive around and around and around in a parking lot til they get a space closer to the doors? :P

Book
9th June 2010, 04:14 PM
People these days don't like to walk they are lazy, you ever seen the people who will drive around and around and around in a parking lot til they get a space closer to the doors? :P


http://image.tradevv.com/2009/07/20/3061608_477372_450/nike-shoes-hot-sale-more-styles-best-quality-but-low-price-on-www-superb2s-com.jpg

Ironically there for the Nike running shoe sale...LOL.

:D

MNeagle
9th June 2010, 06:53 PM
I really don't see the practicality of having a bugout location within walking distance. Really, what's the point? Wouldn't it be just as vulnerable?? Unless it was totally off-road, tucked into the deep woods. I don't know, just not seeing the benefit of the first scenario there...

hoarder
9th June 2010, 07:08 PM
http://image.tradevv.com/2009/07/20/3061608_477372_450/nike-shoes-hot-sale-more-styles-best-quality-but-low-price-on-www-superb2s-com.jpg

Ironically there for the Nike running shoe sale...LOL.

:D


Some guys would KILL for a pair of sneakers like that!

Book
9th June 2010, 07:12 PM
I really don't see the practicality of having a bugout location within walking distance. Really, what's the point? Wouldn't it be just as vulnerable?? Unless it was totally off-road, tucked into the deep woods. I don't know, just not seeing the benefit of the first scenario there...


http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2008/08b/CarExodusGETTY_450x350.jpg

Excellent question MNeagle. Katrina exposed the lunacy of expecting the roads out of a city being passable. Walking on trails still might make sense to me wtshtf.

:)

willie pete
9th June 2010, 08:06 PM
Olive Oatman and her little sister were captured by Apaches in 1851 and they all traveled to northern Arizona, 250 miles in 80 hours. That was with one Apache carrying the little sister. That entire side of Arizona is desert, mostly rocks and low mountains.

Another fellow in the 1960s noted that Apaches were no longer murdering tourists, and he thought it was because they preferred the white man's sneakers instead of their traditional moccasins.


I don't know, that seems like a long way in just 3 1/3 days, breaks down to 3.1 miles an hour, of course they'd have to sleep and that'd make it even more difficult to achieve

SLV^GLD
9th June 2010, 08:32 PM
Maybe we only need a canteen and a decent pair of walking shoes to reach our Bugout safe haven wtshtf. It all depends on the actual distance and relative hostility of the area.

Only beyond this 20-miles we then might need extra equipment like...
If it is SHTF and the roads are impassable and you are walking to a remote location then I suggest you make some room on your person for a big effing gun and some spare magazines.

Book
9th June 2010, 08:40 PM
If it is SHTF and the roads are impassable and you are walking to a remote location then I suggest you make some room on your person for a big effing gun and some spare magazines.


I agree. And a large water bottle. If we start adding "just" a spare pair of socks and a snack and...oh yeah...maybe a flashlight...pretty soon we are hauling a 40-pound backpack...lol.

:)

willie pete
9th June 2010, 09:05 PM
^^^ Yea, Water would be the primary Need, maybe in a http://www.amazon.com/Venturer-2-5-Liter-Water-Backpack/dp/B0009GF50K

Of course you could always carry Freeze-Dried water, it's a LOT lighter

Book
9th June 2010, 09:21 PM
^^^ Yea, Water would be the primary Need, maybe in a http://www.amazon.com/Venturer-2-5-Liter-Water-Backpack/dp/B0009GF50K


I'm thinking Glock and water bottle both in belt holsters. Trying to avoid the whole backpack thingie while walking. Otherwise, we are talking a real Bugout Bag like Black Blade posted about.

:)

willie pete
9th June 2010, 10:11 PM
^^^ Yea, Water would be the primary Need, maybe in a http://www.amazon.com/Venturer-2-5-Liter-Water-Backpack/dp/B0009GF50K


I'm thinking Glock and water bottle both in belt holsters. Trying to avoid the whole backpack thingie while walking. Otherwise, we are talking a real Bugout Bag like Black Blade posted about.

:)


Yea, but going any distance AND depending on the time of the year, a bottle or two of water aint gonna cut it, I was thinking it may be easier to carry water in a backpack too with the weight distributed

Book
9th June 2010, 10:31 PM
I really don't see the practicality of having a bugout location within walking distance. Really, what's the point? Wouldn't it be just as vulnerable?? Unless it was totally off-road, tucked into the deep woods. I don't know, just not seeing the benefit of the first scenario there...


http://www.lightrailnow.org/images/nyc-peds-bklyn-bridge-power-blackout-aug2003_r-fremson.jpg

NYC BLACKOUT 2003 -EVERYBODY WALKING HOME

http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/2400369.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921F7C3FC3F69D929FD791F80D801C5F0CB B42A2DE3244DB77F12542A87AC1DA400E30A760B0D811297

After pondering this some more I think that my premise should be changed to traveling by foot between work and home wtshtf. Twenty miles seems like a reasonable one-day walk for the average fit person and this distance also appears to be a common commute. At three miles per hour the average fit person can walk twenty miles in around seven hours without the need for more than some water and maybe a gun...lol.

:D

willie pete
9th June 2010, 10:39 PM
I really don't see the practicality of having a bugout location within walking distance. Really, what's the point? Wouldn't it be just as vulnerable?? Unless it was totally off-road, tucked into the deep woods. I don't know, just not seeing the benefit of the first scenario there...


http://www.lightrailnow.org/images/nyc-peds-bklyn-bridge-power-blackout-aug2003_r-fremson.jpg

NYC BLACKOUT 2003 -EVERYBODY WALKING HOME

http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/2400369.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921F7C3FC3F69D929FD791F80D801C5F0CB B42A2DE3244DB77F12542A87AC1DA400E30A760B0D811297

After pondering this some more I think that my premise should be changed to traveling by foot between work and home wtshtf. Twenty miles seems like a reasonable one-day walk for the average fit person and this distance also appears to be a common commute. At three miles per hour the average fit person can walk twenty miles in around seven hours without the need for more than some water and maybe a gun...lol.

:D



Twenty miles in one day is possible, to and from work, BUT 5 days a week? I'm not sure many could keep up that pace

Book
9th June 2010, 10:51 PM
BUT 5 days a week?



:oo-->

Saul Mine
10th June 2010, 01:03 AM
The pioneers considered 24 miles to be a normal day's travel, but with wagons they only expected 12. When I was a kid the Boy Scout manual said 4 mph was a standard hiking speed called "Scout's Pace". Traveling 250 miles at 4 mph leaves 17.5 hours for sleeping, or about 6 hours per night.

madfranks
10th June 2010, 06:19 AM
After pondering this some more I think that my premise should be changed to traveling by foot between work and home wtshtf. Twenty miles seems like a reasonable one-day walk for the average fit person and this distance also appears to be a common commute. At three miles per hour the average fit person can walk twenty miles in around seven hours without the need for more than some water and maybe a gun...lol.

:D


I keep a three day emergency kit in a backpack (http://beprepared.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_K7%20B350_A_name_E_3-Day%20Lite%20Emergency%20Kit) at my office just in case anything happens and I have to walk home. I always have my carry gun (a ruger LCP) with me, and the stuff in that bag might come in handy depending on the severity of the situation.

DMac
10th June 2010, 06:51 AM
After pondering this some more I think that my premise should be changed to traveling by foot between work and home wtshtf. Twenty miles seems like a reasonable one-day walk for the average fit person and this distance also appears to be a common commute. At three miles per hour the average fit person can walk twenty miles in around seven hours without the need for more than some water and maybe a gun...lol.

:D


I keep a three day emergency kit in a backpack (http://beprepared.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_K7%20B350_A_name_E_3-Day%20Lite%20Emergency%20Kit) at my office just in case anything happens and I have to walk home. I always have my carry gun (a ruger LCP) with me, and the stuff in that bag might come in handy depending on the severity of the situation.


Madfranks,

Thanks for bringing this point up. If TSHTF and I am at work, I have a long 20 mile walk home ahead of me. My bag that I carry everyday has a few supplies; knife, N95 Mask, some random junk. I need (and will) put together a little kit to keep in my desk at work should something require me to hoof it home.

Book,

Regarding the Katrina gridlock photo, I'll wager one of these http://www.cannondale.com/ might be better suited than one pair of these http://www.nike.com.

Book
10th June 2010, 08:31 AM
After pondering this some more I think that my premise should be changed to traveling by foot between work and home wtshtf. Twenty miles seems like a reasonable one-day walk for the average fit person and this distance also appears to be a common commute. At three miles per hour the average fit person can walk twenty miles in around seven hours without the need for more than some water and maybe a gun...lol.

:D


I keep a three day emergency kit in a backpack (http://beprepared.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_K7%20B350_A_name_E_3-Day%20Lite%20Emergency%20Kit) at my office just in case anything happens and I have to walk home. I always have my carry gun (a ruger LCP) with me, and the stuff in that bag might come in handy depending on the severity of the situation.


Madfranks,

Thanks for bringing this point up. If TSHTF and I am at work, I have a long 20 mile walk home ahead of me. My bag that I carry everyday has a few supplies; knife, N95 Mask, some random junk. I need (and will) put together a little kit to keep in my desk at work should something require me to hoof it home.

Book,

Regarding the Katrina gridlock photo, I'll wager one of these http://www.cannondale.com/ might be better suited than one pair of these http://www.nike.com.




Thanks guys. Sorry that it took me so long in this thread to (finally) arrive at the "walk-from-work-to-home" scenario. MNeagle woke me up and helped me better focus on this. If the guy in the OP can run 100 miles we should be able to walk 20 miles with a minimalist amount of equipment that he actually carry daily.

:)

http://www.photohike.com/images/hiker.gif

DMac
10th June 2010, 08:36 AM
Perhaps we need a thread on the merits of keeping a fresh pair of hiking boots at the office? :)

SLV^GLD
10th June 2010, 10:01 AM
Perhaps we need a thread on the merits of keeping a fresh pair of hiking boots at the office? :)
Just do like I do and work in a profession that pretty much requires you to already be equipped for SHTF as part of your normal everyday activities. It's a joke but not entirely. As part of my everyday activity I am wearing hard toed but comfortable boots, I have a variety of inclement weather jackets and rainwear, i have basic tools such as knives and drivers, I have serious equipment that I could literally cutoff navigation into my area or bulldoze my way out if really needed. I also have a variety of communications equipment and literally thousands of gallons of diesel fuel and water. The more I think about it the more I think your average commercial construction site is a TSHTF powerhouse if the people themselves were unified.

madfranks
10th June 2010, 10:10 AM
It may sound silly, but I decided to keep an emergency backpack at work after reading the book One Second After, which is the one about the EMP attack crippling America's power grid and frying all electronics. I realized that while all my preps may be at my home, what if I'm somewhere else when it hits? I need to be able to get home from wherever I may be if an event like that occurs, and the only way to travel after an EMP would be by foot. I actually thought it would be better to keep it in the trunk of my car in case I'm out for any other reason when it hits, but an emergency kit wouldn't store as long in a trunk of a car rather than a cool dry indoor location. Right now I have a project that requires me to drive to a city about 200 miles away about once a month, and a thought that chills me is if I'm working 200 miles away and an EMP hits, my wife, kids, home and preps would be 200 miles away and I'd have to find a way back. That little backpack I linked to above might actually be a life saver if I had to traverse 200 miles to get home after a SHTF event. Maybe I should keep one in the car too...

Book
10th June 2010, 10:21 AM
Perhaps we need a thread on the merits of keeping a fresh pair of hiking boots at the office? :)


You just made this excellent point in this thread.

:)

UFM
10th June 2010, 10:26 AM
That is over 14 minute miles i can walk that.

skid
11th June 2010, 11:13 PM
Perhaps we need a thread on the merits of keeping a fresh pair of hiking boots at the office? :)


You just made this excellent point in this thread.

:)


Just wear some real men shoes, not those pointy toed fag shoes that the metro-sexuals wear to the office. In my low heel rubber soled dress shoes I could walk 20 miles in any terrain easily.

Book
12th June 2010, 07:05 AM
Just wear some real men shoes, not those pointy toed fag shoes that the metro-sexuals wear to the office. In my low heel rubber soled dress shoes I could walk 20 miles in any terrain easily.



http://upload.ecvv.com/upload/Info/200801/2007112316264233486_Jose_Ricco_mens_dress_shoes.jp g

I re-thought this yesterday and totally agree. No man should be wearing shoes that can't comfortably carry him 20 miles...lol.

We return to needing only a water bottle to walk 20 miles from work to home.

Another thing to consider is avoid being a Gear Queer (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gear%20queer) thinking that we actually need any cool equipment to walk from work to home. If the guy in the OP can run 102 miles in 24-hours barefoot our worries about special footwear to stroll 20-miles are gay. Ha Ha.

:D

http://www.rei.com/category/4500008/q/Running+Clothes <--- Ha Ha - Gear Queer Website

willie pete
12th June 2010, 09:37 AM
After pondering this some more I think that my premise should be changed to traveling by foot between work and home wtshtf. Twenty miles seems like a reasonable one-day walk for the average fit person and this distance also appears to be a common commute. At three miles per hour the average fit person can walk twenty miles in around seven hours without the need for more than some water and maybe a gun...lol.

:D


I keep a three day emergency kit in a backpack (http://beprepared.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_K7%20B350_A_name_E_3-Day%20Lite%20Emergency%20Kit) at my office just in case anything happens and I have to walk home. I always have my carry gun (a ruger LCP) with me, and the stuff in that bag might come in handy depending on the severity of the situation.


Madfranks,

Thanks for bringing this point up. If TSHTF and I am at work, I have a long 20 mile walk home ahead of me. My bag that I carry everyday has a few supplies; knife, N95 Mask, some random junk. I need (and will) put together a little kit to keep in my desk at work should something require me to hoof it home.

Book,

Regarding the Katrina gridlock photo, I'll wager one of these http://www.cannondale.com/ might be better suited than one pair of these http://www.nike.com.




All great ideas, what about a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bnb7ETdPR20 or if you want to take a foot cab, an extra pair of hiking boots at the office is a good idea, better not make them brand new though, broken in would be better, it'll save the blisters on your feet