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MNeagle
10th June 2010, 09:48 AM
BP to start burning captured Gulf oil at sea

NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- BP PLC plans to boost its ability to directly capture oil leaking from a well in the Gulf of Mexico by early next week.

Kent Wells, BP's senior vice president of exploration and production, said Thursday that a semi-submersible drilling rig should be set up early next week to capture and burn about 420,000 gallons of oil daily.

Once on board, the oil and gas collected from the well will be sent down a boom and burned at sea. Wells says testing will begin this weekend.

A drill ship already at the scene can process a maximum of 756,000 gallons of oil daily that's sucked up through a containment cap sitting on the well head.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/BP-to-start-burning-captured-apf-3024035300.html?x=0

Book
10th June 2010, 09:53 AM
Once on board, the oil and gas collected from the well will be sent down a boom and burned at sea. Wells says testing will begin this weekend.



Originally they promised to SEPARATE the oil from the water all nice and conservationist like.

:o

tekrunner
10th June 2010, 09:56 AM
It's been estimated that evacuations could coincide with burn offs. Could this be a hint of things to come?

Libertytree
10th June 2010, 10:01 AM
There are stories floating around the net of a huge evac, it's hard to say if there's any validity to those reports but I guess a bunch of us will find out pretty soon.

Quantum
10th June 2010, 10:13 AM
And the Obamanation is going to allow this?

Where is Greenpeace?

::)

DMac
10th June 2010, 10:14 AM
And the Obamanation is going to allow this?

Where is Greenpeace?

::)


Th Obamination, who is on BP's payroll to the tune thus far of $77,000? Pfft!!!! ;D

I am me, I am free
10th June 2010, 01:25 PM
Advance your Cap and Trade token on the board two spaces. lol

JohnQPublic
10th June 2010, 01:35 PM
Advance your Cap and Trade token on the board two spaces. lol


I love how this is getting tied to theoretical golobal warming. It's sort of like invading Iraq after 9/11.

If anything, Britain will have to "trade" because they should take the "credit" for all the C02 created burning the oil!

I am me, I am free
10th June 2010, 01:39 PM
Advance your Cap and Trade token on the board two spaces. lol


I love how this is getting tied to theoretical golobal warming. It's sort of like invading Iraq after 9/11.

If anything, Britain will have to "trade" because they should take the "credit" for all the C02 created burning the oil!


They'll be in the clear - there's that handy ex post facto clause in the Constitution, plus that one instance will likely get grandfathered since it was the convenient driving force.

Son-of-Liberty
10th June 2010, 01:40 PM
What a brilliant idea!!

So why aren't they just going to salvage as much oil as they can?? The ship can only process so much oil? We can either bring another ship over to help out or burn the oil. hmmm choices, choices.

I haven't really been following this debacle and I was on the fence as to whether this was a FF op or just a fluke accident but if they start to burn that much oil then you know that this has all been planned in advance.

I can't believe that the general population can't see through this. It isn't that complicated. (well I can but I am still flabbergasted)

Going to be quite a polution cloud caused by burning that much pure oil.

Son-of-Liberty
10th June 2010, 01:43 PM
I suppose the oil washing up on shore isn't quite having the effect they hoped so they need to up the ante a little.

Heimdhal
10th June 2010, 01:50 PM
Ive said before, but I suppose it bears repeating. If the burn gets "out of control" or is simply more intense than they anticipate you can kiss Florida good bye. I dont mean to always be so Florida-centric on this topic, but I live in Florida, so I am obviously more concerned with the impact we will suffer. I also have my entire wifes family on the west coast of Florida.

Florida is less than 300-ish miles across. A strong wind could easily carry toxic burning oil fumes across the entirtey of the state. Florida is one of the most populated states in the country, and in the south specificaly next to Texas of course.

Ever see 15 million people try to leave a state that only has 4 major highways out of it......yeah, I dont particularly want to see it either.

If we HAVE to leave (as in if the toxins become a problem) I am seriously considering just putting everything on a sail boat and sailing up the coast, rather than trying to drive out of here. Im more comfortable on the water anyways and the ocean is a big place. Im sure the coast guard will be crawling the seas like ants though.

Son-of-Liberty
10th June 2010, 01:59 PM
If I was living in Florida I would be watching out for any hint of toxic fumes from the fire reaching inland. Bugging early and avoid the rush once everyone else figures out they needed to leave 2 days ago.

Good luck bro.

Book
10th June 2010, 02:06 PM
http://harkiamsuperman.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/chemtrails20070803_1024.jpg

Maybe they can pump it into tanker planes and spray it more inland. Then light a match.

:o

Heimdhal
10th June 2010, 04:10 PM
If I was living in Florida I would be watching out for any hint of toxic fumes from the fire reaching inland. Bugging early and avoid the rush once everyone else figures out they needed to leave 2 days ago.

Good luck bro.


First reports I hear of it, were leaving. I dont know where we're going, and whos coming with us, but I sure as shit aint gonna let my 2 1/2 year old and my wife stay around for it.

For a while now I've worried about jsut this, the oil slick going up in flames and causing toxic fall-out over the state. While I admit it wasnt and may still not be the most likley of scenarios, it was one I was still focused on, because no matter what, it always remained quite possible.

I know they were doing small controlled burns in the beginning, so I dont know the protocol on burning oil, but with their handling of things so far, my faith in their abilities are close to non existent.

I am me, I am free
10th June 2010, 04:13 PM
If I was living in Florida I would be watching out for any hint of toxic fumes from the fire reaching inland. Bugging early and avoid the rush once everyone else figures out they needed to leave 2 days ago.

Good luck bro.


First reports I hear of it, were leaving. I dont know where we're going, and whos coming with us, but I sure as sh*t aint gonna let my 2 1/2 year old and my wife stay around for it.

For a while now I've worried about jsut this, the oil slick going up in flames and causing toxic fall-out over the state. While I admit it wasnt and may still not be the most likley of scenarios, it was one I was still focused on, because no matter what, it always remained quite possible.

I know they were doing small controlled burns in the beginning, so I dont know the protocol on burning oil, but with their handling of things so far, my faith in their abilities are close to non existent.


The ONLY thing you can count on for certain is that the corporate state doesn't give a diddlely-squat about you and yours. Base all your decisions upon that certainty.

Heimdhal
10th June 2010, 04:17 PM
If I was living in Florida I would be watching out for any hint of toxic fumes from the fire reaching inland. Bugging early and avoid the rush once everyone else figures out they needed to leave 2 days ago.

Good luck bro.


First reports I hear of it, were leaving. I dont know where we're going, and whos coming with us, but I sure as sh*t aint gonna let my 2 1/2 year old and my wife stay around for it.

For a while now I've worried about jsut this, the oil slick going up in flames and causing toxic fall-out over the state. While I admit it wasnt and may still not be the most likley of scenarios, it was one I was still focused on, because no matter what, it always remained quite possible.

I know they were doing small controlled burns in the beginning, so I dont know the protocol on burning oil, but with their handling of things so far, my faith in their abilities are close to non existent.


The ONLY thing you can count on for certain is that the corporate state doesn't give a diddlely-squat about you and yours. Base all your decisions upon that certainty.


You're 100% right. Ive never trusted a one of em and Im not going to start now. They will do what their bottom line tells them, not what we tell them and not a single major player will feel any reprocusions from this. They'll sail off into an oil free sunset with their billions of dollars and move on, letting some middle manegment types go to prison (if that even happens) and a few million people to be permentaly affected by their (in)actions.

Ya'll in texas better hope those winds dont shift if this thing goes thermal.

Large Sarge
10th June 2010, 04:23 PM
the microbe thing seems like the only real solution I have seen

cheap (1/10 the cost of dispersants)
easy to deploy ( a garden hose)
effective "microbes eat and multiply in the presence of oil), a chain reaction would start, a tidal wave of oil eating microbes would develop.
non-toxic - the byproducts of the microbes eating oil actually become part of the food chain.

it would stand to reason that the microbes would dramatically improve the air quality as well,

po14015
10th June 2010, 05:16 PM
First reports I hear of it, were leaving. I dont know where we're going, and whos coming with us, but I sure as sh*t aint gonna let my 2 1/2 year old and my wife stay around for it.


Tampa Bay has had the smell at least 4 times already:

April 29
May 18
May 29
June 8

It depends on the wind. Some people say they smell it a little more than others. It is the smell of kerosene or burning crayons.

Here is what will happen: nausea, vomiting, headaches, and difficulty breathing.

Quantum
10th June 2010, 05:46 PM
the microbe thing seems like the only real solution I have seen

cheap (1/10 the cost of dispersants)
easy to deploy ( a garden hose)
effective "microbes eat and multiply in the presence of oil), a chain reaction would start, a tidal wave of oil eating microbes would develop.
non-toxic - the byproducts of the microbes eating oil actually become part of the food chain.

it would stand to reason that the microbes would dramatically improve the air quality as well,



And when they move about and eat all the petroleum on the planet? Or mutate and start eating other things?

Ponce
10th June 2010, 05:52 PM
And how about if the "fumes" blows inland and there is a BIGGGGGG fire, like the big fire of London where 3/4 of the city was burned down? or the Chicago fire thanks to a cow?.........by they way that was a lie, it was not the cows fault.

JohnQPublic
10th June 2010, 06:49 PM
the microbe thing seems like the only real solution I have seen

cheap (1/10 the cost of dispersants)
easy to deploy ( a garden hose)
effective "microbes eat and multiply in the presence of oil), a chain reaction would start, a tidal wave of oil eating microbes would develop.
non-toxic - the byproducts of the microbes eating oil actually become part of the food chain.

it would stand to reason that the microbes would dramatically improve the air quality as well,



I think microbes will naturally consume the oil eventually anyway. The key is to keep it in the water long enough (i.e., keep it off the shore). What I heard on the radio is that the problem is that the microbes deplete the oxygen in the water, killing the rest of the sea life.

Defender
10th June 2010, 08:14 PM
Ive said before, but I suppose it bears repeating. If the burn gets "out of control" or is simply more intense than they anticipate you can kiss Florida good bye. I dont mean to always be so Florida-centric on this topic, but I live in Florida, so I am obviously more concerned with the impact we will suffer. I also have my entire wifes family on the west coast of Florida.

Florida is less than 300-ish miles across. A strong wind could easily carry toxic burning oil fumes across the entirtey of the state. Florida is one of the most populated states in the country, and in the south specificaly next to Texas of course.

Ever see 15 million people try to leave a state that only has 4 major highways out of it......yeah, I dont particularly want to see it either.

If we HAVE to leave (as in if the toxins become a problem) I am seriously considering just putting everything on a sail boat and sailing up the coast, rather than trying to drive out of here. Im more comfortable on the water anyways and the ocean is a big place. Im sure the coast guard will be crawling the seas like ants though.
Which 4 highways are those? 95% of the population will have to travel through the funnel via 95 or 75 North of Daytona. You can throw in US-1 if you want but it won't make a difference. We're talking what, 12-14 lanes of traffic TOTAL, if you counter-flow? (Cripes! Some of the California freeways are bigger than this!)And you can't even count medians and such because of all the bridges that would create mega-merge nightmares.

Maybe I should change my avatar to "BP did what?" Nah, it's still the O.

SLV^GLD
10th June 2010, 08:18 PM
I think microbes will naturally consume the oil eventually anyway. The key is to keep it in the water long enough (i.e., keep it off the shore). What I heard on the radio is that the problem is that the microbes deplete the oxygen in the water, killing the rest of the sea life.
This is correct. The microbes are naturally occurring although bioengineering has basically put them on steroids. The oil depletes the oxygen, too. The oil cannot eat the microbes back like many other things can and do.

Libertytree
10th June 2010, 08:19 PM
Ive said before, but I suppose it bears repeating. If the burn gets "out of control" or is simply more intense than they anticipate you can kiss Florida good bye. I dont mean to always be so Florida-centric on this topic, but I live in Florida, so I am obviously more concerned with the impact we will suffer. I also have my entire wifes family on the west coast of Florida.

Florida is less than 300-ish miles across. A strong wind could easily carry toxic burning oil fumes across the entirtey of the state. Florida is one of the most populated states in the country, and in the south specificaly next to Texas of course.

Ever see 15 million people try to leave a state that only has 4 major highways out of it......yeah, I dont particularly want to see it either.

If we HAVE to leave (as in if the toxins become a problem) I am seriously considering just putting everything on a sail boat and sailing up the coast, rather than trying to drive out of here. Im more comfortable on the water anyways and the ocean is a big place. Im sure the coast guard will be crawling the seas like ants though.
Which 4 highways are those? 95% of the population will have to travel through the funnel via 95 or 75 North of Daytona. You can throw in US-1 if you want but it won't make a difference. We're talking what, 12-14 lanes of traffic TOTAL, if you counter-flow? And you can't even count medians and such because of all the bridges that would create mega-merge nightmares.


Without looking at a map, I know 27 runs from down here in south Florida all the way up to Ohio I believe.

Defender
10th June 2010, 08:36 PM
Heimdhal said major hwys but 27 is a decent roadway. They'll have to lock the traffic lights green where it passes through towns. So add 4 more lanes. Yippie!

Anyway you slice it, any one south of Orlando when the rush comes is not leaving the State alive.

Heimdhal
10th June 2010, 08:48 PM
Heimdhal said major hwys but 27 is a decent roadway. They'll have to lock the traffic lights green where it passes through towns. So add 4 more lanes. Yippie!

Anyway you slice it, any one south of Orlando when the rush comes is not leaving the State alive.


I was being quite generous with my statement, including US 1 and 27 ( i couldnt remember its name at the, but yall pegged it as 27). Of course 75 and 95 are the only real major highways, which makes it even worse.

And you're right, with the bridges, you could use medians or break-down lanes or you'd suffer even worse bottlenecks in merge lanes of doom. Its bad stuff anyway you look at it.

Mouse
11th June 2010, 01:09 AM
I am in Missouri and we are getting weird crap in the rain. I noticed this on my car. There's not been a lot of windy here lately and there is rarely any fallout here. My car was just whistle clean to a car show last weekend and it rained, and now there is sappy, brown water spots that smear. I didn't think anything of it, then my wife was visiting family out of state and hit a rainstorm on the way home. Her car had the same stuff. Call me crazy. It's like tree sap but we don't have tree's that sap, and this was in water spots from rain. No oily smell that we could pick up. The gulf blows that moisture right on up here and that's where we get most of our rain. It's premature, but I think that stuff is going airborne.

Spectrism
11th June 2010, 05:36 AM
Those Moe-rons did not have another tanker on site to pick up more oil???!!! Think about their intent if they did not even have a second tanker standing by to collect oil. They considered it acceptable to keep spraying dispersant at the oil plume as it gushed out of the well.

Look at their "skimming" and booming efforts. Where are the collection takers for those? They are completely worthless without collection tankers.

Son-of-Liberty
11th June 2010, 09:31 AM
Yeah, I am no expert at this stuff but from what I can tell it is being managed to make things worse or at least not make it better. Like New Orleans after Katrina.

A little common sense would tell you to have storage for all this oil on stand by.

Also why hasn't the US Navy or other corporations that have some experience with things like this taken over by now as clearly BP isn't getting the job done and every day the environmental disaster gets worse.

Spectrism
11th June 2010, 11:07 AM
I just heard the cheerful report about how BP will be capturing 40-50,000 BPD. So, if they are catching 15,000 BPD- how many are going into the sea?

Then they said the tanker ship won't be on site til mid July!!!!!

Can you imagine that! They planned to not take oil out. Criminal!