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EE_
11th June 2010, 06:56 PM
Stick a fork in it!

The Death Of Las Vegas
There are quite a few U.S. cities that are complete and utter economic disaster zones in 2010 (Detroit for example), but there is something about the demise of Las Vegas that is absolutely stunning. In recent decades, Las Vegas has become a symbol for the over-the-top affluence and decadence of America. But now it is a microcosm of the economic nightmare that has gripped the entire nation. When the subprime mortgage crisis stuck, no major U.S. city was more devastated than Las Vegas. When the recession went from bad to worse, Americans decided that they really didn't need to gamble so much and casino revenues plummeted. Suddenly unemployment started to increase dramatically in Vegas and even today it continues to soar. Like so many other cities that are highly dependent on tourism and entertainment, Las Vegas has gone from boom to bust. Local officials are hoping that the worst will soon be over, but the truth is that the worst is yet to come. As the U.S. economy continues to unravel, average Americans will be spending what little money they do have to put a roof over their heads and to feed their families. The truth is that the glory days of Las Vegas are over and they are not coming back.

Already, the number of unemployed in Las Vegas is reaching unprecedented levels. Unemployment rates for the state of Nevada and for the city of Las Vegas both set new records during the month of April. In Las Vegas the unemployment rate in April was 14.2%. For the entire state the unemployment rate was 13.7%.

Of course those are just the "official" numbers. We all know that the "real" unemployment numbers are much higher.

For example, the "official" unemployment figure is about 14 percent in the state of Michigan right now. But if you actually believe that 86 percent of able-bodied workers in the state of Michigan are employed, then perhaps you would be interested in an offer to purchase the Golden Gate Bridge as well.

Elliott Parker, an economist at the University of Nevada, Reno says that the record-setting unemployment numbers in Nevada are just part of a larger trend....

"Nevada has been losing jobs since March 2008, and we are continuing to do so."

But where the state of Nevada and the city of Las Vegas have really been hammered is in the housing industry.

It is estimated that a whopping 65 percent of all homes in the state of Nevada are underwater.

Let that sink in for a bit.

65 percent of all home owners with a mortgage in the state of Nevada owe more than their homes are worth.

Talk about an implosion.

Nationally, the number of homes that are "underwater" is about 24 percent. That is an all-time record for the entire nation, but it doesn't come anywhere close to the nightmare that is unfolding in Nevada and in Las Vegas.

And the number of foreclosures taking place in Nevada is absolutely breathtaking.

According to RealtyTrac, Nevada is still ranked number one for foreclosure filings. In fact, one out of every 79 Nevada homes received a foreclosure filing in the month of May alone.

Nevada’s foreclosure rate is now five times the national average.

By just about any measure, the economy of Nevada is a complete and total disaster.

A reader recently sent an email describing the economic horror that is unfolding in Las Vegas. No matter what you may think about the city, the truth is that it is sad to see any great U.S. city fall to pieces like this....

"Las Vegas is a goner. The homeless population is out of control. The real estate is far worse than I have seen in the media (no surprise there). The towers of condos are ninety five percent vacant with zero activity. The streets and parks are in decline. Local governments are busy making cuts and fighting unions. When I ride the streets they are deserted, a big change from 2006. The major casino companies have all but moved the casinos out of Nevada. Rooms and restaurants have been closing for years, even while they finished the new projects. The entire town is a skeleton staff providing substandard service and decaying properties. I still work for one of the majors which is in bankruptcy. When the next wave hits there is nowhere to cut. It will be a game of dominoes with the Wynn properties the only ones left standing. I see the ninety nine cent breakfast making a comeback. The bullet train a day late and a few billion dollars short."

So is there any hope for Las Vegas?

Well, if the U.S. economy gets back up off of the operating table and roars back to life there is little doubt that millions of Americans would once again soon be flying there to gamble away their discretionary income.

But the truth is that any "revival" that is going to happen in Vegas is going to be very short-lived.

The U.S. economy as a whole is caught in a death spiral, and we are about to see a repeat of the housing crash that devastated Las Vegas so badly the first time around.

No, there really isn't any way that the death of Las Vegas can be avoided. Just like the U.S. economy as a whole, it is inevitably doomed. The numbers don't lie.

The grand total of all government, corporate and consumer debt in the United States is now equal to 360 percent of GDP. That is a far greater level than the U.S. ever approached during the Great Depression.

The entire U.S. economy is a house of cards built on a gigantic pile of debt and paper money, and it is only a matter of time until it all comes crashing down.

But of course that isn't stopping the U.S. government from spending even more money and getting us all into even more debt.

According to a recent Treasury Department report to Congress, the U.S. national debt will top $13.6 trillion this year and climb to an estimated $19.6 trillion by 2015.

But as many of you who have experienced this on a personal level know, getting into continually increasing amounts of debt never ends well.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-death-of-las-vegas

Horn
11th June 2010, 07:21 PM
Returning for my yearly visit next week, I'll let you know how it looks on the ground there.

zap
11th June 2010, 07:25 PM
Yes please report back, we used to go every year sometimes more then that to see the MMA fights, some guy tried to talk us into buying a condo there on the strip, hahha no thankyou.

Horn
11th June 2010, 08:14 PM
Yes please report back, we used to go every year sometimes more then that to see the MMA fights, some guy tried to talk us into buying a condo there on the strip, hahha no thankyou.


Well, it could came in 1st in a race to the bottom...

Maybe it will be the new exodus from California, again?

Ponce
11th June 2010, 08:37 PM
I knew that Las Vegas was gone when.........on ABC nightly news, a 24 years old Mexican that didn't know any English and who was a real state agent was pulling over $60,000 a month..........and this is the good part........he was the owner of 4 homes and getting ready to buy number 5...about five years ago.

I believe that is was JP Morgan that in the great depression heard a shoe shine boy talk about all his stocks and it was when JP knew that it was time go get the hell out of the market........

And for me? when we gave back the Panama Canal Zone and the Chinese took over.

willie pete
11th June 2010, 08:58 PM
Returning for my yearly visit next week, I'll let you know how it looks on the ground there.


Don't know where you're stayin' but Rio had a great buffet...just sayin' :D

Quantum
11th June 2010, 09:15 PM
Who needs Randall Flagg?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrD6Qt7Bqvw

Apparition
12th June 2010, 12:46 AM
Las Vegas is a city built on sleezy entertainment, a dearth of intellectualism, and lacklusterness.

It was destined to fail.

Shorty Harris
12th June 2010, 05:05 AM
Funny you should post this. We are contemplating a move back to Nevada. Kinda in a wait N see mode right now. I have (tentative) job offer in Vegas now. But after living there (Vegas) most of my adult life, the simple thought of having to live in that cesspool again quite frankly fries my brain.

I'm really wanting to explore the possibility of a move to northern, rural Nevada..been there countless times, never lived there.

Ragnarok
12th June 2010, 06:43 AM
Las Vegas is a huge city in the middle of nowhere that depends on food, water, energy and merchandise delivered to it almost entirely over long distances by networks and systems subject to failure in the current US economic debacle.

I would not choose to live there, especially now.

2c, R.

Neuro
12th June 2010, 07:07 AM
I knew that Las Vegas was gone when.........on ABC nightly news, a 24 years old Mexican that didn't know any English and who was a real state agent was pulling over $60,000 a month..........and this is the good part........he was the owner of 4 homes and getting ready to buy number 5...about five years ago.

I believe that is was JP Morgan that in the great depression heard a shoe shine boy talk about all his stocks and it was when JP knew that it was time go get the hell out of the market........

And for me? when we gave back the Panama Canal Zone and the Chinese took over.
JP Morgan knew when the market would crash, because he and his bankster buddies crashed it themselves, that story was invented so that the banksters looked less guilty, though no doubt they manipulated the masses to get into the market in the blow out phase, with easy credit and news paper articles on how much money was to be made in stocks. They off-loaded their stocks on these people. And they did the same thing this time. Kramer was screaming buy Bear Sterns a couple of days before the collapse. One thing is certain he didn't get any poorer for doing so.

Book
12th June 2010, 08:12 AM
Las Vegas is a huge city in the middle of nowhere that depends on food, water, energy and merchandise delivered to it almost entirely over long distances by networks and systems subject to failure in the current US economic debacle.


http://media.lvrj.com/images/3968590.jpg



LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL - SOUTHERN NEVADA WATER AUTHORITY RULING

For the moment at least, the Southern Nevada Water Authority has lost the water it hoped to pump to Las Vegas in the first phase of its proposed pipeline across eastern Nevada.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/judge-kills-water-ruling-66826217.html


Las Vegus is gonna just dry up and blow away...lol.

:D

gunDriller
12th June 2010, 08:45 AM
well, Nevada still has ...

* Area 51 - plenty of defense jobs - if you're qualified.

* the Barrick gold mine.

* Mustang Ranch.

+ Las Vegas.

zap
12th June 2010, 08:51 AM
Las Vegas is a huge city in the middle of nowhere that depends on food, water, energy and merchandise delivered to it almost entirely over long distances by networks and systems subject to failure in the current US economic debacle.

I would not choose to live there, especially now.

2c, R.


Me either, don't know why anyone would live in the middle of the desert!

Although I have an aunt and cousins who do!

Ponce
12th June 2010, 08:54 AM
I don't know if you guys know this but even with hoover dam right there Las Vegas only gets 12% of their energy from Hoover Dam......and the rest?......there is energy producing center about 10 miles from Vegas that burn coal to make energy, there is only one rail road tracks where the train comes in unloads and then goes back the same way........at hand they only have coal for three days.

First post of the day.............good morning to one and all.

Saul Mine
12th June 2010, 10:04 AM
I went there once. I don't feel any need to go again.

Horn
12th June 2010, 12:51 PM
Las Vegas is a huge city in the middle of nowhere that depends on food, water, energy and merchandise delivered to it almost entirely over long distances by networks and systems subject to failure in the current US economic debacle.

I would not choose to live there, especially now.


There was a time when the casinos made the water flow uphill, along with everything else.

Did you know the trucking export costs from Las Vegas are cheaper than anywhere in the U.S., as most trucks charge a overcharge for delivering knowing that they'll be leaving empty...

Sometimes a niche company from California can profit pretty well from this. If the market there bottoms faster in L.V. you could see a rebound there before Cali.

Also if Arizona turns into a flame raging alien war.

Horn
16th June 2010, 01:34 PM
Well I landed yesterday, still looking for signs of intelligent life.

It appears they are attempting to setup a modernized space station city here with the latest in unmannned technology everywhere, will cover that later in a future stardate log.

As I said previously, I'm still searching for signs of face to face human dialog... :-\

keehah
16th June 2010, 05:24 PM
I've never made it past the airport. But the airport bar scene was better than any other I've been to in NA. ;D

I think this is the Starbucks Mermaid leaving Las Vegas, looks like her boarded up store in the background. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyt2gK8nDp8

Korbin Dallas
16th June 2010, 05:32 PM
I was in Vegas in Feb., it was like a ghost town, even with NASCAR in town. A friend of mine lives there, he says it's the worst he has ever seen it.

Saul Mine
16th June 2010, 08:30 PM
I passed through in summer 1989. They were repaving The Strip while business was slow. They had out of work dancers holding the "SLOW" signs.

k-os
16th June 2010, 08:35 PM
Well I landed yesterday, still looking for signs of intelligent life.

It appears they are attempting to setup a modernized space station city here with the latest in unmannned technology everywhere, will cover that later in a future stardate log.

As I said previously, I'm still searching for signs of face to face human dialog... :-\


I am not sure why you would go to Vegas looking for signs of intelligent life. I mean, I've been there a few times, and I am pretty sure that's not what the place is known for. Have a drink, play some blackjack, maybe some craps if you're feeling frisky.

Horn
16th June 2010, 09:14 PM
I am not sure why you would go to Vegas looking for signs of intelligent life. I mean, I've been there a few times, and I am pretty sure that's not what the place is known for. Have a drink, play some blackjack, maybe some craps if you're feeling frisky.


In my former life pre-X, I was native to this alien land for approximately ten years. Yearly I return to settle certain financial obligations & see if the "old crew" is in need of expertise.

Currently, I am unaware of the crews whereabouts, upon initial inspection it appears they've all been replaced with fully automated & computerized replicas, though further scans will be needed to verify with certainty.

Spock out ^0^

Neuro
17th June 2010, 12:08 PM
Keep us upbeamed Oh great Horn about the revelopments of Vegas...

Horn
17th June 2010, 08:00 PM
Keep us upbeamed Oh great Horn about the revelopments of Vegas...


A side from the occasional runin with the begging American family on the street corner, all the bureaucratic wheels appear to be spinning, the strip barely 1/2 full.

Many of the old associates are nowhere to be found, only answering machines and no return calls.

I did meet one fella who was kinda regular he had one helluv an operation with coins bubbling out at the seems. Business was brisk at first open on a Thursday.

https://www.saharacoins.com/v/vspfiles/templates/SaharaCoins/images/homepage/promo_large.jpg

https://www.saharacoins.com/

Ragnarok
19th June 2010, 08:31 AM
Maybe Las Vegas will be the first city to demonstrate and observe the effects of TEOTWAWKI.

Someone is going to be first eventually.

R.

philo beddoe
19th June 2010, 09:56 AM
Maybe they plan on sending all the refugees from Florida to Las Vegas

Horn
19th June 2010, 11:17 PM
Maybe they plan on sending all the refugees from Florida to Las Vegas


I was actually thinking of that too, philo.

Just as they did with Detroit after the auto-relocation, and New Orleans with Katrina.

The market here is "bottom primed" for new arrivals to Lost Wages.

Fudup
21st June 2010, 07:44 AM
I went there once. I don't feel any need to go again.


+10

RJB
21st June 2010, 07:52 AM
I like the cheap food and lodging when passing through...

However I try not to because between the insane over stimulation of lights, infernal bleeps of the games contrasted by the zombies pulling on the arms of the one armed bandits, I find it simultaneously the most obnoxious and depressing place on Earth

Horn
23rd June 2010, 07:11 PM
OK , was cruisin the back roads & finding large groups of Negro teenage girls in swarms QTY. 15 or so, taking up the entire street.

I was reminded of The 1000 Mr. Smiths in The Matrix, just in photo negative form... ;D