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Large Sarge
12th June 2010, 11:16 AM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7148555.ece

June 12, 2010

Saudi Arabia gives Israel clear skies to attack Iranian nuclear sites
Hugh Tomlinson

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Saudi Arabia has conducted tests to stand down its air defences to enable Israeli jets to make a bombing raid on Iran’s nuclear facilities, The Times can reveal.

In the week that the UN Security Council imposed a new round of sanctions on Tehran, defence sources in the Gulf say that Riyadh has agreed to allow Israel to use a narrow corridor of its airspace in the north of the country to shorten the distance for a bombing run on Iran.

To ensure the Israeli bombers pass unmolested, Riyadh has carried out tests to make certain its own jets are not scrambled and missile defence systems not activated. Once the Israelis are through, the kingdom’s air defences will return to full alert.

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“The Saudis have given their permission for the Israelis to pass over and they will look the other way,” said a US defence source in the area. “They have already done tests to make sure their own jets aren’t scrambled and no one gets shot down. This has all been done with the agreement of the [US] State Department.”

Sources in Saudi Arabia say it is common knowledge within defence circles in the kingdom that an arrangement is in place if Israel decides to launch the raid. Despite the tension between the two governments, they share a mutual loathing of the regime in Tehran and a common fear of Iran’s nuclear ambitions. “We all know this. We will let them [the Israelis] through and see nothing,” said one.

The four main targets for any raid on Iran would be the uranium enrichment facilities at Natanz and Qom, the gas storage development at Isfahan and the heavy-water reactor at Arak. Secondary targets include the lightwater reactor at Bushehr, which could produce weapons-grade plutonium when complete.

The targets lie as far as 1,400 miles (2,250km) from Israel; the outer limits of their bombers’ range, even with aerial refuelling. An open corridor across northern Saudi Arabia would significantly shorten the distance. An airstrike would involve multiple waves of bombers, possibly crossing Jordan, northern Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Aircraft attacking Bushehr, on the Gulf coast, could swing beneath Kuwait to strike from the southwest.

Passing over Iraq would require at least tacit agreement to the raid from Washington. So far, the Obama Administration has refused to give its approval as it pursues a diplomatic solution to curbing Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Military analysts say Israel has held back only because of this failure to secure consensus from America and Arab states. Military analysts doubt that an airstrike alone would be sufficient to knock out the key nuclear facilities, which are heavily fortified and deep underground or within mountains. However, if the latest sanctions prove ineffective the pressure from the Israelis on Washington to approve military action will intensify. Iran vowed to continue enriching uranium after the UN Security Council imposed its toughest sanctions yet in an effort to halt the Islamic Republic’s nuclear programme, which Tehran claims is intended for civil energy purposes only. President Ahmadinejad has described the UN resolution as “a used handkerchief, which should be thrown in the dustbin”.

Israeli officials refused to comment yesterday on details for a raid on Iran, which the Prime Minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, has refused to rule out. Questioned on the option of a Saudi flight path for Israeli bombers, Aharaon Zeevi Farkash, who headed military intelligence until 2006 and has been involved in war games simulating a strike on Iran, said: “I know that Saudi Arabia is even more afraid than Israel of an Iranian nuclear capacity.”

In 2007 Israel was reported to have used Turkish air space to attack a suspected nuclear reactor being built by Iran’s main regional ally, Syria. Although Turkey publicly protested against the “violation” of its air space, it is thought to have turned a blind eye in what many saw as a dry run for a strike on Iran’s far more substantial — and better-defended — nuclear sites.

Israeli intelligence experts say that Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan are at least as worried as themselves and the West about an Iranian nuclear arsenal.Israel has sent missile-class warships and at least one submarine capable of launching a nuclear warhead through the Suez Canal for deployment in the Red Sea within the past year, as both a warning to Iran and in anticipation of a possible strike. Israeli newspapers reported last year that high-ranking officials, including the former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, have met their Saudi Arabian counterparts to discuss the Iranian issue. It was also reported that Meir Dagan, the head of Mossad, met Saudi intelligence officials last year to gain assurances that Riyadh would turn a blind eye to Israeli jets violating Saudi airspace during the bombing run. Both governments have denied the reports.

Plastic
12th June 2010, 11:26 AM
The drums of war are no longer being beaten!!! They are getting the crap pounded out of them.......................................

The webbots said if they do attack they will hit something terrible and the ill winds circling earth 9 times or some such thingymaboober, this is gonna suck...

Neuro
12th June 2010, 11:40 AM
This is inching closer. This was not from Sorcha Faal... I guess it could still be disinformation, but probably more reality now...

Book
12th June 2010, 11:54 AM
Unnamed sources. Zio-propaganda. Saudis would not invite certain retaliation from their neighbor Iran to help Israel.

To this day Saudi Arabia refuses to recognize the so-called "State of Israel".

:D

Large Sarge
12th June 2010, 11:55 AM
Unnamed sources. Zio-propaganda. Saudis would not invite certain retaliation from their neighbor Iran to help Israel.

To this day Saudi Arabia refuses to recognize the so-called "State of Israel".

:D




saudi kings are cypto jews

Neuro
12th June 2010, 12:15 PM
To this day Saudi Arabia refuses to recognize the so-called "State of Israel".

:D
Just window dressing, Israel and Saudi has intense diplomatic relations via the US. They don't want to upset their population by being friends with Israel openly...

Quantum
12th June 2010, 01:32 PM
Unnamed sources. Zio-propaganda. Saudis would not invite certain retaliation from their neighbor Iran to help Israel.


Sucki Arabia has sided with Mystery America far more often than its Muslim "allies." If it weren't for the fact Arabia is the Islamic "holy land," the Saudis would be held in much lower regard than they are.

And as Large Sarge points out, the House of Saud is Talmudic in origin.

Book
13th June 2010, 05:58 AM
Sucki Arabia has sided with Mystery America far more often than its Muslim "allies." If it weren't for the fact Arabia is the Islamic "holy land," the Saudis would be held in much lower regard than they are.

And as Large Sarge points out, the House of Saud is Talmudic in origin.


Makes no sense that the crypto House of Saud would help Israel bomb Muslims in Iran. Their Muslim population would revolt instantly.

:conf:

SHTF2010
13th June 2010, 06:34 AM
everyone here have short memories

this " article " is rehashed war propaganda

July 5, 2009

Saudis give nod to Israeli raid on Iran

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6638568.ece


just another chance for the zionists to keep the war drums banging against " evil Iran "

EE_
13th June 2010, 06:48 AM
Saudi Arabia acknowledges that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis.
The "muscle" hijackers, trained to help take over the flights, all came from Saudi Arabia. Most of them came from a particular region of Saudi Arabia, located near Mecca and Medina in western Saudi Arabia. Some of these hijackers had known each other before going to Afghanistan, and some of the hijackers were even brothers. The muscle hijackers arrived in the United States in the late spring or early summer of 2001.

American Airlines Flight 11
Mohamed Atta
Abdul Aziz al-Omari
Wail al-Shehri
Waleed al-Shehri
Satam al-Suqami

United Airlines Flight 175
Marwan al-Shehhi
Fayez Banihammad
Ahmed al-Ghamdi
Hamza al-Ghamdi
Mohand al-Shehri

American Airlines Flight 77
Hani Hanjour
Salem al-Hazmi
Nawaf al-Hazmi
Majed Moqed
Khalid al-Mihdhar

United Airlines Flight 93

Ziad Jarrah
Saeed al Ghamdi
Ahmed al-Haznawi
Ahmed al-Nami

Book
13th June 2010, 06:53 AM
this " article " is rehashed war propaganda



Saudi Arabia: We will not give Israel air corridor for Iran strike (http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/saudi-arabia-we-will-not-give-israel-air-corridor-for-iran-strike-1.295672)

Right you are SHTF2010.

:D

wildcard
13th June 2010, 08:04 AM
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/06/12/gordon-duff-israel-saudi-war-pact-on-iran-hogwash/

ISRAEL-SAUDI WAR PACT ON IRAN “HOGWASH”

June 12, 2010 posted by Gordon Duff · 17 Comments

LONDON TIMES STORY OUTLINING NUKE ATTACK ON IRAN CITED
AS ISRAELI DECEPTION TO MANIPULATE U.S. STOCK MARKET

By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor

The London Times reported today that Saudi Arabia has given permission for Israel to fly over their territory to attack unspecified “nuclear facilities” in Iran. Mention of specific Saudi actions including deactivating their air defense systems to allow Israel use of their airspace was directly referenced by the Times in their story by Hugh Tomlinson. However, not only is such a possibility not a possibility, the story itself is designed to destabilize world markets.

Iran is capable of closing the Straits of Hormuz and stopping all oil shipments from, not only the Persian Gulf states, including Kuwait and Iran but Saudi Arabia itself. At the first sight of an Israeli plane, every tanker and oil facility in the Gulf would be destroyed and the Saudi capital in ruins from Iranian missiles.

The closing of the Straits alone would crash the world’s stock markets instantly throwing the world into an immediate depression. Oil would go over $250 a barrel overnight and gas prices in the US would hit $10 per gallon. This is not speculation.

Iran’s military capability has been focused entirely on closing the Straits and cutting off much of the world’s oil supply. Thousands of Chinese Silkworm missiles are at the ready, set into the islands of the Straits seized by Iran years ago or hidden along the coastline or on mobile launchers. In fact, the US Navy is would have to immediately withdraw from the region.

Every defense specialist in the world knows all of this. The United Arab Emirates sits across the Straits from Iran and stares into this mass of missiles, torpedo boats and submarines. They are funding a massive missile defense system and have even considered spending billions to construct a canal bypassing the narrow straits. Iranian troops have been dug into islands adjacent to the Straits for decades. When talking about the Straits of Hormuz, the term “tight as a tick” comes to mind. “Duck in a barrel” is another analogy with us being the ducks.

The game isn’t to start a war, knowing full well that America would be required to defend Saudi Arabia though there are no agreements to defend Israel, especially if they are the aggressor. With over $2 trillion dollars pumped from the US economy by Israeli-American companies like Goldman Sachs during the Bush sponsored “pump and dump,” the “banksters” weren’t satisfied. They now want to pick America’s bones.

Any attack on Iran that involved Saudi Arabia in any way would bring an automatic response from Pakistan. Without their military efforts, the US would be forced to withdraw from Afghanistan in weeks. Even with their help, and increased force levels, America’s presence is unsustainable as the Karzai government has already collapsed. Nobody is admitting it yet but Karzai and his US backers rule nothing and control nothing, even worse than when Bush left office.

The real players in the Middle East are Turkey, Iran and Pakistan. Two of these nations are major US allies. The population of the three nations exceeds that of the US and their combined armies number, with reserves at two million, over double that of the United States. Were the three to join together, Afghanistan and Iraq would be forced, out of survival to join in, creating a contiguous state, a nuclear state, capable of taking Saudi Arabia in days and doing so without any US resistance. After all, these are American allies and Saudi Arabia would be, technically, an aggressor nation. Though mutual defense pacts do not include Iran, a history of resentment against Saudi-Israeli collusion and the current chill between Israel and Turkey would build this polyglot coalition state almost overnight.

In the long run, such a country would be the real strategic partner the US has always desired, with a single nuclear arsenal under Pakistani control and Iranian issues eliminated as they would be the junior power in a coalition with decades of ties to the US. If any of this seems difficult to grasp, position papers outlining this exact situation have been around for years.

Given the chance, Israel would join this group of states. Those familiar with private “back channel” diplomatic initiatives know that this has is considered. Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan all maintain a covert level of cordial relations with Israel, relations poisoned by the Gaza crisis.

Israel’s aggressive stance toward apartheid expansionism, fueled by the hubris supplied by American hegemony in the region is only one of the considerations needed in evaluating the dynamic in the region. The humiliation Turkey suffered, despite the fact Turkey’s powerful military has always worked closely with Israel, threatens to destabilize their civilian government and add to Islamic militancy there.

Iraq is going through a rough period after recent elections. They are expect to ask the US to keep troops in place in significant numbers well past the agreed upon date of withdrawal.

Iran, a country whose civil government is extremely unpopular with its own people, maintains stability through police state tactics rivaling those of the Shah’s Savak and punishes its own population by maintaining status as a rogue state, a virtual pariah nation, as a way of clamping down on dissent.

Afghanistan is in total collapse. Along with the Taliban, a number of additional divides with the nation have occurred and the new national army and police force are total failures. An informal defacto government is now ruling increasing areas of the country and may be able to build stability if certified by the royal families. President Karzai is trying to work closely with Pakistan, a major policy change for him, out of a combination of necessity and panic. However, Karzai has burned too many bridges to be able to bring cordial relations between Pakistan and Afghanistan, nations with a history of rivalry and some acrimony.

Pakistan may be the key to the puzzle. Pakistan’s unsteady democracy has been ineffective but current military leadership in Pakistan is highly competent, very pro-US and moderate. The primary problems are Pakistan’s economy, nearing total collapse and the instability of terrorism that has pushed Pakistan to the edge. Pakistan’s desire is to underwrite economic growth but has no oil resources for such as task. Without the ability to overcome internal corruption and address the root causes of extremism in the tribal areas along the border with Afghanistan, Pakistan faces destabilization. Membership in a coalition state would address some of these problems. Occupation of Saudi Arabia under an “Islamic Protectorate” necessitated by Israeli incursions into Saudi airspace would solve all of Pakistan’s problems.

The media can be a powerful thing. When a story, such as the one in the London Times, could jolt markets or push nations to irational acts, a poor understanding of regional conditions and history could have quite another effect, one entirely unexpected.

Gypsybiker45
13th June 2010, 01:55 PM
Good, now maybe the world can rid itself of both of them.

FunnyMoney
13th June 2010, 02:57 PM
Good, now maybe the world can rid itself of both of them.


Even though both societies are filled with brain-washed pro govt types there's still a human element to some of the average workers in both places. ...maybe if the world could rid itself of both of their govts then we could get somewhere. But the same could be said about our govt as well. Basically, all central govts have matured into terminal cancers.

StackerKen
13th June 2010, 03:10 PM
Good, now maybe the world can rid itself of both of them.


Even though both societies are filled with brain-washed pro govt types there's still a human element to some of the average workers in both places. ...maybe if the world could rid itself of both of their govts then we could get somewhere. But the same could be said about our govt as well. Basically, all central govts have matured into terminal cancers.


I agree....they all have to go. (see my sig.)

StackerKen
13th June 2010, 03:14 PM
I found this post and liked and agreed with it so I wanted to post it.


That's why when all is said and done...the US will not come to Israel's defense when she's surrounded. The word says (Israel) will become a "burdensome stone" to all nations. Oh we may put a few ships in the port to make an appearance, but NO ONE is coming to Israel's defense according to the word. When Israel is totally surrounded, and they have no help...it will be the Messiah who comes to their rescue. There will be many lives lost, but the remnant there will accept the Messiah. YAHshua who hung on the cross...whose blood is the remission of the world's sins.

Quantum
13th June 2010, 04:19 PM
Sucki Arabia has sided with Mystery America far more often than its Muslim "allies." If it weren't for the fact Arabia is the Islamic "holy land," the Saudis would be held in much lower regard than they are.

And as Large Sarge points out, the House of Saud is Talmudic in origin.


Makes no sense that the crypto House of Saud would help Israel bomb Muslims in Iran. Their Muslim population would revolt instantly.

:conf:


They haven't revolted for 20 years. The House of Saud has been instrumental in helping the US Government destroy the stable, civilized Muslim nation of Iraq, since 1990.

Gypsybiker45
13th June 2010, 05:39 PM
Sucki Arabia has sided with Mystery America far more often than its Muslim "allies." If it weren't for the fact Arabia is the Islamic "holy land," the Saudis would be held in much lower regard than they are.

And as Large Sarge points out, the House of Saud is Talmudic in origin.


Makes no sense that the crypto House of Saud would help Israel bomb Muslims in Iran. Their Muslim population would revolt instantly.

:conf:


They haven't revolted for 20 years. The House of Saud has been instrumental in helping the US Government destroy the stable, civilized Muslim nation of Iraq, since 1990.



ever been? I have, hardly civilized, a Police state then and now. If you werent a Baathist and Sunni, you were a POS. If you were a Kurd you were double whammied.