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EE_
12th June 2010, 04:26 PM
This is truely a doomsday scenario. aka "the Ponce Scenario"
Read the rest. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/06/evidence-points-to-destruction-beneath.html

Saturday, June 12, 2010
BP Official Admits to Damage BENEATH THE SEA FLOOR


As I noted Tuesday, there is growing evidence that BP's oil well - technically called the "well casing" or "well bore" - has suffered damage beneath the level of the sea floor.

The evidence is growing stronger and stronger that there is substantial damage beneath the sea floor. Indeed, it appears that BP officials themselves have admitted to such damage. This has enormous impacts on both the amount of oil leaking into the Gulf, and the prospects for quickly stopping the leak this summer.


On May 31st, the Washington Post noted:


Sources at two companies involved with the well said that BP also discovered new damage inside the well below the seafloor and that, as a result, some of the drilling mud that was successfully forced into the well was going off to the side into rock formations.

"We discovered things that were broken in the sub-surface," said a BP official who spoke on the condition of anonymity. He said that mud was making it "out to the side, into the formation."

On June 2nd, Bloomberg pointed out:

Plugging the well is another challenge even after BP successfully intersects it, Robert Bea, a University of California Berkeley engineering professor, said. BP has said it believes the well bore to be damaged, which could hamper efforts to fill it with mud and set a concrete plug, Bea said.

Bea is an expert in offshore drilling and a high-level governmental adviser concerning disasters.

On the same day, the Wall Street Journal noted that there might be a leak in BP's well casing 1,000 feet beneath the sea floor:

BP PLC has concluded that its "top-kill" attempt last week to seal its broken well in the Gulf of Mexico may have failed due to a malfunctioning disk inside the well about 1,000 feet below the ocean floor.


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The broken disk may have prevented the heavy drilling mud injected into the well last week from getting far enough down the well to overcome the pressure from the escaping oil and gas, people familiar with BP's findings said. They said much of the drilling mud may also have escaped from the well into the rock formation outside the wellbore.

On June 7th, Senator Bill Nelson told MSNBC that he's investigating reports of oil seeping up from additional leak points on the seafloor:

Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL): Andrea we’re looking into something new right now, that there’s reports of oil that’s seeping up from the seabed… which would indicate, if that’s true, that the well casing itself is actually pierced… underneath the seabed. So, you know, the problems could be just enormous with what we’re facing.

Andrea Mitchell, MSNBC: Now let me understand better what you’re saying. If that is true that it is coming up form that seabed, even the relief well won’t be the final solution to cap this thing. That means that we’ve got oil gushing up at disparate places along the ocean floor.

Sen. Nelson: That is possible, unless you get the plug down low enough, below where the pipe would be breached.




Indeed, loss of integrity in the well itself may explain why BP is drilling its relief wells more than ten thousand feet beneath the leaking pipes on the seafloor (and see this).

Yesterday, recently-retired Shell Oil President John Hofmeister said that the well casing below the sea floor may have been compromised:


[Question] What are the chances that the well casing below the sea floor has been compromised, and that gas and oil are coming up the outside of the well casing, eroding the surrounding soft rock. Could this lead to a catastrophic geological failure, unstoppable even by the relief wells?

John Hofmeister: This is what some people fear has occurred. It is also why the "top kill" process was halted. If the casing is compromised the well is that much more difficult to shut down, including the risk that the relief wells may not be enough. If the relief wells do not result in stopping the flow, the next and drastic step is to implode the well on top of itself, which carries other risks as well.



As noted yesterday in The Engineer magazine, an official from Cameron International - the manufacturer of the blowout preventer for BP's leaking oil drilling operation - noted that one cause of the failure of the BOP could have been damage to the well bore:

Steel casing or casing hanger could have been ejected from the well and blocked the operation of the rams.
Oil industry expert Rob Cavner believes that the casing might be damaged beneath the sea floor, noting:

The real doomsday scenario here… is if that casing gives up, and it does come through the other strings of pipe. Remember, it is concentric pipe that holds this well together. If it comes into the formation, basically, you‘ve got uncontrolled [oil] flow to the sea floor. And that is the doomsday scenario.
Cavner also said BP must "keep the well flowing to minimize oil and gas going out into the formation on the side":

EE_
12th June 2010, 04:37 PM
I thought I've been having...once the oil rains start and have deposited much oil across the south. What happens when fire breaks out from lighting or other? Will the oil soaked land be more combustable?
Could we see fires of biblical proportions?

Serpo
12th June 2010, 04:54 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/37560013#37560013

EE_
12th June 2010, 04:55 PM
Anyone care to fill in the rest of this chart?
Notice where cheap energy came on the scene...
http://www.humanecology.com.au/Images/World_Population_Graph.jpg

http://www.umanitoba.ca/faculties/afs/soil_science/MSSS/Ecology/Cartoons/Cartoons%20Images/Population%20chart.gif

gunDriller
12th June 2010, 05:15 PM
We are in uncharted territory my friend. I have no idea what will happen, but I'm glad I don't live in Florida.

that reminds me of the line in Con-Air when John Cusack says, "contingency plans for things like this don't exist".

and the other guy says, "this is a situation that needs to get un-fucked real fast" which is certainly true.


i think this incident has the potential to be planet-destroying - if they are unable to plug the well and about half the 1 to 2 billion barrels in the well leak into the ocean.

We have already seen the smoke mix with the clouds to create some really dirty (toxic, poisonous) rain. what happens when the Hurricanes move this toxic brew 50 miles inland ?

i am amazed at the complacency of Planet Obama. he is a lot smarter than Bush, he has the resources of the US military at his command - theoretically - which doesn't mean they have to use bombs, but it does help with field logistics for any large-scale technology deployment.

Horn
12th June 2010, 05:18 PM
We are in uncharted territory my friend. I have no idea what will happen, but I'm glad I don't live in Florida.


Ditto, I really don't know what else to add, but that this lies right in there between man made & natural disasters.

The exact timing of it makes me wonder as to what is/was known on the exploratory end of things. ie: is there a way to differentiate severe pressure wells vs. typical in this day and age. I don't think they'll come out & tell us that one yet...

This is enough to topple entire governments though (if that's any consolation).


Addressing the US president in a letter, obtained by Sky News, Napier said: "Your comments towards BP and its CEO, as reported here, are coming across as somewhat prejudicial and personal. There is a sense here that these attacks are being made because BP is British."

http://www.marketingmagazine.co.uk/news/1009364/Aegis-chairman-Napier-wades-BP-Obama-spat/

Hatha Sunahara
12th June 2010, 06:27 PM
I wonder if there are any physicists from one of the 'National Laboratories' sitting down with the knowledgeable geologists at BP to calculate the size and positioning of a nuclear device that might stop this leak. I can't think of a more beneficial purpose for exploding a nuclear bomb.

Hatha

Quantum
12th June 2010, 07:47 PM
I wonder if there are any physicists from one of the 'National Laboratories' sitting down with the knowledgeable geologists at BP to calculate the size and positioning of a nuclear device that might stop this leak. I can't think of a more beneficial purpose for exploding a nuclear bomb.

Hatha


At least one from Sandia, Richard Garwin, went down a few weeks ago, but nothing more's been heard about him.

Defender
12th June 2010, 08:58 PM
I wonder if there are any physicists from one of the 'National Laboratories' sitting down with the knowledgeable geologists at BP to calculate the size and positioning of a nuclear device that might stop this leak. I can't think of a more beneficial purpose for exploding a nuclear bomb.

Hatha


At least one from Sandia, Richard Garwin, went down a few weeks ago, but nothing more's been heard about him.


This was his response: :ROFL:

Book
12th June 2010, 09:15 PM
...if they are unable to plug the well and about half the 1 to 2 billion barrels in the well leak into the ocean.



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Gulf_Coast_Platforms.jpg

There are over 3,000 platforms in the Gulf and we are only considering one leaking? Rust and stupidity never sleeps. More will start leaking and the Oil Corporations will eventually file for bankruptcy leaving that oozing mess behind for generations.

:o