got our first tropical depression in the atlantic

[Large Sarge]

http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at201092_model.html

[Large Sarge]

look at this path

[the riot act]

And that track usually takes them into the Gulf. Oh, goodie! :sarc:

[Large Sarge]

each dot on the track represents 12 hours, so I count roughly 13 dots

so 6 days or so and its near Puerto Rico

[StackerKen]

Is the water warm enough for a hurricane to form?

[Heimdhal]

Is the water warm enough for a hurricane to form?

season starts june 1st, so techincaly, it is possible. Its been a pretty warm spring/summer thus far in the south. Down here there wasnt much easing into it. One day we had 50 degree nights and 60-70 degree days and then literaly the next day it was 85 degrees out and hasnt come down since.

[Libertytree]

Is the water warm enough for a hurricane to form?

season starts june 1st, so techincaly, it is possible. Its been a pretty warm spring/summer thus far in the south. Down here there wasnt much easing into it. One day we had 50 degree nights and 60-70 degree days and then literaly the next day it was 85 degrees out and hasnt come down since.


That's a fact, plus it's always hotter on the west/gulf coast.

[gunDriller]

Is the water warm enough for a hurricane to form?


yes.

normally water surface temps in the high 80's (Fahrenheit) are associated with the big hurricanes. e.g. Katrina.

i looked a few days ago, temps were in the 85 - 88 range ... and it's only June.

they have enough heat for a Cat 5-Cat6 hurricane.

i don't know what the other ingredients are. i started watching the temperatures after Katrina but i can't find the NOAA temperature table & chart i used to use.

[Large Sarge]

the main ingredients are actually electrical, McCanney covers that, August has to do with the return current from space (creates electrical disturbances)

that coincides with the "peak of hurricane season"

also planetary alignments, will cause electrical discharge

He Said Sept 21 is the only thing this year, it should be a "flop"

they are likely going to use their laser satellites, to make some hurricanes, steer them, etc


heat really does not play a part in it.


its primarily electrical,

[gunDriller]

they are likely going to use their laser satellites, to make some hurricanes, steer them, etc
heat really does not play a part in it.
its primarily electrical,


i don't think they have the technology for this yet.

[Heimdhal]

the main ingredients are actually electrical, McCanney covers that, August has to do with the return current from space (creates electrical disturbances)

that coincides with the "peak of hurricane season"

also planetary alignments, will cause electrical discharge

He Said Sept 21 is the only thing this year, it should be a "flop"

they are likely going to use their laser satellites, to make some hurricanes, steer them, etc


heat really does not play a part in it.


its primarily electrical,


Everything else in the post aside, it would only take a few tropical depression/storms to really churn things up in the gulf and blow those toxic benzine and corexit fumes inland and in all directions. Even without a major hurricane, theres no such thing as a "flop" season with whats going on in the gulf right now. No good can come of this.

[Large Sarge]

they are likely going to use their laser satellites, to make some hurricanes, steer them, etc
heat really does not play a part in it.
its primarily electrical,


i don't think they have the technology for this yet.


Katrina and Rita were laser storms (steered and magnified)

McCanney has covered it

the laser actually increases the conductivity with the ground (creates a circuit of sorts)

this allows the immense energy from the ionosphere/space to come down as the storm/hurricane

[Large Sarge]

there are some ways to tell when a hurricane is natural

1. return currency sheet, peaks in late Aug/Early Sept

2. planetary alignment causing electrical discharge


those are the 2 primary drivers for hurricanes.

McCanney knows some way to measure the return currency sheet, and he and others can tell you on planetary alignments

but I will tell you this, when McCanney calls some dates (often 6+ months in advance)

you do not see 1 hurricane

you will see multiple hurricanes/typhoons appear almost over night, all over the planet
and on the land, you will see bad thunderstorms, wind storms, etc

a laser storm will have 1 storm by its lonesome, no other electrical activity on the planet, it will take very strange routes (steered), etc

[Large Sarge]

McCanney put out Sept 21 as the only date worth mentioning this year

you will see multiple hurricanes/typhoons, storms, etc all over the planet.

not one lonely hurricane

[Horn]

I imagine it would be fairly difficult to create, but magnifying and steering might be possible at the detriment of each other, or if magnified unable to steer, if steered lessened in strength.

I remember one off of Florida maybe 6 or 7 years ago (forget the name) that did a dead stall, and retreated in a strange fashion.

[Ponce]

Who the frick rekiti frick cares........this damn oil is going past Cuba and to W Africa then this is only the beginning......the most beautiful beaches in Cuba looks like pure salt and white as snow........that will kill the income to many my country.

[Large Sarge]

I imagine it would be fairly difficult to create, but magnifying and steering might be possible at the detriment of each other, or if magnified unable to steer, if steered lessened in strength.


the energy potential is tremedous, this is the same energy of the famous "tesla tower"

from the ionosphere

this is where lightning comes from

the amount of energy up there defies the human mind

so even a "weak circuit"(laser) tapping into that amount of power, would cause a hurricane

[Horn]

Not really clear on what your speaking about?

Problem with tapping into that layer which I think you speak of is positioning anything (fixed) capable of pulling down the energy up there, a region of the atmosphere remains basically unexplored.

[Large Sarge]

satellites are 36,000 km above the earth

http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/pdusfaq.html

ionosphere is around 1,000 km above the earth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionosphere

pretty easy to use a laser to punch through that, and create a circuit

[Large Sarge]

here, they let this one slip by the censors... oops

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-04/osoa-lte041008.php


Laser triggers electrical activity in thunderstorm for the first time
Device on mountaintop takes first step toward manmade lightning
WASHINGTON, April 14�A team of European scientists has deliberately triggered electrical activity in thunderclouds for the first time, according to a new paper in the latest issue of Optics Express, the Optical Society’s (OSA) open-access journal. They did this by aiming high-power pulses of laser light into a thunderstorm.

At the top of South Baldy Peak in New Mexico during two passing thunderstorms, the researchers used laser pulses to create plasma filaments that could conduct electricity akin to Benjamin Franklin's silk kite string. No air-to-ground lightning was triggered because the filaments were too short-lived, but the laser pulses generated discharges in the thunderclouds themselves.

"This was an important first step toward triggering lightning strikes with laser beams," says Jérôme Kasparian of the University of Lyon in France. "It was the first time we generated lighting precursors in a thundercloud." The next step of generating full-blown lightning strikes may come, he adds, after the team reprograms their lasers to use more sophisticated pulse sequences that will make longer-lived filaments to further conduct the lightning during storms.

Triggering lightning strikes is an important tool for basic and applied research because it enables researchers to study the mechanisms underlying lightning strikes. Moreover, triggered lightning strikes will allow engineers to evaluate and test the lightning-sensitivity of airplanes and critical infrastructure such as power lines.

Pulsed lasers represent a potentially very powerful technology for triggering lightning because they can form a large number of plasma filaments – ionized channels of molecules in the air that act like conducting wires extending into the thundercloud. This is such a simple concept that the idea of using lasers to trigger lightning strikes was first suggested more than 30 years ago. But scientists have not been able to accomplish this to date because previous lasers have not been powerful enough to generate long plasma channels. The current generation of more powerful lasers, like the one developed by Kasparian’s team, may change that.

Kasparian and his colleagues involved in the Teramobile project, an international program initiated by National Center for Scientific Research (CNRS) in France and the German Research Foundation (DFG), built a powerful mobile laser capable of generating long plasma channels by firing ultrashort laser pulses. They chose to test their laser at the Langmuir Laboratory in New Mexico, which is equipped to measure atmospheric electrical discharges. Sitting at the top of 10,500-foot South Baldy Peak, this laboratory is in an ideal location because its altitude places it close to the high thunderclouds.

During the tests, the research team quantified the electrical activity in the clouds after discharging laser pulses. Statistical analysis showed that their laser pulses indeed enhanced the electrical activity in the thundercloud where it was aimed�in effect they generated small local discharges located at the position of the plasma channels.

The limitation of the experiment, though, was that they could not generate plasma channels that lived long enough to conduct lightning all the way to the ground. The plasma channels dissipated before the lightning could travel more than a few meters along them. The team is currently looking to increase the power of the laser pulses by a factor of 10 and use bursts of pulses to generate the plasmas much more efficiently.

Lightning strikes have been the subject of scientific investigation dating back to the time of Benjamin Franklin, but despite this, remain not fully understood. Although scientists have been able to trigger lightning strikes since the 1970s by shooting small rockets into thunderclouds that spool long wires connected to the ground, typically only 50 percent of rocket launches actually trigger a lightning strike. The use of laser technology would make the process quicker, more efficient and cost-effective and would be expected to open a number of new applications.


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Kasparian conducted the research with his colleagues at CNRS, the University of Lyon, the University of Geneva, École Polytechnique and ENSTA in Palaiseau, France, the Free University of Berlin and the Dresden-Rossendorf Research Center as part of the Teramobile project. This work was funded jointly by the CNRS, DFG, the French and German ministries of foreign affairs, Agence Nationale de la Recherche, Fonds national suisse de la recherche scientifique, and the Swiss Secrétariat d'État ÃÂ* l'Éducation et ÃÂ* la Recherche.

Paper: "Electric events synchronized with laser filaments in thunderclouds," Jérôme Kasparian et al, Optics Express, Vol. 16, Issue 8, April 14, 2008, pp. 5757-63; abstract at http://www.opticsexpress.org/abstract.cfm?id=157189.

[Horn]

satellites are 36,000 km above the earth

http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/pdusfaq.html

ionosphere is around 1,000 km above the earth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionosphere

pretty easy to use a laser to punch through that, and create a circuit



I'm sorry, are you saying you could easily transfer vast sums of energy thru 35000kms of virtually empty space?

I imagine you could have something solar powered that would do short bursts, or an entire fleet to do an array of short bursts.

To edit is much easier than to create from scratch, not saying it would be impossible, but would be a never ending workshop thru variables to pull one out of nothing.

[Large Sarge]

there is not much atmosphere up there

so you would lose very little of the laser from reflectivity, etc

and all they are hoping to do is create enough electric potential (circuit) to generate the storm

[the riot act]

Lot's of upper level wind sheer tearing up this thing now. A new one is just rolling off the coast.