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MetalsMan
14th June 2010, 12:04 AM
I've been hearing a lot of chatter in the Net and Internet Radio Shows
that Hitlery is going to sign a "Treaty" to ban guns in America.

True? ???

If so, what would happen?

No more gun or ammunition sales?

Door-to-door confiscation?

Should sell my Ruger .22 and get the money now? ;D

Grand Master Melon
14th June 2010, 12:16 AM
Whoa whoa whoa, hold on a second. You're comparing Hillary to Hitler. Obviously you haven't heard he's the best thing since Jesus Christ. :oo-->

MetalsMan
14th June 2010, 12:35 AM
Whoa whoa whoa, hold on a second. You're comparing Hillary to Hitler. Obviously you haven't heard he's the best thing since Jesus Christ. :oo-->



You're a DORK. Go away. ;D

iOWNme
14th June 2010, 05:53 AM
The United Nations Treaty of 1945 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Charter) has many Disarmament policies for all nations who participate.

Then in 1961, JFK (yes) along with the 87th Congress, introduced and SIGNED Public Law 87-297 (http://www.libertygunrights.com/PublicLaw87-297.html) , Which gave the statutory authority to create the Arms Control & Disarmament Agency. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_Control_and_Disarmament_Agency)

This ACT was then CODIFIED into the United States Code, under Title 22, Chapter 35, Entitled 'Arms Control & Disarmament'. (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode22/usc_sup_01_22_10_35.html)

Inside it you will find this:

Title 22, Chapter 35, Subchapter 1, $2551 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode22/usc_sec_22_00002551----000-.html):
"An ultimate goal of the United States is a world which is free from the scourge of war and the dangers and burdens of armaments; in which the use of force has been subordinated to the rule of law; and in which international adjustments to a changing world are achieved peacefully. It is the purpose of this chapter to provide impetus toward this goal by addressing the problem of reduction and control of armaments looking toward ultimate world disarmament."

(Do you see how they actually create all the wars since the United Nations, but get the world to think if we all give away our guns, we will be safe, this is classic Hegelian Dialectic, and here. They will cause change, through manipulating the mass into making a decision. It doesnt even matter if it is a bad decision for the Elite, it is a push into a different direction. A game of chess, where we are always moving. Too bad most people cant see that the box we live in gets smaller, no matter what the discussion is about.)

Next look in the same subchapter, $2552 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode22/usc_sec_22_00002552----000-.html):
"The terms “arms control” and “disarmament” mean the identification, verification, inspection, limitation, control, reduction, or elimination, of armed forces and armaments of all kinds under international agreement including the necessary steps taken under such an agreement to establish an effective system of international control, or to create and strengthen international organizations for the maintenance of peace."

Its right there! In the US Code since 1961! And look! THEY ARE GETTING RID OF ALL THE MILITARY! Think im crazy? ALL NATIONS in the UN have been steadily working since its inception to disarm COMPLETELY. Believe me, not many other nations even have guns!

Now go to Subchapter 3, $2571 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode22/usc_sec_22_00002571----000-.html):
3(a): "Control, reduction and elimination of armed forces and armaments:
the detection, identification, inspection, monitoring, limitation, reduction, control, and elimination of armed forces and armaments, including thermonuclear, nuclear, missile, conventional, bacteriological, chemical, and radiological weapons: "

Now, this Public Law 87-297 was explained further in 2 different instances, a State Dept Document called "Publication 7277 (http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/arms/freedom_war.html)", and "The Blue Print for the Peace Race (http://www.usccb.org/sdwp/globalpoverty/pdfs/2009-02-27-commonweal-article.pdf)." It is a 35-page booklet printed by the United States Arms Control and Disarmament Agency as Publication No. 4 - General Series 3 - Released May of 1962. Publication No. 4 is the unabridged version of State Department Document 7277.

Both of these booklets explain how our military is to be reduced to 2.1 million men. China and the Soviets are to be reduced to that level also. At this point, we are at Stage I at which time we are to transfer (on a permanent basis) one-half of our armed forces to be merged with the Russian and Chinese armies. In Stage II, the remaining one-half of our armed forces is then turned over to this same Security Council of the United Nations. The person in charge of the merged armies must, by agreement, always be a Russian. The world's smaller nations turn 100% of their armies over to the same under-secretary of the Security, Council in Stage II. President George Bush and Admiral Wm. J. Crowe [have referred] to this process as being "in transition."(1993)

Every couple of years the House of Representatives votes to appropriate funds for this on-going program. Since P.L. 87-297 was first passed into law in 1961, there have been 18 updates to it. The Congress knows that the plan includes the policing of the United States by foreign troops. (The world army they are forming in Europe.) The Congress is allowing our military bases to be closed down, except for those that will be used by the world army. You will find that plan in Publication 7277 and in "The Blueprint for the Peace Race."

The Congress has praised these documents and is on record in Senate hearings. Ask your librarian for "Revision of the United Nations Charter - Hearings Before a Subcommittee (Foreign Relations) Feb. 2-20, 1950 U.S.Government Printing Office." The ultimate goal to be reached in Stage III of the disarmament process is to "[color=red]proceed to a point where no state [nation] would have the military power to challenge the progressively strengthened U.N. Peace Force...."

So, dont let any politician fool you, or the Supreme Court. Treaties TRUMP the Constitution. PERIOD. It is just a matter of time.....

Twisted Titan
14th June 2010, 06:56 AM
Exspolsive set of documents you have there Juris

Excellent find.


T

Heimdhal
14th June 2010, 07:02 AM
The United Nations Treaty of 1945 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Charter) has many Disarmament policies for all nations who participate.

Then in 1961, JFK (yes) along with the 87th Congress, introduced and SIGNED Public Law 87-297 (http://www.libertygunrights.com/PublicLaw87-297.html) , Which gave the statutory authority to create the Arms Control & Disarmament Agency. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_Control_and_Disarmament_Agency)

This ACT was then CODIFIED into the United States Code, under Title 22, Chapter 35, Entitled 'Arms Control & Disarmament'. (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode22/usc_sup_01_22_10_35.html)

Inside it you will find this:

Title 22, Chapter 35, Subchapter 1, $2551 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode22/usc_sec_22_00002551----000-.html):
"An ultimate goal of the United States is a world which is free from the scourge of war and the dangers and burdens of armaments; in which the use of force has been subordinated to the rule of law; and in which international adjustments to a changing world are achieved peacefully. It is the purpose of this chapter to provide impetus toward this goal by addressing the problem of reduction and control of armaments looking toward ultimate world disarmament."

(Do you see how they actually create all the wars since the United Nations, but get the world to think if we all give away our guns, we will be safe, this is classic Hegelian Dialectic, and here. They will cause change, through manipulating the mass into making a decision. It doesnt even matter if it is a bad decision for the Elite, it is a push into a different direction. A game of chess, where we are always moving. Too bad most people cant see that the box we live in gets smaller, no matter what the discussion is about.)

Next look in the same subchapter, $2552 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode22/usc_sec_22_00002552----000-.html):
"The terms “arms control” and “disarmament” mean the identification, verification, inspection, limitation, control, reduction, or elimination, of armed forces and armaments of all kinds under international agreement including the necessary steps taken under such an agreement to establish an effective system of international control, or to create and strengthen international organizations for the maintenance of peace."

Its right there! In the US Code since 1961! And look! THEY ARE GETTING RID OF ALL THE MILITARY! Think im crazy? ALL NATIONS in the UN have been steadily working since its inception to disarm COMPLETELY. Believe me, not many other nations even have guns!

Now go to Subchapter 3, $2571 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode22/usc_sec_22_00002571----000-.html):
3(a): "Control, reduction and elimination of armed forces and armaments:
the detection, identification, inspection, monitoring, limitation, reduction, control, and elimination of armed forces and armaments, including thermonuclear, nuclear, missile, conventional, bacteriological, chemical, and radiological weapons: "

Now, this Public Law 87-297 was explained further in 2 different instances, a State Dept Document called "Publication 7277 (http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/arms/freedom_war.html)", and "The Blue Print for the Peace Race (http://www.usccb.org/sdwp/globalpoverty/pdfs/2009-02-27-commonweal-article.pdf)." It is a 35-page booklet printed by the United States Arms Control and Disarmament Agency as Publication No. 4 - General Series 3 - Released May of 1962. Publication No. 4 is the unabridged version of State Department Document 7277.

Both of these booklets explain how our military is to be reduced to 2.1 million men. China and the Soviets are to be reduced to that level also. At this point, we are at Stage I at which time we are to transfer (on a permanent basis) one-half of our armed forces to be merged with the Russian and Chinese armies. In Stage II, the remaining one-half of our armed forces is then turned over to this same Security Council of the United Nations. The person in charge of the merged armies must, by agreement, always be a Russian. The world's smaller nations turn 100% of their armies over to the same under-secretary of the Security, Council in Stage II. President George Bush and Admiral Wm. J. Crowe [have referred] to this process as being "in transition."(1993)

Every couple of years the House of Representatives votes to appropriate funds for this on-going program. Since P.L. 87-297 was first passed into law in 1961, there have been 18 updates to it. The Congress knows that the plan includes the policing of the United States by foreign troops. (The world army they are forming in Europe.) The Congress is allowing our military bases to be closed down, except for those that will be used by the world army. You will find that plan in Publication 7277 and in "The Blueprint for the Peace Race."

The Congress has praised these documents and is on record in Senate hearings. Ask your librarian for "Revision of the United Nations Charter - Hearings Before a Subcommittee (Foreign Relations) Feb. 2-20, 1950 U.S.Government Printing Office." The ultimate goal to be reached in Stage III of the disarmament process is to "[color=red]proceed to a point where no state [nation] would have the military power to challenge the progressively strengthened U.N. Peace Force...."

So, dont let any politician fool you, or the Supreme Court. Treaties TRUMP the Constitution. PERIOD. It is just a matter of time.....



Thanks!

Ponce
14th June 2010, 07:04 AM
I can only guess that the state of Israel will be the only nation with weapons and also the police force of the WHOLEEEEEEEE world, if you want to hold to your weapos you better become a head banger really fast like.

First post of the day..............good morning to one and all.

Plastic
14th June 2010, 07:10 AM
Or buy lots of pvc pipe, grease and a shovel to hide the best weaps. Make sure to have a junky weap for the vultures to stea... errrmm confiscate.

After the initial sweeps are finished dig a couple up and carry on.

sirgonzo420
14th June 2010, 07:13 AM
Or buy lots of pvc pipe, grease and a shovel to hide the best weaps. Make sure to have a junky weap for the vultures to stea... errrmm confiscate.

After the initial sweeps are finished dig a couple up and carry on.


If it's time to bury 'em, it's time to dig 'em up.

Plastic
14th June 2010, 07:28 AM
Or buy lots of pvc pipe, grease and a shovel to hide the best weaps. Make sure to have a junky weap for the vultures to stea... errrmm confiscate.

After the initial sweeps are finished dig a couple up and carry on.


If it's time to bury 'em, it's time to dig 'em up.






I go by the thought that the confiscation raids will take place with a complete media black-out. That said, it is better to have most weaps hidden safely just incase your door gets kicked in at 2 a.m. Sure alot of folks here say if/when that happens they will open fire, but that is a useless death of a patriot imo. As for myself, I will let them take "all they can find" ( 1 junk weap, maybe 2 ), get my "thanks for your gun/s good citizen papers" and then grab my shovel to dig things up.

Ponce
14th June 2010, 07:31 AM
They know have hand held devices that can see thru the walls of your home... and like I said before......keep the weapons AWAY from your property.

Twisted Titan
14th June 2010, 07:35 AM
Or buy lots of pvc pipe, grease and a shovel to hide the best weaps. Make sure to have a junky weap for the vultures to stea... errrmm confiscate.

After the initial sweeps are finished dig a couple up and carry on.


If it's time to bury 'em, it's time to dig 'em up.




WHEN INJUSTICE BECOMES LAW

REBELLION BECOMES DUTY.

iOWNme
14th June 2010, 07:38 AM
Or buy lots of pvc pipe, grease and a shovel to hide the best weaps. Make sure to have a junky weap for the vultures to stea... errrmm confiscate.

After the initial sweeps are finished dig a couple up and carry on.


If it's time to bury 'em, it's time to dig 'em up.




WHEN INJUSTICE BECOMES LAW

REBELLION BECOMES DUTY.


Great Quote!

Twisted Titan
14th June 2010, 07:54 AM
The theme is timeless.........

iOWNme
14th June 2010, 08:05 AM
The theme is timeless.........


Damn that flag stirs my emotions!

Where does it originate?

Twisted Titan
14th June 2010, 08:33 AM
http://www.zazzle.com/resistance+to+tyrants+is+obedience+to+god+gifts

You can get it on Tee shirts and mugs if you are inclinced

I dont know what the official name of this Flag is but I think it has been refered to as a Jefferson Flag" since the quote is familiar with him


I would love to have one hanging on my house.


T

iOWNme
14th June 2010, 09:06 AM
http://www.zazzle.com/resistance+to+tyrants+is+obedience+to+god+gifts

You can get it on Tee shirts and mugs if you are inclinced

I dont know what the official name of this Flag is but I think it has been refered to as a Jefferson Flag" since the quote is familiar with him


I would love to have one hanging on my house.


T


Thanks T!

Just ordered a grey T-shirt. IM with you though, i want a flag! Still searching....

Just had an idea to stopping gun control: How do we make our own? ;)

sirgonzo420
14th June 2010, 09:20 AM
Or buy lots of pvc pipe, grease and a shovel to hide the best weaps. Make sure to have a junky weap for the vultures to stea... errrmm confiscate.

After the initial sweeps are finished dig a couple up and carry on.


If it's time to bury 'em, it's time to dig 'em up.






I go by the thought that the confiscation raids will take place with a complete media black-out. That said, it is better to have most weaps hidden safely just incase your door gets kicked in at 2 a.m. Sure alot of folks here say if/when that happens they will open fire, but that is a useless death of a patriot imo. As for myself, I will let them take "all they can find" ( 1 junk weap, maybe 2 ), get my "thanks for your gun/s good citizen papers" and then grab my shovel to dig things up.




I see what you are saying, but if my door gets kicked in at 2AM and jack-booted-thugs try to take my guns, I will be returning fire. I just can't see myself turning over a "decoy gun" and hoping they don't cart me off to some camp or shoot me on the spot.

Perhaps it would be prudent to have a rifle or two (with ammo) in the ground, but even then, I will still not just hand over weapons to someone who just kicked down my door in the middle of the night.

What if, during their media-blackout-gun-confiscation-mission they decided just to massacre people before/after disarmament?

Anybody who comes breaking into my house at any hour will be dealt with the same - they will be shot until dead, until I run out of ammunition, or until I am no longer capable of returning fire.

I am a peaceful man, and I don't seek trouble, but dammit if someone busts down my door at 2AM for whatever reason, they will be met with one pissed off, armed mofo.

iOWNme
14th June 2010, 09:37 AM
Or buy lots of pvc pipe, grease and a shovel to hide the best weaps. Make sure to have a junky weap for the vultures to stea... errrmm confiscate.

After the initial sweeps are finished dig a couple up and carry on.


If it's time to bury 'em, it's time to dig 'em up.






I go by the thought that the confiscation raids will take place with a complete media black-out. That said, it is better to have most weaps hidden safely just incase your door gets kicked in at 2 a.m. Sure alot of folks here say if/when that happens they will open fire, but that is a useless death of a patriot imo. As for myself, I will let them take "all they can find" ( 1 junk weap, maybe 2 ), get my "thanks for your gun/s good citizen papers" and then grab my shovel to dig things up.




I am a peaceful man, and I don't seek trouble, but dammit if someone busts down my door at 2AM for whatever reason, they will be met with one pissed off, armed mofo.


+100000000000000000000 for TRUTH.

Quantum
14th June 2010, 12:08 PM
Or buy lots of pvc pipe, grease and a shovel to hide the best weaps. Make sure to have a junky weap for the vultures to stea... errrmm confiscate.

After the initial sweeps are finished dig a couple up and carry on.


Time for confiscation = time for use.

Quantum
14th June 2010, 12:10 PM
That said, it is better to have most weaps hidden safely just incase your door gets kicked in at 2 a.m. Sure alot of folks here say if/when that happens they will open fire, but that is a useless death of a patriot imo. As for myself, I will let them take "all they can find" ( 1 junk weap, maybe 2 ), get my "thanks for your gun/s good citizen papers" and then grab my shovel to dig things up.


Your "strategy" depends on the improbability they don't simply "confiscate" you along with your guns.

Opening fire at home means you die on your feet.

"Going quietly" means you die on your knees, helpless.