Ancient Mysteries - Puma Punku in Tiahuanac

[Serpo]

The Ancient Structures

They are arguably the oldest, and most baffling ruins on the face of the Earth. It is hard to imagine how they did not come to be known as one of the wonders of the world like the Great Pyramid. Spectacular in its own right, the Great Pyramid is, yet it pales in comparison to the ruins of Puma Punku in Tiahuanaco, in South America.

The ruins of Puma Punku are one of four structures in the ancient city of Tiahuanaco. The others three structures are; The Akapana Pyramid, the Kalasasaya Platform, and the Subterranean Temple.

Even with modern day technology and information, these structures defy logic, and confound those who seek to solve the mysteries that lie within them. The ruins of Puma Punku are said to be the most fascinating, and most confusing of all.

Who built these structures?

How were these structures built?

Why were these structures built?

These are all questions on the minds of those researching these ancient structures, and they are not easily answerable, if they can even be answered at all.


If pyramids were more than difficult to create several thousand years ago, then how much more difficult would it have been to build Puma Punku?

Puma Punku is believed to have once contained a great wharf, and a massive four part structure. Yet all that remains today are megalithic ruins from some cataclysmic event in history. A great earthquake? A comet that came too close to the Earth? A worldwide flood? These are all possible causes to the destruction of the once great structure that is now the ruins of Puma Punku.

Not only is there evidence to support the claim of a cataclysmic flood, but there is even evidence to support the theory that people once lived there before such a flood even occurred. The suspected flood could have happened somewhere around 12,000 years ago, and there is scientific evidence of tools, bones, and other material within flood alluvia, which suggests that a civilized people were there prior to any flood. Other evidence, that being carvings of bearded people that are not Andean, have been recorded throughout the area.

Could the ruins of Puma Punku be evidence of a long lost civilization?

and plenty more..............http://hubpages.com/hub/Ancient-Mysteries-Puma-Punku-in-Tiahuanaco

[undgrd]

Puma Punku is the ONLY place outside the US I would like to see one day. The engineering feats that had to be overcome to build it are mind boggling.

[NOOB]

I just watched a history channel show on ancient astronauts. They showed the ruins at Puma Punku. Very interesting stuff.

[Ponce]

Remember that some of those rocks used for walls and other structures are over half a millions pounds......how the hell did they chapped, transported and lifted those rocks is not known.

Cities at the top of mountains that were brought from elsewhere, how did they take them up the mountains?........even now days we cannot do it.

[kregener]

A.D. 536–600 is hardly the oldest ruins on earth.

[Gaillo]

A.D. 536–600 is hardly the oldest ruins on earth.



Not only is there evidence to support the claim of a cataclysmic flood, but there is even evidence to support the theory that people once lived there before such a flood even occurred. The suspected flood could have happened somewhere around 12,000 years ago, and there is scientific evidence of tools, bones, and other material within flood alluvia, which suggests that a civilized people were there prior to any flood. Other evidence, that being carvings of bearded people that are not Andean, have been recorded throughout the area.

Could the ruins of Puma Punku be evidence of a long lost civilization?

If the site pre-dates 10,000 BC (which I personally think at least parts of it do) then it would indeed be one of the oldest in the world.

[Jazkal]

Dead Mens Secrets
http://www.amazon.com/DEAD-MENS-SECRETS-Tantalising-Hints/dp/1418425559

Shows all kinds of evidence/mysteries concerning things that we can't reproduce today (from all corners of the earth).

[Ponce]

When the ice poles melts some more many wonder will be found.......remember that there was already one pole shift.

[Gaillo]

When the ice poles melts some more many wonder will be found.......remember that there was already one pole shift.


At least two that I'm aware of - with the previous poles located at the Hudson Bay, and the Yukon. The most recent pole shift occured approx. 12-13 thousand years ago, with the previous one occuring approx. 60,000 years ago.

[MAGNES]

Indo European related peoples lived in the Americas about 20,000 years
ago, there is archeology I won't link too out there that proves and shows
this from real historians, this information is not widely known nor promoted
for political reasons, doesn't jive with the brainwashing against Europeans.

Indo Europeans and related tribes built pyramids in many places, not just
Egypt.

Ancient societies had technology and means to build huge works.
The wheel is their trademark and basis for machines and mechanical
advantage and engineering.

In the Americas you see all sorts of geometric designs as well,
very Indo European and very similar to designs in Europe.

Same with knowledge of the cosmos , seasons, Sun Worship, etc.

There are even Native American legends where white men direct
the natives to help them find copper, much of this may have made
it to Europe. Trade and ties with other civilizations was very common.
People knew of each other and goods travelled long distances.

[undgrd]

Link to weird wild stuff (http://the-rabbits-hole.com/presentation/ancient/ancient_artifacts.htm)

http://www.gumbopages.com/looka/images/carson2.jpg

[keehah]

Interesting stuff.

My fanourite bits from wiki..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumapunku

The area within the kilometer separating the Pumapunku and Kalasasaya complexes has been surveyed using ground-penetrating radar, magnetometry, induced electrical conductivity, and magnetic susceptibility. The geophysical data collected from these surveys and excavations have revealed in the area between the Pumapunku and Kalasasaya complexes the presence of numerous manmade structures. These structures include the wall foundations of buildings and compounds, water conduits, pool-like features, revetments, terraces, residential compounds, and widespread gravel pavements all of which now lie buried and hidden beneath the modern ground’s surface...

It is theorized the Pumapunku complex as well as its surrounding temples, the Akapana pyramid, Kalasasaya, Putuni and Kerikala functioned as spiritual and ritual centers for the Tiwanaku. This area might have been viewed as the center of the Andean world, attracting pilgrims from far away to marvel in its beauty. These structures transformed the local landscape; Pumapunku was purposely integrated with Illimani mountain, a sacred peak that the Tiwanaku possibly believed to be home to the spirits of their dead. This area was believed to have existed between heaven and Earth. The spiritual significance and the sense of wonder would have been amplified into a "mind-altering and life-changing experience" through the use of hallucinogenic plants. Examinations of hair samples exhibit remnants of psychoactive substances in many mummies found in Tiwanaku culture mummies from Northern Chile, even those of babies as young as 1 year of age, demonstrating the importance of these substances to the Tiwanaku.

As was characteristic of civilizations around this time, the Tiwanaku actively incorporated human sacrifice into their culture. The remains of dismembered bodies have been found throughout the area. Ceramic artifacts depict imagery of warriors, masked with puma skulls, decapitating their enemies and holding trophy skulls, adorned with belts of human heads with their tongues torn out.

Peak and decline

The Tiwanaku civilization and the use of these temples appears to some to have peaked from around 700 AD to 1000 AD, by which point the temples and surrounding area may have been home to some 400,000 people. By this point, an extensive infrastructure had been developed with a complex irrigation system running over 30 square miles (80 km2) to support potatoes, quinoa, corn and other various crops. At its peak the Tiwanaku culture dominated the entire Lake Titicaca basin as well as portions of Bolivia and Chile.

The culture in question seems to have dissolved rather abruptly some time around 1000 AD and researchers are still seeking answers as to why. A likely scenario involves rapid environmental change, possibly involving an extended drought. Unable to support the massive crop yields necessary for their large population, the Tiwanaku are argued to have scattered into the local mountain ranges only to disappear shortly thereafter


Thought I would share this from further north where wood buildings rot away and the best historic site is an old garbage dump. Anyone who has driven from the airport to Vancouver drives right over this as they enter the city (coming off the bridge from the island airport).

Vancouver Sun: Great Fraser Midden (http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=4c1de35c-c326-4ca7-84fb-315504ba57ba&k=36011)

Artfully carved stone bowls and statuettes, "expertly crafted" arrowheads and tools made of stone and bone, and the remains of 100 people were found throughout the site, originally measured by Hill-Tout at about two hectares (4.5 acres). Hill-Tout measured the heap of shell fragments and other detritus at 500 metres in length and 100 metres wide at a depth of five metres in many places.

Estimates of the midden's age vary widely, but artifacts and tons of shells discarded by natives were deposited along what would have been the north bank of the Fraser River between 1,000 and 5,500 years ago.

Some Lower Mainland native sites have been dated at 9,000 years old. The Egyptian pyramids at Giza were built about 4,500 years ago.

Two astounding finds were recorded in excavations of the site. The first was a two-metre-high pyramid, or cairn, made from river rock and topped with a 20-kg stone statue. Inside the pyramid were human bone fragments packed with orange sand. Its straight-edged square base was aligned perfectly with the points of the compass.

The second find was the skeleton of a male encased in sheets of beaten copper, with a copper crown on his head. The remains of two women with smashed skulls were part of this elaborate grave.

At the lowest -- and most ancient -- level, human remains with a long skull shape were found, people physically distinct from the first nations residents living in southwestern B.C. today. T.P. Oxenham Menzies, curator of the City Museum from 1925 to 1953, said those remains could be 10,000 years old and represent a completely different and more ancient wave of migration than the one that brought today's Coast Salish people to the area. His ideas are in dispute today.

[shakinginmyshoes]

this information is not widely known nor promoted
for political reasons, doesn't jive with the brainwashing against Europeans.

Right.

Here's one:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/columbus.shtml

Stone Age Columbus



See, if feather-Indians were NOT here first, but came as invaders and took the land and slaughtered the Solutreans from Europe who were already here, then the implications of that would be, "Native Americans" are not the original owners, which means White Americans aren't evil, but just reclaiming what belongs to them.

GASP! That would cause the wealth-transference-from-Whites-to-nonWhites gravy train to come to a screeching halt! We can't have that!

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/ice_age_columbus/

[Dogman]

Google earth -Puma Punku

and fly in and have a peek, and look at the pictures at all the sites there. Amazing!


The stone work they did is beyond belief. Modern tools and stone masons would have
a hard time doing the same.

[Ares]

Google earth -Puma Punku

and fly in and have a peek, and look at the pictures at all the sites there. Amazing!


The stone work they did is beyond belief. Modern tools and stone masons would have
a hard time doing the same.


They had that site on Ancient Aliens on the history channel. They interviewed a modern stone worker and he said that he could not replicate the stone work at that site, and he's being doing stone work for over 30 years.

[sirgonzo420]

Google earth -Puma Punku

and fly in and have a peek, and look at the pictures at all the sites there. Amazing!


The stone work they did is beyond belief. Modern tools and stone masons would have
a hard time doing the same.


They had that site on Ancient Aliens on the history channel. They interviewed a modern stone worker and he said that he could not replicate the stone work at that site, and he's being doing stone work for over 30 years.


So not even masons know the secrets anymore!

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Here's the thing about ancient sites, they get rebuilt a lot.

Hypothetically, if a society does all the necessary work to determine energetically where the best spot for a temple is, they're going to keep using that spot.


Take for example, the site of Baal'Bek in Lebanon. At first, it was thought that the Romans built it, since they spent so much time there, and they clearly have records of doing some construction there.

However, it has been archaeologically proven that the foundation is thousands of years older than the Romans. The romans took the foundation, and rebuilt a temple on top of it, and dedicated it to jupiter. This does not necessarily mean that the site was originally dedicated to jupiter in any way.

You see this a lot in history. Certain people believe that certain places are more powerful than other places, so they keep rebuilding them over and over.


This is in response to the "That's not very old" comment.


That being said, the new world still has a lot of intriguing mysteries...