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Twisted Titan
16th June 2010, 02:12 PM
http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2010/06/14/social-security-and-govt-payments-go-all-electronic/


Social Security and government payments go all-electronic



Today the Treasury Department will announce that all payments from the U.S. government will be made electronically to consumers. So people receiving Social Security, Supplemental Security Income, Veterans, Railroad Retirement and U.S. government benefit recipients will receive benefits either through direct deposit into a bank account or through Treasury's Direct Express debit card.

"Today's announcement is a win-win for the American public because it makes government more convenient and cost-effective while generating significant savings for the country," says OMB Director Peter Orszag about the program that is estimated to save the government $303 million in the first five years – including $48 million annually on postage. "This is precisely the type of smart, streamlined improvement that this Administration is committed to making across government to boost efficiency and modernize how we do business."

Some experts wonder, however, how easy adapting will be, particularly for those seniors who haven't gravitated to direct deposit or debit on their own.

Some 85% of seniors already receive their Social Security payments online. For some of the rest, making the change might be a little daunting says James Van Dyke of Javelin Strategies, a researcher in the field. There are people who are consciously concerned about security, he notes, but there are others who are creatures of habit. They may work in high-tech fields with high-tech clients but they still go into bank branches to get cash. "People are wedded to the past for their financial services more than in other industries," he says. "They choose their bank because it was their parents' bank. And they have a tactile thing about a piece of paper."

David Certner, Legislative Policy Director for AARP, agrees. "This will be a challenging transition for those who have been receiving Social Security for years and are not familiar with the [new options]," he says. Particularly for the unbanked – about 4 million of whom already receive Social Security. For those who are patronizing often-pricey check-cashing outposts, the debit card (which allows one free cash withdrawal from an ATM per pay period with additional ATM uses at 90 cents apiece) will be a savings. But not all unbanked seniors go that route, he notes. Some banks will cash the checks. Some grocery stores, as well. That represents a change


The Treasury Department, noting that there are already one million of the debit cards in use, has several mechanisms in place to make for easier adoption. First, a leisurely timetable. New recipients of Social Security and other government benefits as of March 1, 2011 will receive their benefits electronically. If you're already receiving benefits, you have until March 1, 2013 to convert (though you could choose to do so tomorrow.) A call center will be staffed to answer questions.

Finally, there's the argument from a new piece of Javelin research – and it's one that reluctant seniors may not believe until they make the switch – that going paperless makes you happier. Clear the clutter, it seems, and you can stop focusing on unpaid bills and other tedium. Moreover, going paperless reduces – by half – the dissatisfaction that consumers have with whomever is sending the paper to begin with: banks, cable companies, telcos, etc.

Whether the halo effect extends to the folks in Washington remains to be seen.

Twisted Titan
16th June 2010, 02:15 PM
The Next Step...........

oldmansmith
16th June 2010, 02:17 PM
http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2010/06/14/social-security-and-govt-payments-go-all-electronic/


Social Security and government payments go all-electronic


Some experts wonder, however, how easy adapting will be, particularly for those seniors who haven't gravitated to direct deposit or debit on their own.




So, some of them have gone from gold coins, to silver coins, to paper money, to dots and dashes in the ether. The next step will not be good.

Edit: You beat me to it TT!

iOWNme
16th June 2010, 02:19 PM
Good find T....

My buddy works at Einsteins Bagels. This is a huge Corporation. They have NO OPTION for a paper check. It is either direct deposit, or he has a 'debit card', that is for his paycheck only. They charge him .75$ everytime he uses the card!


F U C K THIS USURY BASED DIGITAL SATAN SYSTEM!

Twisted Titan
16th June 2010, 02:20 PM
This is precisely the type of smart, streamlined improvement that this Administration is committed to making across government to boost efficiency and modernize how we do business."


This will also be a great convience when the bank holidays start Bernake will only have one switch to flip to shut everything down on Sunday evening .


T

Twisted Titan
16th June 2010, 02:22 PM
Good find T....

My buddy works at Einsteins Bagels. This is a huge Corporation. They have NO OPTION for a paper check. It is either direct deposit, or he has a 'debit card', that is for his paycheck only. They charge him .75$ everytime he uses the card!


f * c k THIS USURY BASED DIGITAL SATAN SYSTEM!



That is exactly what they want

That want to charge for the "privilage" of them paying you your paycheck.

The same thing is happening with unemployment benifits in certain parts.

T

Dave Thomas
16th June 2010, 02:23 PM
Oh and they'll remove the taxes before it hits your bank, that way you won't have to worry about it.

Ponce
16th June 2010, 03:30 PM
Well folks..........remember that I told you about the "Devit-Credit Card?", I for one didn't even know that they had a "Treasury's Direct Express debit card" and to me that's the first step to the holy card coming down the road.

Skirnir
16th June 2010, 03:53 PM
I do not see this as a particularly big development in terms of a control grid.

First, if one is working formally, the employer already reports the income to the government and pays the 7.5% SS tax and any income tax with-holding, so the salary information is already in the system.

Second, in order to cash a paper cheque, one needs to cash it at a bank with the exception of a few cheque-cashing places, and they require a chequeing account in order to do so, which with the P*****T Act requires identity verification.

Ponce
16th June 2010, 05:53 PM
Well, I for one pay in cash for about 80% of what I buy.........why help Uncle Sam kepp track of what you do and when?

Have no debit card and use my credit card only to buy on line.......payable at the end of every month.

Skirnir
16th June 2010, 06:15 PM
The option for direct deposit is still available, so the deposit can be withdrawn in cash. I do the same thing i.e. operate mostly on a cash basis, but make weekly food and ancillary purchases to present the illusion that the card is used for 'everyday purchase'. That said, bank records can be subpoenaed, so assume that if it goes through a bank, it is recorded.

That said, it would be unethical to produce phony records that indicates precious metals or other items have been sold. It would be even more unethical to have one of the local gold-buying people sign off on them, especially if he happens to work on an informal basis. I'm serious, please do not get the wrong idea!

Quantum
16th June 2010, 06:30 PM
Use the Treasury Direct card, remove the cash at Chase ATMs, and then screw the banks out of additional fees and obscure how you use your money.