KingTheoden
16th June 2010, 09:46 PM
The artist formerly known as KingTheoden is back on the remnants of GIM!
I've been keeping close track of the oil crisis and have relied on Jones' sites for great information (e.g., Lindsey Williams, William Engdhal, etc.)
However, today he stated that 'it's no big deal,' 'not important,' and that 'it's an inside job.'
His evidence is risable and plays right into the hands of those who want to point the kooky stick at his listeners. Let's go point by point as to his 'evidence.'
1) BP President and Goldman Sachs dumped significant share of BP stock.
Yes, this is true. But two points to consider before making a mile wide leap.
First, if one were too look at the stock activities of banks and executives over the past few months, I am sure most instances would indicate distributions. This is because we are headed for another stock market selloff, possibly as soon as this Fall, that will be even worse than in October 2008. The world elite are keenly aware of this and are preparing themselves for a second round of serious price plunges in equities.
Second, Lindsey Williams reminded Alex that the elite are occultists and as a matter of course seek to obtain knowledge from the ‘spirit world’ (in truth, from fallen Angels, known otherwise as demons.) This has a rich history as ancient civilizations consulted oracles and mystics and would be given pieces of information – of course at a serious price. This could have been a factor in the stock sales, however I think that the above paragraph would sufficiently explain things.
2) It’s just a distraction!
Well, that just does not stack up with the reportage. At all.
BP initially reported that the leak was around 5,000 barrels. Even after field experts proved using legitimate science that this just wasn’t so, the media reported the leak as 5,000 barrels.
On in the past two weeks has the media begun to cover the story with any real gusto; Sen. Nelson’s public statement that oil might be leaking from the ocean floor, the ‘on background’ admissions from two BP employees that the well was ruptured, and Matt Simmon’s vocal assertion that there was a colossal cover up, then CNN and MSNC begin treating this as a big story.
Even still, the media giants are not reporting on William Engdal’s confirmed report that the Russian energy ministry has information that BP has used over one million gallons of Corexit. BP is obvious using the dispersant in a wantonly hazardous manner to prevent truly breathtaking images of oil; using this much of the chemical keeps much of the oil out of sight (under the surface.) Of course they don’t care that this could potentially give all us East Coasters lung cancer; Beyond Petroleum is desperate to retain its expensive PR image.
3) The oil will break down on its own!
Alex, buddy, are you tuned into reality? No, petroleum does not ‘go away on its own.’ Any animal that has the misfortune of getting oiled is assured death because oil is very hard for us men to clean off even with soap; poor animals don’t stand a chance.
Furthermore, the quantities of oil we are talking about are so massive that there is a legitimate fear of a Gulf-wide ecological break down. Best case, it could take decades to get marine life back up to allow fishing and harvesting.
The entire Gulf economy has suddenly been crushed as family businesses are suddenly ended and tourism will fall off a cliff.
4) BP proceeded with its drilling even through the rig workers said No. It’s a conspiracy!!!
Uhm, Beavis, corporate heads are usually devoid of any motivation other than money and consolidated power. It is very, very common therefore for them to engage in reckless behavior.
Mat Simmons claims that BP employed various costs savings, such as not reinforcing the pipe completely but rather leaving intervals less protected. This isn’t a conspiracy other than the fruit of the overuse of ‘Lean/ Six Sigma’ methodologies that result in constant company cannibalism and poorer service or quality. But done enough times, and if the models hold up, it is profitable to do so.
5) The clean up effort is terrible/Feds blocking local action.
Of course they are. Anyone who has dealt with the government for anything will tell you that simple, basic things can take months because of how poor the system is. Moreover, our leaders usually have not the slightest clue how to manage a janitor’s closet let alone a 120,000 barrel a day oil leak.
6) This is how they will get Cap and Trade through. Problem reaction solution!!!
For the first five weeks, there was scant coverage of the entire incident and, to my knowledge, not a single push from anyone to revive that DOA bill. So, the problem was hidden and the media did not spin a reaction as the solution only was presented last night.
Sure, now the powers that be will try to make use of this event, but that is totally different than they contriving it. It should be noted, that Obama’s charge for the Cap and Trade was met with dud of excitement. Even Democrats are saying the bill is going nowhere because it will plunge us into a truly unstable situation: millions of people will instantly join the unemployed or be unable to pay basic necessities and local governments will see tax revenues evaporate.
‘They’ will push for Cap and Trade but the attempt to spin it into the solution to the current crisis thus far has fallen flat on its face.
Alex, please understand that it is because you have done such fine work that I am posting this. By taking the indefensible position that this either ‘’isn’t serious†or “had to be a ultra conspiracy,†you invite the likes of Chris Matthews to belittle you.
Lindsey Williams gave it to you straight; not every disaster is on purpose. You have to accept that the powers that be are not invincible and cannot prevent accidents if they act recklessly.
In the meanwhile, downplaying this story is making you look terrible to your listeners. This is the fundamental issue for which we should all be praying a solution and keeping daily track of.
KingTheoden/Prop Joe.
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I've been keeping close track of the oil crisis and have relied on Jones' sites for great information (e.g., Lindsey Williams, William Engdhal, etc.)
However, today he stated that 'it's no big deal,' 'not important,' and that 'it's an inside job.'
His evidence is risable and plays right into the hands of those who want to point the kooky stick at his listeners. Let's go point by point as to his 'evidence.'
1) BP President and Goldman Sachs dumped significant share of BP stock.
Yes, this is true. But two points to consider before making a mile wide leap.
First, if one were too look at the stock activities of banks and executives over the past few months, I am sure most instances would indicate distributions. This is because we are headed for another stock market selloff, possibly as soon as this Fall, that will be even worse than in October 2008. The world elite are keenly aware of this and are preparing themselves for a second round of serious price plunges in equities.
Second, Lindsey Williams reminded Alex that the elite are occultists and as a matter of course seek to obtain knowledge from the ‘spirit world’ (in truth, from fallen Angels, known otherwise as demons.) This has a rich history as ancient civilizations consulted oracles and mystics and would be given pieces of information – of course at a serious price. This could have been a factor in the stock sales, however I think that the above paragraph would sufficiently explain things.
2) It’s just a distraction!
Well, that just does not stack up with the reportage. At all.
BP initially reported that the leak was around 5,000 barrels. Even after field experts proved using legitimate science that this just wasn’t so, the media reported the leak as 5,000 barrels.
On in the past two weeks has the media begun to cover the story with any real gusto; Sen. Nelson’s public statement that oil might be leaking from the ocean floor, the ‘on background’ admissions from two BP employees that the well was ruptured, and Matt Simmon’s vocal assertion that there was a colossal cover up, then CNN and MSNC begin treating this as a big story.
Even still, the media giants are not reporting on William Engdal’s confirmed report that the Russian energy ministry has information that BP has used over one million gallons of Corexit. BP is obvious using the dispersant in a wantonly hazardous manner to prevent truly breathtaking images of oil; using this much of the chemical keeps much of the oil out of sight (under the surface.) Of course they don’t care that this could potentially give all us East Coasters lung cancer; Beyond Petroleum is desperate to retain its expensive PR image.
3) The oil will break down on its own!
Alex, buddy, are you tuned into reality? No, petroleum does not ‘go away on its own.’ Any animal that has the misfortune of getting oiled is assured death because oil is very hard for us men to clean off even with soap; poor animals don’t stand a chance.
Furthermore, the quantities of oil we are talking about are so massive that there is a legitimate fear of a Gulf-wide ecological break down. Best case, it could take decades to get marine life back up to allow fishing and harvesting.
The entire Gulf economy has suddenly been crushed as family businesses are suddenly ended and tourism will fall off a cliff.
4) BP proceeded with its drilling even through the rig workers said No. It’s a conspiracy!!!
Uhm, Beavis, corporate heads are usually devoid of any motivation other than money and consolidated power. It is very, very common therefore for them to engage in reckless behavior.
Mat Simmons claims that BP employed various costs savings, such as not reinforcing the pipe completely but rather leaving intervals less protected. This isn’t a conspiracy other than the fruit of the overuse of ‘Lean/ Six Sigma’ methodologies that result in constant company cannibalism and poorer service or quality. But done enough times, and if the models hold up, it is profitable to do so.
5) The clean up effort is terrible/Feds blocking local action.
Of course they are. Anyone who has dealt with the government for anything will tell you that simple, basic things can take months because of how poor the system is. Moreover, our leaders usually have not the slightest clue how to manage a janitor’s closet let alone a 120,000 barrel a day oil leak.
6) This is how they will get Cap and Trade through. Problem reaction solution!!!
For the first five weeks, there was scant coverage of the entire incident and, to my knowledge, not a single push from anyone to revive that DOA bill. So, the problem was hidden and the media did not spin a reaction as the solution only was presented last night.
Sure, now the powers that be will try to make use of this event, but that is totally different than they contriving it. It should be noted, that Obama’s charge for the Cap and Trade was met with dud of excitement. Even Democrats are saying the bill is going nowhere because it will plunge us into a truly unstable situation: millions of people will instantly join the unemployed or be unable to pay basic necessities and local governments will see tax revenues evaporate.
‘They’ will push for Cap and Trade but the attempt to spin it into the solution to the current crisis thus far has fallen flat on its face.
Alex, please understand that it is because you have done such fine work that I am posting this. By taking the indefensible position that this either ‘’isn’t serious†or “had to be a ultra conspiracy,†you invite the likes of Chris Matthews to belittle you.
Lindsey Williams gave it to you straight; not every disaster is on purpose. You have to accept that the powers that be are not invincible and cannot prevent accidents if they act recklessly.
In the meanwhile, downplaying this story is making you look terrible to your listeners. This is the fundamental issue for which we should all be praying a solution and keeping daily track of.
KingTheoden/Prop Joe.
It