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Ponce
17th June 2010, 08:02 PM
To me that means that they are now tree times in more trouble than before, can't wait to see how the Zionist will want their "fair" share.
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Afghan mineral wealth may be at least $3 trillion.

Afghanistan gears up to award contracts for vast iron ore deposits in peaceful province

An Afghan journalist walks by precious stones on display as he attends a press conference of Afghan Minister of Mines Wahidullah Shahrani in Kabul, Afghanistan on Thursday, June 17, 2010. An Afghan mining official says the untapped minerals in the war-torn country are worth at least $3 trillion, triple a U.S. estimate. (AP Photo/Musadeq Sadeq)

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -- Afghanistan is gearing up to award contracts to mine one the world's largest iron ore deposits buried in a peaceful province of the nation that has at least $3 trillion in untapped minerals, the country's top mining official said Thursday.

Geologists have known for decades about Afghanistan's vast deposits of iron, copper, cobalt, gold and other prized minerals, but a U.S. Department of Defense briefing earlier this week put a startling, nearly $1 trillion price tag on the reserves.

Afghanistan's Minister of Mines Wahidullah Shahrani called that a conservative estimate. He said he's seen geological assessments and industry reports estimating the nation's mineral wealth at $3 trillion or more.

For Afghanistan, a war-torn, landlocked country with virtually no exports, it is a potential windfall, although formidable obstacles remain including lack of investment, infrastructure and adequate security in most of the nation.

"The ministry has been working closely with the international organizations, including the World Bank, the U.S. Geological Survey and the international mining and finance community for some time to ensure all of the Afghan people benefit from our rich natural resources for decades to come," he said.

Shahrani plans to travel to Britain next week to present 200 foreign businessmen with information about the estimated 2 billion tons of iron ore at Hajigak in Bamiyan province, where the Taliban and other insurgents have no significant presence. The project is to be bid on this fall with contracts awarded late this year or early next year, he said.

Critics of the war in Afghanistan have been skeptical that the dollar amount of the country's untapped minerals was being promoted at a time when violence is on the upswing and the international community is hungry for positive developments in the nearly 9-year-old war.

They argue that if impoverished Afghanistan is seen as having a bright economic future, it could help foreign governments persuade their war-fatigued publics that securing the country is worth the fight and loss of troops.

But Shahrani insisted that the release of the information, first reported earlier this week by The New York Times, followed months of work to assess the mineral deposits, sometimes with the aid of data compiled by the former Soviet Union when it was fighting in Afghanistan.

A. Rahman Ashraf, senior adviser to the minister of mines, said that during decades of conflict, an Afghan geologist safeguarded data about the mineral reserves at home. He said the geologist, who has died, gave the information back to the government in 2002 and that since then, it has been used to help make modern assessments of the deposits.

Shahrani said the Ministry of Mines and the U.S. Geological Survey had been sharing information for months.

"We were just waiting for the exchange of information from Washington to Kabul," Shahrani said.

Shahrani added that the ministry recently completed a business plan to restructure, reform and modernize the ministry and improve oversight to international standards. He said those efforts coupled with new minerals and hydrocarbon laws will work to improve the transparency and efficiency of mining in the nation.

Still, without increased security and massive investment to mine and transport the minerals, it could take years for Afghanistan to bank the rewards. A rail line, for instance, is needed before any iron ore could be transported from Bamiyan. And there's always the potential that such a discovery could bring unintended consequences, such as corruption and competition among nations for access to the resources.

In November, two U.S. officials familiar with intelligence reports alleged that Afghanistan's former minister of mines, Mohammad Ibrahim Adel, accepted $20 million after a $3 billion contract to mine copper was awarded in late 2007 to China Metallurgical Group Corp. The former minister has denied having taken any bribes and said the contract went through all legal channels.

Aynak, a former al-Qaida stronghold 21 miles (35 kilometers) southeast of Kabul, is thought to hold one of the world's largest unexploited copper reserves. Mining the copper could produce 4,000 to 5,000 Afghan jobs in the next five years and hundreds of millions of dollars a year to the government treasury, Shahrani said.

Craig Andrews, a lead mining specialist for the World Bank, said Aynak was expected to start producing copper within two to three years. Production of iron ore at Hajigak could begin in five to seven years, and possibly sooner, he said.

Andrews noted that studies show that every mining job creates five to 10 other jobs.

"Clearly, these mines will have a huge economic stimulus effect on not only the national economy, but the region in which they are located in," Andrews said. "I think when people have jobs and they have an income, they have a stake in the future and the future does not include insecurity. I think once the communities are anchored in an economy that gives them jobs money and income they would be less inclined to support the Taliban or other insurgent groups."

He said the government, however, must guard against raising the expectations of the Afghan public.

Otherwise, "people are going to go off and pick up a rock and think that they can go to the bank," he said. "Unfortunately the business doesn't operate that way. It takes a lot longer."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Afghan-mineral-wealth-may-be-apf-3305688522.html?x=0

JohnQPublic
17th June 2010, 08:16 PM
Ponce:

Not disagreeing, but just looking at another viewpoint.

Cutting Through The BS Of The Afghanistan Resource "Bonanza" (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/cutting-through-bs-afghanistan-resource-bonanza)

By Louis James of Casey's International Speculator

Geological anomalies are like opinions: Everybody has one

There’s a great deal of chatter in the press and online about the tremendous US$1-trillion-dollar mineral “discovery” in Afghanistan headlined by The New York Times recently. Most of the discussion seems to centre on whether or not this is really news and whether or not the NYT was played by the powers that be for purposes of their own. Few, if any, people seem to be questioning the value of the so-called discovery itself. The US$1-trillion-dollar figure, at best, cannot be anything more than the wildest of hopeful guesses.

One does not have to be a geologist or an engineer to understand why. When geologists find outcropping mineralization, or other signs that an economic deposit of minerals may be present, that is not called a discovery. Even if the signs come from the latest scientific equipment flown over the country, as the U.S. government appears to have used, the result is still just an anomaly: a hopeful indication of where to look. And anomalies are like opinions: Everybody has one.

Once an anomaly is identified, it takes extensive and very expensive field work to determine the best locations for drilling holes in the ground, which you have to do to calculate a volume of mineralized rock, from which you can estimate the metal contained. It usually takes at least a year, and often several, to identify targets for drilling. And drilling off a deposit of any significant size takes several more years, usually after many false starts and setbacks, because you can’t see through rock to know where the goods are.

But even after you drill off a deposit, and know how big it is, how deep it is, and roughly what’s in it, you still don’t know what it’s worth. For that, you have to conduct extensive testing on the mineralized material, not just to quantify the metals or other desirable minerals within but also to see if there are contaminants, or other elements present that can complicate, or even make impossible the economic recovery of the valuable mineral.

In short, until you know how much it would cost to mine and process any sort of mineralized material into a saleable product, like gold bars, copper concentrate, etc., you cannot say what it’s worth. Even a huge deposit of gold may be completely worthless if the grade is low and there’s lots of carbon that would mess up the gold recovery.

Now, back to Afghanistan. A “small team of Pentagon officials and American geologists” cannot possibly have drilled off these deposits, let alone done the engineering required to value them. At very best, they’ve spotted some outcrops and taken some samples. This is not a discovery — no serious exploration geologist would call anything a discovery until enough holes have been drilled into it to outline a significant volume of potentially economic material.

What we have here is a regional survey that may or may not lead to significant discoveries.

Where do they get the trillion-dollar figure? We can only guess but given their own description, they cannot have done the work necessary to generate any reasonable estimate. It’s worth pointing out that the vast majority of mineral outcroppings and other anomalies never lead to economic discoveries, much less mines. Even a very rich vein sticking right out on surface can turn out to be the last dregs of a system that has been eroded away, leaving nothing but a tease behind. For gold, the odds of an anomaly leading to an economic discovery are often cited as being on the order of 300 to one, against.

No responsible geologist would circulate a valuation figure at this stage of the process in Afghanistan. In fact, if a public company put out a press release like this story in the NYT, the exchange would likely reprimand it severely and require a retraction.

Now, the soldier quoted admits that “There are a lot of ifs,” but that does not excuse putting out the US$1-trillion figure, a number that cannot be reasonably supported at this point.

Note that this doesn’t mean the minerals are not there — Afghanistan has, for obvious reasons, not seen any modern exploration, or even antiquated exploration, for decades. It is, in all likelihood, a terrific place to look for minerals. But the government’s story sounds like the sort of PR stunt put out by Pink Sheet scammers.

It will take time for any real discoveries to be made, especially given the time required to draft a workable mining law and for physical security to be established in the country. It would be a great benefit to the people of Afghanistan, and of the world, if this would happen

Gaillo
18th June 2010, 12:10 AM
Whether or not the mineral resources pan out, Afghanistan has an UNDENIABLE wealth of two other resources... opium and overland pipeline route. Those two alone are MORE than enough for TPTB to continue fighting and occupying the place.

gunDriller
18th June 2010, 05:27 AM
i don't doubt that there may be untold riches there.

maybe it will work out better than Caspian Sea oil.

they were expecting 200 billion barrels + , e.g. 2 Iraq' (Iraq has 110 billion barrels).

they got ... 40 billion barrels.

the news came out early in the Bush admin & some think it created the urgency to get US troops into Iraq.

Bullfrog
18th June 2010, 07:57 AM
Geologists have known for decades about Afghanistan's vast deposits of iron, copper, cobalt, gold and other prized minerals, but a U.S. Department of Defense briefing earlier this week put a startling, nearly $1 trillion price tag on the reserves.

This is an amazing display of newsmanship...Just like 1984.
Last week the story was that this was a brand new recently discovered treasure trove.

Known for decades... And they wonder why people don't buy newspapers anymore.

Ponce
18th June 2010, 08:42 AM
In the Viet Nam era I was part of a discovery team that were drilling and looking for oil for future use......every time they found something they would cap the well, marked it on a map and leave for the next one.....I did it for only for about three months.

We don't know for how long the US were looking for richness in Afghanistan, it could have been for years and years.........and besides the US were also using old maps from the Russians who were also looking for minerals.........and who knows what else from the 40's and 50's before all this fighting started and were simply put away and told to no one.

JohnQPublic
18th June 2010, 12:07 PM
In the Viet Nam era I was part of a discovery team that were drilling and looking for oil for future use......every time they found something they would cap the well, marked it on a map and leave for the next one.....I did it for only for about three months.

We don't know for how long the US were looking for richness in Afghanistan, it could have been for years and years.........and besides the US were also using old maps from the Russians who were also looking for minerals.........and who knows what else from the 40's and 50's before all this fighting started and were simply put away and told to no one.


Sounds like the Spanish in the New World. The only difference about it is that they did not hide it. The Queen said, here are some funds, bring back gold!

Ponce
18th June 2010, 12:14 PM
Many times the political conditions or the know how is not up to bringing anything out into the open..........sometimes they keep it as a secret as a reserve.

Hatha Sunahara
20th June 2010, 10:28 AM
Here is yet another view:

http://tarpley.net/2010/06/18/afghan-mineral-wealth-designed-to-prolong-us-occupation/

Why announce this now? The neocons are promoting the candidacy of Gen. Petraeus as Emperor. The guy certainly has enough fruit salad and birdshit on his uniform--must qualify him to be Emperor. Hail Caesar!

Hatha

willie pete
20th June 2010, 10:56 AM
I think they've known about this for a long time, Afghanistan is a country stuck in the 1st century, like so many others in that region and around the world, even IF Afghanistan had millions of tons of gold, silver, copper, whatever you want, it'd do no one any good, you'd have to spend a trillion to get it out to market, there's NO infra-structure there, no railways, to speak of, no refineries, utilities, processors,...nothing; and besides being a logistical and geographical nightmare the biggest obstacle would be the people, it's a tribal system by and large, they've been fighting and killing each other for how many centuries now? they only ban somewhat together when a foreign power comes in, when they leave, it's back to business at hand, right now the ONLY resource Afghanistan has; is to supply the world with opium to make heroin, think about that, you have GOV'T sanctioned/sponsored drug trafficking :lol