Jindal tries to save LA beaches, USCG stops it over extinguishers, vests regs

[Quantum]

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spill-gov-bobby-jindals-wishes-crude/story?id=10946379

BP Oil Spill: Against Gov. Jindal's Wishes, Crude-Sucking Barges Stopped by Coast Guard
59 Days Into Oil Crisis, Gulf Coast Governors Say Feds Are Failing Them
By DAVID MUIR and BRADLEY BLACKBURN

June 17, 2010—

Eight days ago, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal ordered barges to begin vacuuming crude oil out of his state's oil-soaked waters. Today, against the governor's wishes, those barges sat idle, even as more oil flowed toward the Louisiana shore.

"It's the most frustrating thing," the Republican governor said today in Buras, La. "Literally, yesterday morning we found out that they were halting all of these barges."

Watch "World News" for David Muir's report from Louisiana tonight.

Sixteen barges sat stationary today, although they were sucking up thousands of gallons of BP's oil as recently as Tuesday. Workers in hazmat suits and gas masks pumped the oil out of the Louisiana waters and into steel tanks. It was a homegrown idea that seemed to be effective at collecting the thick gunk.

"These barges work. You've seen them work. You've seen them suck oil out of the water," said Jindal.

Coast Guard Orders Barges to Stop

So why stop now?

"The Coast Guard came and shut them down," Jindal said. "You got men on the barges in the oil, and they have been told by the Coast Guard, 'Cease and desist. Stop sucking up that oil.'"

A Coast Guard representative told ABC News today that it shares the same goal as the governor.

"We are all in this together. The enemy is the oil," said Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr. Dan Lauer.

But the Coast Guard ordered the stoppage because of reasons that Jindal found frustrating. The Coast Guard needed to confirm that there were fire extinguishers and life vests on board, and then it had trouble contacting the people who built the barges.

Louisiana Governor Couldn't Overrule Coast Guard

The governor said he didn't have the authority to overrule the Coast Guard's decision, though he said he tried to reach the White House to raise his concerns.

"They promised us they were going to get it done as quickly as possible," he said. But "every time you talk to someone different at the Coast Guard, you get a different answer."

After Jindal strenuously made his case, the barges finally got the go-ahead today to return to the Gulf and get back to work, after more than 24 hours of sitting idle.

Along Gulf Coast, Governors Ask, 'Who's In Charge?'

Fifty-nine days into the crisis, it still can be tough to figure out who is in charge in Louisiana, and the problem appears to be the same in other Gulf Coast states.

In Alabama today, Gov. Bob Riley said that he's had problems with the Coast Guard, too.

Riley, R-Ala., asked the Coast Guard to find ocean boom tall enough to handle strong waves and protect his shoreline.

The Coast Guard went all the way to Bahrain to find it, but when it came time to deploy it?

"It was picked up and moved to Louisiana," Riley said today.

The governor said the problem is there's still no single person giving a "yes" or "no." While the Gulf Coast governors have developed plans with the Coast Guard's command center in the Gulf, things begin to shift when other agencies start weighing in, like the Environmental Protection Agency and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

"It's like this huge committee down there," Riley said, "and every decision that we try to implement, any one person on that committee has absolute veto power."

[Carbon]

The Coast Guard needed to confirm that there were fire extinguishers and life vests on board,

As supposed 'free' American citizens, it's impossible to enjoy the water without having to deal with these heavily armed dildos. Any supposed Constitutional rights end at the shoreline. If you're on a boat, you're somehow in a foreign country subject to the whims of the USCG.

But worse, they're now impeding catastrophic emergency efforts... the fvckers should be used by the good people of Louisiana as human sops to gather that oil, face first.

"We're from the government... ."

[palani]

Who would be responsible for the deaths if a barge sank without enough life preservers or a fire started without enough extinguishers? Which laws established by congress for U.S. documented vessels are voluntary?

Jindal might have ordered a Louisiana Republic flag on each of these vessels and they each become foreign flag. Why didn't he do so?

[Carbon]

Who would be responsible for the deaths if a barge sank without enough life preservers or a fire started without enough extinguishers? Which laws established by congress for U.S. documented vessels are voluntary?

Jindal might have ordered a Louisiana Republic flag on each of these vessels and they each become foreign flag. Why didn't he do so?


Are you in support of this nonsense based on some assumed 'responsibility' or some bullshit law that CONgress created - or some USG arm that regularly interferes in the lives of free people to the point of zealousness because they have a badge and a gun?

I'm not sure what your implying.

[palani]

Are you in support of this nonsense based on some assumed 'responsibility' or some bullsh*t law that CONgress created - or some USG arm that regularly interferes in the lives of free people to the point of zealousness because they have a badge and a gun?

I'm not sure what your implying.
The USCG has no option. They are charged with enforcing U.S. law on U.S. vessels. Iif you fly the U.S. flag you obey all U.S. laws. On the other hand, if you fly a foreign flag (Louisiana) you obey the law of that flag.

Change the flag and you will change the applicable law.

[DMac]

It's crazy. BP is telling folks not to use respirators during the cleanup and the Coast Guard is forcibly stopping boats from cleaning up due to a need to confirm! there are life jackets aboard.

Excellent priorities. Next will be all beach cleanup workers will need to fill out timecards stating they have had proper lunch and nappy time in between shifts. Failure to do so results in triple pay and forced paid vacation.

Nevermind that the relief workers are likely to get lung diseases or cancers cleaning this crap...

[JDRock]

.....the rest of the civilized world is laughing its ass off at the utter impotence and STUPIDITY of this administration.

[Ponce]

And by our own hands we shall die...........

"And many will die"... Ponce

[Quantum]

Change the flag and you will change the applicable law.


LOL

I suppose you truly believe this bullshit?

US Government power does not depend on a piece of cloth, gold-fringed or not. It depends SOLELY upon the power that proceeds out of the barrel of a gun.

[Quantum]

.....the rest of the civilized world is laughing its ass off at the utter impotence and STUPIDITY of this administration.


I'm still laughing at the American morons who voted for this. They wanted a Niqqer "president," and they GOT a Niqqer "president."

[palani]

I suppose you truly believe this bullsh*t?

US Government power does not depend on a piece of cloth, gold-fringed or not. It depends SOLELY upon the power that proceeds out of the barrel of a gun.


I believe there are only two types of aliens ... friendly and enemy. As long as there are no declared war then all aliens I am likely to meet are of the friendly persuasion. Should a war be declared then ALL of that alien nationality upon which war is inevitable now fit into the enemy category. In that event the following maxim of law applies


Silent leges inter arma. laws are silent amidst arms.

Are you so intimidated by arms that you ignore law? What a miserable existence that must be, knowing you need not be bound by any oath for fear of arms. Don't believe for an instant that you invented the concept.


It was 82 BC, after the great civil war in ancient Rome between Marius and Sulla. Pompey the Great was in Messana, Sicily, disposing of Marius' remaining allies. When he came into Messana wielding his whole glorious army, the citizens of the town began shouting at him. They claimed that Pompey had no power in the town, according to "an ancient law of the Romans" (Plutarch, 10). However, Pompey the Great merely laughed at them, speaking his famous reply, "Stop quoting laws to us, we carry swords!"This simple little quotation demonstrates a horrible and timeless attribute of advanced civilizations, such as ancient Rome and even our United States of today.

[Carbon]

I suppose you truly believe this bullsh*t?

US Government power does not depend on a piece of cloth, gold-fringed or not. It depends SOLELY upon the power that proceeds out of the barrel of a gun.



Are you so intimidated by arms that you ignore law? What a miserable existence that must be, knowing you need not be bound by any oath for fear of arms. Don't believe for an instant that you invented the concept.


It was 82 BC, after the great civil war in ancient Rome between Marius and Sulla. Pompey the Great was in Messana, Sicily, disposing of Marius' remaining allies. When he came into Messana wielding his whole glorious army, the citizens of the town began shouting at him. They claimed that Pompey had no power in the town, according to "an ancient law of the Romans" (Plutarch, 10). However, Pompey the Great merely laughed at them, speaking his famous reply, "Stop quoting laws to us, we carry swords!"This simple little quotation demonstrates a horrible and timeless attribute of advanced civilizations, such as ancient Rome and even our United States of today.


... and when the arms are used to blow your brains across the street, leaving your body a limp pile of protoplasm - any laws or oaths are just so much wasted words and vapor.

How blissful it must be to live in such a naive state of consciousness that an oath or statute is more mighty than the sword or the gun. Noble, perhaps... but hardly a deterrent of force. And, force - or its implication - is the order of the day.

[joe_momma]

The Coast Guard move could be a politically motivated stunt by president's handlers to limit the damage to 0bama's image.

Jindal is making 0bama look bad by having partial solutions and implementing them - perfect or not, it appears to be helping.

It could be unacceptable that a REPUBLICAN governor could get credit for some of the solution.
0bama is made to look ineffective - a governor moves faster than his entire team.
Jindal keeps asking for the FED to get out of the way since they're not helping, this runs counter to 0bama's big government message.

Using the military to conduct a "safety inspection" is like taking a suspect into "protective custody".

I'm not sure this is the case, but seems plausible.

[palani]

... and when the arms are used to blow your brains across the street, leaving your body a limp pile of protoplasm - any laws or oaths are just so much wasted words and vapor. I certainly hope this does not happen to you often!


How blissful it must be to live in such a naive state of consciousness that an oath or statute is more mighty than the sword or the gun. Noble, perhaps... but hardly a deterrent of force. And, force - or its implication - is the order of the day.
Polite is generally the best deterrent of force. A good tactic is to smile a lot and ask a LOT of questions. The only class of citizen this ploy doesn't work well against is a criminal.

[k-os]

It could be unacceptable that a REPUBLICAN governor could get credit for some of the solution.
0bama is made to look ineffective - a governor moves faster than his entire team.


I like this theory, joe_momma.

[Quantum]

Jindal is making 0bama look bad by having partial solutions and implementing them - perfect or not, it appears to be helping.


Jindal WANTS to fix the problem

Obama wants the problem TO CONTINUE.

[JDRock]

...also, for YEARS ive suspected though could not confirm that greenpeace and most of the so called "environmentalist" orgs ,are owned by lg corps........this is even more apparent at the COMPLETE lack of outrage ( at leat in the press) of these self proclaimed watchdogs.

[Quantum]

...also, for YEARS ive suspected though could not confirm that greenpeace and most of the so called "environmentalist" orgs ,are owned by lg corps........this is even more apparent at the COMPLETE lack of outrage ( at leat in the press) of these self proclaimed watchdogs.


Greenpeace and PETA should be at the Mulatto House (thanks IAMIAF) all day, every day, protesting until the Obamanation actually does something to stop the spew.

But you're right, Greenpeace and PETA, et. al., are instruments of the MIC.

[JDRock]

so im not the only one who notices a suspicious LACK of protest directed toward the "mulatto house"

[k-os]

so im not the only one who notices a suspicious LACK of protest directed toward the "mulatto house"


I noticed, but I just figured it's politics.

Obama sends guys to war and there Cindy Sheehan doesn't protest at his house, or on his vacation, etc.

Obama is impotent regarding the Gulf of Mexico disaster, but all of those "green" people are silent.

The flaming libs have solidarity, regardless of what is right or wrong. Should I really be surprised?

[MAGNES]

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spill-gov-bobby-jindals-wishes-crude/story?id=10946379

BP Oil Spill: Against Gov. Jindal's Wishes, Crude-Sucking Barges Stopped by Coast Guard
59 Days Into Oil Crisis, Gulf Coast Governors Say Feds Are Failing Them
By DAVID MUIR and BRADLEY BLACKBURN

June 17, 2010—

Eight days ago, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal ordered barges to begin vacuuming crude oil out of his state's oil-soaked waters. Today, against the governor's wishes, those barges sat idle, even as more oil flowed toward the Louisiana shore.

"It's the most frustrating thing," the Republican governor said today in Buras, La. "Literally, yesterday morning we found out that they were halting all of these barges."

Watch "World News" for David Muir's report from Louisiana tonight.

Sixteen barges sat stationary today, although they were sucking up thousands of gallons of BP's oil as recently as Tuesday. Workers in hazmat suits and gas masks pumped the oil out of the Louisiana waters and into steel tanks. It was a homegrown idea that seemed to be effective at collecting the thick gunk.

"These barges work. You've seen them work. You've seen them suck oil out of the water," said Jindal.

Coast Guard Orders Barges to Stop

So why stop now?

"The Coast Guard came and shut them down," Jindal said. "You got men on the barges in the oil, and they have been told by the Coast Guard, 'Cease and desist. Stop sucking up that oil.'"

A Coast Guard representative told ABC News today that it shares the same goal as the governor.

"We are all in this together. The enemy is the oil," said Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr. Dan Lauer.

But the Coast Guard ordered the stoppage because of reasons that Jindal found frustrating. The Coast Guard needed to confirm that there were fire extinguishers and life vests on board, and then it had trouble contacting the people who built the barges.

Louisiana Governor Couldn't Overrule Coast Guard

The governor said he didn't have the authority to overrule the Coast Guard's decision, though he said he tried to reach the White House to raise his concerns.

"They promised us they were going to get it done as quickly as possible," he said. But "every time you talk to someone different at the Coast Guard, you get a different answer."

After Jindal strenuously made his case, the barges finally got the go-ahead today to return to the Gulf and get back to work, after more than 24 hours of sitting idle.

Along Gulf Coast, Governors Ask, 'Who's In Charge?'

Fifty-nine days into the crisis, it still can be tough to figure out who is in charge in Louisiana, and the problem appears to be the same in other Gulf Coast states.

In Alabama today, Gov. Bob Riley said that he's had problems with the Coast Guard, too.

Riley, R-Ala., asked the Coast Guard to find ocean boom tall enough to handle strong waves and protect his shoreline.

The Coast Guard went all the way to Bahrain to find it, but when it came time to deploy it?

"It was picked up and moved to Louisiana," Riley said today.

The governor said the problem is there's still no single person giving a "yes" or "no." While the Gulf Coast governors have developed plans with the Coast Guard's command center in the Gulf, things begin to shift when other agencies start weighing in, like the Environmental Protection Agency and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

"It's like this huge committee down there," Riley said, "and every decision that we try to implement, any one person on that committee has absolute veto power."


apparently this is not real to some people, kind of like Katrina
Feds come in and prevent locals from helping themselves

[JDRock]

so im not the only one who notices a suspicious LACK of protest directed toward the "mulatto house"


I noticed, but I just figured it's politics.

Obama sends guys to war and there Cindy Sheehan doesn't protest at his house, or on his vacation, etc.

Obama is impotent regarding the Gulf of Mexico disaster, but all of those "green" people are silent.

The flaming libs have solidarity, regardless of what is right or wrong. Should I really be surprised?


maybe, but dont you think the enviro's near religious zeal would outweigh party loyalty when its something as big as this?

[k-os]

so im not the only one who notices a suspicious LACK of protest directed toward the "mulatto house"


I noticed, but I just figured it's politics.

Obama sends guys to war and there Cindy Sheehan doesn't protest at his house, or on his vacation, etc.

Obama is impotent regarding the Gulf of Mexico disaster, but all of those "green" people are silent.

The flaming libs have solidarity, regardless of what is right or wrong. Should I really be surprised?


maybe, but dont you think the enviro's near religious zeal would outweigh party loyalty when its something as big as this?


You would think so. You would hope so. But it's obvious that it's not, or we would be hearing a lot more from environmental groups.

[DMac]

They make a TV show called whale wars where the environazis go on the offensive yet there is no call to arms over the biggest environmental disaster in US (maybe world) history.

The silence is deafening. Money talks the loudest of all it seems.