Secession Feasability

[philo beddoe]

States in the News: Arizona, Louisiana openly feuding with the Obama administration. Mississippi, Florida, Oklahoma not far behind

States with Long Standing Independent Spirit: Texas, new Hampshire, Idaho, Montana, Vermont, North Carolina, Alabama

States with Good Feasibility (geographic, resource rich or with homogeneous population): It would be reasonable to assume having an international port would make it easy to secede.....Washington, Texas, Oregon, Maine, Michigan. landlocked states would have difficulty, unless they allied with an ocean state. Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Wisconsin, North Dakota and states with a white super majority would also have it easier.

[Quantum]

States with nuclear weapons are the only ones that stand a chance of successful secession.

[Cebu_4_2]

States with nuclear weapons are the only ones that stand a chance of successful secession.


No THAT is worth an applaud! LMAO

[JDRock]

hmm my state is 90% + white...we have lotts of oil and refineries.....
and nukes.....
and the one of the worlds largest fresh water sources....

[the biss]

Won't be North Carolina... here's a section from the post 1865 state constitution:

Sec. 4. Secession prohibited.

This State shall ever remain a member of the American Union; the people thereof are part of the American nation; there is no right on the part of this State to secede; and all attempts, from whatever source or upon whatever pretext, to dissolve this Union or to sever this Nation, shall be resisted with the whole power of the State.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Legislation/constitution/article1.html

[BabushkaLady]

The next few years/election cycles will be the defining times. I think secession is very much a possibility as peoples and states are taking stands. This current administration might be the catalyst that draws the lines in the sand. It's been inching that way slowly, but not it's a full force.

Wasn't he going to Unite people? hahahahaha

I'm betting on Texas, Alaska, Idaho and maybe Washington (they sometimes surprise me!). Montana has attracted a lot of crazies with too much money. Wyoming has a big blue toe-hold in Teton County. It will be an interesting next few years!

[palani]

The government is not the state. The government changes with each election. Sometimes it changes between elections (Nixon and watergate a case in point). The state is you ... or at least it would be you if you took a little responsibility.

There is no need to secede unless you REALLY don't like the model of government established by the state and federal constitutions. Living by the rules that were established is not really secession. Rather it is honesty.

If you would like to start do so by accepting the restriction of making nothing but gold or silver a tender of payment. You might be amazed how quickly banking no longer matters when you drop paper from your policy.

As to North Carolina and its restrictions ... if memory serves I believe I read where federal officers had rifles at the ready during that period of history ... can anybody say "duress"?

[Saul Mine]

Feasibility is not always at the top of the list. All the states of the south did not have a single cannon factory when they first attacked.

[Quantum]

Won't be North Carolina... here's a section from the post 1865 state constitution:

Sec. 4. Secession prohibited.

This State shall ever remain a member of the American Union; the people thereof are part of the American nation; there is no right on the part of this State to secede; and all attempts, from whatever source or upon whatever pretext, to dissolve this Union or to sever this Nation, shall be resisted with the whole power of the State.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Legislation/constitution/article1.html


Constitutions can be amended. ;D

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Legislation/constitution/article13.html

ARTICLE XIII

CONVENTIONS; CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT AND REVISION

Sec. 2. Power to revise or amend Constitution reserved to people.

The people of this State reserve the power to amend this Constitution and to adopt a new or revised Constitution. This power may be exercised by either of the methods set out hereinafter in this Article, but in no other way.

Sec. 3. Revision or amendment by Convention of the People.

A Convention of the People of this State may be called pursuant to Section 1 of this Article to propose a new or revised Constitution or to propose amendments to this Constitution. Every new or revised Constitution and every constitutional amendment adopted by a Convention shall be submitted to the qualified voters of the State at the time and in the manner prescribed by the Convention. If a majority of the votes cast thereon are in favor of ratification of the new or revised Constitution or the constitutional amendment or amendments, it or they shall become effective January first next after ratification by the qualified voters unless a different effective date is prescribed by the Convention.

Sec. 4. Revision or amendment by legislative initiation.

A proposal of a new or revised Constitution or an amendment or amendments to this Constitution may be initiated by the General Assembly, but only if three-fifths of all the members of each house shall adopt an act submitting the proposal to the qualified voters of the State for their ratification or rejection. The proposal shall be submitted at the time and in the manner prescribed by the General Assembly. If a majority of the votes cast thereon are in favor of the proposed new or revised Constitution or constitutional amendment or amendments, it or they shall become effective January first next after ratification by the voters unless a different effective date is prescribed in the act submitting the proposal or proposals to the qualified voters.

[philo beddoe]

Feasibility is not always at the top of the list. All the states of the south did not have a single cannon factory when they first attacked.
Sadly, my foreknowledge of that is from Clark Gable in 'Gone With the Wind' Great movie

[iOWNme]

Secession Feasability: 0


Sorry, its just how i see it.



http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/civil-war/1863/july/secession-cartoon.jpg

http://www.idc-europe.org/galeria/noticias/secession_exploded.jpg

http://www.sonofthesouth.net/revolutionary-war/battles/south-carolina-secession-banner.jpg

[kregener]

Would be tough for us in Arizona. We are land-locked.

We do have a rather impressive Air National Guard, so they could 'escort' transport planes with shipping and receiving.

I guess.

Maybe as a first act we could declare war on Mexico, and annex the Sonoran State so we could have a seaport?

;)

[Glass]

Was South Carolina the sort of Capital of the South? The image built on the ruins is very pointed. Of course unless you knew about the "norths" financial straits you probably wouldn't get it.

No law can be written that binds a future generation. As Quantum
pointed out you can change your laws to suit....circumstance.

[DualCarbon]

Maybe BP spill was meant to weaken the economies of the south to lessen secession possibilities.

[Grand Master Melon]

Would be tough for us in Arizona. We are land-locked.

We do have a rather impressive Air National Guard, so they could 'escort' transport planes with shipping and receiving.

I guess.

Maybe as a first act we could declare war on Mexico, and annex the Sonoran State so we could have a seaport?

;)
We're also home to the largest F16 base in the world. I'm not sure what that would mean for us but it would make things interesting.