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NOOB
21st June 2010, 02:47 PM
Gold headed for $10,000 by 2012
Arnold Bock
June 15, 2010
www.resourceinvestor.com

No wishful thinking here! As I see it gold is going to a parabolic top of $10,000 by 2012 for very good reasons - sovereign debt defaults, bankruptcies of “too big to fail" banks and other financial entities, currency inflation and devaluations - which will all contribute to rampant price inflation.

Not surprisingly, I have company in that view:

Money manager, Peter Schiff, told Business Week recently that, "Gold could reach $5,000 to $10,000 per ounce in the next 5 to 10 years" and highly respected economist David Rosenberg is of the opinion that "There is no doubt that gold can easily double from here."

The causes:

1. History is No Guide
Gold has only been trading freely since President Nixon's 1971 decision to deny gold to the French and others attempting to repatriate their paper dollars for the metal. As such, there has been a scant forty years of gold production and trading since it was detached from supporting paper money. This period has also been marked by substantially higher monetary and price inflation as well as currency devaluation.
2. Market Manipulation
The Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) recently held a major hearing which blew the doors off bullion metals futures trading markets in terms of what was revealed publicly. I predict this public hearing will be viewed in the period ahead as the precious metals price liberation event of the decade. It is commonly known that JP Morgan Chase is the major player in commodities futures markets trading. Not only do they take massive naked short positions (betting that prices will fall), they do it with large substantial leverage. What isn't as well known though is that Chase acts as the agent for the Federal Reserve Board and other central banks in "managing" the markets on their behalf. Central banks want "orderly" precious metals markets and prices and currencies which don't gyrate wildly. Only then can they achieve stealth inflation in their monetary policy which is so beneficial in servicing debt. It also makes for good (meaning effective) politics.
3. Insufficient Physical Inventories
While it is normal for traders to roll their expiring contracts over into new paper trades, some traders accept cash in settlement rather than the metal. To the amazement of everyone, the recent hearing of the CFTC -- specifically Jeffrey Christian’s comments -- inadvertently confirmed that there is little bullion in storage at the London Metal Exchange or New York's Comex to back the metals trading. He justified this fact by noting that only one ounce of one hundred traded is paid out in physical metal. This revelation confirmed a much worse reality than even critics, such as the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee (GATA), had expected. It seems that the Asian and Mid East buyers and owners of bullion have been removing gold from their dealers’ vaults and are taking it "home" thus leaving much less than previously thought in the London, New York and Toronto vaults.

In addition to what looks like a production peak in the gold mining industry (production has fallen in five of the last eight years), central banks have for the first time recently become net purchasers (having bought more gold last year -- 425 tons -- than at any time since 1964). The single largest purchasers of metal these days, other than central banks, are the bullion ETFs (exchange traded funds) which ostensibly have their metal inventories in vaults. These relatively new investment vehicles, unfortunately, are not transparent in their business practices. Regular audits by reputable accounting firms and allocated and segregated bullion inventories stored in reputable vaults are opaque at best. This begs the question: “Do the large ETF bullion funds actually have the metal they purport to own, or is their inventory more the 'paper gold' variety in which bullion trading exchanges seem to specialize?"

The effect:

1. The revelations, outlined above, that there is insufficient physical inventory to meet new investment demand for ownership and delivery of physical bullion, is about to blow the price lid skyward.
2. As public awareness of sovereign debt mounts, it will drive home the reality of mounting government insolvency.
3. Confidence in currencies will wilt commensurately.
4. Investment demand for real gold and real money as a safe haven investment will expand exponentially.
5. These events should take place from mid 2011 through 2012 and extend further out toward 2015 before demand is satiated.
6. The dramatic price increases in gold and silver will at that point also satisfy the unstated desire of central banks and politicians to devalue their currencies in order to assist them in meeting their debt and unfunded liabilities.

After the 2008/2009 crash, governments bailed out their failing financial institutions and investment banks through a variety of innovative measures. The next time round most governments will not be in a position to do so -- again. Even more troubling, the IMF (International Monetary Fund) will not be capable of rescuing the increasing number of insolvent governments and their financial institutions.

You may think my aforementioned views are crazy or perhaps just that my imagination is way out of hand or, at best, that I don’t have access to the appropriate reality checks. Be that as it may, I am increasingly confident that the consequences of fragile sovereign debt, precious metals market manipulation, insufficient physical supply, and the need for a safe haven investment refuge, will drive precious metals bullion and mining stock to unimagined heights.

The circumstances immediately ahead are largely unprecedented. History is therefore only marginally useful as our guide to the future price of precious metals. We are now in genuinely unchartered territory.

Get yourself positioned to take advantage of this event of a lifetime. Protect your assets from the next and more serious leg of the 'Greater Depression' directly ahead. Get a running start NOW on growing your future wealth.

(CMIGS note. While we are bullish on gold, we don't believe gold will see $10,000 by 2012, or anytime in 2012. Still, we forward this article because the author gives credible reasons for higher gold prices.)

gunDriller
21st June 2010, 04:44 PM
he doesn't cite reasons for the price he chooses.

he just picks the price, "$10K in 2012".

i think the reasons he presents are reasons why gold will go up, but not reasons why gold will go to $10K instead of $2400, $5K, or $15K.


one other thing I notice some gold price prediction articles do is to extrapolate from the 1980 price, using either John Williams inflation numbers ($7K) or the US gov. inflation numbers ($2600).

BUT, the gold market in 1980 was uniquely manipulated. I don't know if it was more or less manipulated than today. then we had the Hunt brothers (who were more playing with silver)

today we have Crimex, a CFTC that does God knows what instead of their job, a Fed Chairman (Greenspan) that tells the CFTC head (Brookesley Born) not to prosecute fraud ... and an LBMA with approximately a 100:1 paper-physical ratio - and many of those paper positions are leveraged using borrowed money.

so what happens when there is a greater loss of confidence in the US $ ?

that carries some implication that people are also panicking and demanding physical, so that there is a 2 tiered market, one for what is left of the paper gold market, the other for physical.


i think when the $5.4 Trillion traded on the LBMA starts chasing the $54 billion worth of physical (using that 100:1 ratio), well what we know for sure is that people are willing to pay $5.4 Trillion for credit derivatives based on about 1800 tons of silver (using the number from the India gold purchase, $7 billion bought them 200 tons in 2009).

so then there are forces that make it reasonable to ask the question - when LBMA traders start demanding physical, why wouldn't gold increase 100 fold ?

I think gold is traded in a number of different forms on the LBMA, so that it is reasonable to have the same physical gold traded 4 or 5 times between miner and end user. so I think the demand for physical would still allow the physical to be traded more than once in one year. I don't know what the ratio would be.

I just know that when $5.4 Trillion starts chasing 1800 tons of gold, a 100-fold price increase is a logical starting point for the analysis. Of course, some of that money will go chase other things (oil, silver, land, etc.) In other words, a loss of confidence in paper gold would probably cause a reduction in LBMA trading.

and some physical trading would go underground (not reported), because people will try to protect their assets from the greedy pick-pocketing fingers of Uncle Sam and his counterparts in the UK, etc.


so there might be a 3 tiered market - what's left of paper gold, physical gold transactions that are reported, physical gold transactions that are not reported.

therefore my somewhat cautious conclusion is ... in 2012, gold will be somewhere between $1200 and $120,000.

NOOB
21st June 2010, 06:43 PM
I don't think we will see $10,000.00 gold anytime soon. At least I hope not. If gold holds its value as it always has, gas would be about 22 bucks a gallon same with a gallon of milk. I do think your prediction of between 1200 and 120,000 is doable though.

Skirnir
21st June 2010, 07:30 PM
It is the $10K that is falling toward 1 oz. gold, not the 1 oz. gold headed toward $10K. I consider the nominal price ancillary except for trading purposes.

Ragnarok
24th June 2010, 06:29 AM
Consider: Somewhere along the way the reporting requirements for transactions over a certain dollar amount will automatically kick in.

R.

Skirnir
25th June 2010, 07:27 PM
One word: fractionals. ;D

Defender
26th June 2010, 02:37 AM
One word: fractionals. ;D
Going with gunDriller's detailed analysis and conclusion of up to $120,000/oz - 1/20oz fracs would gross you $6,000.

gunDriller
26th June 2010, 06:34 AM
One word: fractionals. ;D
Going with gunDriller's detailed analysis and conclusion of up to $120,000/oz - 1/20oz fracs would gross you $6,000.


Jeez, at that rate, the 2 gold crowns in my mouth would practically buy a house.

speaking of, "if you don't hold it, you don't own it".

but why don't they set off the metal detector at the airport ?

Saul Mine
26th June 2010, 03:49 PM
There are any number of ways to calculate what the price of gold "should" be, depending on whose stash of USD you use for the figures. For example, ten years ago it was reported that if all the USD in Russia's reserves were used to buy all the known gold in the world the price would be $20,000 per ounce. But there is no reason why gold should be priced in USD. In fact, considering the ridiculous amounts of USD held in reserve by various countries, there is plenty of reason NOT to price gold in USD. Unfortunately there is no good reason to price gold in any other paper fiat either.

The time will come when you won't remember what you paid for your precious metals, you will just be glad you have some.

Skirnir
27th June 2010, 01:24 AM
One word: fractionals. ;D
Going with gunDriller's detailed analysis and conclusion of up to $120,000/oz - 1/20oz fracs would gross you $6,000.


Still less than the $10K reporting requirement.