its raining oil in louisiana

[Large Sarge]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un8co1d4zb4

[Ponce]

Well, till I get a confirmation from the field and not from the street I wont believe it, someone could had overturn a barrel of oil on purpose to make the film.

When I see the vegetable fields, and the alike, dying then I will believe it.

[StackerKen]

Me too Ponce.

[Large Sarge]

in the next few days the plants should start fading away (if its real)


if this is not real, its coming

[I am me, I am free]

Would you like a lil' Corexit 9500 with your oily rainwater?

[Ponce]

Well, in the second and third days of this "accident" I told you guys all about the lake of oil, the air, the poison mixed with the rain and so on so that what is happening, and will happen, is no news to me...........is only news when you don't know about it.

[gunDriller]

i know a chemical lab with gas & High Pressure liquid chromatographs.

which is probably immaterial because i don't think they'd want to put toxic crap in their machines.

i wonder how hard it would be to get some samples of the diseased leaves & leaf spots. my guess is, we are seeing the results of the Corexit, and the benzene, all of petrochemicals in the Gulf that can easily evaporate and mix with water vapor in the clouds.

i would not be surprised to see this crap make its way a few hundred miles inland. which is not good for agriculture, among other things.

[PatColo]

Florida waters test positive for dissolved oil; Researchers “Suspect it’s a lot” (VIDEO) (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/breaking-florida-waters-test-positive-for-dissolved-oil-researchers-suspect-its-a-lot-video)

I like this blog for gulf disaster news, I see lots of alt-news there I don't see elsewhere: http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com

[Ponce]

Thanks for the link Pat........sorry to say that it is a good one.

I wonder if Cuba could take to US to the World Court for the damage that this disaster will have in Cuba?..........this was not "An Act Of God".

[Ash_Williams]

I guess we don't have any members down there to confirm or deny.

My first though was, if it's raining oil, are you gonna be outside in it, especially with bare feet, recording a youtube video? I'd be in the car heading north...

[Serpo]

I believe it , and this is bad real bad

[Liquid]

I don't see how this is possible. Isn't rain just evaporated water? Think solar distiller, which acts upon the same prinicpal as rain...you can take the crappiest water, but solar distill it, and it's clean drinkable.

Since oil and water do not mix, chemically speaking...I would think the distillation process to create rain would not leach oil with it.

[Large Sarge]

I watched it again, this video looks real to me.

you see oil in the grass, on the sidewalks, etc

McCanney said if they allowed it to keep flowing, and did not harvest it, that this would happen

[Ash_Williams]

I don't see how this is possible. Isn't rain just evaporated water? Think solar distiller, which acts upon the same prinicpal as rain...you can take the crappiest water, but solar distill it, and it's clean drinkable.

Since oil and water do not mix, chemically speaking...I would think the distillation process to create rain would not leach oil with it.

When you distill you take everything out of the water that doesn't evaporate easier than water, but not everything that does. So if you were to put alcohol and water in your solar distiller you'll get the same thing out. If any components of crude evaporate more easily than water, they could be turned into gases and mix with the rain. Gasoline, WD-40 all seem to evaporate pretty easily so maybe it's for real?

[StackerKen]

If it were real, don't you think there would be more reports or videos by now?

You don't think it only rained oil on that guys neighborhood and no where else,
do you?

Im not saying it's not possible because I don't know...

I'm just saying, I"m not buying this video....not yet.

[Neuro]

Most of the lighter hydrocarbon chains would evaporate easier than water, however it would also be more difficult to condensate them to drops again. I would imagine they would require cooler temperatures and higher altitudes to condensate, or higher concentrations than water vapours, and the atmosphere contains a LOT of watervapour. I have never heard of petroleum rain before, I hope it is not physically possible for it to occur in earthly conditions, cause if it is we are screwed... Someone with a chemistry degree should be able to dig out if oil rain is a possibility in the earths atmosphere...

[Large Sarge]

well if its real, we will see more confirmations

here is another one, from S. florida

http://www.theweatherspace.com/news/06-15-2010-Reports-of-oil-raining-down-in-South-Florida.html

[StackerKen]

good find Sarge.

But that story is from June 15 :-\

[Large Sarge]

good find Sarge.

But that story is from June 15 :-\


we will see, the stories will start trickling in

could be antecdotal at first (dead spots on the lawn, funny smell after rain storms, etc)

I was thinking on this, crude oil is actually many different molecules/compounds

the lighter ones will evaporate off, and enter the atmosphere/rain

the heavier ones will likely become "tar balls" over time, and perhaps a percentage will just blend with the sea water.

[gunDriller]

from the description of Jindra Arneson, that fisherman's wife in Louisiana, and Karl Denninger, who's way down in Florida - she's seeing the effects of the fumes on her children, he's seeing the oil-related chemicals showing up on his beach in Niceville.

plus we got Ponce and a few other members in Florida.

it's not the most pleasant waiting game, waiting for that crap to show up on the sand, that's for sure.

whether or not this particular video is accurate, what it describes - oil related chemicals going into the clouds and coming down with the rain - is real.

[StackerKen]

Yes we do have at least 4 or more members that live in Florida.

When one of them post a story like this or similar....

Thats when it will be credible to me.

However, I realize when the time comes, they might be on the road and not have time to post it. :-\

[Heimdhal]

Yes we do have at least 4 or more members that live in Florida.

When one of them post a story like this or similar....

Thats when it will be credible to me.

However, I realize when the time comes, they might be on the road and not have time to post it. :-\


Well let you know when it starts raining men...erm...i mean oil...yeah...thats it...... ;D

[Ponce]

Dear Mr Gun, ME IN FLORIDAAAAAAAAA hellllllllllll nooooooooo, to many Cubans...I havent lived in FL in 51 years when I joined the US army.........I live in the middle of nowhere in the woods in Oregon.

Ponce <------------ Oregonian-Cuban ;D

[Spectrism]

They are calling it "oil rain" but that makes people think of motor oil which does not evaporate like water. There are, however, VOLATILE organic compounds in the crude oil. Here are the components-


Composition
In its strictest sense, petroleum includes only crude oil, but in common usage it includes both crude oil and natural gas. Both crude oil and natural gas are predominantly a mixture of hydrocarbons. Under surface pressure and temperature conditions, the lighter hydrocarbons methane, ethane, propane and butane occur as gases, while the heavier ones from pentane and up are in the form of liquids or solids. However, in the underground oil reservoir the proportion which is gas or liquid varies depending on the subsurface conditions, and on the phase diagram of the petroleum mixture.[3]

An oil well produces predominantly crude oil, with some natural gas dissolved in it. Because the pressure is lower at the surface than underground, some of the gas will come out of solution and be recovered (or burned) as associated gas or solution gas. A gas well produces predominately natural gas. However, because the underground temperature and pressure are higher than at the surface, the gas may contain heavier hydrocarbons such as pentane, hexane, and heptane in the gaseous state. Under surface conditions these will condense out of the gas and form natural gas condensate, often shortened to condensate. Condensate resembles gasoline in appearance and is similar in composition to some volatile light crude oils.

The proportion of light hydrocarbons in the petroleum mixture is highly variable between different oil fields and ranges from as much as 97% by weight in the lighter oils to as little as 50% in the heavier oils and bitumens.

The hydrocarbons in crude oil are mostly alkanes, cycloalkanes and various aromatic hydrocarbons while the other organic compounds contain nitrogen, oxygen and sulfur, and trace amounts of metals such as iron, nickel, copper and vanadium. The exact molecular composition

It is possible to get an invisible rain of these hydrocarbons just condensing on things. Many tons of them are evaporating into the air. They will largely oxidize but in the right conditions, I see no reason why we can't see some nasty fallout at times.

[gunDriller]

Dear Mr Gun, ME IN FLORIDAAAAAAAAA hellllllllllll nooooooooo, to many Cubans...I havent lived in FL in 51 years when I joined the US army.........I live in the middle of nowhere in the woods in Oregon.

Ponce <------------ Oregonian-Cuban ;D


well, then you're safe ! 8)

Oregon is good. i've been to Baker City, Grants Pass, Eugene, and Portland. Also I really admire Salem, because their newspaper is independent enough to print honest articles about the Palestinians.

[I am me, I am free]

Contaminating the water from above, contaminating the water from below -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZe1AeH0Qz8

[Bullion_Bob]

I think uncle Zeke just did a sloppy oil change in the driveway and washed his car.

[MAGNES]

We need some scientists to give us some analysis how all
the mechanics of the oil in the water plays out, what is
possible and what is not, it ain't easy to determine, most
of it is still in gulf, a hurricane will turn the ocean and whip
it up, consider it is freezing down there, the gases do not
escape that easily.

If this is for real everyone is in trouble.

In this video the lady states the oil is separating to 5 different components, at end of it.

What about gases ?

Large Sarge post, MARINE BIOLOGIST, must watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wrQCY76fps&feature=player_embedded

[Neuro]

Here is my amateurish chemical take on it... Hydrocarbons evaporate easier than water, primarily because water molecules are very polarly charged. But water molecules are lighter than the normaly liquid hydrocarbons (pentane C5H12 and heavier chains), thus once the electrical bond that bounds the water molecules together in water is broken, then H2O will be able to travel higher in atmosphere. Further the electrical polarity of the water molecule will make it far easier to condensate into droplets once it is cooled down... So most probably the hydrocarbons in the leaking crude, will not rain, they will primarily float around in the lower atmosphere, maybe reaching a few hundred feets, condensate on water surfaces and land when it is colder than the air. Possibly cause fiery explosions if concentrations build up sufficiently... Rain originating from evaporation from the GoM would most likely be reduced, because the energy from the sun will go to evaporate hydrocarbons at the surface first, less water will evaporate from GoM. With spreading of the slick into Atlantic ocean, you will see less rain primarily in the British isles and west coast of Northern Europe. We will probably see a lot of tar getting stuck in the arctic ice north of Norway...

[dysgenic]

"And many will die."
-Ponce

If this is real, uh oh. I'd say it could go either way at this point.

dys

[k-os]

South Florida checking in. We had a nice heavy rain last night and into this morning. I went up onto the roof to look for oily rain and found none.

[sunshine05]

South Florida checking in. We had a nice heavy rain last night and into this morning. I went up onto the roof to look for oily rain and found none.


Thanks k-os. Glad to hear it.

[Neuro]

South Florida checking in. We had a nice heavy rain last night and into this morning. I went up onto the roof to look for oily rain and found none.

any oil fume smell yet?

[StackerKen]

thanks K-os

[FunnyMoney]

Other than GSUS and the regular group of "we're here to warn you and tell you like it is" crowd, nobody seems to be too concerned. The recent collapse of the French soccer team was 10 to 1 taken as a more serious event by worldwide media.

I'm not sure if it's already raining acid or chemical rain yet. All I know is what is definately happening already out there in the sea is already at epic proportions. I guess we have to wait until after the world cup is over to get a hold of more information about a 3 month running catastrophe with no end in sight.

[k-os]

South Florida checking in. We had a nice heavy rain last night and into this morning. I went up onto the roof to look for oily rain and found none.

any oil fume smell yet?


Not that I can tell. (I am on the east coast.)

[Heimdhal]

FWIW, some anecdotal "evidence" from Tampa.

My father in law recently put in a rain barrel water system for his garden. It collects rain from the down spouts

he was telling me last night that hes noticed a type of oily film in the water recently, though hes only had the barrel up and running a couple weeks as it is. Hes not sure if its stuff in the rain itself, or perhaps something from the roof. Were thinking its probably from the roof, but hes going to start checking his pool and some buckets after a hard rain.

Says teh water PH is about 6.5 so that doesnt really tell us much. I dont know if these chemcials would greatly alter the PH though. So not jumping to conclusions yet, I just report what I am told by trusted family members.

[Large Sarge]

thanks to all the floridians for the updates

[Ash_Williams]

I thought about it a bit more and I think this video is fake.
It is possible that some of the components could evaporate and end up contaminating the rain, but then they would be the water soluble ones. In that case, they wouldn't produce an oil slick.
I think if there is oil rain, it would look like regular rain.

[Large Sarge]

nice article here

http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m6d25-Video--Some-concerned-over-raining-oil-from-use-of-chemical-dispersants-on-Gulf-oil-spill


2003 study showing oil does in fact evaporate, and dispersants actually help this

http://jalopnik.com/5570961/its-raining-oil-in-louisiana

[Serpo]

Yes we do have at least 4 or more members that live in Florida.

When one of them post a story like this or similar....

Thats when it will be credible to me.

However, I realize when the time comes, they might be on the road and not have time to post it. :-\



Well let you know when it starts raining men...erm...i mean oil...yeah...thats it...... ;D



I think raining women is OK.........yes thats OK

[Liquid]

2003 study showing oil does in fact evaporate, and dispersants actually help this

http://jalopnik.com/5570961/its-raining-oil-in-louisiana


Thanks for that Large Sarge. I still have a question on evaporated oil and rain. I work with high-tech diesel engines. We often use a centrifuge to separate the fuel oil from the water. It spins at a high rate and since oil is lighter than water, the water is separated from the fuel.

That rainbow sheen on the surface, in the video, means the water and oil have not mixed, they remain separated. So, how does rain and oil evaporate together, but separate again once the rain/oil hits the ground? That seems impossible to me.

[Large Sarge]

2003 study showing oil does in fact evaporate, and dispersants actually help this

http://jalopnik.com/5570961/its-raining-oil-in-louisiana


Thanks for that Large Sarge. I still have a question on evaporated oil and rain. I work with high-tech diesel engines. We often use a centrifuge to separate the fuel oil from the water. It spins at a high rate and since oil is lighter than water, the water is separated from the fuel.

That rainbow sheen on the surface, in the video, means the water and oil have not mixed, they remain separated. So, how does rain and oil evaporate together, but separate again once the rain/oil hits the ground? That seems impossible to me.


well you seem to think the water and the oil have joined as a chemical compound while they are airborne.

they have not, they have just gone into a gaseous state, and when they condense (rain) they return to the liquid state.

I do think that the H2S (which a lot is spewing out of the volcano), can and will make sufuric acid rains

Sufuric acid i believe is H2SO4

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfuric_acid

[Large Sarge]

Hawaii gets a lot of "acid rain" from their volcanoes

(they term it "common")

http://www.springerlink.com/content/h0282238wt5h7807/

[Liquid]

well you seem to think the water and the oil have joined as a chemical compound while they are airborne.

they have not, they have just gone into a gaseous state, and when they condense (rain) they return to the liquid state.



Wow, you are right. I hadn't thought of that. They both do evaporate. That answers my question as to why I couldn't logically put this together.

This could be very bad, indeed.

[Serpo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kSWsozpcCY&feature=player_embedded

[Serpo]

The Coming Gulf Coast Firestorm: How the BP oil catastrophe could destroy a major U.S. city

It's hurricane season in the Atlantic, and that means Mother Nature could be whipping up fierce storms and sending them charging into the Gulf Coast any day now. In a normal hurricane season, that's bad enough all by itself... remember Katrina? But now there's something even more worrisome in the recipe: There's oil in the water.

So what happens when a Katrina-class hurricane comes along and picks up a few million gallons of oil, then drops that volatile liquid on a major U.S. city like Galveston or New Orleans?

Now, before we pursue this line of thinking any further, let's dismiss the skeptics out there who think oil can't drop from the sky because oil doesn't evaporate. Actually, if you look at the history of hurricanes and storms, you'll find thousands of accounts of lots of things that don't evaporate nonetheless falling out of the sky. The phrase "raining cats and dogs" it's entirely metaphor, you know: There are documented accounts of all sorts of things raining down from the sky: Fish, frogs, large balls of ice, and so on.

If rain storms can pick up fish out of the ocean, then drop them on land, then they certainly have the capacity to pick up oil, too.

Besides, as any chemist will tell you, the various petrochemicals found in crude oil evaporate even without a storm picking them up! Oil, in other words, does evaporate into the air. Or, more accurately, some of the lighter chemicals in crude oil evaporate even at temperatures of around 100 degrees (F). Those are Gulf Coast temperatures.


These chemicals burn

Now, these lighter chemicals that more easily evaporate also happen to have lower flash points, meaning they catch on fire more easily and at lower temperatures than other elements in the oil. The flash point for gasoline, for example, is much lower than diesel fuel. That's because gasoline is "more flammable" and is a lighter fuel than diesel.

The EPA classifies oils into Classes A - D. Class A is the lightest kind of oil, which the EPA describes as follows (LINK`http`www.epa.gov/oem/content/learning/crude.htm`color: rgb(51, 102, 204); text-decoration: none; `LINK)

"These oils are highly fluid, often clear, spread rapidly on solid or water surfaces, have a strong odor, a high evaporation rate, and are usually flammable. They penetrate porous surfaces such as dirt and sand, and may be persistent in such a matrix."

That same EPA document makes it quite clear that the more volatile oils can evaporate from crude oil, rendering the remaining oil heavier and more "tar-like."

And we already know these oils can catch on fire. That's the whole point of tapping crude oil, of course: To pump it into engines then catch it on fire in order to turn the energy of that mini-explosion into force (to drive the eight pistons in your gas-guzzling SUV, for example).


How the fire happens

So let's say the oil blowout continues, and the Gulf of Mexico is carrying millions of gallons of crude oil as a massive hurricane approaches. It's a hot July day in the Gulf of Mexico, with temperatures soaring towards 110 degrees, accelerating the evaporation of volatile oils which get mixed in with hurricane-force winds.

The hurricane makes landfall in New Orleans, let's say, dumping potentially hundreds of thousands of gallons of what is essentially "volatile fuel" on the city of New Orleans. Now, at first it's just a wet, slippery toxic mess that kills trees and grass. But what happens after the storm when the sun dries out the city?

All the dead trees killed by the oil turn into kindling. The sun evaporates off the rain water, leaving behind fuel. A few days of sun baking and you have a city doused in fuel, ready to burst into flames. It's every fireman's worst nightmare. The whole city is essentially turned into a giant match.

Now, sure, the more volatile fuels might evaporate, but as they do, they'd fill the city withexplosive fumes. One spark, one fire, one lightning strike and your whole city literally goes up in flames. The BP oil spill, in other words, provides the fuel that could turn an ordinary hurricane into Mother Nature's arson attack on an entire city.


Like a nuclear bomb

This would not be an ordinary city on fire, either: It would be a city doused with volatile fuels that soaked it to the core. The sewers would explode like massive terrorist bombs, ripping to shred any underground infrastructure (fiber optics, water delivery, electrical infrastructure, etc.). The pavement itself would be on fire, as would parks, grasslands and forests. The city would burn from top to bottom, and there would be no point even trying to put out the flames. All we could do is evacuate and watch it all burn to the ground.

And in the aftermath, you'd still have oil covering the beaches, oil in the ocean, and the threat of more firestorms yet to come. It could be just the first of many such incidents striking the Gulf Coast.

Think this couldn't happen? Sure, and BP said the oil was a "tiny" little leak that didn't matter, either. They said the oil rigs would never explode. They said they would cap the blowout. They said they would protect the shores. And all along the problem just got worse and worse until even the press noticed that these corporate criminals just couldn't stop lying.

Now, BP is at least $20 billion in the hole in an effort to compensate some of the Gulf Coast businesses for the damage they've caused. But how will they compensate people if an entire city burns to the ground?

The answer? They won't. That would be the end of BP. Immediately bankruptcy. B.P. = "Bankruptcy Protection," after all.

No more payments go out to anyone. BP goes belly up just like all the fish being murdered by CorExit dispersant chemicals in the Gulf right now. The company goes down in flames just like New Orleans (or some other major city on the coast).

Of course, the scenario I'm describing here is theoretical, and I hope it's a worst-case scenario, too. But it is possible. Catastrophe is what happens at the intersection of poor planning and bad luck. BP has given us poor planning, and now Mother Nature may be about to deliver a heavy-handed dose of bad luck in the form of a seasonal hurricane that takes oil from the Gulf and dumps it on land.

We can only hope that these two elements do not collide on our shores. For if they do, we may witness loss on a scale our world hasn't seen since the dropping of atomic weapons on civilian populations in World War II. If a hurricane drops oil on New Orleans (or any other Gulf Coast city) and it goes up in flames a few days later, the aftermath will, indeed, resemble the effects of a nuclear bomb explosion.

You probably don't want to be anywhere near that. Needless to say, if it starts raining oil in your neighborhood, that might be a good time to grab whatever you value and get outta Dodge.

www.naturalnews.com/029082_Gulf_Coast_oil_spill.html

[gunDriller]

thanks to all the floridians for the updates

yeah !

the Floridans, South Alabamans, etc. are in the position of being like the Canaries in the Coal Mine for this disaster.

is it Floridans or Floridians ?

i wonder how far up the states of Alabama & Mississippi & Texas & LA this will go, how far inland that is.

i wonder what effect this will have on the Orange crop. i guess a lot of orange juice comes from Florida oranges. after a few seasons of rain, what state will those orange trees be in ?

[StackerKen]

it looks like FL. might be getting some rain today...

Im sure there will be some watching closely

[Heimdhal]

thanks to all the floridians for the updates

yeah !

the Floridans, South Alabamans, etc. are in the position of being like the Canaries in the Coal Mine for this disaster.

is it Floridans or Floridians ?

i wonder how far up the states of Alabama & Mississippi & Texas & LA this will go, how far inland that is.

i wonder what effect this will have on the Orange crop. i guess a lot of orange juice comes from Florida oranges. after a few seasons of rain, what state will those orange trees be in ?


Its Floridians ;)

But yeah, all the worlds premiere orange crops are from Florida. I dont say that as a braggng floridian, it just is the way it is. Florida citrus is known world wide as the top as the best citrus crops. We outgrow nearly every other citrus producing region almost combined. It is one of our very few crops, and the biggest revenue generating one ten fold.

Kill the tourism, kill the crops, kill the water, you permenently kill the state. There will be no coming back from this.

[Heimdhal]

Kill the tourism, kill the crops, kill the water, you permenently kill the state. There will be no coming back from this.


Oups ! think you forgot to include the seniors and retirees... ;D


AH! How could I forget?! I work at an old folks home! lol.

[StackerKen]

I am trying my best to be an optimist

But Man, its hard to do.

[JDRock]

...welcome to New OILeans :oo-->

[the riot act]

...welcome to New OILeans :oo-->


:ROFL:

South Fla update.

It rained here this morning about 3 am. I had a mason jar out on the deck railing just to catch some water. Nothing, just crystal clear rain water.


So in good GLP fashion I drank it. This afternoon I am growing another hand out of my elbow!

j/k

[Large Sarge]

I believe the high pressure is off the east coast of Florida

pushing winds over the spill towards the panhandle area

[StackerKen]

thanks for the report riot act

[gunDriller]

Its Floridians ;)



what do people from Tampa prefer to be called ?

Tampans ? :)

[Spectrism]

Its Floridians ;)



what do people from Tampa prefer to be called ?

Tampans ? :)


Maybe Tampacs?

[Heimdhal]

Tamponians.

I dunno, i just made that up. I like Tampaxicans, or Tampans, so I'll stick with one of those! :D

[the riot act]

Tamponians.

I dunno, i just made that up. I like Tampaxicans, or Tampans, so I'll stick with one of those! :D


Years ago it was just redknecks and cubans.

[uranian]

a few vids now on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=videos&search_query=oil+rain&search_sort=video_date_uploaded&suggested_categories=25%2C22%2C24&uni=3) of oil in rain, example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGx8oV0vO5E

[Large Sarge]

a few vids now on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=videos&search_query=oil+rain&search_sort=video_date_uploaded&suggested_categories=25%2C22%2C24&uni=3) of oil in rain, example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGx8oV0vO5E


I seriously believe those guys have been smoking the MJ

Which is truly sad for the video, a really serious situation, and these guys are baked, and get the giggles.

I hope someone else ( a non-smoker) can grab a camera, and make a video.

they turned their documentary into a party.....

:oo--> ??? :o ;D ;)

[Large Sarge]

the guy in the video, has his own youtube channel

and he has a lot of videos (way before the spill/gusher)

his youtube account is "history tour's"

http://www.youtube.com/user/HistoryTours

he has quite a few new ones up on the oil

[Large Sarge]

http://www.youtube.com/user/HistoryTours#p/u/20/DrPm-AZhT_A

[Large Sarge]

he drove to pensacola

he will be reporting from there

he seems sincere

http://www.youtube.com/user/HistoryTours#p/u/0/NItZ0-lseWw

[Large Sarge]

this has a little better view of the oil IMO


http://www.youtube.com/user/HistoryTours#p/u/12/sD77o4Sdi78