Dual Citizenship -- Loyal to Whom?

[Large Sarge]

http://www.viewzone.com/dualcitizen.html

[Ponce]

Well, as a American-Cuban I already stated where I stand on this subject....I am more incline to being a Cuban than an American......but.....that doesn't give the Cuba government a free pass.

If the Cuban were to invade the US I would fight the Cubans.....but.....at the same time if the US were to invade Cuba I would fight the US.

If Cuba and the US were to meet in a third world country (as it could be in Venezuela) then I would wash my hands from those two for being stupid.

Viva Cuba Libre........and.........God Bless America.

By the way, while I am glad to be an American-Cuban I cannot say that I am proud of being either one (but I am glad) because I had nothing to do with it....it was simply the way that I was born.

[NOOB]

Damn Sarge, thats a good article.

[iOWNme]

Here's what matters......

[quote]
In 1958, for instance, an American citizen named Perez voted in a Mexican election. The case went to the Supreme Court, where the majority opinion held that Perez must lose his American nationality. The court said Congress could provide for expatriation as a reasonable way of preventing embarrassment to the United States in its foreign relations.

But then something very odd happened.

In 1967 an American Jew, Beys Afroyim received an exemption that set a precedent exclusively for American Jews. Afroyim, born in Poland in 1895, emigrated to America in 1912, and became a naturalized U.S. citizen in 1926. In 1950, aged 55, he emigrated to Israel and became an Israeli citizen. In 1951 Afroyim voted in an Israeli Knesset election and in five political elections that followed. So, by all standards he lost his American citizenship -- right? Wrong.

After living in Israel for a decade, Afroyim wished to return to New York. In 1960, he asked the U.S. Consulate in Haifa for an American passport. The Department of State refused the application, invoking section 401 (e) of the Nationality Act -- the same ruling that had stripped the American citizen named Perez of his U.S. citizenship.

Attorneys acting for Afroyim took his case to a Washington, DC District Court, which upheld the law. Then his attorneys appealed to the Court of Appeals. This court also upheld the law. The attorneys for Afroyim then moved the case on to the Supreme Court. Here, with Supreme Court Justice Abe Fortas, Lyndon Johnson's former attorney and one of the most powerful Jewish Americans, casting the swing vote, the court voted five to four in favor of Afroyim. The court held that the U.S. government had no right to "rob" Afroyim of his American citizenship!

The court, reversing its previous judgment as regards the Mexican American, ruled that Afroyim had not shown "intent" to lose citizenship by voting in Israeli elections. Huh?]/quote]

[Ponce]

Look what happened with Oswald.........he turned in his passport at the US embassy in Russia and said to hell with the US.......later on not only did he get his passport back but also one for Marina his Russian wife.

[Libertarian_Guard]

Well, as a American-Cuban I already stated where I stand on this subject....I am more incline to being a Cuban than an American......but.....that doesn't give the Cuba government a free pass.

If the Cuban were to invade the US I would fight the Cubans.....but.....at the same time if the US were to invade Cuba I would fight the US.

If Cuba and the US were to meet in a third world country (as it could be in Venezuela) then I would wash my hands from those two for being stupid.

Viva Cuba Libre........and.........God Bless America.

By the way, while I am glad to be an American-Cuban I cannot say that I am proud of being either one (but I am glad) because I had nothing to do with it....it was simply the way that I was born.


Nice one Ponce. Since that is your second post which caught my attention tonight, you're on fire. Keep the faith.

[JDRock]

...either renounce one, legally and publicly, or lose ALL rights.

[palani]

Unless you choose to reject the 14th amendment you are born with dual citizenship.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

[palani]

Here's what matters......



In 1958, for instance, an American citizen named Perez voted in a Mexican election. The case went to the Supreme Court, where the majority opinion held that Perez must lose his American nationality. The court said Congress could provide for expatriation as a reasonable way of preventing embarrassment to the United States in its foreign relations.

But then something very odd happened.

In 1967 an American Jew, Beys Afroyim received an exemption that set a precedent exclusively for American Jews. Afroyim, born in Poland in 1895, emigrated to America in 1912, and became a naturalized U.S. citizen in 1926. In 1950, aged 55, he emigrated to Israel and became an Israeli citizen. In 1951 Afroyim voted in an Israeli Knesset election and in five political elections that followed. So, by all standards he lost his American citizenship -- right? Wrong.

After living in Israel for a decade, Afroyim wished to return to New York. In 1960, he asked the U.S. Consulate in Haifa for an American passport. The Department of State refused the application, invoking section 401 (e) of the Nationality Act -- the same ruling that had stripped the American citizen named Perez of his U.S. citizenship.

Attorneys acting for Afroyim took his case to a Washington, DC District Court, which upheld the law. Then his attorneys appealed to the Court of Appeals. This court also upheld the law. The attorneys for Afroyim then moved the case on to the Supreme Court. Here, with Supreme Court Justice Abe Fortas, Lyndon Johnson's former attorney and one of the most powerful Jewish Americans, casting the swing vote, the court voted five to four in favor of Afroyim. The court held that the U.S. government had no right to "rob" Afroyim of his American citizenship!

The court, reversing its previous judgment as regards the Mexican American, ruled that Afroyim had not shown "intent" to lose citizenship by voting in Israeli elections. Huh?




There is no paradox established between the two cases.

The first case with Perez was decided in 1958. The second case with Afroyim was in 1967.

In the intervening years the U.S. went off the silver standard. The several States are prohibited from making anything but gold or silver a tender of payment. Gold was removed in 1933. Silver was finished in 1964. The several States, not having any money to fulfill their end of the constitutional agreement, were functionally non-existent. The body politic of these former entities each amended their constitution and embarked upon a new and uncharted journey. An entity was formed called "this state" that reaches into each of the several States and indeed throughout the world as there is no territorial limit established for "this state". So while " this state" did not exist in Perez's time it certainly was established prior to Afroyim's case.

Each state acknowledges the existence of a global entity called "this state" Here are several examples

Texas Penal Code:

Texas Penal Code 1.04
PENAL CODE** CHAPTER 1. GENERAL PROVISIONS

Quote:Sec. 1.04. TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION. (a) This state has jurisdiction over an offense that a person commits by his own conduct or the conduct of another for which he is criminally responsible ...
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(d) This state includes the land and water and the air space above the land and water over which this state has power to define offenses.

State of Washington:


RCW 82.04.200
"In this state," "within this state."

"In this state" or "within this state" includes all federal areas lying within the exterior boundaries of the state.

State of Wisconsin:

29.011(1)
(1) The legal title to, and the custody and protection of, all wild animals within this state is vested in the state for the purposes of regulating the enjoyment, use, disposition, and conservation of these wild animals.

I expect you might search state code in each of the several states and find code similar to the above. THAT CODE REPRESENTS THE NEW WORLD ORDER AND YOU ARE A CITIZEN OF THAT ORDER. THERE IS NO TERRITORIAL LIMIT ESTABLISHED FOR "THIS STATE". IT EXISTS WHERE EVER IN THE WORLD YOU BELIEVE IT EXISTS.

HAVE FUN WITH THAT!!!!!

The supreme court could not have disputed Afroyim's citizenship. They merely affirmed it exists no matter where in the world he might reside or whatever he might do. The same is true in Mexico and it is why Obama doesn't see fit to end the immigration of undocumented Mexicans into the several States.

[JDRock]

bump...READ sarges article.

[BrewTech]

Seems to be a lot of the "dual loyalty" sh*t going around these days...

http://www.kirkforsenate.com/?page_id=489

Mark Kirk represents the 10th Congressional District of Illinois located in the suburbs north of Chicago. (hmmmm)

It's funny... people always ask me why the US government kowtows to Israel so much...

US government == Israeli government. Simple as that.

[Skirnir]

If it were up to me, I would be stateless i.e. a citizen of nowhere, but the State Dept. will not permit renunciation if it will render one stateless.

[cedarchopper]

Lots of people are eligible for dual citizenship. I became aware that I might possibly be eligible for Italian citizenship though my maternal grandfather...who I never knew. Italy only recognizes citizenship through blood...it makes no difference if you are born there, if fact, if your parents are not Italian citizens and you are born there, you have no claim to Italian citizenship.

I started researching my ancestry (free trial on ancestry.com) and found all the information I needed to further my research. I sent off to Italy for a copy of my grandfather's birth certificate and received back certified copy. The next hurdle was his Naturalization date...if it was before my mother was born, I would be out of luck...it turned out to be after my mother was born. What that meant under Italian law was that my grandfather passed his Italian citizenship to my mother, even though she was born here, and then to me.

With Italian citizenship, I can apply for a EU passport...and live, work, study, or start a business, make investments, etc in Italy or any other EU country (including traveling to forbidden countries, like Cuba)...with no connection to a U.S. SS#

http://www.italiandualcitizenship.com/