Say no to thanking troops and/or veterans for their service

[dysgenic]

I know that the troops are deceived and that most of them don't realize that they are doing the bidding of elite bankers and illuminasts. Does that mean that we should endorse the actions of criminals and murderers that work for the other side? I say absolutely not. If more people would refuse to endorse the actions of the military (past and present), if more people would call a spade a spade and thus be disdainful of criminals, we might see real change in this world. It would be nice to see a stigma attached to those that do the bidding of the bad guys, even commit murder for them.

dys

[Skirnir]

Agreed; the current regime already 'thanks' them enough with stolen 'tax money'.

[oldmansmith]

I agree, but it is a tough thing. My nephew thinks he is doing the right thing in Afghanistan, but he's been brainwshed by tee-wee and video games all his life. I hope he can wake up before he gets killed. He has allready killed.

[illumin19]

I like where you're coming from.........
Though I wouldn't go out and necessarily condemn all of them. I would only have some lip service for those professing it's "the thing to do"........does that make sense?

[BabushkaLady]

I proudly buy a beer for anyone I encounter in uniform at the airport!

I've spent enough time around the younger troops to know that they believe in the Constitution and don't know they've been conned until too late.

[dysgenic]

This is exactly the type of attitude that contributes to the pertetuation of the present system. That makes you culpable to a certain degree for the atrocities of this world.

dys




I proudly buy a beer for anyone I encounter in uniform at the airport!

I've spent enough time around the younger troops to know that they believe in the Constitution and don't know they've been conned until too late.

[jaybone]

It is crystal clear in the Constitution that wars are to be declared by Congress,
this has not happened since WW2.
It is my opinion that 'we' are in no war at all currently, but nothing more than an orgy of murder.
Whether that is carried out through evil or ignorance is of no concern to me, at the same time it is not my place to judge another Being.

I pity the ignorant in the service, and I pity the evil ones even more. They will have to live with and be judged for their actions, whether they were ordered to do them or not.

The only troops I support are Iraq Veterans Against the War
http://ivaw.org/

[Ponce]

After the videos that I have seen of out troops shooting civilians while making fun about it I no longer believe in them.........and Americans wonder why they hate us so much?, have someone kill your little sister, father, mother or baby brother and lets see how you feel about them.

We have killed more Iraqis and destroyed more property in the name of FREEDOM that during the war of "liberation" itself.

[k-os]

I am with you, BabushkaLady.

My father returned from from war to jeers and insults.

I respect your decision to live your life as you see fit, dysgenic, but there is no way I will treat another returning soldier like that. Ever. I thank the soldiers that I meet for their service to our country, and I do this to make up for all of the insults that my dad had to hear.

The soldiers are not going to war for the thanks they hope to receive.

[oldmansmith]

I agree K-os, and I generally share your sentiment. But, should the Germans have thanked the Nazis for their service? Our troops are basically doing the same thing, except they are doing it to rat-hole third world countries instead of to Europe.

[k-os]

I agree K-os, and I generally share your sentiment. But, should the Germans have thanked the Nazis for their service? Our troops are basically doing the same thing, except they are doing it to rat-hole third world countries instead of to Europe.


I see what you are saying. I really do. But this is something I am holding on to.

[wildcard]

I've had people in the past try to thank me for my service and I usually tell them to knock it off. There was nothing worth thanking.

If soldiers want to wear dress uniforms around and try to get kudos then they deserve any truth that gets splashed on them.

*I was proud for helping the people in the San Fran earthquake. My humanitarian award is the only one I'm proud of.

[Large Sarge]

this is a tough one,

you see the military industrial complex wants people that follow orders, and have no real conscience.

So while we support our troops, we need to reach out and have them question authority (is my order lawful? i.e. oathkeepers)

And we need to help them find their conscience and humanity again.

the troops are just tools, to be thrown away when TPTB are done with them.

nothing wrong with buying them beers.

sometimes, its years later before they realize some of the things they have done

any act to reach out and engage them is good, these folks have the highest rate of suicides in the country.

war changes you forever.

[wildcard]

You are very right LS. I was one of those idiot kids. I never shot anyone, but I did hold people at gunpoint. People that had every lawful right to be where they were, while I didn't. If I'd killed someone back then I'd probably be very suicidal now.

*some skulls are thicker than others and it takes a while for ideas to permeate the bone.

**that being said, I don't support bashing them over the head with a 2x4 to try and drive home your idea. This clash will only cause people to clam up around their ideologies even tighter. In karate/aikido training I learned that if someone GRABS you forcefully by the wrist, your body will automatically tense and resist. If you just lay your hand on them, light as a feather, they will not react. Then you can throw them into the wall/ground/car/etc easily. ;D

[JDRock]

I proudly buy a beer for anyone I encounter in uniform at the airport!

I've spent enough time around the younger troops to know that they believe in the Constitution and don't know they've been conned until too late.


i agree...why alienate the pawns when , sooner or later they will be ordered to go house to house here in the states...
now, a high ranking OFFICER however :oo-->

[BabushkaLady]

I respect the opinions of everyone here even if I don't agree with you.

I have to tell you that over the years I've befriended many of military folks. My favorite is an old guy born in 1934. He has given me some of the best perspective on the Korean war I've ever heard. I've had the luxury of meeting some gung-ho Vietnam vets that spent time in the DMZ. They confirmed all the lies I knew about that "war". I know and have listened to Gulf War vets, and the current kids.

Do you know what they all have in common?

They love America. They don't trust the government, they don't always agree on why.

I guess my point is, videos are great, internet stories are great. But meeting the real boots-on-the-ground guys and listening to them---that's when a real decision of gratitude should be made. IMHO

[Agrippa]

A murderer is no less a murderer for having been conned, duped, or fooled into committing murder. It is sad to see young people fall under the influence of criminal gangs, whether it be the Crips or the US Army -- but once they have killed they deserve the same treatment as any other murderer. Even if they haven't taken a life themselves, by wearing their gang's colors they show solidarity with those who have, and are deserving of nothing but scorn.

I know a number of people who escaped that life, acquired moral sentiments, and repented of their crimes: so there is hope for some of them. Buying them beers and showing respect isn't helpful in launching them on that road, however.

[Grand Master Melon]

Agreed; the current regime already 'thanks' them enough with stolen 'tax money'.


Perhaps I'm wrong here but is not defense one of the only things tax dollars are supposed to be used for?

As taxpayers are not we all culpable in some way too according to so many people's logic?

[MAGNES]

They want them young for a reason, you are mostly talking about kids.

Then you have those that are not aware and pumped up.

The Tillman brothers were that, they murdered Pat for
waking up and having a profile.

You have high ranking people that learn the truth slowly too.

The Bush NeoCons got rid of all sorts of people, they only
want yes men, same the Obama, they want to perpetuate the
lies. Look at the conflicts and leaks in retaliation, they
really hurt Bush here.

There is a total leadership failure, civilian and military.

Where will the line be drawn ? The puppet masters are even
far more blatant than they ever were, what is it going to take ?

Soldiers that are aware that come home are dangerous to the state.
They don't care if they die or are poisoned, this I believe is communist
doctrine as well. Kissengers comments come from this.

GIM had some great posters that served in gulf, leaders like RMac that
woke people up to the NWO. He ain't posting now. He would be
pissed off at many of you.

Criminals should be dealt with on a case by case basis, but
the command structure fails and is a part of the criminality,
then what, you trick people into killing innocents, even torturing
them.

Also consider all the mercenaries, more of them than soldiers some say.
How many Israelis ? Israelis were doing the torturing from private
companies like CACI, TITAN, anther one SAC maybe. All got a pass.
This was a huge money making opportunity for Israel and it's men.
300,000 per man. Plus the plundering.

Don't blame the soldiers on the ground outright.
It is not that simple. I don't and I posted a video
of an outright murder recently on here and was
taken down by youtube.

What would happen if you told the truth to 100
soldiers in a room full of generals and politicians ?
Some justice. The clowns are afraid of their own
men. Many troops know already.

[BabushkaLady]

A murderer is no less a murderer for having been conned, duped, or fooled into committing murder. It is sad to see young people fall under the influence of criminal gangs, whether it be the Crips or the US Army -- but once they have killed they deserve the same treatment as any other murderer.


Well, when this insane goberment pushes too far with their BS, and I have to defend me and mine . . . I may just become a murderer then. I don't aim to maim, I aim to kill.

[iOWNme]

There is a difference between the Government and the Country. This is so simple to understand and yet most have been duped into believing that they are the same. THEY ARE NOT.

The Military represents the Government, not the Country. It takes its orders from the Government, not the people.

Most of the good brave men and woman in the Military believe they are 'defending' their Country. But the Government is the one calling all the shots, not the Country and/or people. This is proven time and time again when the majority dont want war, yet it happens. When Congress doesnt declare War, yet it happens. This is proof of the Tyrannical nature of the profit driven Military Industrial Complex we have today.

I most certainly do not go out of my way to thank any war Vet. I also dont go out of my way to give them my opinion. If they ask for it, i have no problem having an intelligent conversation about it. I think they have all been duped into 'defending' their Country, when it was the Government who caused, provoked, controlled the problem from the start. Are they brave for their actions? Maybe. But one could argue, how much bravado does it take to play on the most powerful, technologically advanced, biggest funded team in all of War: the USSA?

Believe me, if they were protecting my private property rights, or better yet, my neighbors private property rights, i would back them 1000000000%. But they dont, they support, defend and fight for Communism. Whether they know it or not, it is the truth.

PEACE

[Gypsybiker45]

of course dont thank any vets, everything is a conspiracy , hell we should just torment them instead, like the hippies did to my brother during Vietnam, Im not in support of this current "War' Im a veteran myself, and have many in my family. this is a troll thread if i ever saw one.just to stir shit up.

[Glus]

If someone hates the veterans, does it make that person any better than people who thought they were doing the right thing by signing up?

I do not mind being hated, because in the end those who hate me will age quicker and have their heath degrade quicker.

I did not even sign up because I believed in the war. I just did it because I wanted to get away from my house because my parents did not have enough money to help me out with college. I also knew it is going to be bad, and I wanted to prove myself that I could be the first person in my recent family to fight.

It was the hardest four years of my life, and I literally saw some my friends lose their minds. I got very minimal sleep for about two years. It took me several years to regain normal sleeping patterns once I was out.

Would I do it again? No way. Am I a bit proud of myself making it through that? Hell yes.

I never killed anyone directly, so I do not know how I would feel about it.

I will always have respect for people that were in the armed forces and made it out in one piece, mentally. :)

[Awoke]

The only bumper sticker or T-Shirt I would ever wear in regards to our troops would say the following:


TROOPS HOME NOW!

[FunnyMoney]

The only bumper sticker or T-Shirt I would ever wear in regards to our troops would say the following:


TROOPS HOME NOW!


Well , I guess we can still wish . That capability still remains. But the facts on the ground say otherwise. The wars are going to escalate. This has been the worst month for nato since the Afgan war started. It's been over 5 years now since the people pulled their support of the wars. Has anything changed for the better in those 5 years?

And just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, you'll be proven wrong. Where this nation is headed economically the people will turn in favor of the wars. A war economy is better than no economy. Don't have a job? Theft and murder still pays.

If you thought fighting the sheep was a tall order, just wait until the govt converts them into their very own wolf pack.

Don't stick your neck out now. There's very few left with the ability to see things from outside the matrix. Whatever you do, make sure you don't become a target. The survival of these very few to a point in time where even the war economy will dissolve into some new form of the dark ages is the world's last and only hope.

[Liquid]

Well, I work with a couple of marines, young ones, who are more aware...than most folks think.

They want to go over there, to do the "work nobody will thank them for, the work nobody wants to do".

They see it this way, we're damned if we do, damned if we don't. If we pull out of there, we leave countries in chaos, destroyed, tyranny will prevail. Yet, if we stay, we're oppressors. So what do we do? Honestly?

It's a lose-lose situation. If we leave, everything collapses. But everyday we stay there, it's nothing but hate abroad, and hate at home.

These kids are 18, 19, 20, years old and they understand this! They know. And you folks are condemning them....

That is the last thing we need, to fix, the problem. We've got to keep hope for the young folks, and support them. That, is our duty, as citizens....don't blame them for the corruption, but embrance them, as victims, or heros, that they become.

[dysgenic]

You are trying to justify your criminal behaviour. It's pretty tough to be sympathetic to the ramblings of criminals that try and pretend that they are not criminals. I suggest you try again: apologize for your criminal behaviour and beg for forgiveness, and maybe then you will get it.

dys





If someone hates the veterans, does it make that person any better than people who thought they were doing the right thing by signing up?

I do not mind being hated, because in the end those who hate me will age quicker and have their heath degrade quicker.

I did not even sign up because I believed in the war. I just did it because I wanted to get away from my house because my parents did not have enough money to help me out with college. I also knew it is going to be bad, and I wanted to prove myself that I could be the first person in my recent family to fight.

It was the hardest four years of my life, and I literally saw some my friends lose their minds. I got very minimal sleep for about two years. It took me several years to regain normal sleeping patterns once I was out.

Would I do it again? No way. Am I a bit proud of myself making it through that? Hell yes.

I never killed anyone directly, so I do not know how I would feel about it.

I will always have respect for people that were in the armed forces and made it out in one piece, mentally. :)

[Liquid]

You are trying to justify your criminal behaviour. It's pretty tough to be sympathetic to the ramblings of criminals that try and pretend that they are not criminals. I suggest you try again: apologize for your criminal behaviour and beg for forgiveness, and maybe then you will get it.

dys


That man does not need to apologize for anything, dys. You need to apologize. Your post was uncalled for here...his post was honest, to the point, and true.

Your attacks are unfounded, just as we see in all walks, of our lives.

[BrewTech]

The OP was about (not) thanking veterans "for their service".

I can't figure out what service they are providing for my benefit, so I wouldn't know what I would be thanking them for.

There may be some folks benefiting from their "service", but I guaran-dam-tee ya, it ain't me.

[Bigjon]

Well, I work with a couple of marines, young ones, who are more aware...than most folks think.

They want to go over there, to do the "work nobody will thank them for, the work nobody wants to do".

They see it this way, we're damned if we do, damned if we don't. If we pull out of there, we leave countries in chaos, destroyed, tyranny will prevail. Yet, if we stay, we're oppressors. So what do we do? Honestly?

It's a lose-lose situation. If we leave, everything collapses. But everyday we stay there, it's nothing but hate abroad, and hate at home.

These kids are 18, 19, 20, years old and they understand this! They know. And you folks are condemning them....

That is the last thing we need, to fix, the problem. We've got to keep hope for the young folks, and support them. That, is our duty, as citizens....don't blame them for the corruption, but embrance them, as victims, or heros, that they become.


The sum total of this post condones and supports murder for murders sake, with the excuse offered that he projects something that is not necessarily true. Our leaving will not cause tyranny and is just what we bring. The most illogical post of a most illogical mind.

[BrewTech]

They see it this way, we're damned if we do, damned if we don't. If we pull out of there, we leave countries in chaos, destroyed, tyranny will prevail. Yet, if we stay, we're oppressors. So what do we do? Honestly?

It's a lose-lose situation. If we leave, everything collapses. But everyday we stay there, it's nothing but hate abroad, and hate at home.

These kids are 18, 19, 20, years old and they understand this! They know. And you folks are condemning them....

The same kids that call the people of the lands they invaded "hajis"... those kids? Yeah, they understand all right.

[Saul Mine]

If you wonder what the matrix really looks like, you can see it HERE (http://darkage2007.blogspot.com/). Click "Manuscript" on the right side for a summary of every cultural collapse in history.

Every dominant culture eventually collapses, all in the same general way and for the same general reasons. Symptoms include immigrants taking over service jobs, debased coinage, most citizens receiving welfare, national defense provided mostly by mercenaries or not maintained, increasing oppression of citizens, ... All the things you now see in the USA. Not one country has ever avoided the collapse once the symptoms became apparent.

[Liquid]

The most illogical post of a most illogical mind.



It's only illogical, because it does not fit your agenda, Bigjon. Let's be honest, about that.

[Bigjon]

The most illogical post of a most illogical mind.



It's only illogical, because it does not fit your agenda, Bigjon. Let's be honest, about that.


My agenda is to bring all the troops home. To hell with the Rothschild Empire.

[Nordmann]

If it is one thing i hate about America then it's the masturbation around your troops.

[dysgenic]

You've got it ass backwards, Liquid. The people that run this world, the bad guys, can't do it without military men on the front lines willing to pull the trigger for them. Without the muscle, the ring falls. It's one thing to be deceived into being a puppet thug for TPTB, but it's another thing to try and justify being a puppet thug for TPTB. That's what you are doing, that's what glus was doing.
The people that know the truth can no longer be silent about the true nature of war and those that perpetuate war. That's the point of this thread.

dys






You are trying to justify your criminal behaviour. It's pretty tough to be sympathetic to the ramblings of criminals that try and pretend that they are not criminals. I suggest you try again: apologize for your criminal behaviour and beg for forgiveness, and maybe then you will get it.

dys


That man does not need to apologize for anything, dys. You need to apologize. Your post was uncalled for here...his post was honest, to the point, and true.

Your attacks are unfounded, just as we see in all walks, of our lives.

[JDRock]

If you wonder what the matrix really looks like, you can see it HERE (http://darkage2007.blogspot.com/). Click "Manuscript" on the right side for a summary of every cultural collapse in history.

Every dominant culture eventually collapses, all in the same general way and for the same general reasons. Symptoms include immigrants taking over service jobs, debased coinage, most citizens receiving welfare, national defense provided mostly by mercenaries or not maintained, increasing oppression of citizens, ... All the things you now see in the USA. Not one country has ever avoided the collapse once the symptoms became apparent.


excellent Saul! every civilization....EVERY time.

[Fudup]

I know that the troops are deceived and that most of them don't realize that they are doing the bidding of elite bankers and illuminasts. Does that mean that we should endorse the actions of criminals and murderers that work for the other side? I say absolutely not. If more people would refuse to endorse the actions of the military (past and present), if more people would call a spade a spade and thus be disdainful of criminals, we might see real change in this world. It would be nice to see a stigma attached to those that do the bidding of the bad guys, even commit murder for them.

dys


I disagree and reject your alienation of the people who may save your country from the people whom you claim to oppose. Citizens who have served in the military are still citizens, perhaps moreso than others, as they risked it all for their government. If there is ever a reckoning of the TPTB, you want those military citizens on your side. Piss them off at your peril.

[gunDriller]

a good resource for young people who signed up because they needed a job or thought they would be "defending their country", then found themselves in a foreign land killing civilians -

http://www.peaceandjusticesonomaco.org/out%20of%20the%20military.html

they have a variety of resources. Elizabeth Stinson has helped about 1000 young people escape from the US military.

[iOWNme]

I tried to make a distinction between the Government and the Country....

Lets take a look at a quote that will make my point a bit more clear:



"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."

--Herman Goering, NAZI SS Leading Officer, at the Nuremberg Trials

Can we see how men and woman are used as pawns in the Elite's 'Games'?

[Large Sarge]

if you really wanted to slow down or stop war, Hollywood is the best place to start

[StackerKen]

Excellent points Sui Juris

[Large Sarge]

if you really wanted to slow down or stop war, Hollywood is the best place to start




oh and Maybury always says "take away the spiffy uniform"

8) ;D

and they will not want to fight.....

but the hollywood thing is big also

and I would also add, that soldiers in the old days (when chivalry was still alive) were provided a list of "non-combatants" (women, children, etc)

those are gone today, we have "collateral damage"

[Skirnir]

Many of the arguments herein presuppose a false dichotomy akin to 'you are either with us or against us'. Dysgenic's original post only advocated not thanking or endorsing, not alienating, pissing off, etc. I do not have nor want business with them, nor with most people for that matter, and if the topic were to come up in conversation, I would likely change the topic to something neutral e.g. the weather.

[Awoke]

Don't stick your neck out now. There's very few left with the ability to see things from outside the matrix. Whatever you do, make sure you don't become a target. The survival of these very few to a point in time where even the war economy will dissolve into some new form of the dark ages is the world's last and only hope.


Very true words. This is why I did not go to protest the G8 and G20 meetings that are happening in my area over the last week.



Well, I work with a couple of marines, young ones, who are more aware...than most folks think.

They want to go over there, to do the "work nobody will thank them for, the work nobody wants to do"..


Well it's unfortunate that they don't realize that "the work no-one else want's to do" is the work of imperial luciferian jewish globalists.

When they come to that realization, they will no longer want to do that work either.

[Gypsybiker45]

Many of the arguments herein presuppose a false dichotomy akin to 'you are either with us or against us'. Dysgenic's original post only advocated not thanking or endorsing, not alienating, pissing off, etc. I do not have nor want business with them, nor with most people for that matter, and if the topic were to come up in conversation, I would likely change the topic to something neutral e.g. the weather.



BullShit, his follow up post about apologizing for even being in the military is an attack.

[po14015]

http://spiritwaterblood.com/pix/jewcolossus.jpg

Gatekeepers??? Are you one???

[MNeagle]

I guess if we're not on the bottom of the pic, we are gate keepers? ???

[K_Flynn]

Hell no, I don't thank troops.

#1. It's not "service". They are mercenaries. They get paid to kill for uncle sam. Very simple.
#2. My money is stolen to pay for their mercenary services.

Why would I thank anyone involved in this evil scam?

[dysgenic]

It particularly rankles me when people do bad things and then try and rationalize/justify/intellectualize them after the fact as opposed to owning up to them.

dys





Many of the arguments herein presuppose a false dichotomy akin to 'you are either with us or against us'. Dysgenic's original post only advocated not thanking or endorsing, not alienating, pissing off, etc. I do not have nor want business with them, nor with most people for that matter, and if the topic were to come up in conversation, I would likely change the topic to something neutral e.g. the weather.



Bullsh*t, his follow up post about apologizing for even being in the military is an attack.

[LuckyStrike]

Sadly many of the military are as brain dead as the rest of the country. Just like the ones I see with the bumper stickers for "Operation Iraqi Freedom" I'm sure they don't think or they would ask what freedom have we granted anyone? It's much easier to go along with everyone else in pop culture than to think for yourself and realize the masses are headed in the wrong direction.

So no I don't support the troops in any form or fashion (other than money stolen from me at gunpoint that pays their salaries) It is a federalist lie that we need a standing army at all, lest we forget we soundly defeated the strongest military on earth at that time with a militia. I think it was Jefferson that said "if you have a standing army you are going to use it" (paraphrase) and boy isn't that the truth.

Think about it like this, I hear it all the time "you have to support the troops, not the war" don't you think that is what the puppet masters count on? You can hate them what do they care, you are a mere peasant to them, but so long as you support the minions who do their bidding (cops, military etc) their goals are still accomplished. It's like if I send someone to rob you, well sure you would hate me, but do you support those in my employ that carry out my tasks? After all they are just earning a living for their families same as anyone right? Or do you hate them because they are doing wrong period end of story?

People can say what they want about "I know good military people blah blah blah" but the bottom line is they swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution from enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC, and seeing as our country is firmly in the grips of marxism now, they are doing a SH*tTY JOB!!!

[iOWNme]

He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder.


-Albert Einstein

[JDRock]

if you really wanted to slow down or stop war, Hollywood is the best place to start



Better start at Rothschilds castle.....