It Begins… Plans to Evacuate Tampa Bay Are Put Into Place

[Ponce]

It Begins… Plans to Evacuate Tampa Bay Are Put Into Place …Update: Pensacola Beach Closed.

Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, June 24, 2010, 2:01 PM
Large slicks of oil and tarry mats floated in on the Florida shore on Wednesday.


As Barack Obama continues to golf, hit the ballpark, BBQ and party, the BP oil slick is now threatening Tampa Bay. Authorities have set up plans for evacuation.
Veterans Today reported:

Gulf Oil Spill 2010: Plans to evacuate Tampa Bay area are in place.

As FEMA and other government agencies prepare for what is now being called the worst oil spill disaster in history, plans to evacuate the Tampa Bay area are in place.

The plans would be announed in the event of a controlled burn of surface oil in the Gulf of Mexico, or if wind or other conditions are expected to take toxic fumes through Tampa Bay.

This practice has been used by the US Forestry service, when fire and smoke threaten the health and well being of people.

The elderly and those with respiratory problems would be more susceptible to health risks, in the event of a controlled burn.

Estimates of the rate of BP’s Deepwater Horizon oil spill have varied. Independent scientists now suggest that the true spill rate, before the riser pipe was cut off in June, was between 20,000 and 50,000 barrels a day.

Since the April 20th explosion, which resulted in the sinking of the Deepwater Horizon rig, there have been more than a million gallons of chemicals poured into the Gulf of Mexico in efforts to break up the spill. The chemicals have come under scrutiny because of their own toxic nature.

It is not certain if the massive slick will have to be set on fire near Tampa Bay, but the possibility has not been ruled out.

Hat Tip Brian B.

Remember: We should all be grateful Dear Leader is golfing- It does us all good.

UPDATE: Pensacola Beach is closed due to the oil disaster.

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/06/it-begins-plans-to-evacuate-tampa-bay-are-put-into-place/

[Glass]

They are talking about setting the oceans on fire? A controlled burn? Are they for real? Of course they are.

[k-os]

And during hurricane season when water temperatures matter.

[Ponce]

How can you control an ocean fire?........this should be really good.

I have seen a few "controlled" forest fires going out of control.......the big one in OR in 93? is a good example........it was the biggest one in the US ever.

[StackerKen]

It begins ???

'Plans" mean just that Ponce. Plans

Nothing has begun (yet)

and why Tampa bay?

Why not other places that are closer to the oil?

[Heimdhal]

It begins ???

'Plans" mean just that Ponce. Plans

Nothing has begun (yet)

and why Tampa bay?

Why not other places that are closer to the oil?


Tampa is the largest metro area on the gulf coast in florida, possibly the entire gulf (I think is bigger than N.O. but dont quote me on that). Its also one of the most active commercial ports in the gulf. These are the only reasons I can think of why tampa and not other places, but theres lot of other large metro areas on the gulf of florida as well.

And lets not forget, that Orlando (and ocala) arent too far east of Tampa, any fires or fumes that Tampa would get, they surley would get it too and they are also large metro, inland areas.

[StackerKen]

Thanks Heimdhal

I was just looking at the Tampa bay on a map....

Seems like they could be building some sort of barrier to protect that bay from the oil.

[Cebu_4_2]

Here is the reason they are planning it, one man and a camera. Could you imagine if more could sneak to the scene?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO193f8xAls

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

Here is the reason they are planning it, one man and a camera. Could you imagine if more could sneak to the scene?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO193f8xAls


O damn.

That's gotta be the most damning video yet that I've seen. Moreso than the Mom putting Goo Gone on her kids.

That guy was just wading in that water like nothing. He could be dead by next month with the toxic soup and gasses in that water.

[Bullfrog]

After seeing this video and the one of Kindra Arneson, I am thinking people should be getting out of there yesterday.

I still don't think the govt will do a mandatory evac. We have more people than we have jobs, and the jobs aren't coming back.

BP is gonna cut costs by waiting for all the people, that have reason to file claims against them, to die. And I expect at some point they will simply fold up camp and walk away from this.

[Libertytree]

After seeing this video and the one of Kindra Arneson, I am thinking people should be getting out of there yesterday.

I still don't think the govt will do a mandatory evac. We have more people than we have jobs, and the jobs aren't coming back.

BP is gonna cut costs by waiting for all the people, that have reason to file claims against them, to die.<b> And I ecpect at some point they will simply fold up camp and walk away from this.</b>


Seems like the perfect opportunity for the .gov to seize/sue and nationalize another industry.

[Twisted Titan]

We are in alot of trouble

ALOT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vcPD9bVWZc

[Brent]

I haven't seen a good explanation as to how this stuff will stay in the air just around the gulf. Won't all the crap in the air that everyone is worried about be spread throughout the general air supply?

[cedarchopper]

I don't think there is any additive that could make the water in the Gulf bubble...that seems like a stretch to me.

[the white rabbit]

It begins ???

'Plans" mean just that Ponce. Plans

Nothing has begun (yet)

and why Tampa bay?

Why not other places that are closer to the oil?
I think because the wind blows from the west to the east putting Tampa in a direct line from the spill. Thus toxic gas rolling in.

[DMac]

It begins ???

'Plans" mean just that Ponce. Plans

Nothing has begun (yet)

and why Tampa bay?

Why not other places that are closer to the oil?
I think because the wind blows from the west to the east putting Tampa in a direct line from the spill. Thus toxic gas rolling in.




http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/eh105



WIND

As a peninsula, Florida receives breezes from both the Gulf of Mexico and Atlantic Ocean. During the winter months in northern Florida these breezes and the prevailing winds from the north force cold air into homes thus carrying away needed warmth. Trees and shrubs used as windbreaks and foundation plantings canreduce heat-robbing winter winds substantially, reducing the energy required to adequately heat the home.

Winds come from the east, southeast and northeast during the transitional months in fall and early spring. Natural ventilation through open windows and doors is desirable then, even in homes that are air conditioned in the summer months.

In the summer months, winds from the south, southeast and southwest force warm, humid air into homes. Thus, to keep air-conditioned homes cool, energy use increases. To decrease energy use, shrubs and trees should be positioned to divert warm winds away from homes. For naturally ventilated homes, properly-placed vegetation can channel cool breezes toward open windows and doors.

In coastal areas daily breezes of adequate velocity may moderate temperatures. Inland areas, however, must depend on factors that direct or enhance the modest wind flow. Home and vegetation placement may create channels that promote good air flow for unair-conditioned spaces in summer, spring and fall, and air-conditioned areas in spring and fall.

[keehah]

Would most like to think it was a controlled burn to protect the beaches rather than an out of control explosion from a giant methane bubble?

Would a 'controlled burn' really involve the evacuation of a city? (No)

[Heimdhal]

Would most like to think it was a controlled burn to protect the beaches rather than an out of control explosion from a giant methane bubble?

Would a 'controlled burn' really involve the evacuation of a city? (No)


The methane isnt what worries me nearly as much as the 'controlled burn'. At those depths, methane is basicaly ice crystals. It doesnt seem theres a giant gas bubble under the ocean about to explode. Im no expert though.

The controlled burn worries me, because as with burning ANY chemical coctail, there is obviously going to be a byproduct and generaly that is poisonous gasses released into the air. We know these gasses are already evaporating into the atmosphere and making workers and gulf residents sick. What happens when you add an entirley new chemical reaction (fire/heat) into the mix?

Controlled burns can easily become uncontrolled. But even controlled burns will produce air borne toxins......something to think about, for sure.

[Large Sarge]

we can look at katrina/rita as an example

evacuation was at the bottom of the list

these folks want "continuation of govt"

which means seizing power


during katrina/rita, you saw the federal govt make major power grabs from the state/county/city


I expect that will be a repeat, how it plays out I am unsure.

if there are forced evacuations, they will be very very late in the game IMO

more about maintaining power, and control, than evacuations IMO

[StackerKen]

Would most like to think it was a controlled burn to protect the beaches rather than an out of control explosion from a giant methane bubble?

Would a 'controlled burn' really involve the evacuation of a city? (No)


The methane isnt what worries me nearly as much as the 'controlled burn'. At those depths, methane is basicaly ice crystals. It doesnt seem theres a giant gas bubble under the ocean about to explode. Im no expert though.

The controlled burn worries me, because as with burning ANY chemical coctail, there is obviously going to be a byproduct and generaly that is poisonous gasses released into the air. We know these gasses are already evaporating into the atmosphere and making workers and gulf residents sick. What happens when you add an entirley new chemical reaction (fire/heat) into the mix?

Controlled burns can easily become uncontrolled. But even controlled burns will produce air borne toxins......something to think about, for sure.


It does sound kinda crazy to start the sea on fire....Im not sure how they control that.

Reminds me of Kuwait ....remember all the oil that burned there?

I wonder what the air was like there. and how many health problems people had that lived near there.

http://www.thepersiangulf.org/cities/kuwaitd.jpg



Landsat image of Kuwait during May of 1991:
Several fires, and their plumes. Light plumes came from brine layers. The scene is roughly 10 km wide.

http://climate.gsfc.nasa.gov/static/cahalan/KuwaitFires/Images/OilFires.gif

[Large Sarge]

I was over in the gulf war, and there during the oil fires.

the sun was literally blotted out.

it was very very thick

it all depended on which way the prevailing winds blew from, "sunny and clear one day" the next was a blackout

[StackerKen]

I was over in the gulf war, and there during the oil fires.

the sun was literally blotted out.

it was very very thick

it all depended on which way the prevailing winds blew from, "sunny and clear one day" the next was a blackout




Wow Sarge that musta been scary...will you tell us more?
Was it hard to breathe on the bad days?
Could you smell it?
Did any soot fall down?

[Large Sarge]

just a brief recount

hours/days of boredom, followed by minutes/hours of blind terror. (repeat )

only saw 1 rainstorm during the whole time there (about 11 months)

so no oil rains.

the desert is covered in grass seeds all year, and after it rains (the one time), the whole desert goes green, one of the prettiest things I have ever seen, everything is green.

the grass is spaced pretty far apart (each blade), but from a distance looks like a lush green valley.

the grass lasts about 2 weeks total, then dies off, and blows away, until the rain next year.

Got to eat some camel meat, pretty greasy, but surprisingly good.

some good memories, some not so good ones also.

[sunshine05]

I was over in the gulf war, and there during the oil fires.

the sun was literally blotted out.

it was very very thick

it all depended on which way the prevailing winds blew from, "sunny and clear one day" the next was a blackout




My husband was a marine over there and he described it the same way. Then he said it rained and everything was coated with black stuff, it was black rain and then he said a couple days later it was all gone.

[Large Sarge]

I will say one more thing, in hindsight, I suspect the oil played a role in so many gulf veterans getting ill/dropping dead.

until this whole gulf oil thing came along, I never knew how dangerous that stuff was.

I always blamed the DU, Chem Weapons, Vaccines, etc

[k-os]

I will say one more thing, in hindsight, I suspect the oil played a role in so many gulf veterans getting ill/dropping dead.

until this whole gulf oil thing came along, I never knew how dangerous that stuff was.

I always blamed the DU, Chem Weapons, Vaccines, etc



So maybe Gulf War Syndrome was from burning the oil? Eeeek!

Thanks for your synopsis of your experience over there.

[Liquid]

Glad you are still with us Sarge!

[StackerKen]

Eeeek!



LOL

Eeeek

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:xpzWxYLOHDGPpM:http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_reeo_0uYuKM/SB8EfKpr85I/AAAAAAAAA6M/O3G8fPTpFvw/s1600/scared_cat.jpg

[StackerKen]

Glad you are still with us Sarge!


I 2nd that

Thanks for serving Sarge

[Ponce]

The oil wells were set on fire on purpose not to destroy them but for the US satellites not to see what was going on and send in their planes.

[Steal]

The oil wells were set on fire on purpose not to destroy them but for the US satellites not to see what was going on and send in their planes.

+1. Also mimicked this past year in a few areas via using stackes of old tires.