BP oil spill Corexit dispersants suspected in widespread crop damage

[Ares]

Just when you thought the damages BP could cause was limited to beaches, marshes, oceans, people's livelihoods, birds and marine life, there's more.

BP's favorite dispersant Corexit 9500 is being sprayed at the oil gusher on the ocean floor. Corexit is also being air sprayed across hundreds of miles of oil slicks all across the gulf. There have been widespread reports of oil cleanup crews reporting various injuries including respiratory distress, dizziness and headaches.

Corexit 9500 is a solvent originally developed by Exxon and now manufactured by the Nalco of Naperville, Illinois. Corexit is is four times more toxic than oil (oil is toxic at 11 ppm (parts per million), Corexit 9500 at only 2.61ppm).

In a report written by Anita George-Ares and James R. Clark for Exxon Biomedical Sciences, Inc. titled "Acute Aquatic Toxicity of Three Corexit Products: An Overview" Corexit 9500 was found to be one of the most toxic dispersal agents ever developed.

According to the Clark and George-Ares report, Corexit mixed with the higher gulf coast water temperatures becomes even more toxic. The UK's Marine Management Organization has banned Corexit so if there was a spill in the UK's North Sea, BP is banned from using Corexit.

The danger to humans can be expected. The warnings on the Corexit packaging is straightforward. Breathing in Corexit is not recommended.

<img src="http://imgs.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/ybenjamin/2010/05/31/Corexit600x236.jpg"/>


It seems NALCO Corexit is also dangerous to crops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTTRxjCgFU0


It seems like damage brought by the oil gusher has spread way beyond the ocean, coastal areas and beaches. Collateral damage now appears to include agricultural damage way inland Mississippi.

A mysterious "disease" has caused widespread damage to plants from weeds to farmed organic and conventionally grown crops. There is very strong suspicion that ocean winds have blown Corexit aerosol plumes or droplets and that dispersants have caused the unexplained widespread damage or "disease".

PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO: WIDESPREAD MYSTERIOUS CROP DAMAGE IN GULF AREA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvh7JfaLXqQ



There is no other explanation for the crop damage. Everything points to something that has a widespread effect on plants and crops. While no one precisely knows, all the signs point to BP's use of aerosolized Corexit brought inland by the ocean winds or rain.

Remember acid rain? Now it seems we could have toxic dispersant rain. (http://www.eutimes.net/2010/05/toxic-oil-spill-rains-warned-could-destroy-north-america)


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ybenjamin/detail?entry_id=65552#ixzz0rziTFYj1

[gunDriller]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ybenjamin/detail?entry_id=65552#ixzz0rziTFYj1


sfgate.com is the primary newspaper, paper & on-line, in the SF Bay Area, that and the Mercury News.

this is about the most "mainstream media" coverage i've seen of the Corexit toxicity.

[Ares]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ybenjamin/detail?entry_id=65552#ixzz0rziTFYj1


sfgate.com is the primary newspaper, paper & on-line, in the SF Bay Area, that and the Mercury News.

this is about the most "mainstream media" coverage i've seen of the Corexit toxicity.


Same here, I thought it pretty important that they covered it that I copied everything they had in the article. Pictures, and videos.

Hopefully more people take this article and pass it along and let their friends and family know that BP is poisoning not only our Gulf of Mexico but also our land.

[uranian]

here (http://lmrk.org/corexit_9500_uscueg.539287.pdf)'s the material data safety sheet on the stuff. some highlights:


No toxicity studies have been conducted on this product.

Based on our hazard characterization, the potential human hazard is: Moderate

Component substances have a potential to bioconcentrate.

The product should be reported under the following indicated EPA hazard categories:Immediate (Acute) Health Hazard

20mg per litre (assuming its density is similar to water, that's a 2% solution of the stuff) over 48 hours was enough to kill half a population of brine shrimps.

surprisingly, the wiki entry on its toxicity appears fairly accurate:


The relative toxicity of Corexit and other dispersants are difficult to determine due to a scarcity of scientific data.[3] The manufacturer's safety data sheet states "No toxicity studies have been conducted on this product," and later concludes "The potential human hazard is: Low."[21] According to the manufacturer's website, workers applying Corexit should wear breathing protection and work in a ventilated area.[22] Compared with 12 other dispersants listed by the EPA, Corexit 9500 and 9527 are either similarly toxic or 10 to 20 times more toxic.[8]

Corexit 9527, considered by the EPA to be an acute health hazard, is stated by its manufacturer to be potentially harmful to red blood cells, the kidneys and the liver, and may irritate eyes and skin.[23][5] The chemical 2-butoxyethanol, found in Corexit 9527, was identified as having caused lasting health problems in workers involved in the cleanup of the Exxon Valdez oil spill.[24] According to the Alaska Community Action on Toxics, the use of Corexit during the Exxon Valdez oil spill caused people "respiratory, nervous system, liver, kidney and blood disorders".[15] Like 9527, 9500 can cause hemolysis (rupture of blood cells) and may also cause internal bleeding.[4]

According to the EPA, Corexit is more toxic than dispersants made by several competitors and less effective in handling southern Louisiana crude.[25] On May 20, 2010, the EPA ordered BP to look for less toxic alternatives to Corexit, and later ordered BP to stop spraying dispersants, but BP responded that it thought that Corexit was the best alternative and continued to spray it.[3]

Reportedly Corexit may be toxic to marine life and helps keep spilled oil submerged. There is concern that the quantities used in the Gulf will create 'unprecedented underwater damage to organisms.'[26] Nalco spokesman Charlie Pajor said that oil mixed with Corexit is "more toxic to marine life, but less toxic to life along the shore and animals at the surface" because the dispersant allows the oil to stay submerged below the surface of the water.[27] Corexit 9500 causes oil to form into small droplets in the water; fish may be harmed when they eat these droplets.[4] According to its Material safety data sheet, Corexit may also bioaccumulate, remaining in the flesh and building up over time.[28] Thus predators who eat smaller fish with the toxin in their systems may end up with much higher levels in their flesh.[4]

[Ares]

It does show that the Russian scientist were correct in assessing that because of the warm waters in the Gulf of Mexico, that it would evaporate into the clouds and rain inland.

[PatColo]

caught this article yesterday, Toxic Rain Hysteria Fueled by Internet Hoaxer… (http://beforeitsnews.com/news/86/600/Toxic_Rain_Hysteria_Fueled_by_Internet_Hoaxer.html )

tries to cast doubt on the toxic rain notion based on the fact that Sorcha Faal/David Booth touched it at some point. I don't doubt the toxic rain/VOC theory, Faal/Booth or not, since I believe the gulf catastrophe has been planned/orchestrated by the satanists to further their various agendas, and that poisoned land/oceans is part of their script.

The article does note this little CNN clip, critical of them for "reading internet rumors"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kSWsozpcCY&feature=player_embedded

[Spectrism]

caught this article yesterday, Toxic Rain Hysteria Fueled by Internet Hoaxer… (http://beforeitsnews.com/news/86/600/Toxic_Rain_Hysteria_Fueled_by_Internet_Hoaxer.html )

tries to cast doubt on the toxic rain notion based on the fact that Sorcha Faal/David Booth touched it at some point. I don't doubt the toxic rain/VOC theory, Faal/Booth or not, since I believe the gulf catastrophe has been planned/orchestrated by the satanists to further their various agendas, and that poisoned land/oceans is part of their script.

The article does note this little CNN clip, critical of them for "reading internet rumors"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kSWsozpcCY&feature=player_embedded


Both those people in the news room are morons. The meterologist SHOULD know better than that poor display of stupidity. She is trying to say (and had mr dumbass half convinced) that only water can condense- even though she used the wrong word "particulate".

How do you get moonshine? You distill the alcohol as it evaporates quicker than the water. You get more alcohol at first evaporating and you cool it using chilled copper (or stainless if you are a high class stiller) tubing.

How do you get gasoline and other petroleum distillates? Same way!

In the right conditions, what evaporates can condense. Personal experience: my uncle had an unoccuppied house. In the winter, a toilet water supply line froze and burst.... on the second floor. Water leaked for days into the house. When it was coming out the windows and sides of the house and freezing in great ice chunks, a neighbor called.

I went there to see it. The neighbor had been pumping water from the basement long before I got there and there was still 3 feet of water there. Inside the house on all the ceilings I saw heating oil. The water level never got to the ceilings so I pondered on how that could be. When the basement flooded, the oil tank leaked out. The oil evaporated and condensed all over the house on colder surfaces.

Now, this was winter time with ice still hanging onto the sides of the house. If heating oil can evaporate at temporatures of 35-40F, why won't it evaporate at 90F? And as that oil vapor reaches cooler altitudes or gets blown into a cooled tree leaf, vegetable garden or sudden high pressure cool breeze, it will condense.

[Ponce]

I wrote in the beginning what was going to happen when the weather became warmer.......why are you guys so surprised now?, or do you believe only coats and ties with a PhD behind their names that like to use long names for everything?

Something else coming out from the bottom of the ocean and it won't be very nice.

First and last post post of the day.......goo luck to everyone.

[Spectrism]

I wrote in the beginning what was going to happen when the weather became warmer.......why are you guys so surprised now?, or do you believe only coats and ties with a PhD behind their names that like to use long names for everything?

Something else coming out from the bottom of the ocean and it won't be very nice.

First and last post post of the day.......goo luck to everyone.




Hey Ponce... are all Cubans so self-congratulatory and blinded to what others are saying?

[JohnQPublic]

...Remember acid rain? ...

Be careful. If I recall properly, acid rain was shown to be a fraud- much like the CFCs and the ozone hole, enventually likely global warming. This Corexit thing may be real.

[Horn]

Morning Spectro, and these particular distillates are the finest cutting edge in chemical engineering.

I wholly imagine they are capable of clinging onto a couple of oil modules whilst dispersing into the ether.

Also notice the level of sophistication in the equipment and delivery systems of said aerosols in the vid below


One could hardly imagine the amount of vestment fully utilized in such procedures.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTTRxjCgFU0&feature=player_embedded#!

[gunDriller]

I wrote in the beginning what was going to happen when the weather became warmer.......why are you guys so surprised now?, or do you believe only coats and ties with a PhD behind their names that like to use long names for everything?

Something else coming out from the bottom of the ocean and it won't be very nice.

First and last post post of the day.......goo luck to everyone.

last post of the day ? are you going fishing today ? 8)


actually, by far the most dishonest people i've met & worked with in the United States were MD and or PhD types.

as far as i can tell, the Corexit sh*t is being used way down deep and on the surface.

BP must think that poisoning the ocean is not actionable, in a legal sense.

i already had the feeling that the primary industry to benefit from the financial scams of the 00's was the legal industry.

well, i have a feeling there will be a lot of legal activity around this oil spill.

i wouldn't be surprised to see other nations whose beaches are poisoned - e.g. Brazil and Mexico - filing suit against BP.

i think after the first month Obama & the US government began to share liability for the ongoing disaster.

[I am me, I am free]

Both those people in the news room are morons. The meterologist SHOULD know better than that poor display of stupidity. She is trying to say (and had mr dumbass half convinced) that only water can condense- even though she used the wrong word "particulate".

How do you get moonshine? You distill the alcohol as it evaporates quicker than the water. You get more alcohol at first evaporating and you cool it using chilled copper (or stainless if you are a high class stiller) tubing.

How do you get gasoline and other petroleum distillates? Same way!

In the right conditions, what evaporates can condense. Personal experience: my uncle had an unoccuppied house. In the winter, a toilet water supply line froze and burst.... on the second floor. Water leaked for days into the house. When it was coming out the windows and sides of the house and freezing in great ice chunks, a neighbor called.

I went there to see it. The neighbor had been pumping water from the basement long before I got there and there was still 3 feet of water there. Inside the house on all the ceilings I saw heating oil. The water level never got to the ceilings so I pondered on how that could be. When the basement flooded, the oil tank leaked out. The oil evaporated and condensed all over the house on colder surfaces.

Now, this was winter time with ice still hanging onto the sides of the house. If heating oil can evaporate at temporatures of 35-40F, why won't it evaporate at 90F? And as that oil vapor reaches cooler altitudes or gets blown into a cooled tree leaf, vegetable garden or sudden high pressure cool breeze, it will condense.


What you're suggesting defines the laws of physics, unless the inside temperature of that house hit ~126 degrees F. Number 2 fuel oil has a flash point of 52 °C (126 °F).

Until folks catch the rainwater and immediately secure it for certified chemical analysis we'll never know for sure what toxic cocktail is precipitating out along with the rainwater.

[7th trump]

Both those people in the news room are morons. The meterologist SHOULD know better than that poor display of stupidity. She is trying to say (and had mr dumbass half convinced) that only water can condense- even though she used the wrong word "particulate".

How do you get moonshine? You distill the alcohol as it evaporates quicker than the water. You get more alcohol at first evaporating and you cool it using chilled copper (or stainless if you are a high class stiller) tubing.

How do you get gasoline and other petroleum distillates? Same way!

In the right conditions, what evaporates can condense. Personal experience: my uncle had an unoccuppied house. In the winter, a toilet water supply line froze and burst.... on the second floor. Water leaked for days into the house. When it was coming out the windows and sides of the house and freezing in great ice chunks, a neighbor called.

I went there to see it. The neighbor had been pumping water from the basement long before I got there and there was still 3 feet of water there. Inside the house on all the ceilings I saw heating oil. The water level never got to the ceilings so I pondered on how that could be. When the basement flooded, the oil tank leaked out. The oil evaporated and condensed all over the house on colder surfaces.

Now, this was winter time with ice still hanging onto the sides of the house. If heating oil can evaporate at temporatures of 35-40F, why won't it evaporate at 90F? And as that oil vapor reaches cooler altitudes or gets blown into a cooled tree leaf, vegetable garden or sudden high pressure cool breeze, it will condense.


What you're suggesting defines the laws of physics, unless the inside temperature of that house hit ~126 degrees F. Number 2 fuel oil has a flash point of 52 °C (126 °F).

Until folks catch the rainwater and immediately secure it for certified chemical analysis we'll never know for sure what toxic cocktail is precipitating out along with the rainwater.

Hey I'am, I do not know much about you but growing up on a farm in the midwest we did our own maintainence on farm equipment like tractors and such. Anyway we'd drain the used oil and dump it in a metal container and use it on the weeds on the fences lines. We would wait until we had enough oil to pour on a length of fence line and low and behold the oil from previous oil changes was lower from the last time we added oil.
It actually evapourates in 85+ degree's with 95+ humidity from a 5 gallon metal bucket.
Yea sure its used refined oil with additives compared to crude oil, but gasoline is oil and it evaporates in a matter of hours.
And to add to Specs post about oil evaporating in low temperature just look at dew points. We have dew points in the 20's here in the Iowa winters which makes me have to scrape my windshield, but technically there shouldnt be any dew point below 32 degree's right? But dew points in winter here in the midwest are found in the low to mid teens.
I think you need to reconsider where you are getting your information to make rational conclusions.

[Horn]

The advent of dispersants into the mix changes the composition of the oil into a brew that acts barely if at all like normal "oil".

Add that to the normal breakdown salty seawater has on the bulk, and you're toying with nature in ways & on a scale unimaginable, and impossible to duplicate in any localized testing.

[The Great Ag]

Here in Delaware there are NO signs of bleaching or burning on the crops. I have asked several farmers, small and large.

Could this be dispersant? Maybe. Until chemical analysis is done, everything is just speculation.

The Great Ag

[7th trump]

I've seen ozone pockets turn leaves yellow on soy bean and other foliage. Nothing spotty though just turns leaves yellow gradually which the plant recovers.

[the riot act]

...Remember acid rain? ...

Be careful. If I recall properly, acid rain was shown to be a fraud- much like the CFCs and the ozone hole, enventually likely global warming. This Corexit thing may be real.


I'm not to worried about the oil in relation to the Corexit. Oil is organic, Corexit isn't, and dangerous. So far for us down here on the east coast of fla we have had winds blowing WNW.

We do have full face respirators and some tyvek suits, but I sure as hell don't want to get into tyvek with these temperatures.

[Brent]

I wrote in the beginning what was going to happen when the weather became warmer.......why are you guys so surprised now?, or do you believe only coats and ties with a PhD behind their names that like to use long names for everything?

Something else coming out from the bottom of the ocean and it won't be very nice.

First and last post post of the day.......goo luck to everyone.




Hey Ponce... are all Cubans so self-congratulatory and blinded to what others are saying?


I am pretty sure that it is just this one.

Have to say though, I find it highly entertaining. Especially when he is wrong so often and so often completely misreads(or misunderstands) what people have written. Ponces massive ego is something that you hear about often but rarely get to see in action, I get quite a few laughs out of it.

[Spectrism]

Both those people in the news room are morons. The meterologist SHOULD know better than that poor display of stupidity. She is trying to say (and had mr dumbass half convinced) that only water can condense- even though she used the wrong word "particulate".

How do you get moonshine? You distill the alcohol as it evaporates quicker than the water. You get more alcohol at first evaporating and you cool it using chilled copper (or stainless if you are a high class stiller) tubing.

How do you get gasoline and other petroleum distillates? Same way!

In the right conditions, what evaporates can condense. Personal experience: my uncle had an unoccuppied house. In the winter, a toilet water supply line froze and burst.... on the second floor. Water leaked for days into the house. When it was coming out the windows and sides of the house and freezing in great ice chunks, a neighbor called.

I went there to see it. The neighbor had been pumping water from the basement long before I got there and there was still 3 feet of water there. Inside the house on all the ceilings I saw heating oil. The water level never got to the ceilings so I pondered on how that could be. When the basement flooded, the oil tank leaked out. The oil evaporated and condensed all over the house on colder surfaces.

Now, this was winter time with ice still hanging onto the sides of the house. If heating oil can evaporate at temporatures of 35-40F, why won't it evaporate at 90F? And as that oil vapor reaches cooler altitudes or gets blown into a cooled tree leaf, vegetable garden or sudden high pressure cool breeze, it will condense.


What you're suggesting defines the laws of physics, unless the inside temperature of that house hit ~126 degrees F. Number 2 fuel oil has a flash point of 52 °C (126 °F).

Until folks catch the rainwater and immediately secure it for certified chemical analysis we'll never know for sure what toxic cocktail is precipitating out along with the rainwater.


Flash point is for 100% evaporation. We are talking SMALL percentages of evaporation of the most volatile components. Here is a simple test. Can you smell it? If so, then you are smelling something that evaporated. There is an equilibrium reached in a closed system far under any boiling points. In such an equilibrium, temperature and pressure largely determine how much of a liquid can be held as a vapor. Some vapor condenses while some liquid evaporates. Now in an open system, the places of evaporation and condensation are typically different. What evaporates in one location will condense in another. Since people are smelling "oil", you KNOW that "oil" is evaporating.

[EE_]

I probably missed this part of the discussion...but why is BP using the dispersants?
What is BP's stated reason and what do you believe the real reason is?