BART cop trial ending, preparations for a possible riot.

[Liquid]

As the BART cop trial comes to a close...could be as soon as this next week that a verdic will be in, there's been calls for protests planned the evening the verdict is announced.

It's well known that the police have been preparing for it, both in Oakland, and LA, and perhaps other communities.

I highly doubt that the cop, Mehserle, will be charged (edit...convicted of) murder, since that would require proving malice aforthought. My question is, does this have the makings for a repeat of the LA riots? Or, will this just fizzle out and turn out to be nothing?

Here's some links..

http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=2010061707481853

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/kalw/detail?entry_id=66606

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=7506312

[Cebu_4_2]

MSM will black it out, how info gets out is what will determine the outcome. Will be very interesting to see.

[willie pete]

From what I've read, they did charge him with murder, I'd like to know IF the jury can consider a lesser charge like Voluntary Manslaughter? If not, he'll probably walk free, I think it'll be really hard to convict him of murder (legalistically speaking) and IM carries prison time, but not that much;

Involuntary Manslaughter
California Penal Code 192 (b) PC involuntary manslaughter is a felony. A conviction subjects you to:

formal probation,

a two, three, or four-year California State Prison sentence,

a maximum $10,000 fine, and

possible professional repercussions (if you hold a professional license).

In addition, California involuntary manslaughter law also addresses civil wrongs. If, for example, you are found liable for unlawfully causing another’s death in a civil suit (in a medical malpractice case, for example), you could face substantial additional fines

[Liquid]

Oops, thanks willie pete. I meant convicted of murder...in the first post, not charged. He is being charged with murder, you are correct.

Anyway, I don't think anything good is going to come out of this. He's not going to get convicted of murder. There's dangerous racist black organizations, such as the Ururu movement, and staged anarchists that will be at these 'peaceful' gatherings the night of the verdict. They want a murder conviction, and chaos as well.

The stage is set for this to get out control, quickly. I read somewhere that the 92 LA riots, one cause, was because of high unemployment and a recession....hmm, coincidence maybe?

This may be one 4th of July weekend to remember.

[Heimdhal]

Didnt they catch this guy on the run with his G/F or something in Arizona?

Im not sure hell walk free, but Im not sure hell get the murder charge he deserves.

I could definitley see rodney king style riots if he walks or gets some slap on the wrist. Quite a few officers were shot just after this incident happened, the people in oakland were PISSED.

I can also see a so called media black out, but I think with the prevelence of Youtube, twitter, etc that didnt exist in the 90's well see this thing from the street level from a hundred different angles either way.

[Liquid]

Didnt they catch this guy on the run with his G/F or something in Arizona?


That's what started the first set of small riots in Oakland. The cop claiming to have received death threats fled to Nevada. When he was released on a 3 mil bail being deemed a flight risk...his release, prompted demonstrations cause damage downtown. They were small laughable riots though.

Hopefully all that happens is the same this time.

[wildcard]

They will say he's guilty and cart him off to a safe place and then in a month or two quietly release him. Either that or Oakland will burn and cops will die.

*and this sh*tbird deserves to die

**and the homeys are plugged in, they use all those social pages to create those flashmob parties. Don't think they won't ride on Oakland.

[gunDriller]

I highly doubt that the cop, Mehserle, will be charged (edit...convicted of) murder, since that would require proving malice aforthought. My question is, does this have the makings for a repeat of the LA riots? Or, will this just fizzle out and turn out to be nothing?


yes.

generally i get along well with black people, and have lived near poor African Americans, housing projects. i tended to walk for exercise and i was always fascinated by housing projects ... a potentially fatal hobby 8)

BUT - the last time i was in Oakland, a black man threatened to kill me. i asked a woman for directions and he said something like "kill you for talking to my wives."

i sort of ignorred him, but obviously if he'd pulled a gun it could have been way too interesting. it was right next to the 19th Ave. Oakland BART station. there's actually a really nice ice skating rink there. if you can manage not to get shot on the way to it 8)

there's a lot of bad cops out there, and they deserve to be held accountable, just like the innocent citizens they seem to Taze so easily.

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

Run of the mill ghetto Blacks are easy enough to get along with if you're the type that wags his tail in their presence.

[Liquid]

BUT - the last time i was in Oakland, a black man threatened to kill me. i asked a woman for directions and he said something like "kill you for talking to my wives."


You must have met the man with 7 wives, were you asking directions to St Ives? Was he drinking a 40 of St Ides? ;D

[Liquid]

**and the homeys are plugged in, they use all those social pages to create those flashmob parties. Don't think they won't ride on Oakland.


Agreed, plugged in and pissed off. If Oakland burns, so will LA, over this.

[wildcard]

Run of the mill ghetto Blacks are easy enough to get along with if you're the type that wags his tail in their presence.


Nah, rule is: Look hard or don't look at all.

[willie pete]

Oops, thanks willie pete. I meant convicted of murder...in the first post, not charged. He is being charged with murder, you are correct.

Anyway, I don't think anything good is going to come out of this. He's not going to get convicted of murder. There's dangerous racist black organizations, such as the Ururu movement, and staged anarchists that will be at these 'peaceful' gatherings the night of the verdict. They want a murder conviction, and chaos as well.

The stage is set for this to get out control, quickly. I read somewhere that the 92 LA riots, one cause, was because of high unemployment and a recession....hmm, coincidence maybe?

This may be one 4th of July weekend to remember.


I thought that maybe that's why the DA charged him with murder, because he knew it'd be a long shot to get a conviction, I'm just wondering IF the jury can consider Involuntary Manslaughter, they may not have that option, and if they don't, then he'll probably walk, and since the cop was in the process of restraining him(in one of the articles, I did read that the other cop had already told the victim he was under arrest, SO, that part IS crucial, once someone is under arrest, that removes a Lot of burden off the cops) a murder conviction proving malice of fore thought will be hard to get ...just my 2 cents :D

Murder Law in California


Below is the Judicial Council of California's jury instruction for murder. It explains what the prosecution must prove before a person can be convicted of this charge:

To prove that the defendant is guilty of murder, the People must prove that:

1. The defendant committed an act that caused the death of another person or a fetus;

AND

2. When the defendant acted, he/she had a state of mind called malice aforethought;

AND

3. He/She killed without lawful excuse or justification.

Two kinds of malice aforethought exist: express malice and implied malice. Proof of either one is sufficient to establish the state of mind required for murder.

The murder defendant acted with express malice if he/she unlawfully intended to kill.

The murder defendant acted with implied malice if:

1. He/She intentionally committed an act;

2. The natural consequences of the act were dangerous to human life;

3. At the time he/she acted, he/she knew his/her act was dangerous to human life;

AND

4. He/She deliberately acted with conscious disregard for human or fetal life.

Malice aforethought does not require hatred or ill will toward the victim. It is a mental state that must be formed before the act that causes death is committed. It does not require deliberation or the passage of any particular period of time.

A fetus is an unborn human being that has progressed beyond the embryonic stage after major structures have been outlined, which occurs at seven to eight weeks of development.

An act causes death in a murder case if the death is the direct, natural, and probable consequence of the act and the death would not have happened without the act. A natural and probable consequence is one that a reasonable person would know is likely to happen if nothing unusual intervenes. In deciding whether a consequence is natural and probable, consider all of the circumstances established by the evidence.

[wildcard]

**and the homeys are plugged in, they use all those social pages to create those flashmob parties. Don't think they won't ride on Oakland.


Agreed, plugged in and pissed off. If Oakland burns, so will LA, over this.


I'm pretty sure the latrinos have taken over L.A. Compton is now brown.

[Liquid]

I'm pretty sure the latrinos have taken over L.A. Compton is now brown.


Most of the looting in the LA riots was from Latinos. Angry blacks in the inner cities mostly break things, light cars on fire, leave a path of destruction. Latinos in the poorer areas, like to loot.

Maybe Oakland will burn, and LA will get looted again. ;D

[wildcard]

Right you are. I was thinking of actually having a reason to be pissed off and burn sh*t down and kill people. You've reminded me they need no reason. ;D

*hey vato! the jiggas are rioteeng!
What? They can't outdo us! Load up the '64, we're going to town.

[Liquid]

Great post Willie. I think they charged him with murder to keep riots from happening at the time. Proving malice of fore thought will be extremely tough, the video shows the officer 'surprised' when the gun went off. The tazer defense, which is BS, most likely will get him a slap on the wrist of involuntary manslaughter.

Anyway, the murder charge thing, may have only postponed a riot situation.

This is a very interesting situation to follow.

[Liquid]

Right you are. I was thinking of actually having a reason to be pissed off and burn sh*t down and kill people. You've reminded me they need no reason. ;D

*hey vato! the jiggas are rioteeng!
What? They can't outdo us! Load up the '64, we're going to town.


LOL. I'd just like to state not ALL latinos or blacks, of course, are like that. Just a portion...the portion that does like the opportunity is the ones that break things and loot places.

I personally know some black and hispanic folks that are very nice, honest, trustworthy folks.

[wildcard]

If it was truly a jury of the people of the area then the cop is toast. There is no tazer defense. I could never justify a full grown man sitting on a kid with his knee on his head and 2 or 3 of his buddies helping being allowed to tazer the kid.

[willie pete]

Great post Willie. I think they charged him with murder to keep riots from happening at the time. Proving malice of fore thought will be extremely tough, the video shows the officer 'surprised' when the gun went off. The tazer defense, which is BS, most likely will get him a slap on the wrist of involuntary manslaughter.

Anyway, the murder charge thing, may have only postponed a riot situation.

This is a very interesting situation to follow.


Yep, I think da riots are on the way....and listen, quiet......in the background you'll hear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_sY2rjxq6M

:lol :lol :lol :lol

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

Somewhere along the line some hapless whites are going to get killed over this.

[BrewTech]

Somewhere along the line some hapless whites are going to get killed over this.


A replay of this seems inevitable...:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Denny_incident

[JDRock]

Didnt they catch this guy on the run with his G/F or something in Arizona?


They were small laughable riots though.




ALL riots are small and laughable..EXEPT the ones STARTED by tptb for the purposes of creating the illusion of instability.......causing the sheep to bleat loudly for more police... :oo-->

[Brent]

Right you are. I was thinking of actually having a reason to be pissed off and burn sh*t down and kill people. You've reminded me they need no reason. ;D

*hey vato! the jiggas are rioteeng!
What? They can't outdo us! Load up the '64, we're going to town.


LOL. I'd just like to state not ALL latinos or blacks, of course, are like that. Just a portion...the portion that does like the opportunity is the ones that break things and loot places.

I personally know some black and hispanic folks that are very nice, honest, trustworthy folks.


LMFAO

You perfectly fit the mold for someone who is terrified of being considered "racist". This post is the perfect example of it. Not only did you include the "Well not all Blacks and hispanics are like that" but you also threw in there the every so popular, "Well I personally know some blacks/hispanics OR Well I have friends who are Black/Hispanic so I cant be a racist."

Thanks for the laugh I needed that this morning.

As to the topic well it is obvious, if the MSM reports on it and blows it out of proportion the excrement will riot, if they don't there will still be a few riots but not nearly on the same scale.

What I dont understand is why White America still puts up with this crap. I expect most hate it and would love to do something about it but like our poster above are terrified of being considered "Racist" or a "hater". Or they are just to chicken-shit to even acknowledge the obvious facts of reality around them and instead immerse themselves in alternate realities of their own making.

[Liquid]

Great, now we'll have another thread derailed because of hate and racism.

Brent, you are proof that assholes come in all races.

[wildcard]

I agree completely with Brent. And if it's derailed then you assisted in the derail by saying LA would still riot after I said it was mostly mexicans now.

*and btw, that makes YOU a racist. ;D

[Liquid]

I agree completely with Brent. And if it's derailed then you assisted in the derail by saying LA would still riot after I said it was mostly mexicans now.

*and btw, that makes YOU a racist. ;D


Hey, race does play a big part of this whole thread. That's a fact, I just didn't want to see it destoyed like so many other threads with back and forth racism and hater comments.

I am not a racist, btw.

[wildcard]

Totally racist. Let me drop you off in compton to ask them.

[Liquid]

Totally racist. Let me drop you off in compton to ask them.


Listen idiot, I can't believe YOU of all people, have the nerve to call me a racist. You are the one who bashes ALL jews, bashes ALL latinos, and anyone that doesn't look and think like you.

I acknowledge there's differences between all races and cultures, but I judge each person as individuals.

Piss off.

[wildcard]

Totally racist. Let me drop you off in compton to ask them.


Listen idiot, I can't believe YOU of all people, have the nerve to call me a racist. You are the one who bashes ALL jews, bashes ALL latinos, and anyone that doesn't look and think like you.

I acknowledge there's differences between all races and cultures, but I judge each person as individuals.

Piss off.


Haha, too funny. Brent pegged you to the wall. You can't stand to be called a racist. You damned racist! Hater!

[gunDriller]

Nah, rule is: Look hard or don't look at all.


the rules are hard to keep up with.

it's easier to just avoid the 19th Ave. BART station.

there are some neighborhoods where you hope a little extra that your car won't break down.

now i'm thinking about bullet-proof glass.

i did a web search for "bullet-proof glass BMW" and all i got was this transaction window -

http://www.pacificbulletproof.com/images/products/transaction-windows/pbitw-thumb.jpg

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY27TT0WVUA

[wildcard]

Nah, rule is: Look hard or don't look at all.


the rules are hard to keep up with.

it's easier to just avoid the 19th Ave. BART station.

there are some neighborhoods where you hope a little extra that your car won't break down.

now i'm thinking about bullet-proof glass.

i did a web search for "bullet-proof glass BMW" and all i got was this transaction window -

http://www.pacificbulletproof.com/images/products/transaction-windows/pbitw-thumb.jpg



Haha! Banker safety first!


*some of these animals would kill you for scuffing their shoe. People that believe otherwise should go visit them.

[Horn]

Totally racist. Let me drop you off in compton to ask them.


Listen idiot, I can't believe YOU of all people, have the nerve to call me a racist. You are the one who bashes ALL jews, bashes ALL latinos, and anyone that doesn't look and think like you.

I acknowledge there's differences between all races and cultures, but I judge each person as individuals.

Piss off.


http://www.australiasigns.com.au/gal/safetygal/thumbs/lrg-114-burg-quality-approved.jpg

[wildcard]

Hey Rusty, you're wasting bandwidth again:

http://static.open.salon.com/files/rumsfeld-making-jerk-off1246219963.jpg

[Horn]

We all know the verdict-um here, is obvious... :-*

http://richardwiseman.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/judge.jpg

[wildcard]

http://www.mediabistro.com/prnewser/original/Douche.jpg

[Liquid]

Here's a good article on Mehserle taking the stand..

Dated today.

http://www.overoll.com/Article/www.sfgate.com/Mehserle-on-stand-Emotion-integrity-in-focus/277219/2709133.news

[wildcard]

ROFL. Look at the name of the link, integrity in focus.

[Brent]

Great, now we'll have another thread derailed because of hate and racism.

Brent, you are proof that assholes come in all races.


Just quoting this personal attack for fun.

Damn that "hate and racism" always derailing threads. hahahaha

I should add that I don't want to see Liquid banned for his attack. I am only quoting his post to show an example of how, when faced with the truth, these types will resort to attacks upon the person instead of the argument.

Btw, WC, you are cracking me up man. To funny ;D

[Brent]

Totally racist. Let me drop you off in compton to ask them.


Listen idiot, I can't believe YOU of all people, have the nerve to call me a racist. You are the one who bashes ALL jews, bashes ALL latinos, and anyone that doesn't look and think like you.

I acknowledge there's differences between all races and cultures, but I judge each person as individuals.

Piss off.


I would pay good money to see him "judge each person as an individual" on the streets of Detroit (Or some other city filled with groids) for one night.

You do realize that going through life only judging each person as an individual with no stereotypes or generalizations is not only impossible but also highly dangerous? Of course you don't.

Each of us generalizes and stereotypes whether we like it or not it is an inborn human trait that will never be extinguished.

Btw I just realized that this post was yet another personal attack. LOL Apparently somebody wants to take a break from the nasty racism and haters.

[wildcard]

It's ok, he'll see through that brainwashed rage soon enough.

[madfranks]

Totally racist. Let me drop you off in compton to ask them.


Listen idiot, I can't believe YOU of all people, have the nerve to call me a racist. You are the one who bashes ALL jews, bashes ALL latinos, and anyone that doesn't look and think like you.

I acknowledge there's differences between all races and cultures, but I judge each person as individuals.

Piss off.


Haha, too funny. Brent pegged you to the wall. You can't stand to be called a racist. You damned racist! Hater!


Wildcard & Liquid - Either knock off the name calling or take it to the thunderdome. I've been having a nice weekend and don't want to ban anyone today, but I will if I see any more personal attacks in this thread.

[Horn]

http://www.entertonement.com/clips/hwljkrrsrn--Smells-like-someone-diedMichael-Biehn-Tombstone-Johnny-Ringo-

[Liquid]

http://www.entertonement.com/clips/hwljkrrsrn--Smells-like-someone-diedMichael-Biehn-Tombstone-Johnny-Ringo-


LOL, yeah, this thread died. ;D

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

Somewhere along the line some hapless whites are going to get killed over this.


A replay of this seems inevitable...:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Denny_incident


I remember those riots. I was dumpster diving or the like on the other side of town when the ghetto went berzerk over the Rodney King verdict. I could have easily been caught up in that crap.

[wildcard]

Totally racist. Let me drop you off in compton to ask them.


Listen idiot, I can't believe YOU of all people, have the nerve to call me a racist. You are the one who bashes ALL jews, bashes ALL latinos, and anyone that doesn't look and think like you.

I acknowledge there's differences between all races and cultures, but I judge each person as individuals.

Piss off.


Haha, too funny. Brent pegged you to the wall. You can't stand to be called a racist. You damned racist! Hater!


Wildcard & Liquid - Either knock off the name calling or take it to the thunderdome. I've been having a nice weekend and don't want to ban anyone today, but I will if I see any more personal attacks in this thread.


Whatever skyvike. No warning for rusty for stirring shit again?

[wildcard]

http://www.entertonement.com/clips/hwljkrrsrn--Smells-like-someone-diedMichael-Biehn-Tombstone-Johnny-Ringo-


You say something Rusty?

http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/fat-val-kilmer.jpg

[wildcard]

And besides I didn't complain about him attacking me. So it must have been some of the other little pussies running around here. Ban me. Do me a favor.

[madfranks]

Totally racist. Let me drop you off in compton to ask them.


Listen idiot, I can't believe YOU of all people, have the nerve to call me a racist. You are the one who bashes ALL jews, bashes ALL latinos, and anyone that doesn't look and think like you.

I acknowledge there's differences between all races and cultures, but I judge each person as individuals.

Piss off.


Haha, too funny. Brent pegged you to the wall. You can't stand to be called a racist. You damned racist! Hater!


Wildcard & Liquid - Either knock off the name calling or take it to the thunderdome. I've been having a nice weekend and don't want to ban anyone today, but I will if I see any more personal attacks in this thread.


Whatever skyvike. No warning for rusty for stirring sh*t again?


Come on, you know the rules by now that personal attacks are not allowed. That's why we have a thunderdome. Tell me who "rusty" is and show me where he is stirring up the sh*t and I'll give him a warning too if he's breaking any rules.

[Horn]

Whatever skyvike. No warning for rusty for stirring sh*t again?


Another disciple trying rearrange the story of divine progression for a larger role?

Christ was actually an Indian due to the red skin.

http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad280/sapphirah444/christ-on-the-cross.jpg

[wildcard]

Here you go rusty, ba'al zebub.

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/frat.st.paul/Images/B00005O06X.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Horn]

I would pay good money to see him "judge each person as an individual" on the streets of Detroit (Or some other city filled with groids) for one night.


One things for sure, if we let Johnny Ringo edit the L.A. Times for only a single issue we'd get yur wanted race riots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUk84bKUDI0

[gunDriller]

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/frat.st.paul/Images/B00005O06X.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg


yeah, Lord of the Flies was a good depiction of a riot, English prep boy school style.

somehow the scene with the pigs head on the stick, from the book, stays in my mind.

never saw the movie.

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

Lord of the Flies is a work of fiction so it can't be used as a counter example to Black and Brown looting riots.

[Liquid]

I remember those riots. I was dumpster diving or the like on the other side of town when the ghetto went berzerk over the Rodney King verdict. I could have easily been caught up in that crap.


I was young but remember the Denny beating during the riots because I watched it live, as it was happening, on the news. I was young, but seems like it was yesterday.

I'd really hate to see a repeat of that.

[willie pete]

There's really not much to worry about here. Oakland is two cities - the hills have the money, the flats have the blacks. Select parts of the flats may burn, but downtown is too close to police headquarters on Broadway and the homies won't risk it. The hills will sit back and watch it all on KTVU while they eat their dinners and polish the Benz. Let the idiots torch their own neighborhoods if Mehserle walks. It won't amount to much ultimately. His attorney is going all-in - full murder conviction or the guy walks. I'm guessing he'll beat the rap. And I have a confession to make: I think the guy is innocent. Stupid, but not guilty of murder.


I don't think he's guilty of murder either, he got caught-up in the melee, that's NOT to say I think he's innocent, NOT at all, for me it'd be manslaughter with the maximum penalty $10k fine and 4 years (Full sentence) in prison, AND then I wouldn't give you odds that he makes it out alive. I suppose the family could go after a wrongful death civil suit too

[Liquid]

There's really not much to worry about here. Oakland is two cities - the hills have the money, the flats have the blacks. Select parts of the flats may burn, but downtown is too close to police headquarters on Broadway and the homies won't risk it. The hills will sit back and watch it all on KTVU while they eat their dinners and polish the Benz. Let the idiots torch their own neighborhoods if Mehserle walks. It won't amount to much ultimately. His attorney is going all-in - full murder conviction or the guy walks. I'm guessing he'll beat the rap. And I have a confession to make: I think the guy is innocent. Stupid, but not guilty of murder.


Don't forget the 'flat's' make up most of Oakland, crappy areas, with the exception of China town..you've got the ghetto to the east, west...don't get me started on west O-town. It's a murder pit. To the east, follow E.14 into San Leandro, hayward. All sh*t areas. To the north, you've got ghetto Berkeley (we all know how they love to riot)

It leads all up into Richmond. You've got a whole fuel line waiting to explode. Also, don't forget Vallejo, the forgotten step child of sh*t areas...

It's all ripe for stock. It just needs a match.

[johnlvs2run]

I highly doubt that the cop, Mehserle, will be charged (edit...convicted of) murder, since that would require proving malice aforthought. My question is, does this have the makings for a repeat of the LA riots? Or, will this just fizzle out and turn out to be nothing?

He deserves a murder conviction.

The people are justified to protest the outrage of the murder.

[General of Darkness]

The vast majority of looters in L.A. after Rodney King were mestizos, they saw the means to get a bunch of free stuff.

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

He deserves a murder conviction.

The people are justified to protest the outrage of the murder.


He deserves a manslaughter conviction, but if these riots occur they will be in the form of race riot, where the Black rioters target innocent White bystanders. If Latinos join in iit will be to loot, rather than to target Whites. All in all thugs are rarely justified in anything they do.

[joe_momma]

Here's the latest OPD bulletin

http://www2.oaklandnet.com/oakca/groups/police/documents/pressrelease/dowd009235.pdf

- My hunch is that they'll release the verdict at 5 pm this Friday.
- I fully expect those of us who work in downtown Oakland will be released no later than 2 pm.
- BART will probably close the Fruitvale station for the entire weekend.
- (IMHO) - Mesherle will walk - though he may get an involuntary manslaughter (which sets the stage for more riots during the sentencing)
- For widespread stupidity - I'm not sure - shutting down BART would prevent the vast majority of idiots from traveling to areas where a riot would be profitable

We'll see ...

Net net, I'll stay in the house for the weekend -

[Saul Mine]

I think the people were right to be suspicious of standing armies within the country. They just didn't realize that cops were becoming an army.

[SQUEXX]

At this point, I think there are LOTS of cities/areas that are racial powder kegs waiting to ignite. I say let them come, they will anyway. The sooner we get them over with the better. Let them burn Oakland to the ground, call out the National Guard and start putting them in FEMA prison camps. It's kind of like asking if we should let CA crash and burn. It's going to happen no matter what we wish or opinions are. Arm yourselves and be ready!

[Liquid]

We'll see ...

Net net, I'll stay in the house for the weekend -


Excellent post Joe, makes sense. Release the verdict on a friday, before a big holiday weekend. Most folks will want to relax, after a hardworking week...folks going out of town for holiday.

I think you are right in how this will initiate. We'll see..

Don't forget, a black man was shot by a white police officer in the back, unarmed. If Mehserle walks...look out.

I'll be staying in that night, for sure, but I'll be readying my guns to protect mine. Suggest you do the same.

I posted this in the music video thread, but thought it would be a good addition...to this thread as well.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1957988/sublime_april_26_1992_rodney_king_riots/

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

Blacks have a crime problem. Now and then the handling of them goes wrong, and then it is all about White racist cops, never about the constant state of Black criminality. The majority of Black males between the ages of 18 and 45 are somehow enmeshed in the criminal justice system, which is to say either on probation, locked up, or out on parole. It is taboo to address this situation in any but the most careful and inhibited terms. But when it comes to the White cops that have to deal with this state of constant Black ghetto eruption, there are no inhibitions. They are racist bastards! ::)

[Liquid]

Blacks have a crime problem. Now and then the handling of them goes wrong, and then it is all about White racist cops, never about the constant state of Black criminality.


That's a good point, Desolation, but it really comes down to justice...regardless or race. The young black man, was shot in the back, unarmed, and not resisting. It 'happened' to be a white cop.

Those are the facts. Oakland has a bitter history of white cops shooting black folks, most of it justified, but not all.

There isn't an easy answer to this.

[Saul Mine]

Let's get one thing straight: cops are equal opportunity jerks. They have always been quite willing to beat the snot out of anybody who couldn't defend himself (or herself) with no regard at all for skin color. The salient difference here is that blacks are more inclined to riot than any other color.

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

Blacks have a crime problem. Now and then the handling of them goes wrong, and then it is all about White racist cops, never about the constant state of Black criminality.


That's a good point, Desolation, but it really comes down to justice...regardless or race. The young black man, was shot in the back, unarmed, and not resisting. It 'happened' to be a white cop.

Those are the facts. Oakland has a bitter history of white cops shooting black folks, most of it justified, but not all.

There isn't an easy answer to this.


No, there aren't. I think the cop should be convicted of involuntary manslaughter. The kids were fighting and basically rioting on a public conveyance. Order had to be restored and somebody got killed because somebody else shouldn't have been a cop, but the cop didn't start the riot.

[Liquid]

No, there aren't. I think the cop should be convicted of involuntary manslaughter. The kids were fighting and basically rioting on a public conveyance. Order had to be restored and somebody got killed because somebody else shouldn't have been a cop, but the cop didn't start the riot.


So to restore order it's OK to shoot an unarmed man? There was nothing 'involuntary' about this. The cop pulled his gun, pointed at a kid's back, and pulled the trigger.

The cops didn't start the riot, but cops are held to a different standard than everyday folks.

Cops, have to take the verbal abuse from people..and remain calm. Cops are sworn to serve and protect. That means take a beating from the public...and do what they are 'sworn' to do. Not all cops can do that. I think this particular case exemplifies that point.

[willie pete]

Blacks have a crime problem. Now and then the handling of them goes wrong, and then it is all about White racist cops, never about the constant state of Black criminality.


That's a good point, Desolation, but it really comes down to justice...regardless or race. The young black man, was shot in the back, unarmed, and not resisting. It 'happened' to be a white cop.

Those are the facts. Oakland has a bitter history of white cops shooting black folks, most of it justified, but not all.

There isn't an easy answer to this.


No, there aren't. I think the cop should be convicted of involuntary manslaughter. The kids were fighting and basically rioting on a public conveyance. Order had to be restored and somebody got killed because somebody else shouldn't have been a cop, but the cop didn't start the riot.


I'll have to agree with triple R, who knows whats ever in someone's head?, but I don't think the cop, in this situation, had it in his head to shoot and kill the thug, from a legalistic POV; alledgedly, the thug was under arrest at that point in time, SO, once someone is placed under arrest, that ALWAYS give the cops more wiggle-room



"Cops, have to take the verbal abuse from people..and remain calm. Cops are sworn to serve and protect. That means take a beating from the public"

No they don't, sure there still is something called "free speech", but there's also something called "disorderly conduct", if you start swearing at a cop, there might be a strong possibilty of your being arrested, and of course, if you even touch the cop, then that could be felony assault on a LEO......just sayin'

[Liquid]

Willie, the cop has to be accountable for his actions. That's what I meant, by being held to a higher standard. We should all be accountable, for our actions...but our blame other's, law suit crazy, selfish society thinks otherwise.

Most folks, can easily find someone to blame for wrongdoings, or mistakes...

We can claim victimhood, to fit our sircumstances, if needed. Cops should not be allowed this privilige.

You can swear and insult a cop. All he can do, is look for ways to detain you, or cite you. However, if you are doing nothing wrong, you can insult a cop. He/she's got to take it. If you touch a cop that's battery, and will get you an arrest.

However, a cop, can take your rights away. Justly, or injustly. We need this checks and balances to keep the balances in place.

Mixed feelings, but each man must be accountable for his mistakes and actions, and cops, put those on the front line. imo.

[willie pete]

My attitude regarding cops is to avoid 'em at all costs, I don't mean fleeing though :D, I'm no expert, but I have to think, if you're cussing and swearing at a cop and it's not during the commision of a unlawful act, I suspect there will probably be a very high risk he'll arrest you for being "disorderly", that covers a Lot, cussing and swearing at a LEO, most of the time woujld probably get you arrested, and I agree completely, this POS has to pay, but I think murder would be hard to prove in court, under these circumstances, that's why I mentioned earlier, I wonder if the jury will be able to consider Involuntary Manslaughter, if not, then I think he may get off, a LOT of it depends on the AG too, and the specific charges that were brought up, even IF he gets convicted of IM, the most he can get is 4 years and a $10k fine, of course 4 years doesn't seem like enough, given the circumstances, and too, IF he is convicted and goes to prison, he'll be marked

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

No, there aren't. I think the cop should be convicted of involuntary manslaughter. The kids were fighting and basically rioting on a public conveyance. Order had to be restored and somebody got killed because somebody else shouldn't have been a cop, but the cop didn't start the riot.


So to restore order it's OK to shoot an unarmed man? There was nothing 'involuntary' about this. The cop pulled his gun, pointed at a kid's back, and pulled the trigger.

The cops didn't start the riot, but cops are held to a different standard than everyday folks.

Cops, have to take the verbal abuse from people..and remain calm. Cops are sworn to serve and protect. That means take a beating from the public...and do what they are 'sworn' to do. Not all cops can do that. I think this particular case exemplifies that point.


Of course what happened is not "right", but the rioter shares responsibility in what happened.

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

[quote=Desolation LineTrimmer ]
No, there aren't. I think the cop should be convicted of involuntary manslaughter. The kids were fighting and basically rioting on a public conveyance. Order had to be restored and somebody got killed because somebody else shouldn't have been a cop, but the cop didn't start the riot.


So to restore order it's OK to shoot an unarmed man? There was nothing 'involuntary' about this. The cop pulled his gun, pointed at a kid's back, and pulled the trigger.

The cops didn't start the riot, but cops are held to a different standard than everyday folks.

Cops, have to take the verbal abuse from people..and remain calm. Cops are sworn to serve and protect. That means take a beating from the public...and do what they are 'sworn' to do. Not all cops can do that. I think this particular case exemplifies that point.


Of course what happened is not "right", but the rioter shares responsibility. Act crazy and things can go south. In this case things went far south.

[DMac]

I expect more from some of the posters on this board lamenting about black criminality. As if there weren't a conspiracy to keep the black man down during most of the 1900's.

Yes I know it's now the 2000's and now the white man is getting the short end of the stick but that doesn't change the fact we have to deal with (in general) a black community that was actively conspired against to foster criminal behavior for a very long time.

You couldn't get more case in point of this phenomena than the ghettos of California.

[johnlvs2run]

Of course what happened is not "right", but the rioter shares responsibility in what happened.


What the F are you talking about.

"Two officers can be seen moving Grant, from a seated position against the wall, and then onto the floor. Officers placed Grant face first onto the floor, with one officer near his head, a second near his back, and a third officer standing nearby. There appeared to be a brief struggle."

The cop then drew his weapon, and murdered Oscar Grant while he was being held face down on the floor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKy-WSZMklc

[joe_momma]

Oaktown gonna' burn down.....


Well - I figure we'll have the verdict this Friday - here is an example of preparations companies in Oaktown are taking:

In anticipation of the approaching verdict in the trial of former BART police officer Johannes Mehserle, *** is working with the City of Oakland, monitoring the situation, and preparing for the possibility of protests in downtown Oakland. We will keep you informed if any measures should be taken to limit employees’ time in our downtown Oakland buildings.

[k-os]

If the police officer walks, I am not sure that the riots will be limited to Oakland, or California for that matter.

We've got the internet now.

I'm going to stay in, just in case.

[Hermie]

I expect more from some of the posters on this board lamenting about black criminality. As if there weren't a conspiracy to keep the black man down during most of the 1900's.
...




From this point in time I can see why the black man had to be "kept down".

Look at the statistics for black robbery, rape, assault etc. etc. since the black man
has been released from being "kept down".

Seems to me it is approaching time to review the past for the things that worked.