Matt Simmons interview "casing is gone, open hole in the gulf"

[Large Sarge]

first 7-8 minutes are intro/ appeal for funds, etc

http://www.trunews.com/Audio/6_28_10_monday_trunews2.mp3

[Large Sarge]

very very good interview here

this might be a faster download

http://www.sendspace.com/file/xpleiq

[Large Sarge]

ok here is a brief summary

the oil is all on the floor of the Gulf of Mexico

it is over 500 feet thick/deep

it is 120+ miles wide

it is staying down there because of the temperature inversion

the water at that depth is 30 degrees or so

the temperature of the water at the surface is 88 degrees

when the hurricanes come through, they stir the cold water to the surface

this will release tremendous amounts of poison gas (methane, butane, benzene, etc)

this is a very serious danger

[Large Sarge]

here is an article on cameroon


GAS EXPLOSION HAZARD. PROBLEMATIC.
Lake Kivu, between Rwanda and the Democratic Republic of Congo is unique in the world : its deep waters contain an enormous quantity of dissolved gas (3/4 carbon dioxide, ¼ methane).

When static, this highly stratified lake, is stable and benign. A powerful disturbance caused by the volcanic activity of Nyiragongo, situated on the north shore of the lake, could cause an upsurge of deep water charged with dissolved gas.

These waters would release, either through localised and limited emanations or through a cataclysmic explosion involving a large part of the lake, a large quantity of suffocating gas which would threaten the safety of neighbouring populations.

Remember that Lake Nyos, in Cameroon, was the site of a gas explosion in 1986 which caused the death by suffocation of 1800 people in an area of 30 km around the lake. Lake Kivu contains 1000 times more gas than Lake Nyos and there are millions of people living under threat.

We decided to conduct a multidisciplinary study of the physico-chemical properties of Lake Kivu with the aim of evaluating the risk of gas explosion in various scenarios involving the activity of Nyiragongo (eruption or sub-lacustrine magmatic intrusion, effusion of lava during a fissural eruption, as occurred in January 2002).

[Large Sarge]

Lake Nyos is a crater lake in the Northwest Region of Cameroon, located about 200 miles (322 km) northwest of Yaoundé.[1] Nyos is a deep lake high on the flank of an inactive volcano in the Oku volcanic plain along the Cameroon line of volcanic activity. A natural dam of volcanic rock hems in the lake waters.

A pocket of magma lies beneath the lake and leaks carbon dioxide (CO2) into the water, changing it into carbonic acid. Nyos is one of only three known lakes to be saturated with carbon dioxide in this way, the others being Lake Monoun, 100 km (62 mi) away SSE, and Lake Kivu in Rwanda. On August 21, 1986, possibly triggered by a landslide, Lake Nyos suddenly emitted a large cloud of CO2, which suffocated 1,700 people and 3,500 livestock in nearby villages.[2] Though not completely unprecedented, it was the first known large-scale asphyxiation caused by a natural event. To prevent a repetition, a degassing tube that syphons water from the bottom layers of water to the top allowing the carbon dioxide to leak in safe quantities was installed in 2001, though additional tubes are needed to make the lake safe.[3]

Today, the lake also poses a threat due to its weakening natural wall. A geological tremor could cause this natural dike to give way, allowing water to rush into downstream villages all the way into Nigeria and allowing much carbon dioxide to escape.

[gunDriller]

ok here is a brief summary

the oil is all on the floor of the Gulf of Mexico

it is over 500 feet thick/deep

it is 120+ miles wide

it is staying down there because of the temperature inversion

the water at that depth is 30 degrees or so

the temperature of the water at the surface is 88 degrees

when the hurricanes come through, they stir the cold water to the surface

this will release tremendous amounts of poison gas (methane, butane, benzene, etc)

this is a very serious danger


after a few hurricanes, it'll be like watching 2012.

[DMac]

very very good interview here

this might be a faster download

http://www.sendspace.com/file/xpleiq


Second link MUCH better for download. Listening now, thanks

[Large Sarge]

very good interview folks

covers the asphalt issue, the asphalt volcano, etc

fire is coming out of the hole

[Large Sarge]

he is saying if the hurricane goes brownsville or north, it will stir enough of gulf cold waters, to see a release of poison gases, and to see a lot more oil spill onto the coast

[Large Sarge]

the folks on the ship thomas jefferson

got exposed to 20 minutes of methane (wind shift/release)

they spents days in the hospital recovering from this

for a 20 minute, minor exposure.

now all the folks on that ship wear gas masks all the time

[DMac]

the folks on the ship thomas jefferson

got exposed to 20 minutes of methane (wind shift/release)

they spents days in the hospital recovering from this

for a 20 minute, minor exposure.

now all the folks on that ship wear gas masks all the time




this is the part of the interview I am up to - big threat is the methane gas being pushed onshore during a hurricane and this will asphyxiate many on land.

[DMac]

Cameroon was posted above as an example of what happens when the methane cloud moves from the water to a populated area - many people die from poisoned air/suffocation.

[Libertytree]

Thanks Sarge, that seemed like pretty good info.

The one thing he didn't address was the possibility of the Methane bubble under the sea floor bursting and suddenly erupting to the surface, with the result of the (a) poison tsunami and (b) the second sea floor collapse tsunami.

That will take out the east coast of Florida.

[uranian]

thanks for the summary, sarge. sounds all too realistic. seems like we're a few days from this becoming a reality, with the first hurricane forming now.

[Large Sarge]

he ducked the question on stock dumping by BP, and others prior to the accident, saying BP is the "worst of the worst" for safety.

and he said he did not know anything about the floor raising from gas

he also said he did not know anything about nukes, except the times in the past when the casing was gone, the only way they closed it was with a nuke (the russians)

I think he is telling the truth about the dangers, I think he dodged the "stock selling" issue

[beefsteak]

Information has been posted by a deep drilling chap by the name of Chris Landau.*

He states that there's a SOP wrt. "mud logs" recordation stored on thumb drives and uploaded to regulatory agencies a/w/a various world-wide geophysicists, regardless of company, every 6-12 hours

All it would have taken was for one of those mud logs to be late, or garbled, or whatever, to give GS and the CEO long enough to sell propitiously -- like they did-- and do so instantaneously. It's one of those "do now and pay the piper later" behaviors all too frequently observed.

Pretty sad!

Of course, Simmons ducked the "selling issue." He's pretty much at the top of the "elites" oil chain. It's called THE CROWN of London.


*Short Bio...Chris Landau
http://www.opednews.com/author/author47248.html


*Landau's reference to mud logs:
http://www.southernstudies.org/2010/05/air-tests-from-the-louisiana-coast-reveal-human-health-threats-from-the-oil-disaster.html

[keehah]

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Thanks Sarge, that seemed like pretty good info.

The one thing he didn't address was the possibility of the Methane bubble under the sea floor bursting and suddenly erupting to the surface, with the result of the (a) poison tsunami and (b) the second sea floor collapse tsunami.

That will take out the east coast of Florida.

He said no tsunami, if one were likely to happen it would have happened by now.
And the east coast of Florida is safe.

The only good news he had.

I think it is important to note he recommends anyone 10-20 miles near the GOF should get out or get a gas mask. During storms being the worst time for risk of toxic air.

[keehah]

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/06/secretary-of-energy-steven-chu-confirms.html

Oil industry expert Matt Simmons has said for many weeks that the well casing was destroyed by the initial explosion at the Deepwater Horizon rig. He said that when oil wells blow out, the casing often shoots up above ground.

He has been ridiculed by many because no one has seen well casing on the seafloor.

But the Department of Energy has just partly exonerated Simmons. As the Los Angeles Times notes today:

A team of scientists from the Energy Department discovered a new twist: Their sophisticated imaging equipment detected not one but two drill pipes, side by side, inside the wreckage of the well's blowout preventer on the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico.

BP officials said it was impossible. The Deepwater Horizon rig, which drilled the well, used a single pipe, connected in segments, to bore 13,000 feet below the ocean floor. But when workers cut into the wreckage to install a containment cap this month, sure enough, they found two pipes.

The discovery suggested that the force of the erupting petroleum from BP's well on April 20 was so violent that it sent pipe segments hurtling into the blowout preventer, like derailing freight cars.

It also offered a tantalizing theory for the failure of the well's last line of defense, the powerful pinchers called shear rams inside the blowout preventer that should have cut the pipe and stopped the rising oil and gas from reaching the Deepwater Horizon 5,000 feet above. Drilling experts say those rams, believed to be partially deployed, could have been thwarted by the presence of a second pipe.

[Large Sarge]

I listened to part of this again, I would say this is the most informative interview I have heard yet.

He said BP is not coming clean about all the holes in the ocean floor.

[madfranks]

he is saying if the hurricane goes brownsville or north, it will stir enough of gulf cold waters, to see a release of poison gases, and to see a lot more oil spill onto the coast




I just looked and fortunately the hurricane is dipping to the south a bit, so most likely it will hit south of the Texas border. But look at the size of the storm, it's practically covering the whole gulf.

[Libertytree]

"He said no tsunami, if one were likely to happen it would have happened by now. "

He says that based on what? From what others are saying it could happen at any moment, a sudden release of methane and other gases from under the sea floor.

I don't know where <b>he</b> lives but from where I'm sittin' I'm not quite so confident.

[Half Sense]

Can you buy medical oxygen tanks and masks without a Rx?

[beefsteak]

Yes, it is possible.

One can purchase empty oxy tanks like used in the medical field or in various welding applications even. Then one needs to purchase the regulator, and have the tank inspected for integrity before placing oxygen in it. None of that requires an RX.

The other route to go is to purchase an "oxygen generator" and mask for home use. Normally sold only on the presentment of an RX, they can be purchased from re-builders, and former users. There's a whole category of them available on eBay. Or google search for them.

Any family doctor worth their salt will tell you what NOT to crank it up to if you are going to use it in your home.

This RX requirement deal is a myth. Keep looking until you are satisfied. I know someone who bought a nearly new, recently serviced one with low hours on it from someone who needed it for a CPAP machine. That seller then had gastric bypass and lost a ton of weight and no longer needed it. So, I would guess the deals are still out there.

Don't forget Craig's list either.

beef

[Large Sarge]

yes you can get an oxygen concentrator, I guess you would need a 5 liter per minute model

shop around on this, prices vary a lot.

also you maybe able to find a refurbished one for cheap cheap, perhaps a $100.00

most concentrators are designed to run continuously for at least a year (usually longer, 2-3 years)


you could actually put in the canula, and sleep with it on (breathing pure oxygen)

that way if you get a big release at night, you do not sleep through it (and die)

what Matt Simmons forgot to mention, is you need some sort of an alarm system, to tell you to put on your mask (especially at night)

[beefsteak]

Good info from Large Sarge (as usual... ;D )

Also wanted to bring to the fore the "portability of" portable oxygen canisters in emergency situations.

Googling produces this 1st page of hits:

http://www.google.com/search?q=portable+oxy+cans&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

With a little creativity re: how to cover your mouth/nose (swimming nose clip?) one should be able to scoot to safety or their backup supply if they kept some of these things in a gym bag for example.

beef

[beefsteak]

Sarge,

are you aware of any "sniffers" for methane or benzene or hydrochoride gases? I'm sure not. I'd like to recommend them to gulf friends and family if I could get an assist on that research answer.

What do you say? Usually for this kind of stuff, I turn to my local commercial safety biz contacts, but being so far inland, they aren't up to snuff and just look at me like I"m weird to even be asking them.

beef

[DMac]

Sarge,

are you aware of any "sniffers" for methane or benzene or hydrochoride gases? I'm sure not. I'd like to recommend them to gulf friends and family if I could get an assist on that research answer.

What do you say? Usually for this kind of stuff, I turn to my local commercial safety biz contacts, but being so far inland, they aren't up to snuff and just look at me like I"m weird to even be asking them.

beef


I just did a quick search for Methane detector and found several devices, around $40. Here is one such link
http://www.amazon.com/Combustible-Detector-Natural-Methane-Propane/dp/B0017Z5DZO

[Large Sarge]

Sarge,

are you aware of any "sniffers" for methane or benzene or hydrochoride gases? I'm sure not. I'd like to recommend them to gulf friends and family if I could get an assist on that research answer.

What do you say? Usually for this kind of stuff, I turn to my local commercial safety biz contacts, but being so far inland, they aren't up to snuff and just look at me like I"m weird to even be asking them.

beef


I am sure they make some, I need to research it a bit.

Basically this can only be considered a "temporary solution" for anyone in the region.

you do not want to be living like this

a respirator by your bedside, and a spare in your vehicle.

[DMac]

Here's another device, a little pricey @ $200, but it detects everything:

http://www.toolsource.com/combustible-leak-detector-cd100a-p-93741.html?sourceid=googleps

Partial list of gasses sensed: Acetone, Alcohol, Ammonia, Benzene, Butane, Ethylene Oxide, Gasoline, Halon, Hydrogen Sulfide, Industrial Solvents, Jet Fuel, Lacquer Thinners, Methane, Naphtha, Natural Gas, Propane, Refrigerants, Toluene … and more.

[keehah]

Methane is not the issue for breathing and potential immediate personal health on shore, it is benzene, H2S and the other toxic contaminants.

A gas mask is what Simmons recommended. Also for some reason we have gone all oxygen respirator here which is not a gas mask.

[beefsteak]

Before anyone takes your pooh-pooh on methane to heart, may I respectfully suggest you state what ppm range you are speaking to?

The NIOSH guidelines totally dispute your declaration as to methane.


"scientist beef"

[platinumdude]

Do you think there is a chance these gases won't make it to shore?

[Large Sarge]

I will just lay it out there

when you look at the stats on the folks involved in the exxon clean up, most died in 10 years.

and you understand the nature of this event, and the lack of effort in managing, etc

I think a plan to get out of dodge is a good idea, even if there were no hurricanes.

as a number of articles have stated "if you can smell oil, you are inhaling benzene, etc"

so to all our gulf coast friends

"if you can smell oil..... you are inhaling benzene"

my Guess is that you will still be smelling oil next spring also

[beefsteak]

Amen, Sarge.

As a miner, the MSHA mandated canister on my belt is only to provide me 30 minutes to evacuate to a safer chamber or get out
of harm's way.

I'm very surprised at people who are waiting for someone else to start the "100 yard dash" to safety. That standing around makes me very very concerned for life in the GoM regions.

beef

[beefsteak]

Here's another device, a little pricey @ $200, but it detects everything:

http://www.toolsource.com/combustible-leak-detector-cd100a-p-93741.html?sourceid=googleps

Partial list of gasses sensed: Acetone, Alcohol, Ammonia, Benzene, Butane, Ethylene Oxide, Gasoline, Halon, Hydrogen Sulfide, Industrial Solvents, Jet Fuel, Lacquer Thinners, Methane, Naphtha, Natural Gas, Propane, Refrigerants, Toluene … and more.


THANKS, DMac.

I've already altered many a battery powered device to either accept solar or a/c "brick" shore power. Looks like this will be another one.

Appreciate so very much your posting this solid info. This goes to the top of my "get'em now" list.

beef

[Large Sarge]

What I would advise locals to do is to contact their local govt, they could buy a number of those units, place them around different areas.

and possibly hook them upto the internet.

when you explain to the city mayor, and the board that their lives are at risk also, I am sure they will find the funds for that project.

[keehah]

Before anyone takes your pooh-pooh on methane to heart, may I respectfully suggest you state what ppm range you are speaking to?

The NIOSH guidelines totally dispute your declaration as to methane.


"scientist beef"

Well as a chemist who also chaired the OHS program for a lab of over a hundred people on the UBC campus and after that years at another lab that weekly used truckloads of liquid hydrogen I say 'blogger's beans'. ;D

The NIOSH guidelines do not address the toxicity of methane, nor critical health levels, but they address the fact that if you are in a workplace that exposes you to concentrations of over 1000ppm methane for your entire work shift, air quality at ones place of work needs improvement. It makes sense to keep workplace air quality at a level well below that at which a simple electrical device or cigarette could cause a huge fireball destroying your place or work and the people in and around it.


The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has no permissible exposure limit for methane, but the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health's (NIOSH) maximum recommended safe methane concentration for workers during an 8-hour period is 1,000 ppm (0.1 percent). Methane is considered an asphyxiate at extremely high concentrations and can displace oxygen in the blood (Table 1).

Table 1. Methane exposure levels and effects
Exposure level (ppm) Effect or symptom
1000 NIOSH 8-hours TLV*
50,000 to 150,000 Potentially explosive
500,000 Asphyxiation


As to the question, I would not want to be in 0-50,000ppm and 15,000ppm and over 500,000 ppm (50%).

5-15% can be explosive and over 50% and the gas is displacing too much oxygen causing oxygen depravation issues. Other OHS sites say above 30% is a limit for asphyxiation.

If I were on a boat near the cauldron or methane pools I would be concerned about potential for explosive levels and loss of buoyancy if a big bubble comes up.

Unfortunately asphyxiation comes much sooner for life in the Gulf.

UGA SCIENTIST: TOO LITTLE RESEARCH ON GASES AT OIL DISASTER SITE IN GULF (http://www.sundaypaper.com/Blogs/TheRamageReport/tabid/235/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/5479/Default.aspx)

[beefsteak]

That's the problem with internet, keehah, anyone can sound like an expert, especially when spouting "experience."

Where you screwed up ist was pooh-poohing methane levels, second was NIOSH, and third, not addressing limnic potentiality in GoM.

Everything else from you is buffalo bagels after #1.

[madfranks]

I live on the gulf, my current home is about a mile from the bayfront. After this talk of the off-gassing started coming out, my instincts told me this is not going to be good. My wife and I made the decision to bail a couple weeks ago. Not temporary either, this will be a permanent move away from the gulf coast. This was a hard decision, but we made it. We're both looking for work in Colorado, which is where we'll be moving to. We're already packing boxes, we secured a u-haul and I give my current boss my two weeks tomorrow.

[k-os]

I live on the gulf, my current home is about a mile from the bayfront. After this talk of the off-gassing started coming out, my instincts told me this is not going to be good. My wife and I made the decision to bail a couple weeks ago. Not temporary either, this will be a permanent move away from the gulf coast. This was a hard decision, but we made it. We're both looking for work in Colorado, which is where we'll be moving to. We're already packing boxes, we secured a u-haul and I give my current boss my two weeks tomorrow.


I wish you the best of luck, madfranks. I think it's a good decision. A bunch of Florida GSUSers are feeling the same things. I am nearly positive that I am headed out of South Florida myself in just over a month, but I am still clinging to hope that I will come back here to my home.

[Quantum]

Sarge,

are you aware of any "sniffers" for methane or benzene or hydrochoride gases? I'm sure not. I'd like to recommend them to gulf friends and family if I could get an assist on that research answer.

What do you say? Usually for this kind of stuff, I turn to my local commercial safety biz contacts, but being so far inland, they aren't up to snuff and just look at me like I"m weird to even be asking them.

beef


I just did a quick search for Methane detector and found several devices, around $40. Here is one such link
http://www.amazon.com/Combustible-Detector-Natural-Methane-Propane/dp/B0017Z5DZO




I am not making a joke: DO NOT FART AROUND IT, or you will get a false alarm.

Most false alarms with explosive gas detectors are due to methane from the byootocks.

[beefsteak]

Godspeed, madfranks!

Life is too short, and it is none more so than for those still living.

This is one of those "non-attributed graphics" one finds on the internet. I have no clue who drew the lines or why...just that it supposedly took into account prevailing winds.

When I find more attirbution, I'll post. Others feel free to get the attribution up before I do. It came from one of those alarmist blogs as best I understand the poster from whom I swiped this map.

http://www.morningliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/EVACUATION_MAP.jpg

beef

[Quantum]

Here's another device, a little pricey @ $200, but it detects everything:

http://www.toolsource.com/combustible-leak-detector-cd100a-p-93741.html?sourceid=googleps

Partial list of gasses sensed: Acetone, Alcohol, Ammonia, Benzene, Butane, Ethylene Oxide, Gasoline, Halon, Hydrogen Sulfide, Industrial Solvents, Jet Fuel, Lacquer Thinners, Methane, Naphtha, Natural Gas, Propane, Refrigerants, Toluene … and more.


UEI looks like a good company, so probably a good product.

If money is no object, however, get something from MSA (Mine Safety Appliance):

http://www.msanorthamerica.com/catalog/catalog505.html

[zap]

I wish you and your wife the best of luck, I bet it was nice living on the gulf coast, But I'm sure things will deteriorate even more and you'll be better off far away from it.

Good luck to your family!

[DMac]

I live on the gulf, my current home is about a mile from the bayfront. After this talk of the off-gassing started coming out, my instincts told me this is not going to be good. My wife and I made the decision to bail a couple weeks ago. Not temporary either, this will be a permanent move away from the gulf coast. This was a hard decision, but we made it. We're both looking for work in Colorado, which is where we'll be moving to. We're already packing boxes, we secured a u-haul and I give my current boss my two weeks tomorrow.


It takes a steely resolve to be ahead of the herd. Best of luck Madfranks.

[keehah]

That's the problem with internet, keehah, anyone can sound like an expert, especially when spouting "experience."

Where you screwed up ist was pooh-poohing methane levels, second was NIOSH, and third, not addressing limnic potentiality in GoM.

Everything else from you is buffalo bagels after #1.

Before you edited your post I was responding to you ending your attack on me with :"scientist beef"
I took this as you using it to sound like an expert spouting experience as you dismissed me. I was just trying to meet you on your terms.

Heck I even left out my Water Pollution Diploma (2 year) before University or the occupational health and safety classes more recently at BCIT.

I addressed limnic potentiality in GoM in that post how could you miss it?!? Do you know what it means?

As for the first two, please explain or correct what was wrong or missing from my analysis. A fair courtesy if you are taking the time to call what I post bull sh*t.

I've worked with the Canadian, not American regulations, but generally Canada follows (adopts) the American occupational safety governmental standards and safety protocols.

And perhaps I need to add if my neighbourhood had near 1000ppm methane for more than a few days I would get the hell out if I could.

http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/chemicals/chem_profiles/methane/health_met.html

What are the main health hazards associated with breathing in methane?

Methane is not toxic below the lower explosive limit of 5% (50000 ppm). However, when methane is present at high concentrations, it acts as an asphyxiant. Asphyxiants displace oxygen in the air and can cause symptoms of oxygen deprivation (asphyxiation). The available oxygen should be a minimum of 18% or harmful effects will result. Methane displaces oxygen to 18% in air when present at 14% (140000 ppm). It is not expected to cause unconsciousness (narcosis) due to central nervous system depression until it reaches much higher concentrations (30% or 300000 ppm) - well above the lower explosive limit and asphyxiating concentrations.


This is one of those "non-attributed graphics" one finds on the internet. I have no clue who drew the lines or why...

???
I'm not perfect, but I don't post non-attributed stuff I know nothing about.

[Libertytree]

Good luck Madfranks, I hope your new home suits yaw'll well.

I hate leaving with all my heart, hell, I came here to die but that's not to be, at least not with the poisoning and slow death that's in our future here.

[Large Sarge]

Good Luck Mad Franks

[keehah]

The part of Simmon's interview I have the most trouble understanding is when he talks about the riser leak shown (in all the videos) not being near the leaking wellbore.

I'm not sure if this was a poor choice of words, in that the main leak he is now calling the 'wellbore' is a leak through the top layer of sediments that is a few miles away from the existing wellbore and riser we have seen video. That is he is calling this new leak spot the wellbore.

Or if one takes what he said more literally, it would seem that the existing wellbore and riser were blown out and we are not seeing video of the riser and well that blew out (as they were destroyed).

Now I tend to believe the former as where would this second 'fake' BOP and riser come from close enough in the leak area to fool everyone?

Hmmm.....

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/16/60minutes/main6490197.shtml

The tension in every drilling operation is between doing things safely and doing them fast; time is money and this job was costing BP a million dollars a day. But Williams says there was trouble from the start - getting to the oil was taking too long.

Williams said they were told it would take 21 days; according to him, it actually took six weeks.

With the schedule slipping, Williams says a BP manager ordered a faster pace.

"And he requested to the driller, 'Hey, let's bump it up. Let's bump it up.' And what he was talking about there is he's bumping up the rate of penetration. How fast the drill bit is going down," Williams said.

Williams says going faster caused the bottom of the well to split open, swallowing tools and that drilling fluid called "mud."

"We actually got stuck. And we got stuck so bad we had to send tools down into the drill pipe and sever the pipe," Williams explained.

That well was abandoned and Deepwater Horizon had to drill a new route to the oil. It cost BP more than two weeks and millions of dollars.

"We were informed of this during one of the safety meetings, that somewhere in the neighborhood of $25 million was lost in bottom hole assembly and 'mud.' And you always kind of knew that in the back of your mind when they start throwing these big numbers around that there was gonna be a push coming, you know? A push to pick up production and pick up the pace," Williams said.

Asked if there was pressure on the crew after this happened, Williams told Pelley, "There's always pressure, but yes, the pressure was increased."

[Large Sarge]

The part of Simmon's interview I have the most trouble understanding is when he talks about the riser leak shown (in all the videos) not being near the leaking wellbore.

I'm not sure if this was a poor choice of words, in that the main leak he is now calling the 'wellbore' is a leak through the top layer of sediments that is a few miles away from the existing wellbore and riser we have seen video. That is he is calling this new leak spot the wellbore.

Or if one takes what he said more literally, it would seem that the existing wellbore and riser were blown out and we are not seeing video of the riser and well that blew out (as they were destroyed).

Now I tend to believe the former as where would this second 'fake' BOP and riser come from close enough in the leak area to fool everyone?

Hmmm.....

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/16/60minutes/main6490197.shtml

The tension in every drilling operation is between doing things safely and doing them fast; time is money and this job was costing BP a million dollars a day. But Williams says there was trouble from the start - getting to the oil was taking too long.

Williams said they were told it would take 21 days; according to him, it actually took six weeks.

With the schedule slipping, Williams says a BP manager ordered a faster pace.

"And he requested to the driller, 'Hey, let's bump it up. Let's bump it up.' And what he was talking about there is he's bumping up the rate of penetration. How fast the drill bit is going down," Williams said.

Williams says going faster caused the bottom of the well to split open, swallowing tools and that drilling fluid called "mud."

"We actually got stuck. And we got stuck so bad we had to send tools down into the drill pipe and sever the pipe," Williams explained.

That well was abandoned and Deepwater Horizon had to drill a new route to the oil. It cost BP more than two weeks and millions of dollars.

"We were informed of this during one of the safety meetings, that somewhere in the neighborhood of $25 million was lost in bottom hole assembly and 'mud.' And you always kind of knew that in the back of your mind when they start throwing these big numbers around that there was gonna be a push coming, you know? A push to pick up production and pick up the pace," Williams said.

Asked if there was pressure on the crew after this happened, Williams told Pelley, "There's always pressure, but yes, the pressure was increased."





I know I have tried to figure that part out also

like he is saying the Riser and the leak are a mile apart?

or the leak itself is a mile long (on the seafloor)

I have listened to that section 3 times, I need to listen again

part of the problem is that Simmons has been in the biz so long, he throws around a lot of technical terms, and you have to translate what he is saying

[PatColo]

Good luck to you Madfranks, bold & decisive move. Probably a good one, leaving a job in this econ with nothing else lined up is very perilous- but in the end all we have is our health- and I'm afraid gulf resident's life expectancies are going to resemble the Exxon Valdez cleanup workers soon. Hope I'm wrong, but it's the kind of diabolical "depopulation" act (as usual made to look like an "accident/Act-Of-God") I can't put past TPTB. I'm doing 'God's work'. Meet Mr Goldman Sachs (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6907681.ece)

Separately, I went from Peak Oil True Believer several years ago, to Peak Oil agnostic since. But through it, Matt Simmons is revered as an industry guru, by both Peak Oilers like Mike Ruppert, Heinberg & others, and also by Peak Oil "debunkers" like AJ & Lindsey Williams. Thing is, Matt Simmons is a Peak Oiler! So why do the PO debunkers keep citing Simmons, if they think he's full of sheet on PO?

Twilight in the Desert (http://www.amazon.com/Twilight-Desert-Coming-Saudi-Economy/dp/0471790184/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books) - Matt Simmons

[keehah]

This document won't open for me but it should show the location of the two wells.
Perhaps it will work for another server?

http://www.gomr.mms.gov/PI/PDFImages/PLANS/29/29977.pdf
________________

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_edvxM1dkFlo/TCpw886B7EI/AAAAAAAAAi4/lX8FtCNSGqw/s1600/SkyTruth_dhrig_spill-rsat-27jun10-interp.jpg

[Large Sarge]

Separately, I went from Peak Oil True Believer several years ago, to Peak Oil agnostic since. But through it, Matt Simmons is revered as an industry guru, by both Peak Oilers like Mike Ruppert, Heinberg & others, and also by Peak Oil "debunkers" like AJ & Lindsey Williams. Thing is, Matt Simmons is a Peak Oiler! So why do the PO debunkers keep citing Simmons, if they think he's full of sheet on PO?

Twilight in the Desert (http://www.amazon.com/Twilight-Desert-Coming-Saudi-Economy/dp/0471790184/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books) - Matt Simmons


Well I find Simmons the only honest source on this disaster

I do not agree with his peak oil stuff, but his understanding on the oil industry (mechanics, operations, etc) is very valuable, he worked it for decades

compared to lindsey williams, a preacher, with a good contact.

Anyway Simmons said from the beginning "100,000+ barrels per day"
"the gulf of mexico is dead"
"BP is bankrupt"
"only way to stop this thing is a nuke"
etc

all the things he said were correct, it was just not politically correct to say them

you still have to do your own thinking, I just think he brings an understanding of the oil industry, most "experts" lack


like his comments "I give the relief wells between 0 and 5% chance of working"

or

"I would either own a gas mask or evacuate if I lived near the gulf of mexico"

these are not "politically correct" at all, but from what I have seen, they are honest

[keehah]

Still on the Simmons 'main leak is 6-8 miles away' I'm left wondering about the fires seen in this video (at 5:40) that could be 6-8 miles away from the recovery flaring and new wells (ground zero).

Is this the main 'other' leak Simmons talks of? Anyone recall what the official explanation is for these other fires?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxDf-KkMCKQ

I finially got the BP drilling plan pdf to open I linked above.

Trying to make sense of oil industries GPS equivalent I take that the first well is 100 feet closer to 'the north line' and 300 feet closer to 'the east line' than the second well.

Section 7, of this 2009 document is interesting.

7.1 Oil Spill Response Planning
The proposed activities are in the Central Planning Area of the GOM. Therefore a site-specific Oil Spill Response Pland (OSRP) is not required for this plan...

7.1 Worst Case Scenario Determination -

Volume Uncontrolled Blowout (per day) 162,000 [no units given]

I hearby certify that BP Exploration & Production Inc has the capability to respond, to the maximum extent practicable, to a worst-case discharge or a substantial threat of such a discharge, resulting from the activities proposed in our Exploration Plan.

7.1.5 Oil Spill response discussion - a discussion of response to an oil spill resulting from the activities proposed in this plan is not required for this Exploration Plan.

[osoab]

Separately, I went from Peak Oil True Believer several years ago, to Peak Oil agnostic since. But through it, Matt Simmons is revered as an industry guru, by both Peak Oilers like Mike Ruppert, Heinberg & others, and also by Peak Oil "debunkers" like AJ & Lindsey Williams. Thing is, Matt Simmons is a Peak Oiler! So why do the PO debunkers keep citing Simmons, if they think he's full of sheet on PO?

Twilight in the Desert (http://www.amazon.com/Twilight-Desert-Coming-Saudi-Economy/dp/0471790184/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books) - Matt Simmons


Well I find Simmons the only honest source on this disaster

I do not agree with his peak oil stuff, but his understanding on the oil industry (mechanics, operations, etc) is very valuable, he worked it for decades

compared to lindsey williams, a preacher, with a good contact.

Anyway Simmons said from the beginning "100,000+ barrels per day"
"the gulf of mexico is dead"
"BP is bankrupt"
"only way to stop this thing is a nuke"
etc

all the things he said were correct, it was just not politically correct to say them

you still have to do your own thinking, I just think he brings an understanding of the oil industry, most "experts" lack


like his comments "I give the relief wells between 0 and 5% chance of working"

or

"I would either own a gas mask or evacuate if I lived near the gulf of mexico"

these are not "politically correct" at all, but from what I have seen, they are honest




I would love to listen more to Simmons but I have issues with the guy.

He is CFR.

After preaching the end of BP is nigh for weeks, his company comes out in mid June and gives price forecast of $42 a share. BP was trading around $30.

So what is the guy's angle?

[keehah]

Mid June it was announced he would leave the company he founded because of his BP comments.

Posted here (http://gold-silver.us/forum/conspiracy-theories/the-2010-blockbuster-british-pterodactyl-vs-godzilla!/msg70768/#msg70768)

[osoab]

Mid June it was announced he would leave the company he founded because of his BP comments.

Posted here (http://gold-silver.us/forum/conspiracy-theories/the-2010-blockbuster-british-pterodactyl-vs-godzilla!/msg70768/#msg70768)


http://blogs.barrons.com/stockstowatchtoday/2010/06/15/bp-another-view-from-simmons-co/


June 15, 2010, 4:11 PM ET.BP: Another View From Simmons & Co.


By Tiernan Ray
As I mentioned in an interview earlier with Matt Simmons, a fierce skeptic of BP (BP), the firm he founded several years back is actually bullish on BP. Simmons & Co. International raised its rating on BP on Friday to “Overweight” from “Neutral,” with a $52 price target.



Using the article timeline, it looks like his company upgraded on June 11.

Talking his book?

His "departure" would give the idea of impartiality now.

[beefsteak]

osoab
I would love to listen more to Simmons but I have issues with the guy.

He is CFR.


So what is the guy's angle?




He's part of THE CROWN of London. He's way further up the ladder than CFR. I'm GLAD you have issues with him. It means your gut is working! 8)

[osoab]

osoab
I would love to listen more to Simmons but I have issues with the guy.

He is CFR.


So what is the guy's angle?




He's part of THE CROWN of London. He's way further up the ladder than CFR. I'm GLAD you have issues with him. It means your gut is working! 8)


Care to point me to some CROWN research. It's the first time I have heard the term used ominously.

[beefsteak]

I'll try, osoab.

THE CROWN, is separate from QEII's crown. Most confuse the two, as ambiguity has no doubt served the illuminati well over the centuries. THE CROWN is 1 specific square mile (okay, 677 acres; 640 is normally considered 1 square mile) of London which is NOT a part of London, just as Washington DC is 6.8 (formerly 10) sq miles of the US but not a part of the US.

Would suggest you locate the proper corporate business address of Simmons' company, to learn more precisely where THE CROWN is geographically located.

THE CROWN is the heart and soul of the Illuminati. It has its geographic ecclesiastical and economic roots in the medieval world of Knights Templar, the split with the Pope and all the monarchy trappings of Europe.

One of the best rather long winded explanations is as follows: and no I'm not the originator of it. I've just seen this in various formats over the years.


Definitions - The Crown, Great Britian, The City, etc
http://www.freedomdomain.com/banking/the_city.html

When people think of England such terms as:

Great Britain
'The Queen
The Crown
Crown Colonies
London
The City of London
British Empire

...come to mind and blend together into an indistinguishable blur. They are generally looked upon as synonymous, as being representative of the same basic system. During the 1950s and 1960s the author lived in England (London for five years) without even beginning to realize the vast difference that exists in the meaning of some of the above terms.

When people hear of 'The Crown' they automatically think of the King or Queen; when they hear of 'London' or the 'The City' they instantly think of the capital of England in which the monarch has his or her official residence.

To fully understand the unique and generally unknown subject we must define our terms: When we speak of 'The City' we are in fact referring to a privately owned Corporation - or Sovereign State - occupying an irregular rectangle of 677 acres and located right in the heart of the 610 square mile 'Greater London' area. The population of 'The City' is listed at just over four thousand, whereas the population of 'Greater London' (32 boroughs) is approximately seven and a half million.

The 'Crown' is a committee of twelve to fourteen men who rule the independent sovereign state known as London or 'The City.' 'The City' is not part of England. It is not subject to the Sovereign. It is not under the rule of the British parliament. Like the Vatican in Rome, it is a separate, independent state. It is the Vatican of the commercial world.

The City, which is often called "the wealthiest square mile on earth," is ruled over by a Lord Mayor. Here are grouped together Britian's great financial and commercial institutions: Wealthy banks, dominated by the privately-owned (Rothschild controlled) Bank of England, Lloyd's of London, the London Stock Exchange, and the offices of most of the leading international trading concerns. Here, also, is located Fleet Street, the heart and core of the newspaper and publishing worlds.


TWO MONARCHS

The Lord Mayor, who is elected for a one year stint, is the monarch in the City. As Aubrey Menen says in "London", Time-Life, 1976, p. 16: "The relation of this monarch of the City to the monarch of the realm [Queen] is curious and tells much." It certainly is and certainly does !

When the Queen of England goes to visit the City she is met by the Lord Mayor at Temple Bar, the symbolic gate of the City. She bows and asks for permission to enter his private, sovereign State. During such State visits "the Lord Mayor in his robes and chain, and his entourage in medieval costume, outshines the royal party, which can dress up no furhter than service uniforms." The Lord Mayor leads the queen into his city. "

The City Of London Official Homepage
http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/LGNL_Services/Council_and_democracy/



-------------------------------
Here's another which goes into more medieval detail after Royalty lost the the right to CROWN ownership:



The Templars of the Crown

The governmental and judicial systems within the United States of America, at both federal and local state levels, is owned by the "Crown," which is a private foreign power. Before jumping to conclusions about the Queen of England or the Royal Families of Britain owning the U.S.A., this is a different "CROWN" and is fully exposed and explained below.

We are specifically referencing the established Templar Church, known for centuries by the world as "THE CROWN." From this point on, we will also refer to the Crown as the Crown Temple or as Crown Templar, all three being synonymous.


First, a little historical background.
The Temple Church was built by the Knights Templar in two parts: the Round and the Chancel.

The Round Church was consecrated in 1185 and modeled after the circular Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem.

The Chancel was built in 1240.

The Temple Church serves both the Inner and Middle Temples (see below) and is located between Fleet Street and Victoria Embankment at the Thames River.

Its grounds also house the Crown Offices at Crown Office Row. This Temple "Church" is outside any Canonical jurisdiction.

The Master of the Temple is appointed and takes his place by sealed (non-public) patent, without induction or institution.

All licensed Bar Attorneys - Attorners (see definitions below) in the U.S. owe their allegiance and give their solemn oath in pledge to the Crown Temple, realizing this or not. This is simply due to the fact that all Bar Associations throughout the world are signatories and franchises to the international Bar Association located at the Inns of Court at Crown Temple, which are physically located at Chancery Lane behind Fleet Street in London.

Although they vehemently deny it, all Bar Associations in the U.S., such as the American Bar Association, the Florida Bar, or California Bar Association, are franchises to the Crown.

The Inns of Court (see below, The Four Inns of Court) to the Crown Temple use the Banking and Judicial system of the City of London - [[a sovereign and independent territory which is not a part of Great Britain (just as Washington City, as DC was called in the 1800's, is not a part of the north American states, nor is it a state) ]]to defraud, coerce, and manipulate the American people. These Fleet Street bankers and lawyers are committing crimes in America under the guise and color of law (see definitions for legal and lawful below). They are known collectively as the "Crown." Their lawyers are actually Templar Bar Attornies, not lawyers.

The present Queen of England is not the "Crown," as we have all been led to believe.

Rather, it is the Bankers and Attornies (Attorneys) who are the actual Crown or Crown Temple.

The Monarch aristocrats of England have not been ruling sovereigns since the reign of King John, circa 1215. All royal sovereignty of the old British Crown since that time has passed to the Crown Temple in Chancery.

The U.S.A. is not the free and sovereign nation that our federal government tells us it is. If this were true, we would not be dictated to by the Crown Temple through its bankers and attornies. The U.S.A. is controlled and manipulated by this private foreign power and our unlawful Federal U.S. Government is their pawn broker. The bankers and Bar Attorneys in the U.S.A. are a franchise in oath and allegiance to the Crown at Chancery the Crown Temple Church and its Chancel located at Chancery Lane a manipulative body of elite bankers and attorners from the independent City of London who violate the law in America by imposing fraudulent "legal" but totally unlawful contracts on the American people. The banks Rule the Temple Church and the Attorners carry out their Orders by controlling their victim's judiciary."


The second, most immediately above quoted portion appears to me to be an abbreviated synopsis of a much longer, research essay type document on a website http://www.israelect.com/ChildrenOfYahweh/Other%2520Reading/crown_temple.htm This group seems to be based in America and looks to me to have "fundamentalist roots." Whatever. I don't belong to them, but there is enough historical signposts to cross check, which I have with time I've had available.

It appears to have more than a kernel of historical validity regarding this CROWN TEMPLE of CHANCERY.

beef

[gunDriller]

It makes sense to keep workplace air quality at a level well below that at which a simple electrical device or cigarette could cause a huge fireball destroying your place or work and the people in and around it.

very true.

unless you're making a Michael Bay movie.

[beefsteak]

Back onto topic re: hole and air quality and evacuation sharing by threaders:

One of my air quality professional associates, offered this link for monitoring EPA who claims they are posting true stuff on the air quality. Who the hell knows if EPA is telling the truth at any given moment the wind is blowing. It goes without saying, any "land based" monitoring is a far cry from "sea based" air quality monitoring and / or reporting.

Just hope it helps. CAVEAT: took me a while to get my footing on the various datasets and graphics provided on this url.


EPA / BP SPILL Air monitoring
http://www.epa.gov/bpspill/air.html


beef

[beefsteak]

Same professional associate wrote this to me:




Heard from a colleague in the know (PhD in Chemistry). I asked if she knew what the chemical composition of the material spewing from the well was and if she didn’t know, who does? She stated that the Coast Guard knows; the EPA, the CDC and the APHL (Association of Public Health Laboratories) ‘have no idea.’

She attended a meeting about this very subject yesterday; the Coast Guard is being very tight-lipped about it and not releasing any info. She and her team will do more digging.

I mentioned that we knew that hydrogen sulfide (H2S), benzene (C6H6), and dichloromethane (CH2CL2) were in the mix and she verified that; it’s what else is in there that we don’t know.

She also verified our claim that the dispersant, Corexit 9500, is causing even more damage due to its toxicity; it’s hurting the situation rather than helping.

[PatColo]

Same professional associate wrote this to me:



Heard from a colleague in the know (PhD in Chemistry). I asked if she knew what the chemical composition of the material spewing from the well was and if she didn’t know, who does? She stated that the Coast Guard knows; the EPA, the CDC and the APHL (Association of Public Health Laboratories) ‘have no idea.’

She attended a meeting about this very subject yesterday; the Coast Guard is being very tight-lipped about it and not releasing any info. She and her team will do more digging.

I mentioned that we knew that hydrogen sulfide (H2S), benzene (C6H6), and dichloromethane (CH2CL2) were in the mix and she verified that; it’s what else is in there that we don’t know.

She also verified our claim that the dispersant, Corexit 9500, is causing even more damage due to its toxicity; it’s hurting the situation rather than helping.



Senate Witness: BP using dispersants so oil hits “beaches for 10 or 15 years”; To benefit from long-term amortization of costs (VIDEO) (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/senate-witness-bp-using-dispersants-so-oil-hits-beaches-for-10-or-15-years-benefit-from-long-term-amortization-of-costs-video)

[uranian]

antiterrorist on the situation...nothing new, but well presented:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt5IOYLoYx4

[beefsteak]

Same associate, 3rd verse:



OK, I have more data for you. Since we don’t know ALL the components of what’s gushing, we DO know that what’s spewing is classified as ‘light crude oil.’

Harmful byproducts of burning the light crude would include:
A) fine particles (particulate matter);
B) toxic gases such as:
----- sulfur dioxide,
----- nitrogen oxides, and
----- carbon monoxide;
C) polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, which would result from the incomplete burning of carbon-containing materials such as oil; and D) volatile organic compounds (VOCs) such as
-----benzene,
-----toluene,
-----ethylbenzene, and
-----xylene.

For the chemicals we DO know are in there, here’s the breakdown of the byproducts produced when they burn:

H2S……Sulfur oxides
C6H6……Carbon monoxide and Carbon dioxide
CH2CL2…..Hydrogen chloride gas and *Phosgene gas.*

If you didn’t know, Phosgene gas was used during WWI as a chemical weapon; it was one of the first.

The bottom line is that this toxic vapor soup is being released into the atmosphere with no mechanism to scrub it into its less toxic components.

We see fine particulate matter settling over city skyscrapers in the hot, humid summer months; we call that air pollution/smog. For those with breathing difficulties--when the particulate levels are high--it’s a day to stay indoors in air conditioning.

Let’s just pray the atmosphere can handle this.

[k-os]

Same associate, 3rd verse:



Wow. Thanks beefsteak.

This could be why the high clouds look yellow and the low clouds look blue (probably white, but contrasted to the yellow they look blue).

[beefsteak]

Some personally submitted Q&A with this professional associate ON JUNE 10, 2010:



ME: ....with your obvious professional skillsets in the area of Air Quality, you must surely be either stunned at the EPA recent PPB report [as reported by Chaplain Lindsey Williams] re:
H2S –> 1,200PPB
C6H6 –> 3,000PPB
CH2Cl2 –> 3,000 to 3,400PPB

RESPONSE: **I haven’t read the EPA report….are these concentrations parts per billion (PPB) or parts per million (PPM)? Huge difference!



ME: or else you must be reading everything you can get your hands on as your profession struggles to get their arms around this type of pollution and devising mitigations.

Personally, do you know of ANY screw in canisters than can handle an aerial assault of the organic compound C6H6 in THOSE concentrations?

RESPONSE**If the concentration is, in fact, PPB, a variety of canisters will handle those concentrations, as long as the concentrations don’t exceed the IDLH (Immediate Danger to Life and Health) figure. MSDS, NIOSH, and the whole alphabet soup of acronyms usually deal in PPM.

**For H2S,
3M’s canister FR-15 will do the trick for concentrations of 1,000PPM and under. The 1,200PPB concentration you quoted would equal 1.2PPM. At much higher H2S concentrations nearing the 1,000PPM figure, the service life of the canister would be approximately 15 minutes!

**The figure you gave for C6H6 is 3,000PPB, or 3.0PPM.
The STEL (Short Term Exposure Limit based on a 15 minute excursion into a Benzene-enriched atmosphere) is 0-5.0PPM.

Obviously, benzene is dangerous, even for short periods without respiratory protection; many manufacturers sell canisters that will block it.

Now, what I don’t know is if certain areas in the Gulf have a higher concentration (I assume that’s so). So, if the concentration in a given area exceeds 10.0PPM, SCBA (Self Contained Breathing Apparatus) would be required.

**For CH2CL2, an organic vapor canister will work for a concentration of 3,000-3,400PPB, or 3.0-3.4PPM. The IDLH concentration for CH2CL2 is 2,300PPM, and that’s quite a high concentration!

**Bottom line, is yes, many cartridges will be effective however, *total* respiratory protection for anyone working in the spill area would be SCBA.

I’ve worn that level of protection (usually Level B) over the years; it’s bulky and uncomfortable but it does protect the respiratory system, as well as skin, feet, hands, head and eyes. Don’t know how feasible SCBA would be under these circumstances, but it is supplied air under positive pressure.



ME: And secondarily, since CH2Cl2 is usually produced as the result of a biomass on fire, what are your peers speculating in this regard?

**Because of where I work, muttering is the order of the day; there’s a good reason for it. Dichloromethane (CH2CL2) is *never* a desired result of any fire and the fact that the spill has not been contained is fueling (oops, no pun intended!) speculation of widespread air contamination if not contained quickly.



ME: Thank you

RESPONSE:**You’re welcome! I jumped right away onto your questions. This entire matter will need to be a scientific dialogue from all branches of science regarding not only the immediate effects, but the long term effects, as well; the latter is what I fear most.




ME: Do you have access to such details? I’m familiar with screw in canisters, but not in those ppb ratings. Besides, I would truly expect BP and the EPA and US Military would have scooped up all available supply from every nook and cranny by now, almost 6 weeks into this tragedy.

RESPONSE:**I don’t have a list that I can post, but if you search ‘respiratory protection for’ (fill in the chemical) you’ll get either manufacturers’ suggestions or, better yet, the MSDS. Section 8 will give you the protection factors. Again, the PPB concentrations don’t frighten me.



ME: One thing I have noticed…those who aren’t familiar with the properties of C6H6 for example, but who are trying to calm everyone down with broadcasting the trillions of gallons of H2O in the Gulf of Mexico do not understand that C6H6 for example is not particularly diluted by water.

RESPONSE:**Right you are! I don’t know if you’re old enough to remember the 1960s (peace, man!) but that’s when the chemicals we know today first came into being; we had NO IDEA of the human/environmental consequences if we handled those chemicals incorrectly! The mantra back them was ‘The solution to pollution is dilution.’ Nice rhyme, but not true in all cases….


**I hope I helped rather than confused the situation. Please let me know if what I’ve been too vague and I’ll try to iron it out.



beef

[beefsteak]

Q&A with same associate: June 24th interaction: re: dispersants used in 1989 Valdez "spill"...


ME: had you or your colleagues ever talked about the June 2010 CNN soundbyte wherein it was proclaimed by the guest being interview who stated “almost ALL Exxon Valdez clean up workers were dead?


(quoted from CNN televised interview viewable as of this date via CNN website)
March 1989 date of spill
June 2010, date of CNN report.
Average age of at time of death: 51
(closed quoted portion from CNN taped interview)

Time between spill and CNN report: 21 years.




ME:
Means a bunch of 30 somethings did the cleaning up.

I don’t know anyone median age of 30 who wants to pre-date their obituary fast forward in 20 years, do you?

Any documentation of dispersants used in the Valdez debacle?

That was a mind bender CNN interview!!! Wonder how they got THAT one past the CROWN controlled AP newswire censors?

RESPONSE:**Not sure if anyone has talked or is talking about the Exxon Valdez, but the parallels to the Gulf situation are astounding except for the fact that we had a spill from a tanker then, and an uncontrolled gusher now.

I don’t doubt for a minute that most of the workers are dead; the Exxon Valdez was an ‘experiment’ with oil cleanup and dispersants on a large scale. Did the effects of the oil or the dispersants kill the workers prematurely?

And yes, they did try dispersants in AK…one of the first times they did, I believe. The ones used were Corexit 7664 and BP1100X (I can get you the particulars on these if you’d like…let me know).

There were less than 5,000 gallons available so after a trial run, the tidal action of Prince William Sound was not enough to ‘mix’ the dispersants so that they could work.

The experiment was abandoned, and cleanup workers were sent to physically do the job…thousands of them! I think we all remember the pictures of workers suited up, spraying rocks and beaches and washing oil-soaked wildlife.

Now, the Valdez happened in 1989. During 1989 and 1990, bio-remediation was indeed attempted in several selected areas and the oil did, in fact, degrade. The jury, however, is still out [these 21 years later] as to whether bio-remediation actually worked, or if the oil and its effects degraded naturally.

I did visit AK in 1995 and made it a point to tour Prince William Sound. The effects could still be seen if you looked hard enough, six years after the spill.

The ecosystem has replenished itself, but I always wonder what chemical and biological changes have taken place in the flora and fauna and whether we have genetically ‘new’ species after a spill like that.

One thing’s for certain, though: It’s much easier to prevent an accident like this from happening in the first place rather than try to clean up the mess when it does.

Areas that are hit will never be the same. This is why I’m so worried about the Gulf.



beef

[beefsteak]

K-os...
you're welcome!!

BTW, there is a NIOSH pocketguide with the various PPM (per toxin) limits for quicky reference based upon OSHA data.

I'll be happy to ask my associate for how much and where to purchase for any gulf resident(s) who would like to be informed.

I just keep seeing those two bands on that map up above, and know for a fact, people in those regions are especially in elevated danger zones simply because of prevailing winds whether or not generated by hurricanes.



beef

[keehah]

Great info Beef Steak thanks.

With as little as 15 minutes a canister for example, given what stock of canisters one could reasonably expect to have on hand, a gas mask can only be used to hunker down for an occasion transitory event, like a toxic cloud passing over. Not to decide, then get away from the coast if the air stays toxic.

[beefsteak]

Y/W. You make an excellent point.

Sometimes it takes me 16+ minutes to find my glasses. I would be in trouble, huh. :o


beef

[beefsteak]

k-os, large sarge, and others,

here's a 2007 pdf of the NIOSH Pocket Guide to wit I referred above which was reco'd to me by my associate.

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/pdfs/2005-149.pdf

It would appear that to purchase a soft-bound, hard copy would be approximately $37 (plus S&H?) This is from an earlier recollection from having researched this earlier.

Page V = ToC
Page II, III = purchasing sources.





beef

[uranian]

Poison Spreads: Gulf air turns toxic after oil spill 'relief effort'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uled9TFmXMY

[keehah]

Daily KOS: We are going to conduct an uncontrolled experiment. (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/6/19/877547/-We-are-going-to-conduct-an-uncontrolled-experiment.)

by 8ackgr0und N015e Jun 19, 2010

Hurricane season is here. The sea surface temperatures in the Gulf of Mexico are higher now than they were at this time for the last few years. NOAA is forecasting an active hurricane season. The impact of oil on hurricanes and vice versa is unclear. One thing is clear. There is more in The Soup than just oil.

To date, most conversations have focused on the scenario of wind-whipped oil raining down on shore. That will probably not happen. However, this eruption contains significant amounts of volatile organic compounds; benzene, tuolene, ethylbenzene, xylene and naphthalene. These are chemical compounds containing carbon bonds that readily vaporize in air. They are probably responsible for the "gas station odor" people in Louisiana are complaining about.

Here's the experiment we are about to embark on:
What happens when you put all those compounds into the air and rain them down on people?

One of the VOC worth noting is methane. It is known that massive amounts of methane are being released from this gusher. According to estimates from the US Geological Survey "flow team", this gusher is releasing about 2,900 cubic feet of methane for every barrel of oil it pumps out into the Gulf. Current conservative estimates by the US Coast Guard and NOAA put the flow rate at somewhere between 35,000 and 60,000 barrels a day.

Assuming the conservative 35,000 barrels per day for the last two months, that means approximately 6 billion cubic feet of methane have already been released. (2,900 cubic feet/barrel * 35,000 barrels * 60 days) A hurricane churning the water will certainly release a lot of this gas into the air along with water vapor and other volatile organic compounds.

Benzene levels in crude oil can be as high as 1% by weight, but it probably comprises an even higher percentage of the volatile fraction. The same is true for napthalene. These concentrations are generally converted to parts per million (ppm) when air sample results are reported by the EPA. Unfortunately, the air samples don't break down total VOC into constituents. In general, reports prior to the gusher were on the order of .1 ppm for all VOC. If you look into the dowloadable air monitoring data (links at bottom of page), some locations are reporting VOC measurements as high as 3.9 ppm.

For reference, the Louisiana Dept. of Environmental Quality has pegged the following concentrations as regulatory standards for specific compounds:

Benzene = .004 ppm
Napthalene = .22 ppm

So far, levels reported from mobile EPA Trace Atmospheric Gas Analyzers in late April and early May as high as

Benzene = 0.09 ppm
Napthalene = 0.003 ppm

I expect these numbers will increase even further in the event of a hurricane making landfall in the Gulf. It is unclear what impact this will have. However, acute respiratory consequences are likely to be seen first in people with underlying respiratory disease—such as emphysema, chronic bronchitis or even moderate or severe asthma. The long-term impact of these known carcinogens is unclear. But we are about to test that.

[beefsteak]

Methane is not the issue for breathing and potential immediate personal health on shore, it is benzene, H2S and the other toxic contaminants.

A gas mask is what Simmons recommended. Also for some reason we have gone all oxygen respirator here which is not a gas mask.


keehah,
you're confusing the hell out of us with your copy paste "expertise."

First you post the above,
Then try to pick an argument with me.

Now, today, you post this??????



One of the VOC worth noting is methane. It is known that massive amounts of methane are being released from this gusher. According to estimates from the US Geological Survey "flow team", this gusher is releasing about 2,900 cubic feet of methane for every barrel of oil it pumps out into the Gulf. Current conservative estimates by the US Coast Guard and NOAA put the flow rate at somewhere between 35,000 and 60,000 barrels a day.

Assuming the conservative 35,000 barrels per day for the last two months, that means approximately 6 billion cubic feet of methane have already been released. (2,900 cubic feet/barrel * 35,000 barrels * 60 days) A hurricane churning the water will certainly release a lot of this gas into the air along with water vapor and other volatile organic compounds.


So,
is it your new position---> whats a few billion cubic feet of methane between us forum mateys?

>:(

[MAGNES]

ok here is a brief summary

the oil is all on the floor of the Gulf of Mexico

it is over 500 feet thick/deep

it is 120+ miles wide

it is staying down there because of the temperature inversion

the water at that depth is 30 degrees or so

the temperature of the water at the surface is 88 degrees

when the hurricanes come through, they stir the cold water to the surface

this will release tremendous amounts of poison gas (methane, butane, benzene, etc)

this is a very serious danger




I was thinking about how this is going to work for a while,
and mentioned it a few times on here, and asking questions,
a few attempted to answer, big question on rain and chemicals,
etc, how that plays out for not only gulf but continent,
maybe beyond. We need some real scientists thinking
about this to cover this, right now everyone is lying to
everyone.

[uranian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0-zvTMa7DI

[beefsteak]

Hate to point this out, I truly do...but those gas mask filters those two were using? They might as well have been breathing through a Wendy's paper napkin.

Those aren't rated for these chems. Please, anyone that knows who made this film, PLEASE get the word out re: what canister ratings they should be using.

GOOD GRIEF!!!

[keehah]

keehah,
you're confusing the hell out of us with your copy paste "expertise."

First you post the above,
Then try to pick an argument with me.

Now, today, you post this???...

So,
is it your new position---> whats a few billion cubic feet of methane between us forum mateys?

>:(

My position is unchanged and consistant. I'm not sure what your problem is. Both of us have provided good detailed chemical information on methane that is entirely constant and complimentary. I'm at a loss for why every few posts you attack me.

This what is best about sites like this. We have a large range of expertise in our members.

[dysgenic]

I'm sorry if this has already been covered (I haven't read the whole thread), but word is that Simmons is illuminati. A few years ago when I was tearing apart the peak oil question, I heard that from multiple sources. I never confirmed it for myself, but I wouldn't trust anything that guy says.

dys

[beefsteak]

Dys,

no disagreement from this quarter.

Yes, it has been stated thusly earlier in this thread. I believe if you search GS-US forum KEYWORDS: THE CROWN (as opposed to the one QE-II wears on her brow) you will find support for your position.

Just because he is illuminati, i.e., part of THE CROWN Chancery, doesn't mean he's incapable of speaking the truth. In fact, I believe they pride themselves on speaking truth prior to doing their deeds, and then after the havoc has been wreck, claiming responsibility even.

I'm reminded of the movie one of the oil men/elitist/illuminati bragged to Chaplain Lindsay Williams that the Katrina story was foretold plus all events afterwords, in the film, OIL STORM. That movie was created and filmed the illuminati this old man claimed to Williams TWO full weeks prior to Katrina. It appeared on DISCOVERY channel.

It is my thought the events FOLLOWING that hurricane which wiped out New Orleans. in the movie, are also foretold events. The destruction seen currently in the GoM --if memory serves-- is also part of the continuation of that story line. I had someone watch it for me and take notes and then bring them to my office.

OIL STORM is available, in multiple short segments( 10?) online, thanks to YouTube I'm told by someone who had the stomach to watch it after Williams brought the movie story anecdote from his "source X" forward, in the last 60+ days.

Many people have contributed many things of substance on this thread. Hopefully you will be able to carve out some time to "catch up." In any event, please keep posting, because I'm interested in your take on things.

beef

[dysgenic]

Thank you for the kind words. I will go back and read this whole thread. I agree that illuminati members are capable of telling the truth, especially in a prophetic way. One of their 'rules' is that they have to 'tell' or warn us what they are going to do prior to doing it. This 'telling' can be done in various ways- examples include film, songs, interviews, even card games http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/icg.html.
Something else even more common with the badguys than this type of 'warning' is the satanic tactic of mixing lies and truth. A lot of times when this tactic is employed, the truth used is profound, eloquently stated, especially inspiring or interesting, etc... Bottom line: it can be tough to discern from listening to or reading an occultist whether he is trying to play the reader/listener or telegraphing what is actually going to happen.

dys






Dys,

no disagreement from this quarter.

Yes, it has been stated thusly earlier in this thread. I believe if you search GS-US forum KEYWORDS: THE CROWN (as opposed to the one QE-II wears on her brow) you will find support for your position.

Just because he is illuminati, i.e., part of THE CROWN Chancery, doesn't mean he's incapable of speaking the truth. In fact, I believe they pride themselves on speaking truth prior to doing their deeds, and then after the havoc has been wreck, claiming responsibility even.

I'm reminded of the movie one of the oil men/elitist/illuminati bragged to Chaplain Lindsay Williams that the Katrina story was foretold plus all events afterwords, in the film, OIL STORM. That movie was created and filmed the illuminati this old man claimed to Williams TWO full years prior to Katrina.

It is my thought the events FOLLOWING that hurricane which wiped out New Orleans. in the movie, are also foretold events. The destruction seen currently in the GoM --if memory serves-- is also part of the continuation of that story line. I had someone watch it for me and take notes and then bring them to my office.

OIL STORM is available online, thanks to YouTube I'm told by someone who had the stomach to watch it after Williams brought the movie story anecdote from his "source X" forward, in the last 60+ days.

Many people have contributed many things of substance on this thread. Hopefully you will be able to carve out some time to "catch up." In any event, please keep posting, because I'm interested in your take on things.

beef

[PatColo]

Oil Storm aired in June 5, 2005, about 3 months before Katrina. Nailed the (future) date of Katrina, and the outcome to NO-LA. From the BP/Gulf CT thread (http://gold-silver.us/forum/conspiracy-theories/bp-gulf-oil-disaster-conspiratorial-view-of-history-perspective/msg54635/#msg54635),


Post-Katrina conspiratorial perspective from Ed Griffin, forget about the prophetic pre-Katrina TV-movie Oil Storm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_Storm), forget HAARP (http://www.amazon.com/Weather-Warfare-Jerry-E-Smith/dp/1931882606/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books), forget blown levees (http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=vw#hl=en&source=hp&q=Katrina+blown+levee); the gummit's post-Katrina "incompetence" may have been an NWO dress rehearsal for what they're planning to roll out to the broader South-East US this Summer:
THE US GOVERNMENT DID NOT FAIL ITS MISSION
IN THE WAKE OF HURRICANE KATRINA (http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedomcontent.cfm?fuseaction=FEMA_Katrina)

[dysgenic]

Thanks for the links, good stuff. I've always believed that Hurricane Katrina was a false flag.

dys




Oil Storm aired in June 5, 2005, about 3 months before Katrina. Nailed the (future) date of Katrina, and the outcome to NO-LA. From the BP/Gulf CT thread (http://gold-silver.us/forum/conspiracy-theories/bp-gulf-oil-disaster-conspiratorial-view-of-history-perspective/msg54635/#msg54635),


Post-Katrina conspiratorial perspective from Ed Griffin, forget about the prophetic pre-Katrina TV-movie Oil Storm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_Storm), forget HAARP (http://www.amazon.com/Weather-Warfare-Jerry-E-Smith/dp/1931882606/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books), forget blown levees (http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=vw#hl=en&source=hp&q=Katrina+blown+levee); the gummit's post-Katrina "incompetence" may have been an NWO dress rehearsal for what they're planning to roll out to the broader South-East US this Summer:
THE US GOVERNMENT DID NOT FAIL ITS MISSION
IN THE WAKE OF HURRICANE KATRINA (http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedomcontent.cfm?fuseaction=FEMA_Katrina)

[Liquid]

Say, not to backtrack, but regarding methane detectors. Keep in mind that methane, is heavier than air. Mount those detectors in a low space of the home. I'm assuming there's no basements in FL homes, but a blower system may be a good idea for any 'low points' of the home.

Methane will find the low point, have nowhere to go, build up concentrations until the LEL is reached, then Kaboom...

[uranian]

Oil and water samples were taken from both the Shores of Grand Isle and from 20 miles out. The preliminary analysis was done at an academic analytical chemistry laboratory. Looking for the likely pollutants from the deep water Horizon Oil spill. It was focused on the detection of benzene and propylene glycol. Benzene and other highly toxic contaminants were very low however the concentration of propylene glycol was between 360 and 440 parts per million. Just 25 parts per million is know to kill most fish and propylene glycol is just one of many ingredients found in Corexit. In short, the Gulf is being poisoned by BP's usage of the dispersants even after the EPA asked them to stop back in May. We are willing to provide ANY respected/known laboratory these samples or provide them with more. This is very serious to all people and marine life in and around the Gulf.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq65E7rmO_k

seems like the oil is at depth so not causing too many problems yet (though what'll happen if a few hurricanes stir up the gulf is anyone's guess), while the corexit is starting to become a problem.

[uranian]

Matt is now saying that some scientists are reporting that 40% of the gulf is now without oxygen, and that the well casing is gone (meaning the relief wells can't work):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYuskdjrh4k&playnext_from=TL&videos=u0pMNvioJQc

the anchor actually sounds a bit pissed herself when she realises that perhaps the relief wells won't work...makes you wonder what the average american is thinking at this point.

[I am me, I am free]

The former president of Shell even said recently that the relief wells only have a 50/50 chance of being successful.

[uranian]

i don't know where this will end, but i've never had the impression that any of these attempts are even meant to be successful.

[Large Sarge]

i don't know where this will end, but i've never had the impression that any of these attempts are even meant to be successful.


one way to keep people placated/calm as you poison them, their oceans, their lands, etc is to keep telling them " a few more weeks and we will have it"

there would be massive riots and unrest if you came out and said "its going to take 15 months for the well to play out enough for us to cap it"

but if you do a new theme/idea every 4-6 weeks, well the months just keep adding up, and very few people evacuate the poison areas because they think "they almost got it this time, I hang out a few more weeks, and its fixed"

[keehah]

Nice video uranian. I noticed how the ex Navy guy's reason for not using a nuke to stop the oil leak is that peaceful use of nuclear bombs to control oil fields would make it harder to attack Iran.

[Heimdhal]

Nice video uranian. I noticed how the ex Navy guy's reason for not using a nuke to stop the oil leak is that peaceful use of nuclear bombs to control oil fields would make it harder to attack Iran.


I noticed that as well. It seemed like his whole reason for being there was to inject his political spewings into the conversation and the oil was a secondary thing. Matt Simons was right to the point, didnt get into the political aspect at all and he seemed to be a lot more proffesional and credible than Mr. Squid-Boy "Iran is going to kill us all."

Now, I do have a bit of confusion on the well. They say they removed the cap they had in place, so oil is now spewing out again until the new cap is put back on monday. I admit, I dont know much about this cap thing, but if there is no well casing, if its just a whole in the ground, where did they put the cap on? And did the cap totaly stop the oil flow? I wasnt aware it had stopped or be abbated in anyways thus far.

[I am me, I am free]

Nice video uranian. I noticed how the ex Navy guy's reason for not using a nuke to stop the oil leak is that peaceful use of nuclear bombs to control oil fields would make it harder to attack Iran.


I noticed that as well. It seemed like his whole reason for being there was to inject his political spewings into the conversation and the oil was a secondary thing. Matt Simons was right to the point, didnt get into the political aspect at all and he seemed to be a lot more proffesional and credible than Mr. Squid-Boy "Iran is going to kill us all."

Now, I do have a bit of confusion on the well. They say they removed the cap they had in place, so oil is now spewing out again until the new cap is put back on monday. I admit, I dont know much about this cap thing, but if there is no well casing, if its just a whole in the ground, where did they put the cap on? And did the cap totaly stop the oil flow? I wasnt aware it had stopped or be abbated in anyways thus far.



The recently removed 'cap' was capturing some of the spewed oil, and the new cap they're going to install is supposed to be able to capture more oil, something like being capable of 80,000(!) barrels a day. The caps go over the stubbed pipe sticking up out of the listing BOP, which is at a pretty good angle by now - enough that even the media is starting to show the BOP listing in graphics.

[Large Sarge]

they do not let simmons talk about the holes in the ocean floor anymore

he has said "there is one 5-6 miles from the well, and it is much bigger than the well"

thats the only way they could figure those massive plumes

[keehah]

More of what we first heard from Matt is now admitted as true.

The Times-Picayune , July 09: Discovery of second pipe in Deepwater Horizon riser stirs debate among experts (http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/07/post_19.html)

For the first time Friday, the Coast Guard and BP acknowledged that a mysterious second pipe, wedged next to the drill pipe in what remains of the Deepwater Horizon's riser, is fouling up the works where the well is spewing hundreds of millions of gallons of crude oil into the Gulf of Mexico.

"We used a diamond saw and we got inside. We found there was actually two sets of drill pipe there," said retired Adm. Thad Allen, the top U.S. Coast Guard official overseeing the response to America's worst-ever oil spill.
37

Some experts say a second piece of drill pipe in the riser could have prevented shear rams on the rig's blowout preventer from sealing the well and permanently cutting off the flow of oil after the April 20 explosion. The presence of two pipes could have also contributed to BP's failure to make a clean cut on the riser when securing the existing containment dome, inhibiting its ability to collect the maximum amount of oil.

It "presumably fell down beside it as a result of the explosion and the riser pipe being bent over," Allen said. He noted that the second pipe does not have oil shooting from it.

BP officials said late Friday that they believe the second pipe is drill pipe. Pictures show it is similar in diameter to the known drill pipe.

While Allen said he believes the second pipe fell from above, some experts have advanced another explanation. They believe poorly cemented casings -- tubes that are supposed to form solid walls down thousands of feet of the well bore -- may have been dislodged by the blast of natural gas that shot up out of the well and above the sea floor.

If that's what happened, the piece of pipe would have gone into the blowout preventer, the 450-ton tower of valves and pistons that sits on top of the well head and is supposed to shut off the well in an emergency. The Deepwater Horizon's blowout preventer failed to cut through the pipe that ran through it, and subsequent efforts to shut the so-called shear rams using remote-control submarine robots also failed.

Preliminary investigations have shown that other questionable decisions and well-design choices precipitated the blowout of a well that had been considered a "nightmare" by BP engineers. But the blowout preventer was the last-ditch way to save the rig from the explosions that killed 11 men and eventually led to the interminable leak.

The idea that a loose pipe shot up from deeper in the well and prevented the shear ram from closing has been espoused by such experts as oil industry investment banker Matt Simmons and Bob Bea, a University of California at Berkeley engineer leading a scientific investigation into the blowout. But others have wondered if the mystery pipe isn't just a section of the same drill pipe that came loose, or even a pipe that fell down the riser from the rig 5,000 feet above.

The Coast Guard's acknowledgement of the two metal tubes Friday -- and a subsequent reference by BP to its plans to tie the two pipes together as the company installs a new oil collection system over the shaved-off riser -- actually comes more than a month after the Department of Energy noted the existence of two pipes using special imaging technology. At the time, BP dismissed the Energy findings as "impossible" because only one pipe in sections was used for drilling, a Tribune News Service story reported last month.

Video images of the riser when it was cut in early June clearly showed the two pipes, raising speculation on blogs. Allen said the second pipe also led to a jagged cut on the larger riser pipe, forcing the response team to use the loose cap with a rubber seal. And now, the two pieces are forcing the team to spend several days tying them together and clearing the way for a new, hopefully more solid connection.

Did you miss the 'debate among experts'?

Let me sum it up. And add Matt has said the double pipe was observed (imaged) the entire fifty feet of the BOP. Matt is saying the blowout pushed the second length of pipe into the BOP, then the BOP could not stop the flow, then the rig burned and sunk days later sinking and twisting the riser. The theory the US agents and the newspaper is suggesting is that after the blowout the BOP did not fully close for some reason, then, days later when the rig sank, sinking pipe below the rig just happened to fall through the thousands of psi gusher, and up through a (damaged) closed valve of the BOP, fully penetrate, and wedge itself in so tightly that even the bowels of hell could not pop the now cut clean end back out again.

[Large Sarge]

still consider this one of the best interviews on this (matt simmons, dated)

"there is a second hole 5-6 miles away, that no one is dealing with, or even talking about"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDGAoU1H2gM

[Heimdhal]

Nice video uranian. I noticed how the ex Navy guy's reason for not using a nuke to stop the oil leak is that peaceful use of nuclear bombs to control oil fields would make it harder to attack Iran.


I noticed that as well. It seemed like his whole reason for being there was to inject his political spewings into the conversation and the oil was a secondary thing. Matt Simons was right to the point, didnt get into the political aspect at all and he seemed to be a lot more proffesional and credible than Mr. Squid-Boy "Iran is going to kill us all."

Now, I do have a bit of confusion on the well. They say they removed the cap they had in place, so oil is now spewing out again until the new cap is put back on monday. I admit, I dont know much about this cap thing, but if there is no well casing, if its just a whole in the ground, where did they put the cap on? And did the cap totaly stop the oil flow? I wasnt aware it had stopped or be abbated in anyways thus far.



The recently removed 'cap' was capturing some of the spewed oil, and the new cap they're going to install is supposed to be able to capture more oil, something like being capable of 80,000(!) barrels a day. The caps go over the stubbed pipe sticking up out of the listing BOP, which is at a pretty good angle by now - enough that even the media is starting to show the BOP listing in graphics.


Thanks.

Funny they are saying the new cap can gather 80,000 barrels a day, when they are still trying to pass of numbers that are sub 20,000. ::)