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wallew
1st July 2010, 10:27 AM
I thought this one had already been posted...

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It is a review of a book authored by Wilson Beck [not Glenn Beck], titled "Wakeup Call From Mexico"

I think Mr. Beck makes a clear case for closing the border, stopping illegal immigration and limiting legal immigration to the US. He details the history of Mexico and the Mexican culture. To many people fail to realize how big a cultural difference there really is between Americans and Mexicans.

If you haven't seen the light on this issue, pay attention and read below. I have broad shoulders so go ahead and sling the racist arrows my way.

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-202826.html

Book Review: Spiraling Toward Chaos
By Fred Elbel

Volume 20, Number 2 (Winter 2009-2010)

Issue theme: "Timeout! The case for a moratorium on legal immigration."

View original PDF format
http://www.thesocialcontract.com/pdf...20_2_elbel.pdf

Wakeup Call From Mexico

An Historical and Contemporary Understanding of Mexico’s Pandemic Violence, Drug War, Kidnappings, and Illegal Immigration; How to Safeguard America as America Spirals Toward Chaos

By Wilson Beck

Mucho Press

Occasionally, a book is published which, while providing a myriad of details on a subject matter, also conveys the complete gestalt — the big picture. Wakeup Call From Mexico is such a book. Immensely readable, this book describes Mexico’s violent history, its class-based society, its ineffective and corrupt political system, and the serious threat that Mexico as a nearly failed state poses to the United States. The historical perspective alone makes this book required reading for all concerned with U.S.-Mexico relations and unending illegal immigration across the unsecured U.S.-Mexico border.

The author, Wilson Beck, possesses substantial credibility as one who has spent more than forty years in Mexico as his second home. As a true Mexicophile, he has studied Mexico’s history, people and cultural differences that have now taken it to the brink of catastrophe. Mexico Lindo (beautiful Mexico) has become Mexico Pilogrosso (dangerous Mexico). An examination of Mexico’s enthralling history reveals why.

Mexico’s Golden Age

When Cortéz landed in 1519 and claimed the region for Spain, there were between 10 and 30 million inhabitants in Mexico, yet when the Pilgrims arrived at Plymouth Rock in 1620, there were probably fewer than 5 million inhabitants in the region known today as the U.S. The floating gardens of Tenochititlán (Mexico City) were surrounded by a million people while the largest European cities supported about 300,000. Beck states quite succinctly that “Pre-Columbian civilization in the U.S. was rudimentary to that of Mexico.”

For 1,000-1,200 years prior to 1250 A.D., agriculture-based cultures had evolved into an advanced society known as Mexico’s Golden Age — the Classical Period. Beck notes that “The people of the Valley of Mexico experienced perhaps the longest period of peaceful and quasi-peaceful human existence ever recorded.” Mexico flourished. Advances in astronomy, math, art, engineering, and agriculture were truly staggering.

It came to an end around 900 A.D. with Mexico’s first cultural collision. The nomadic Toltecs invaded, burned and looted the great city of Teotihuacán and usurped control of the Valley of Mexico. The Aztecs arrived three centuries later to complete the descent into barbarism.

Ritualized Cannibalism

Beck states that “When the Aztecs arrived in1250 A.D., the Valley was crowded with perhaps 5 million of Chichimec barbarians and Toltecs who had been assimilated into the new barbaric culture.” He notes that “The way the Aztecs snuck into the Valley was analogous to the way millions of illegal Mexican immigrants are sneaking into the U.S. today. They arrived uneducated, unskilled, and poor.”

Contrary to popular misconceptions held by Mexicans today who idolize the Aztecs, “The once great Teotihuacán culture was not advanced by the Aztecs. The Aztecs had nothing to do with the Golden Age of Mexico. Quite the contrary, under the barbaric stewardship of the Aztecs, the Mexican culture degraded and reached abysmal states of human existence.”

As occupants of the Valley, the Aztecs were the most brutal. “The beneficent gods of the Teotihuacanos had been exchanged for the blood-thirsty gods of the Aztecs and Chichimecs. A common sacrifice ritual was the extraction and consumption of the human heart while the human still gasped his last precious breaths of air.” The arms and thighs were cooked and eaten by the masses and the torsos were fed to jaguars.

The Aztecs sacrificed 20,000 to 50,000 people a year in the fifteenth century — 2 to 5 million people every century. “Imagine,” Beck writes, “50 to 150 people being brutally sacrificed and eaten every single day in the Central Valley of Mexico” — one percent of the total population. “It was a 300 year blood fest. This became the Mexican nature!” This legacy is inextricably woven into the fabric of present-day Mexico.

Collision with Europe

The arrival of the Spanish initiated Mexico’s second cultural collision, when in 1521, the Aztec tyranny came to an end. Beck writes: “Cortéz defeated an empire… twelve hundred Spaniards defeated 10 million Aztecs!... It is mind-boggling! To understand how this happened is to truly understand the nature, the psyche of the Aztec culture, and the ancestors of modern Mexico.”

At the time, wars were fought between various city-states of Mexico, but not on a grand scale. Small skirmishes were fought to obtain people as slaves and for sacrifice. Beck succinctly notes that “the commerce was humanity…. It was not a political confederacy which was ruled by the Aztecs. It was a system of accommodation built around fear, survival, and cowardice.” Thus, when Cortéz defeated the Aztecs, it was in large part due to the fact the Aztecs did not join together to defend their neighbors. The habit of deference and subordination already had been engrained into the Mexican soul.

Mexicans refer to the Spanish conquest as La Chingada — the rape and destruction of their culture - and still consider themselves as “children of the great violation.” Yet Beck reflects that “The bleeding hearts…who want to marginalize the destructive, horrendous nature of the Aztec culture are not looking at the facts…. Cortéz was the beloved peace-maker…not a war-monger…. What happened in Mexico, however, was not only inevitable but from a humanistic perspective imperative.”

The Collision of Race

By 1600 A.D., the population had decreased markedly from an estimated 18 to 30 million people to 1.1 to 3.5 million. The Spaniards quested for gold while “The Catholic Church was tasked with converting the cannibals into Christians,” notes Beck.

Beck writes that “The biggest difference between Mexico and the U.S., historically, is that the Spaniards interbred with the indigenous people… and the English did not.” Social hierarchy was established: Spaniards born in Spain were the upper class. Children of Spaniards were called Criollos and were white (by Spanish standards).

Mixed offspring of Spanish and Criollos with Mexicans were called Mestizos, who did not advance in society. Beck observes that “These Mestizos, their offspring, and the pureblood, non-hybrid Mexicans became the new Mexican. Their interaction with the Spanish-born immigrants and the Mexican-born Criollos became the third cultural collision of the Mexican culture spawning the 1810 war of independence from Spain.”

Illegitimacy became the norm among Spaniards and Mexicans. Beck reports that today illegitimacy is a normal mode of life in Mexico and that in 2005, approximately 75 percent of illegal alien families in the U.S. were single-mother families.

After 1570, intermarrying came to a halt, leaving society stratified into distinct brown and white components.

Beck comments that “The vast majorities of modern day Mexicans identify and cling to their indigenous roots more than they do their European or Spanish roots. The opposite is true with the minority, twenty-first century whites. They value white skin and blue or green eyes obsessively… Black is so reviled that it almost does not exist. Blacks from around the world know this and basically do not immigrate to Mexico.” This attitude undoubtedly contributes to the conflict between Mexican illegal aliens and native Black Americans in our overwhelmed U.S. public education system.

Political Incompetence

In 1824, a Constitutional government was established in Mexico, much as in the United States. Yet during the first 30 years, 50 presidents were sworn into office. “Mexico continued to experiment with five different constitutions during its first thirty-five years of existence,” writes Beck.

By 1910, 95 percent of Mexico’s wealth was held by three percent of the population. In 1938, in a blatant example of governmental theft, the PEMEX oil company was formed from nationalized American and British holdings. The PRI one-party rule dominated from 1924 to 2000.

Modern-day businesses routinely keep dual sets of books, thus denying tax revenue desperately needed for infrastructure. The mordida — the bite, the bribe — is now commonplace in Mexico and is seen as a routine requisite of conducting business.

Beck concludes that “Most Americans do not understand the depths of Mexican political incompetence and corruption.”

The Mexican Culture

Beck points out striking deep-seated cultural differences between Mexico and the U.S. — with roots that can be traced back to the Aztec culture. He notes that the prevailing paradigm is that a person can be “either the f*%ker or the f*%ee” — either the victim or the perpetrator.

A derivative of a historically subjugated people is the engrained Mexican characteristic of the inability to trust anyone. “The concept of cheating is accepted. It is universal in Mexico. It is a holdover from the Aztec system of accommodation.” Similarly, the rule of law is not held in high esteem in Mexico as it is in the U.S. “When Mexicans do abide by the rule of law it is not for conceptual or moral reasons. They abide by the rule of law in order to not get apprehended by the police.”

Beck reflects that “The inability to accept responsibility for any mistake is a dominant Mexican characteristic… Mexicans are taught from an early age to discount personal responsibility. The idea of apologizing does not exist in the Mexican belief system… It is just part of their culture. This behavior existed 500 years ago and still exists today.”

These cultural aspects contribute to a less cohesive society where effective self-governance is extraordinarily more difficult to sustain than in the U.S.

U.S. – Mexico Relations

In 1824, Mexico was approximately twice as large as the organized parts of the U.S. By the end of the Mexican-American war in 1848, Mexico lost approximately 60 percent of this territory. Beck observes that “Most Mexicans believe that the gringos, one way or another, stole that portion of Mexico. They think it was an unjustifiable, illegal theft… Many Mexican historians equate the California Gold Rush to the Spaniard’s stealing the Aztec gold and silver in the sixteenth century.” It is not without irony that Mexican nationals are slowly reclaiming their lost territory of California.

Beck also notes that tangible reasons for the Mexican’s dislike of the gringos go back to the Spanish hatred of the Anglo-Saxon,” which originated in the fourteenth century. He observes that “The Mexicans have been incapable of creating a modern society. This is the root cause of the hatred the Mexicans have for the Gringos.”

More that $26 billion are sent as remittances by illegal aliens back to Mexico each year. Beck asks us to consider what that amount would do for the American economy: it would purchase more than 1.5 million cars or 15 million computers. $200 billion sent back to Mexico over the past 10 years would have purchased the staggering number of 15 million cars along with 150 million additional computers. “As the U.S. struggles with the worst financial crisis in eighty years, it is time to realize the negative drain that the Giant Sucking Sound from Mexico is having on the American economy,” says Beck.

Furthermore, Mexico’s population continues to rapidly expand, along with a commensurate increase in demand for oil. Beck projects that “By 2014, a few short years from now, Mexico will no longer have excess oil to export. This calamity will be momentous!”

Modern-Day Crime

The Reforma newspaper reported that 3,148 people were killed in drug-related violence since 2008. Forty-five journalists have been killed since 2000. Mexico has edged out Iraq to become the most violent country in the world. Beck observes that “More Mexicans have been killed in the drug war in Mexico in 2007 and 2008 than American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan in almost seven years.” This violence is visibly spilling over into the United States. Twenty-seven percent of the total U.S. federal prison population now consists of illegal aliens. Beck notes that unjustifiable sanctuary city policies protect these habitual criminals living in our midst.

“Mexico has embraced and accepted organized crime as a part of their culture,” writes Beck. The drug industry has grown to a $50 billion per-year business. Beck observes that $30 billion in drug cash, $50 billion in laundered money, $30 billion in remittances, and $75 billion in NAFTA trade deficits amount to $185 billion “blowing south to Mexico each year.” Interestingly, the escalating violence between rival drug gangs is reminiscent of the Aztec pattern of grotesque torture and beheadings — deliberately so. The main objective is to intimidate and terrify their opponents — and the populace in general — into submission.

Amidst an outbreak of lawlessness, President Wilson sent troops to the border in 1917 to restore the law. Beck suggests that “American intervention is probably what is needed now in order to stop the violent drug wars engulfing the country… Obviously, it is time for the two governments to secure our common borders again.”

Organized Mexican crime is a critical problem, yet the media is ignoring it. Beck soundly criticizes the Obama administration for failing to take the situation seriously, noting that the U.S. is spending the same amount of money to fight the opium industry in Afghanistan as it is the drug problem in our own back yard.

Kidnapping has become a significant source of criminal revenue. Mexico was the kidnapping capitol of the world in the sixteenth century, and it is again today. The difference is that now kidnappers are seeking ransom instead of dinner. The number of kidnappings in Mexico (called “sequesterings”) exceeded 10,000 in 2008. Kidnapping is now so common that kidnapping insurance is routinely purchased.

Beck observes that “Mexico has decided to prey upon its neighbor in lieu of establishing neighborly relations… There is a large element of Mexicans who do not have respect for the rule of law, the nation, or others. Unfortunately, they respect America and Americans even less.”

Conclusion

Beck clearly understands the consequences of unending illegal immigration into the U.S., asking “If, for example, 40 percent of our rivers and lakes are unusable for swimming in 2008, what will the result be in 2060 with 468 million people? Will the U.S. be like Mexico where 90 percent of the rivers and lakes are polluted and can no longer be used?”

Beck observes that Mexico’s unfortunately high birth rate of 20 per 1,000 will drive its population to double within the next fifty years. “Mexico,” he says, “is a country of babies having babies,” and “immigration to the U.S. (legal or illegal) is not the solution to Mexico’s twenty-first century population or poverty ills.”

Beck proposes the following steps as part of a viable solution:

Congress should limit immigration to 300,000 yearly and establish educational and skill requirements. Beck notes that an official with the Mexican CONAPO (National Population Counsel) official has suggest the total number of illegal aliens and offspring living in the United States is close to 32 million. Up to 20 percent of the Mexican labor force is employed in the U.S. “The poor Mexican family has become splintered and dysfunctional. Their government which has become content to export its workers instead of developing its economy is even more dysfunctional than the Mexican family.”


No amnesty, which would promote continued over-the-top levels of immigration for decades. Beck astutely observes that if 20 million illegal aliens are given amnesty, the result will be an additional 5 million Democratic voters, based on existing voting patterns. Beck then castigates President Obama as 100 percent wrong in promoting amnesty.


Complete the border fence to secure the border.


Use E-Verify across the board.


Increase ICE agents along the border to perhaps 100,000. Currently 19,000 agents intercept only 10 percent of illegal drugs and 25 percent of illegal aliens. Bring home some or most of the 289,000 troops stationed overseas, which includes 120,000 in Germany, Japan, and South Korea. Build at least seven military installations on the border.


Fix visa overstays, which account for one third of illegal aliens in the U.S.


NAFTA has become an unintentional windfall for drug cartels. NAFTA should be reevaluated in the context of the best interests of the U.S.


Perhaps a controversial point, Beck recommends a path to citizenship for a maximum of 5-million illegal Mexican aliens, based first upon repatriation and re-qualification.


Set new immigration levels and standards to avoid importing crime and eventual dumbing-down of American citizenry. He notes that the Australian model would work particularly well, stating that “The old concept of inviting the masses to the shores of the U.S. will not work in the twenty-first century.”

“As altruistic as Americans tend to be, they cannot afford to pay for the social services and education of twenty or thirty million illegal immigrants who have not been participating in the tax-paying system which supports social benefits.”

Beck observes that “We are out of focus as a country, as a culture with the negative impact that both the drug-industry and illegal immigration is having on the U.S.” He notes that “Congress can change a fifty year-old, obsolescent immigration law that was written to address racism yet continues to be a serious impediment to the development of twenty-first century America.”

He warns that “If the U.S. and Mexico do not start down a new path of cooperation Mexico will be a failed stated within ten years” with clearly disastrous consequences for the United States.

“America’s negative response to illegal immigration is not fear. It is a desire to maintain its level of education, values, and integrity.” Beck cautions that history is trying to repeat itself: the Aztecs are migrating northward by the millions, and he asks, “Will America become Mexamerica? It is our responsibility to decide.”

Bullfrog
1st July 2010, 12:30 PM
We have illegal immigrants bringing economic and criminal problems with them.
We are fighting a war on drugs.
We are told that American guns are being smuggled into Mexcio and sold to drug cartels.
We are fighting a war on terror and told that terrorists could smuggle a suitcase nuke into the country at any minute.

All these problems could be solved, by closing the border. But that is not gonna happen because the root of the problem is not in Mexico, it is in New York.

Banks finance Drug Cartels (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-29/banks-financing-mexico-s-drug-cartels-admitted-in-wells-fargo-s-u-s-deal.html)

The smugglers had bought the DC-9 with laundered funds they transferred through two of the biggest banks in the U.S.: Wachovia Corp. and Bank of America Corp., Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in its August 2010 issue.

This was no isolated incident. Wachovia, it turns out, had made a habit of helping move money for Mexican drug smugglers. Wells Fargo & Co., which bought Wachovia in 2008, has admitted in court that its unit failed to monitor and report suspected money laundering by narcotics traffickers -- including the cash used to buy four planes that shipped a total of 22 tons of cocaine.


This is just one example.

I am me, I am free
1st July 2010, 12:53 PM
We have illegal immigrants bringing economic and criminal problems with them.
We are fighting a war on drugs.
We are told that American guns are being smuggled into Mexcio and sold to drug cartels.
We are fighting a war on terror and told that terrorists could smuggle a suitcase nuke into the country at any minute.

All these problems could be solved, by closing the border. But that is not gonna happen because the root of the problem is not in Mexico, it is in New York.

Banks finance Drug Cartels (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-29/banks-financing-mexico-s-drug-cartels-admitted-in-wells-fargo-s-u-s-deal.html)

The smugglers had bought the DC-9 with laundered funds they transferred through two of the biggest banks in the U.S.: Wachovia Corp. and Bank of America Corp., Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in its August 2010 issue.

This was no isolated incident. Wachovia, it turns out, had made a habit of helping move money for Mexican drug smugglers. Wells Fargo & Co., which bought Wachovia in 2008, has admitted in court that its unit failed to monitor and report suspected money laundering by narcotics traffickers -- including the cash used to buy four planes that shipped a total of 22 tons of cocaine.


This is just one example.



There's no shortage of examples. The problem is systemic and far-reaching, going back decades.

NYSE Chairman Richard Grasso embracing his bestest butt buddy Raul Reyes, a member of the general secretariat of the FARC (in charge of financial affairs for FARC) traveling all the way to the jungle of Columbia to do so -

http://img.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0202/feb12fab54a8589b4b0e.jpeg


On June 26, 1999, Reuters reported that Grasso met with Colombian rebels, the FARC, in an article entitled "NYSE Chief Meets Top Colombia Rebel Leader". The FARC is considered a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department (on its list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations) and is allegedly responsible for kidnappings and narcotics trafficking in order to bankroll their revolutionary activities (see: narcoterrorism).

The article quoted Grasso as saying, "I invite members of the FARC to visit the New York Stock Exchange so that they can get to know the market personally." Some found the meeting inexplicable, considering the FARC supports anti-capitalist ideals and has no officially recognized financial clout. Grasso told reporters that he was bringing "a message of cooperation from U.S. financial services."

Translation: Criminal birds of a feather flock together

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Grasso

Twisted Titan
1st July 2010, 01:12 PM
No matter the problem that faces the US the answer to it is always the same.

Follow the money ......or more importly

Who is it that controls the flow of said money.

Solve that and you will solve your problem.

T

wallew
1st July 2010, 01:13 PM
I concur MAINLY with what you said.

Except:

There is NO war on drugs

The 'American Guns' (AR) are NOT being smuggled in. THE US GOVT IS SELLING THEM TO THE MEXICAN GOVT, who gives them to Mexican Army. IT IS THE MEXICAN ARMY that sells them to the narco gangs.

There HAVE been a few guns that have been confiscated that WERE smuggled in. More handguns than AR's though.

The majority of the AR's recovered are ALL traced back to being sold BY the US GOVT.

Other than THAT, you guys are dead bang on.

And leave us not forget the ARKANSAS mafia and the Mena Airport

Bullfrog
1st July 2010, 01:33 PM
I figured that the guns the drug cartels were buying were really coming from either the USA govt approved gun runners or the Israeli's.

But I have heard 2 different MSM sources give the impression that ordinary American citizens were smuggling guns into Mexico, and for that reason there needed to be new gun laws passed in the USA.

One of the sources I heard was NPR. The other I don't remember but it involved Clinton.

So if that is the story they want to push...then we should demand that the border be closed.

Ponce
1st July 2010, 02:00 PM
Gringo yu die, mi no speki engli viva di latinos..........Hey hey, don't make fun of me I am just practicing for the invasion, I already said that there will be a war between us and the latinos illegals......and even the non illegals.

wallew
1st July 2010, 02:05 PM
Of course the media is ignoring this story.

But if you dig in to trying to find out the SERIAL NUMBERS there's all sorts of hemming and hawing. At ONE POINT, someone from the Bush admin admitted 'some' of those weapons WERE sold to the Mexican govt.

willie pete
1st July 2010, 02:29 PM
Well according to obama's speech today in WI, the border is safer and more secure now than it's been in the last 20 years :lol

TheNocturnalEgyptian
1st July 2010, 02:59 PM
He's actually right. The mexicans are not an indigenous people. They were conquerers that migrated to mexico. The locals hated them so much, that many of the outlying tribes helped the spaniards find the capital, as well as contributing gifts, food, and maps.

General of Darkness
1st July 2010, 02:59 PM
Great read thanks for posting.

BrewTech
1st July 2010, 03:04 PM
He's actually right. The mexicans are not an indigenous people. They were conquerers that migrated to mexico. The locals hated them so much, that many of the outlying tribes helped the spaniards find the capital, as well as contributing gifts, food, and maps.


Source(s), please...

wallew
1st July 2010, 04:52 PM
He's actually right. The mexicans are not an indigenous people. They were conquerers that migrated to mexico. The locals hated them so much, that many of the outlying tribes helped the spaniards find the capital, as well as contributing gifts, food, and maps.


Source(s), please...


UH, the OP? You know, the guy WHO LIVED IN MEXICO AS A SECOND HOME FOR FORTY YEARS.

Geez, how about doing your own research? Why is it that when presented with what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING, folks who DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING are demanding proof.

Dude, do your own research. You find a DIFFERENT ANSWER, COME BACK AND POST IT HERE.

But you won't...

BrewTech
1st July 2010, 05:05 PM
He's actually right. The mexicans are not an indigenous people. They were conquerers that migrated to mexico. The locals hated them so much, that many of the outlying tribes helped the spaniards find the capital, as well as contributing gifts, food, and maps.


Source(s), please...


UH, the OP? You know, the guy WHO LIVED IN MEXICO AS A SECOND HOME FOR FORTY YEARS.

Geez, how about doing your own research? Why is it that when presented with what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING, folks who DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING are demanding proof.

Dude, do your own research. You find a DIFFERENT ANSWER, COME BACK AND POST IT HERE.

But you won't...


This is funny, as I was going to post how I really found your post of value this time around, in spite of the fact that I find you a jackass shill most of the time. Glad to see you didn't disappoint me.

Asking for more information on a fukking claim made on the internet is a perfectly legimate request, WALLEW...

I know if I make a statement without explanation on ANY internet board, I am obligated to provide addition info AS REQUESTED to back up my assertion.

SO QUIT FUKKIN YELLING AT ME!!!

It wasn't even your post I was asking about... it was NE's... unless he is your sock puppet, why don't you just STFU and mind your own business?

StackerKen
1st July 2010, 05:23 PM
+K Drumble

k-os
1st July 2010, 05:31 PM
He's actually right. The mexicans are not an indigenous people. They were conquerers that migrated to mexico. The locals hated them so much, that many of the outlying tribes helped the spaniards find the capital, as well as contributing gifts, food, and maps.


Source(s), please...


UH, the OP? You know, the guy WHO LIVED IN MEXICO AS A SECOND HOME FOR FORTY YEARS.

Geez, how about doing your own research? Why is it that when presented with what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING, folks who DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING are demanding proof.

Dude, do your own research. You find a DIFFERENT ANSWER, COME BACK AND POST IT HERE.

But you won't...


And the over-reaction of the day award goes to you. Relax, bro.

palani
1st July 2010, 06:14 PM
The mexicans are not an indigenous people. They were conquerers that migrated to mexico.

The same can be said of the British being Germanic (Saxon)

wildcard
1st July 2010, 06:16 PM
And the Celts?

MetalsMan
1st July 2010, 06:34 PM
Very interesting read.

How did 1,200 Spaniards defeat 10,000,000 million Aztecs???!!!

That's 8333 to 1! Boom-Sticks? Armor? Horses? That's amazing.

Inquiring minds want to know!

wildcard
1st July 2010, 06:36 PM
That's easy. Disease.

MetalsMan
1st July 2010, 06:41 PM
That's easy. Disease.



Now that's "thinking outside the box." Great idea. :o

What did they do, bring vials of Bubonic plague over from Spain?

Or did the Vaccinate the barbarian hoards like they do here in USA?

k-os
1st July 2010, 06:43 PM
Disease was a major part of it, but the Spaniards also had better armor and weapons.

wildcard
1st July 2010, 06:44 PM
Yep, and they didn't even realize their little microscopic germ warfare danger to the natives.

Now we know the danger of disease that immigrants bring and yet we bring them in by the boatload.

madfranks
1st July 2010, 07:17 PM
Yep, and they didn't even realize their little microscopic germ warfare danger to the natives.

Now we know the danger of disease that immigrants bring and yet we bring them in by the boatload.


+1. The diseases these third worlders are bringing in with them is a very under-reported and under-appreciated danger.

wildcard
1st July 2010, 07:19 PM
I guess they are hoping for a real pandemic so they can get everyone in the vaccination lines.

willie pete
1st July 2010, 07:33 PM
Very interesting read.

How did 1,200 Spaniards defeat 10,000,000 million Aztecs???!!!

That's 8333 to 1! Boom-Sticks? Armor? Horses? That's amazing.

Inquiring minds want to know!




I don't think they fought 'em all at once either, probably capture the chief and officers, then the rank and file would surrender

wildcard
1st July 2010, 07:35 PM
Well first they set up a central bank... ;D

wallew
1st July 2010, 08:07 PM
He's actually right. The mexicans are not an indigenous people. They were conquerers that migrated to mexico. The locals hated them so much, that many of the outlying tribes helped the spaniards find the capital, as well as contributing gifts, food, and maps.


Source(s), please...


UH, the OP? You know, the guy WHO LIVED IN MEXICO AS A SECOND HOME FOR FORTY YEARS.

Geez, how about doing your own research? Why is it that when presented with what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING, folks who DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING are demanding proof.

Dude, do your own research. You find a DIFFERENT ANSWER, COME BACK AND POST IT HERE.

But you won't...


This is funny, as I was going to post how I really found your post of value this time around, in spite of the fact that I find you a jackass shill most of the time. Glad to see you didn't disappoint me.

Asking for more information on a fukking claim made on the internet is a perfectly legimate request, WALLEW...

I know if I make a statement without explanation on ANY internet board, I am obligated to provide addition info AS REQUESTED to back up my assertion.

SO QUIT FUKKIN YELLING AT ME!!!

It wasn't even your post I was asking about... it was NE's... unless he is your sock puppet, why don't you just STFU and mind your own business?


Sorry,

kindly go purchase the book written by Wilson Beck, called, "Wakeup Call from Mexico".

or live in south texas for the majority of your life from the age of 1 to the age of 23. Finally wised up and moved to Denver to actually start my own life.

There, feel all warm and snuggly better now?

wildcard
1st July 2010, 08:10 PM
That's easy. Disease.



Now that's "thinking outside the box." Great idea. :o

What did they do, bring vials of Bubonic plague over from Spain?

Or did the Vaccinate the barbarian hoards like they do here in USA?


I just noticed you added a couple of questions. The natives had never been exposed to some of the diseases carried by the spaniards. Diseases that the spaniards had built up a natural immunity to. Diseases that ravaged through the natives.

*I doubt they knew why the natives were growing so ill, not like the diseased blankets we gave to the American native indians on purpose.

cedarchopper
1st July 2010, 09:05 PM
It was the Spaniards pigs that spread the diseases so rapidly...especially through the water garden city of Tenochtitlán (Mexico City).

wildcard
1st July 2010, 09:19 PM
All that heat, water and moisture must have been a great breeding ground for a contagion.

FunnyMoney
1st July 2010, 11:38 PM
So let me see if I have this correct. George Bush was from Texas. Matter of fact, Bush was gov. of Texas. The people of Texas elected him. Then after learning all about him during his term there, by a majority they voted for him to go to the white house. The states are controlled by the Feds. The Feds will decide who runs things.

If the Feds want a war with Mexico then they'll probably be one, either way, it doesn't matter, the whole issue is a distraction and a symptom again. As others already said, Texas isn't going to do anything and New York is the problem, not Mexico - just like the hot souce commercial used to explain before the PTB cut it.

wallew
2nd July 2010, 07:29 AM
FM,
Can't HELP what stupid people do.

Hell, I voted for Bush. YOU DO remember the OTHER CHOICES, right?

The 'sex crazed poodle'

And Mrs. Heinz

What I find interesting is what you are ATTEMPTING TO DO IS EQUATE THE BORDER PROBLEM WITH BUSH.

That's CR@P. ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR MORE THAN THIRTY YEARS.

Obama, BOTH Bush's, Clinton, Reagan, and it ALL started with mr 'I have sinned in my heart' Carter.

So ANYONE attempts to put this on ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER DOESN'T KNOW THE FACTS.

Besides, you are attempting to use the 'two wrongs make a right' type of statement.

Which IS a statement only someone who does NOT know their facts would make

chad
2nd July 2010, 07:31 AM
everybody forgets that reagan granted tons of them immunity and tat it was supposed to be "a one time deal."

wallew
2nd July 2010, 08:04 AM
To paraphrase a conservative congressman'


HE LIED

You know HOW a politician is LYING?

His lips are moving.

cedarchopper
2nd July 2010, 08:55 AM
everybody forgets that reagan granted tons of them immunity and tat it was supposed to be "a one time deal."


That would be "granted millions of illegals amnesty". That act under Reagan kicked the invasion into overdrive...the thinking was get a toehold in the US and in time it would work out like before.

The truth is Mexico is a much more pleasant place to live than the US, but the corruption and consequential economic devastation has driven the peasants off the land and out of small businesses. It used to be Mexico was a closed border country to imports and everything was made locally...little workshops everywhere. Those days are gone...now it is maquiladoras assembling export goods for multinational corporations...thanks to Nafta and WTO. Sam's warehouse and Walmart's provide the goods now in Mexico...Even in places like Oaxaca. You used to be able to bring in "personal goods" in you vehicle when entering Mexico and trade with the locals for goods they couldn't get...not anymore. I used to bring all kinds of tools with me and I could trade for antiques all day long.

wallew
2nd July 2010, 09:21 AM
CC,
Forty, fifty years ago, MAYBE.

I lived in South Texas from 1957 - 1976.

It HAS changed immensely.

But the MENTALITY of the mexican people has not. It is VERY SIMILAR to the arab mentality. Which is to cheat you and steal from you at every turn. THEY FIGURE YOU ARE DOING THE SAME, SO IT'S ALL EQUAL.

Except that's not how REAL HONEST Americans work. We are honest. We obey OUR laws. We don't steal from someone we are doing business with or work for.

StackerKen
2nd July 2010, 10:01 AM
Look what they found near the Texas and Mexico border

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Fact still remains this is just over the border and these are the elements coming over the border daily. It is getting closer to our home. I added this update because I want those that come to this site to know that if I find other facts I will display them.

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Where was our news media? Where was our president and congress? Why does the official move from Washington go against American private citizens and their guns, and not an all out war against the drug cartels using fully automatic military weapons, hand grenades, launchers and machine-guns? Why is the president pushing for an international gun law that will bring registration and finally gun control to we American citizens? Who is for free and lawful American citizens? Where are our statesmen? Where are our patriots and where are champions for the Constitution and freedom and safety of American citizens?

This is not a false cry of Wolf! Wolf! The wolf is already ravaging the sheepfold. Until now we are acting like sheep and are in great danger of losing the greatest treasure on earth: freedom and opportunity for us and our children and grandchildren. WAKE UP AMERICANS!

Look what they found near the Texan/Mexican border! This will open your eyes & make you think! What are they planning?

A PRIME example of why we MUST support our neighbors in Arizona, and bolster the Texan border. This was a http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/08/06/mexico.drug.cartels/index.html"] (http://"Zetas[/COLOR] camp (a Mexican cartel w/ Guatemalan ties) that was found near Higueras, Nuevo Laredo, Mexico. The “state” of Nuevo Laredo borders the Rio Grande, and this town is a little over 100 miles away from Laredo, TX. Please forgive the crude translations; my Mexican Spanish isn’t that great. -J.

Exactly where did you hear about it in OUR media? Thank God for the border patrol that this did not come over the border. There is one “graphic picture” but it tells the story.

Let’s quit trying to decide who is violating our federal laws “to make a better life”, and ENFORCE the laws across the board on EVERYONE violating them.

That way we won’t have to lament or wonder just how many of the illegal aliens legalized (synonymous with rewarded) under the latest attempt to legislate away the millions who have spit on our laws, are MS-13, Zetas, cartel members, and other scum that would be “legal”. There are many Hispanic men and women that I both love and respect that understand and support Arizona and any citizen’s desire to keep our country a safe place to live and raise our children and grandchildren. It’s not racist, and it’s not xenophobic. I hope we can ignore and recognize the majority of the naysayers for the photo-op, attention-loving clowns they are, and start coming together as AMERICANS that want what’s best for AMERICA !


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StackerKen
2nd July 2010, 10:02 AM
http://www.fusionfx.net/index.php/2010/06/30/look-what-they-found-near-the-texas-and-mexico-border/

wallew
2nd July 2010, 03:32 PM
SK,
You...
YOU'RE....

JUST A RACIST!

You didn't EVEN POST MOST of the pix...

Thx for posting those. Sadly we WILL start to see more and more of this. Until one day some white guy and six or eight of his friends decide they've had enough and the war with Mexico will start in ernest.

I kinda doubt it will stop until (ONCE AGAIN) mexicans are basically run out of their own country or will be made into ACTUAL slaves once again.

This is really sad news. Yet this is EXACTLY what our government WANTS.

illumin19
2nd July 2010, 05:31 PM
Sadly we WILL start to see more and more of this. Until one day some white guy and six or eight of his friends decide they've had enough and the war with Mexico will start in ernest.
I kinda doubt it will stop until (ONCE AGAIN) mexicans are basically run out of their own country or will be made into ACTUAL slaves once again.



Sounds like you've had enough already, are you saying you don't have 6 or 8 friends?

;)

FunnyMoney
2nd July 2010, 07:56 PM
the point wasn't that Bush is any different than Clinton or any other, the point was how easily the sheep voted for and continue to support the status quo leadership.

It is not a question of two wrongs make a right, it's that Texas, just like every other state gets it wrong every time. Until people start trying to move to local and regional control over their lives nothing changes and I really don't see Texans pulling out of the union.

wallew
4th July 2010, 03:23 PM
FM,
Actually it WAS the point.

People ARE ATTEMPTING to work within the framework of WHAT they legally can do.

So you are suggesting that because people didn't take up arms, but attempted to vote to FIX this problem, we are all SHEEP?


The facts (like how much ammo and how many firearms purchased every month for TWO YEARS) blow your theory to hell.

Because IF people were still asleep, firearms sales would NOT exceed 1 million PER MONTH for the past two years.

just sayin...

FunnyMoney
6th July 2010, 07:45 PM
The facts (like how much ammo and how many firearms purchased every month for TWO YEARS) blow your theory to hell.

Because IF people were still asleep, firearms sales would NOT exceed 1 million PER MONTH for the past two years.

just sayin...


Despite the stats and the fact that some people are waking up, the fact remains that most miss the mark and the ones that can escape the matrix and get beyond all the symptom issues are mostly powerless to change anything.

I don't see protests in the street ala the 'nam days. I don't see a mass migration of people looking to avoid the IRS or get off the grid. Employers are employing more lawyers to comply with more regulations is what I see. People having a hard time, but still taking it and going on with their lives fully tied to the matrix is what I see all around me. Maybe they have more guns, maybe even a third party will win some seats somewhere - all those angles have been covered.

Whatever the issues are with Mexico and Mexicans, it's a symptom issue. If it gets better or if it gets worse, those in charge remain in charge on both sides of the border. Anyone who is of significance that gets beyond the matrix will either be managed (controlled), bought out, or knocked off. Don't tell me you haven't noticed.