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Libertytree
4th July 2010, 05:39 AM
This used to be a day of celebration, to most it still is, for some misguided reason. I wish I had one of those black arm bands to wear today and when people asked me who died I could reply "America". By the end of the day I'm sure I'll be sick of seeing all the red, white and blue t-shirts with catchy slogans and graphics about protecting us from the scary moozlims, land of the free, God bless the USA etc etc BS.

Nope, not for me. Instead it's a sad day to see how far we've fallen and then tonight I can look up in the sky and think to myself about all that powder gone to waste.

The Great Ag
4th July 2010, 06:24 AM
Hey, Liberty Tree:
That is one way of looking at the day, for sure.

Instead, perhaps mark this day as YOUR day of Independence. Think about the legal entanglements that have trapped you and what you can do to regain your FREEDOM!

From Black's Law Dictionary 3rd ed:

Freedom: The state of being free; liberty; self-determination; absence of restraint; the opposite of slavery.

Free: Not subject to legal constraint of another. Not subject to the dominion of another.

Libertas Inestimabillis res est Liberty is an inestimable thing; a thing above price.

Libertas omnibus rebus favorabillior est. Liberty is more favored than all things

The following is copied from The Red Amendment 2007 edition by LB Bork

In further regard to property, it has been established herein that you are considered a slave With respect to this issue, below are the multiple person statuses in the Roman Civil Law

The state of natural person are:

Libertatis - One is either a Freeman or a slave.
Civitatis - A Citizen or an Alien
[list] Familiai - Family of Paterfamilias or Filiusfamilias

We find that a state citizen is considered to be a natural person. This status - under the law of persons - is someone that is under the directive of private law. As this is consdiered a general rule, it will be applied to you. Additionally you are deemed a slave under the operations of law that have been established by the 14th and 13th Amendments. Remember, it was established that the criminal activity induced by by Section2 of the 14th Amendment brands you a slave as to operations of law of the 13th Amendment. Because you have not taken the measures to defeat this operation of law - legal fiction, it prevails: you are a slave - or at least put into servitude - under such principles. Sorry about that, this is the Legal reality.

As we can see, fictions of law created by operations of law are very dangerous. Section 11.3.2.1 or Page 172.

Instead of watching what has become of the people, look at yourself and declare your own independence.

Begin to research what is necessary to become FREE, to retain LIBERTY

Liberty: Freedom; exemption from extraneous control

LIBERTY is what this day is about. Shucking off the bonds of servitude and making a stance for your rights.

He who asserts his rights, maintains them.

HAPPY 4TH OF JULY EVERYONE

The Great Ag

Saul Mine
4th July 2010, 06:45 AM
Yeah. Even the traditional manner of celebrating the day is a felony.

EE_
4th July 2010, 07:48 AM
http://www.saintsabina.org/images/stories/preventingviolence/flag-05102099.jpg

iOWNme
4th July 2010, 07:53 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Us_declaration_independence.jpg/505px-Us_declaration_independence.jpg

Libertytree
4th July 2010, 07:55 AM
If they'd only have flown that flag at half mast.

These words by Jefferson come to mind.

"We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debt, as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our calling and our creeds...we [will] have no time to think, no means of calling our miss-managers to account but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers. And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes
a precedent ...till the bulk of society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery.
And the fore-horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness
and oppression."

-- Thomas Jefferson, 1791

gunDriller
4th July 2010, 12:13 PM
http://www.saintsabina.org/images/stories/preventingviolence/flag-05102099.jpg


i agree, it seems like a huge farce.

so much lip service will be paid to ideals that are noble but not practiced.

Skirnir
4th July 2010, 01:04 PM
I was not so fond of the country anyway; I would not even sit the for the pledge once I learned what it meant in 8th grade. I recall the conversation with the teacher went like this:

"What does 'allegiance' mean?"
"It means you are loyal." (others like to use the generic 'you', I frown upon it)
"Why would I be loyal to a flag?"
"It represents the country"
"I am loyal to myself, not a country."
...and it went downhill from there.

Quantum
4th July 2010, 05:53 PM
I was in Walgreens this morning. Most stores used to be shut on the Fourth. Not any more.

At the checkout, I saw a display of "patriotic earrings." They looked like shit, colors wrong, generally low-quality kitsch...junk regardless of country of origin. I do not need to explain where they are made. Another display had red-white-blue hair bands. Again, country of origin is obvious. And then another display of US flag window hangers. Not made in USA, either.

I told the cashier that it was insane that all this "patriotic" material is made in China. She wholeheartedly agreed, and told me that she saw the markups on such products when she worked at Wal-Mart...1000% plus.

Quantum
4th July 2010, 05:54 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Us_declaration_independence.jpg/505px-Us_declaration_independence.jpg


Why are you posting a terrorist document?

StackerKen
4th July 2010, 06:06 PM
I look at it as the birthday of the United States.

Even if she is dead now...We can still celebrate her birth cant we?

BrewTech
4th July 2010, 06:18 PM
I look at it as the birthday of the United States.

Even if she is dead now...We can still celebrate her birth cant we?


I just wish I'd known her while she was still alive...

I've heard good things...

gunDriller
4th July 2010, 06:28 PM
Well, as of July 1 the US government has a new witch-hunt to raise cash for themselves, which involves the US Treasury and the IRS.

They have a Foreign Bank Account Law which only about 20% of Americans with foreign bank accounts follow.

The guideline for 2010 is, the filing deadline for declaring a foreign bank account for 2009 is June 30, 2010.

The problem is, the US Treasury claims the right to impose $500,000 fines on people who have acted lawfully and paid the tax on the interest income.

So that thing you may have heard about, where they go after records of UBS customers, is the tip of the iceberg. The low-hanging fruit, people with fat bank accounts who may not have declared the interest income on their US tax returns. That doesn't bother me.

But for the US Treasury to claim the right to fine someone $500,000 in the case where they have paid the tax on the interest ... that takes the US government very far into jack-booted thug territory.

Anyway, the US now has capital controls for all foreign bank accounts, with enforcement starting July 1, 2010.

I think overall what they are doing is trying to make it as much of a pain in the ass as possible for Americans to exercise their legal right to move money out of the country.

And that is where our country sits this 4th of July, 2010.

It's hard to celebrate the 234th year of a country which I think died a few years ago, as far as the government goes.

But I am grateful for all the people like here and at the original GIM that are creating a banking system outside of the central bankers and the US Treasury, by way of gold and silver ownership. Which I think is more in-line with what the Founders had in mind.


Of course the government is putting their hand in that pot too, by way of the Obamacare 1099 $600 tax law that kicks in in 2012.

dysgenic
4th July 2010, 06:44 PM
You know, guys, I hate to say this but the more information I uncover the more I believe that USA was NEVER what it purported to be. Take a look at the founding fathers, most of them were masons. They wrote the constitution on pretense and they had a plan... the land was mostly unoccupied and needed to be exploited- the people that were chosen to exploit the land were thrown a temporary bone in order to entice them to exploit it. Freedom was given/granted to the goyim by the rulers in a calculating and limited way, much of it the consequence of low population density and not benevolence and/or system/republic/BOR/constitution.
Yup, this has been a farce from day 1, and it's gotten progressively worse from there.

dys

StackerKen
4th July 2010, 07:01 PM
You know, guys, I hate to say this but the more information I uncover the more I believe that USA was NEVER what it purported to be. Take a look at the founding fathers, most of them were masons. They wrote the constitution on pretense and they had a plan... the land was mostly unoccupied and needed to be exploited- the people that were chosen to exploit the land were thrown a temporary bone in order to entice them to exploit it. Freedom was given/granted to the goyim by the rulers in a calculating and limited way, much of it the consequence of low population density and not benevolence and/or system/republic/BOR/constitution.
Yup, this has been a farce from day 1, and it's gotten progressively worse from there.

dys


Dys; I too am troubled by the fact that many of the founding fathers were masons

Could it be that the Free Masons were different back then?

dysgenic
4th July 2010, 07:06 PM
I don't believe that either unfortunately, Ken. This was planned a very long time ago by the occultists. I didn't want to believe it, either.... but I'm 99% sure this is the truth.

dys







You know, guys, I hate to say this but the more information I uncover the more I believe that USA was NEVER what it purported to be. Take a look at the founding fathers, most of them were masons. They wrote the constitution on pretense and they had a plan... the land was mostly unoccupied and needed to be exploited- the people that were chosen to exploit the land were thrown a temporary bone in order to entice them to exploit it. Freedom was given/granted to the goyim by the rulers in a calculating and limited way, much of it the consequence of low population density and not benevolence and/or system/republic/BOR/constitution.
Yup, this has been a farce from day 1, and it's gotten progressively worse from there.

dys


Dys; I too am troubled by the fact that many of the founding fathers were masons

Could it be that the Free Masons were different back then?

EE_
4th July 2010, 07:11 PM
So you guys are thinking the early Freemasons were homosexual occultist like todays Masons?

StackerKen
4th July 2010, 07:11 PM
This was planned a very long time ago by the occultists.

Yeah Well...

We Both know Who's Plan will Ultimately be fullfilled...So...


No worries! :)

dysgenic
4th July 2010, 07:18 PM
Well yes, but the FF weren't 'early Freemasons', the masons started hundreds of years before America did.




So you guys are thinking the early Freemasons were homosexual occultist like todays Masons?

Liquid
4th July 2010, 08:11 PM
Amen, guys...amen.

Saul Mine
4th July 2010, 08:30 PM
You know, guys, I hate to say this but the more information I uncover the more I believe that USA was NEVER what it purported to be. Take a look at the founding fathers, most of them were masons. They wrote the constitution on pretense and they had a plan... the land was mostly unoccupied and needed to be exploited- the people that were chosen to exploit the land were thrown a temporary bone in order to entice them to exploit it. Freedom was given/granted to the goyim by the rulers in a calculating and limited way, much of it the consequence of low population density and not benevolence and/or system/republic/BOR/constitution.
Yup, this has been a farce from day 1, and it's gotten progressively worse from there.

dys


True, there were plenty of squabbles between those who wanted freedom and those who wanted a big government. Most of the people assumed Washington was going to be king. Oddly, the constitution was a compromise between several competing factions that were determined not to let any of the other factions carry out their greedy plans! The bill of rights came about because the states felt the constitution did not adequately protect them from a federal take-over.

Shortly after the revolution the congress needed to raise some cash, so they enacted a tax. It was exactly the same sort of tax that sparked the revolution: a tax on whiskey only paid by some hillbillies in Virginia. Naturally the hillbillies refused to pay it, and the rest of the country cheerfully urged congress to send soldiers to collect the tax. That is what congress did. Google "whisky rebellion" for the story. BTW the descendants of those loyal citizens still remember that occasion as if it happened last week.

dysgenic
4th July 2010, 08:53 PM
Yup, the Whiskey Rebellion is one of the clues. There are many others. Google 'the Virginia Company.' Actually, the more I consider this the more I keep coming back to the repercussions of limited liability. There is no such thing as corporatism if there is no such thing as a corporation. This whole thing with person=corporation and sovereign vs. citiizen, etc... this 'imaginary' or corporate angle was simply a strategy put in place from day 1 designed to circumvent what they said were the rights of the people. And there are others, too... judicial immunity comes to mind, even presidential pardon. The system was designed simply to give the badguys a foothold into the door of abrogation of the people's rights, just enough to provide potential for expansion but not enough to draw significant attention.
Instead of 'incremental change', the potential for incremental change.

dys







You know, guys, I hate to say this but the more information I uncover the more I believe that USA was NEVER what it purported to be. Take a look at the founding fathers, most of them were masons. They wrote the constitution on pretense and they had a plan... the land was mostly unoccupied and needed to be exploited- the people that were chosen to exploit the land were thrown a temporary bone in order to entice them to exploit it. Freedom was given/granted to the goyim by the rulers in a calculating and limited way, much of it the consequence of low population density and not benevolence and/or system/republic/BOR/constitution.
Yup, this has been a farce from day 1, and it's gotten progressively worse from there.

dys


True, there were plenty of squabbles between those who wanted freedom and those who wanted a big government. Most of the people assumed Washington was going to be king. Oddly, the constitution was a compromise between several competing factions that were determined not to let any of the other factions carry out their greedy plans! The bill of rights came about because the states felt the constitution did not adequately protect them from a federal take-over.

Shortly after the revolution the congress needed to raise some cash, so they enacted a tax. It was exactly the same sort of tax that sparked the revolution: a tax on whiskey only paid by some hillbillies in Virginia. Naturally the hillbillies refused to pay it, and the rest of the country cheerfully urged congress to send soldiers to collect the tax. That is what congress did. Google "whisky rebellion" for the story. BTW the descendants of those loyal citizens still remember that occasion as if it happened last week.

muffin
4th July 2010, 10:05 PM
Hypertiger politics, in other words.

As soon as it was conceived it was doomed by design.

How will we make the next version bulletproof?

dysgenic
4th July 2010, 10:22 PM
I don't think there is going to be a next version. It was written, the nwo will temporarily prevail in the form of a one world government mark of the beast system until God destroys satan and his minions. I hate to say this, but I don't think there will be an interim oasis in the desert. The bad guys are too entrenched, they own too much, and they have too much influence.

dys




Hypertiger politics, in other words.

As soon as it was conceived it was doomed by design.

How will we make the next version bulletproof?

Quantum
5th July 2010, 12:27 AM
You know, guys, I hate to say this but the more information I uncover the more I believe that USA was NEVER what it purported to be. Take a look at the founding fathers, most of them were masons. They wrote the constitution on pretense and they had a plan... the land was mostly unoccupied and needed to be exploited- the people that were chosen to exploit the land were thrown a temporary bone in order to entice them to exploit it. Freedom was given/granted to the goyim by the rulers in a calculating and limited way, much of it the consequence of low population density and not benevolence and/or system/republic/BOR/constitution.
Yup, this has been a farce from day 1, and it's gotten progressively worse from there.

dys


Unfortunately, you are correct. America was established as "the New Atlantis," the Freemasonic name for Mystery Babylon.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5498106693746597344#

Quantum
5th July 2010, 12:29 AM
So you guys are thinking the early Freemasons were homosexual occultist like todays Masons?


The "ancient and accepted rite" was, is, and will remain Babylonian Satanism. Freemasonry is Judaism for Gentiles. It was bad back then, as it is now.