The "forever" oil leak...................by me.

[Ponce]

Last night while falling asleep I had a dream.......my private dream world........and in it I was looking at this big ball going around and around which lead me to the following.......

The so called "oil leak" will NEVER stop on its own and more if it is tie to the large oil field that was just found of the coast of Cuba........ the oil well went down so deep that it went right into the crust of the Earth so that is more than just the "pressure" of the "well" itself sending the oil up but also THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH.....placed a gallon of water in a bucket with a rope on the handle and you will be able to swing it around by your side in a circle without spilling a drop of water, that's because the centrifugal force of the ark will push the water against the buttom of the bucket.....well, the Earth rotation is pushing the oil to the crust of the Earth hence to the surface.

About balance.......they say that when the pressure from the well is lower that then the water will go into the hole and do this and that.....balance means just that BALANCE where the upper pressure in the well is the same as the downward pressure of the ocean so that nothing will happen.........but of course this is only a fantasy because of what I first wrote.

Using a nuke will no longer work because of the cracks on the ocean floor that are appearing everywhere and all that it will do is to create a cave in............do I need to say more?

About digging two parallel holes to relieve the pressure........all that it will do is to created a way for the "forever oil" to come out three ways faster.

I write in simple terms because that's the only way that I can do it but at the same time I skipp the bull and go to the heart of the matter, some of you can improved on this with technical terms if you like to.

[SLV^GLD]

The problem with your swinging bucket analogy is does not account for the water that remains on the bottom of the bucket (the oceans) despite being swung around. You know, gravity. If the Earth fit your swinging bucket model then all the oceans would have blown off and then only when the hole was made would the oil begin to come out.

Not trying to bust your model for fun but it is ignoring some serious aspects of physics at play and jumping to the conclusion that earth rotation is providing the pressure and since the earth will not stop rotating then the pressure will not decrease.

[Large Sarge]

I agree with parts of this ponce

I think the relief wells are not likely to work

I think a nuke might work, depending on the geology, depth of the breaks, etc

like if you have a layer of so many thousand feet that the oil cannot penetrate, and the fracturing and such is above that.

well if you put the nuke in that oil resistant layer in theory it should work

it might collapse it, they need to look at those "mud logs" to see what they were drilling into

[Ponce]

well, I just drilled a small hole in the bottom of one of my buckets, put some water in it, attache a piece of rope and swung it around........from the open end no water came out but from the drilled hole water was coming out........maybe I am missing something, but you know me......right even if I am wrong hahahahahahahahah.

[SLV^GLD]

You're missing the part where you did not have water on the outside of the bucket that managed to stay on the bucket when you started swinging it. That would represent the oceans that somehow, mysteriously, are not coming off the earth despite its rotation.

The big mystery is called gravity.

Try another experiment. Fill a balloon with sand and oil. Drop this balloon into a bucket of water. Now, take a long, pointy object and pass it through the water down to the bottom of the bucket where the balloon lays and then pierce the balloon. Prepare to be amazed as the oil erupts from the balloon and begins to traverse the water column and pools on the surface of the water. Do you think this is a result of differences in density and pressure or more related to earth's rotation?

[Ponce]

Thanks, I'll have to think about it some more.......but to me is yin-yan from the inside it pushes out but if you are in the outside it then pushed down........must of what I do I do it by thinking about it, man oh man, you are going to make my poor little brain fry...................but even that is better than the 99.8% of the people who don't think at all.

[MNeagle]

Isn't salt water/ocean denser than fresh water? That would have a bearing on it.

[SLV^GLD]

Isn't salt water/ocean denser than fresh water? That would have a bearing on it.
Yes it is. And oil is less dense than even freshwater, hence oil floats on both seawater and freshwater.

[Libertytree]

Isn't salt water/ocean denser than fresh water? That would have a bearing on it.
Yes it is. And oil is less dense than even freshwater, hence oil floats on both seawater and freshwater.


Unless Corexit is applied.

Ponce, you have a lot of things pegged correctly but on this note your dream is just that, a dream.

[SLV^GLD]

Unless Corexit is applied.
Indeed!

[Ponce]

Well Liberty, I was outside on my hammock thinking about it and I feel that we must be TWO KINDS OF "GRAVITY"......the one that we talk about and the one that is there and yet not many know about it, Herr Hitler and Germany knew about this one and that's how they were able to lift tons and tons of weight in their UFOs.

And something else, what if we are wrong? what if what we think is "pulling" us down is actually "pushing" us down?.......is like in the ocean where the closer to the bottom the greater the pressure and as you go to the surface the less the pressure there is, just because some coat and tie says that it is it does not mean that it is.......maybe Newton is right but for the wrong reasons.

[Libertytree]

Ponce, what you just said stands on its own and contradicts hundreds of years of knowledge. Maybe you're the old fart wonder brain of the group but where I come from this dog don't hunt, sorry. Now if we get back to the physics of TP hoarding I'm totally on board ;D

[SLV^GLD]

Yeah, Ponce, please stop trying to come up with new laws of physics. I can see where you're coming from, really. Like if you keep going up all of sudden you become "weightless" so the air must be pushing you down right?. Thing is, Earth is a gravity well, along with all other bodies in space. The denser objects will be pulled through the less dense material to collect closer to the gravity well. This is why your ass will fall through the air till you smack the ground. And the air, itself is a finite resource that ends a couple miles up and it is being held on top of the water and the Earth by Earth's well. Go out far enough and the effects of other gravity wells begin to act on you and you will escape Earth's well to some extent. Orbit is the state of circling the well in stasis with other wells. Earth's well is still keeping you in orbit and not floating off to the next closest, larger well. The moon is a prime example of two gravitational bodies in stasis... it's a matter of a long time before we lose the moon because it continues to get somewhat further away from of us each year.

And that was an extremely simplified version of a very large body of work that continues to fail to disprove itself over centuries.

Good science seeks to disprove, you know.

You have an alternative hypothesis, set about trying to disprove your hypothesis by experimentation. I bet you are very successful at disproving this one.

[Ponce]

At one time the Earth was flat, you could not fly, you could not travel at speed of 60 MPH or you would burn up, I think as I do because to me everything goes in a circle and always changing and what happens today in one way could happen tomorrow in another way.......... the same way that every year planes, cars and so on are made better...................anything has only one answer till another answer is found........and that's what makes us humans and makes Ponce what he is.........OH God!.... besides, would you have me any other way? hahahahahahahah.

[vacuum]

I don't think the earth's rotational acceleration alone is causing the oil to leak out...it probably doesn't have a very large effect at all. I actually don't quite understand why it comes out with such tremendous pressure...perhaps is it because the stone that is above the reservoir is much denser than the oil. In this case the pressure of the ocean has no effect since it is pushing equally on both the stone and the oil.

My big concern, which might make this "forever well" theory and the doomsday story you posted the other day (http://www.helium.com/items/1882339-doomsday-how-bp-gulf-disaster-may-have-triggered-a-world-killing-event) seem plausible is the finger-in-the-dike phenomena. That is, solid denser material can be used to hold back fluid, however, just one tiny hole is all it takes to cause an entire levy or dam to fail. This one puncture could potentially erode a channel which would cause all earth above the oil to displace all the oil.

You may ask, if its that easy, why didn't it happen long ago? Well think about it, there is never a single puncture that passes through thousands of feet of rock. There may be cracks here and there, but as soon as oil begins to flow through those cracks, it brings silt, etc, and seals it back up again. The oil doesn't flow super fast because each crack may only be a hundred feet or so, and there is no outlet for the oil to flow to, so it backs up and flows much slower.

Kind of like how you can seal a levy or pond....put a bunch of clay in the water and stir it up until the fine particles create a waterproof seal. However, it won't congeal like blood and stop a finger sized hole all the way through. A finger sized hole that extends halfway through a leavy, for example, could seal itself since the water that seeps through brings silt which will eventually seal the hole if the flow is small enough.

So I don't necessarily buy the theory of "if it hasn't happened yet, its not going to happen". Perhaps an earthquake could cause it, I don't know enough about geology to state yes or no. I don't think a volcano would necessarily let oil vent like this because the magma would burn the oil.