Fears grow as millions lose U.S. jobless benefits

[Phoenix]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fears-grow-as-millions-lose-rb-1408637055.html?x=0

Fears grow as millions lose U.S. jobless benefits

On Wednesday July 14, 2010, 1:35 am EDT

By Nick Carey

CINCINNATI (Reuters) - Deborah Coleman lost her unemployment benefits in April, and now fears for millions of others if the Senate does not extend aid for the jobless.

"It's too late for me now," she said, fighting back tears at the Freestore Foodbank in the low-income Over-the-Rhine district near downtown Cincinnati. "But it will be terrible for the people who'll lose their benefits if Congress does nothing."

For nearly two years, Coleman says she has filed an average of 30 job applications a day, but remains jobless.

"People keep telling me there are jobs out there, but I haven't been able to find them."

Coleman, 58, a former manager at a telecommunications firm, said the only jobs she found were over the Ohio state line in Kentucky, but she cannot reach them because her car has been repossessed and there is no bus service to those areas.

After her $300 a week benefits ran out, Freestore Foodbank brokered emergency 90-day support in June for rent. Once that runs out, her future is uncertain.

"I've lost everything and I don't know what will happen to me," she said.

The recession -- the worst U.S. downturn since the 1930s -- has left some 8 million people like Coleman out of work.

Unemployment has remained stubbornly high at around 9.5 percent. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, in June 6.8 million people or 45.5 percent of the total are long-term unemployed, or jobless for 27 weeks or more.

Before the recession began in late 2007, the unemployed received benefits, usually a few hundred dollars a week, for 26 weeks or around six months after losing their jobs.

Under the federal/state programs, which are administered by state governments and partly funded by taxes on business, only full-time workers are eligible for benefits. Within federal guidelines, benefits and eligibility vary from state to state.

As the downturn left more Americans out of work for longer periods, Congress voted to provide funding to extend benefits to as long as 99 weeks in some areas.

Some critics say this adds to the country's large fiscal deficit, and may even discourage job-seeking.

FOOD BANKS FEAR STRAIN

An attempt to pass another extension has become bogged down in partisan political bickering in the Senate. Relief agencies fear that failure to extend benefits will strain their resources and may worsen the U.S. housing crisis.

"This will put a great deal of stress and strain on our organization, which has already been working hard," said Vicki Escarra, chief executive of Feeding America, which has a network of more than 200 food banks. In the year ended June 30, Feeding America distributed 3 billion pounds (1.36 billion kg) of food, a 50 percent increase over the past two years.

The benefits debate has pitted the majority of Democrats against most Republicans and some conservative Democrats.

When the House of Representatives passed a $34 billion benefit extension on July 1, 11 fiscally conservative Democrats voted against it. The Senate may take up the issue again in mid-July, but Republicans like Senator Tom Coburn have argued any extension must be paid for with cuts elsewhere.

"Even then he (Coburn) is not sure if that's a good idea," said John Hart, a spokesman for the Oklahoma senator. "The longer the unemployed have benefits, the less incentive there is to find a job."

Most economists argue that cutting benefits could slow recovery, describing benefits as direct economic stimulus because almost every penny of it gets spent. In a June 28 client note, Goldman Sachs said if all additional U.S. stimulus spending expires, it could slow the economy up to 1.5 percentage points from the fourth quarter 2010 to the second quarter of 2011.

The note added that extending unemployment benefits and a $400 tax credit would "substantially mitigate" that impact.

3 MILLION CUT OFF IN TWO MONTHS

During the Senate impasse, from the week ended June 5 to the week ended July 10, more than 2.1 million Americans lost their benefits. Another million will join them by July 31.

In Ohio alone, where unemployment stood at 10.7 percent in May, more than 83,000 people lost their benefits in June.

Sister Barbara Busch, executive director of non-profit housing group Working in Neighborhoods in Cincinnati, 65 percent of the people who come seeking help with their mortgages are unemployed or underemployed.

"I fear once the benefits run out, I suspect we'll see a new wave of foreclosures," she said. "I just hope I'm wrong."

Ohio is a bellwether U.S. state in elections. The state's Democratic attorney general Richard Cordray said blocking extending jobless benefits was politically motivated ahead of the midterm elections in November.

"If people lose their benefits they will blame the congressional majority and the administration," he said. "As unappetizing as it is, that would appear to be the strategy."

Senator Coburn's spokesman Hart said suggestions the Republicans were playing partisan politics were "ludicrous."

"The Democrats say that because they want to avoid making the hard decisions," he said.

Alonzo Allen, 55, a former aid agency worker in Cincinnati whose benefits will run out in September, spends two days a week volunteering at the food bank in Over-the-Rhine and the other three looking for work. He said he worries about the one-bedroom apartment he rents and how he will feed his dog Ginger, who is the "only family I have."

"If the benefits stop, I'll be out on the street and I'll lose all my furniture," he said. "That's going to be tough."

(Editing by Eric Walsh)

[EE_]

They'll all be fine once they move into their new accomodations.
Very low rent and free air conditioning!

http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/2008/03/eviction_003.jpgmid.jpg

[zap]

The Mexicans around here are on tv telling the white folk come on out to the fields and do our job, Boy those illegals would be pissed if a bunch of the out of work folks started doing that.
If I couldn't find work I'd be out there in the field with them, go out and take those Mexicans' jobs , Why don't they? Probably make $ 10.00 an hour, better then nothing. Never be ashamed of working.

[FunnyMoney]

The Mexicans around here are on tv telling the white folk come on out to the fields and do our job, Boy those illegals would be pissed if a bunch of the out of work folks started doing that.
If I couldn't find work I'd be out there in the field with them, go out and take those Mexicans' jobs , Why don't they? Probably make $ 10.00 an hour, better then nothing. Never be ashamed of working.


Keep a good story going. The federal min wage is half that, part time farm work is even less. Soon you can look for the promise of a job works program for a prime spot in a soup line at day's end.

TPTB don't have that problem, no work required for them. They have you and me and everyone else working for practically nothing so they can live off what gets soaked up by their sponges. But yeah, all right, got it, thanks, I'll try to remember that - "never be ashamed of working".

[EE_]

The Mexicans around here are on tv telling the white folk come on out to the fields and do our job, Boy those illegals would be pissed if a bunch of the out of work folks started doing that.
If I couldn't find work I'd be out there in the field with them, go out and take those Mexicans' jobs , Why don't they? Probably make $ 10.00 an hour, better then nothing. Never be ashamed of working being a slave.


Keep a good story going. The federal min wage is half that, part time farm work is even less. Soon you can look for the promise of a job works program for a prime spot in a soup line at day's end.

TPTB don't have that problem, no work required for them. They have you and me and everyone else working for practically nothing so they can live off what gets soaked up by their sponges. But yeah, all right, got it, thanks, I'll try to remember that - "never be ashamed of working being a slave".

[zap]

Funny Money
Bull, I don't care what the federal minimum wage is, I talk to Mexicans just about everyday, and the tractor drivers are making 12 to 15, farm workers are getting at least minimum 8 something here in Ca. 10 if they have been with the co more then 2 years.

I'll talk to my farmer BIL tomorrow and see what he pays his Mexicans and will report back.


(Never be ashamed of working being a slave".)

So instead of working just wait for the government to issue you a check? Or stand in line and get free food?

[FunnyMoney]

Funny Money
Bull, I don't care what the federal minimum wage is, I talk to Mexicans just about everyday, and the tractor drivers are making 12 to 15, farm workers are getting at least minimum 8 something here in Ca. 10 if they have been with the co more then 2 years.

I'll talk to my farmer BIL tomorrow and see what he pays his Mexicans and will report back.





Zap,

You can report back all you want. It doesn't matter if they're making 12, 15 or even 20. Not sure if you realize the amount of money a trillion dollars is or what kind of negative impact counter-productive agendas like wars and federal regulations have on a society, but allow me to explain that today's dollar is worth about 2 cents compared to the day it was introduced by the private controllers of our money in 1913. Contrary to popular belief the other 98 cents per every dollar did not simply vanish, it actually went to somewhere, or rather to some people.

At 20 per hour or whatever rate you find, I can assure you no significant portion of those stolen funds went to the workers, illegal or not. You economic theory and focus on the symptoms are a distraction to the truth.

The real problem is one of theft, wasted and mis-directed productivity, absolute power and of course, absolute corruption. TPTB want nothing more than for you to think the cancer is of your own doing or because of some select group of workers or symptom issues. All the while, they are in charge of the wars, the industries, the crime syndicates, the chaos and ... the money. All the money is fiat and it is all theirs. When those throwing out the crumbs decide to throw out fewer of them, the scramble over what's left becomes the main topic, doesn't it?

[Ponce]

A friend of Agnut and mine just got a job and with a good chance of going up the ladder very fast......out of so many applicants he was the only one called back for a second time and got the job.

I am retired and don't need money.........but.........one of my plans behind a plan is the engine lathe that I bought last year for "just in case"........still have all my measuring tools and so on from twenty years ago.

[Horn]

How do these people get from the burbs out to the farm if their car's been repossessed?

Community.

Big Gov. has by no means what it takes.

The people and their community will be what saves themselves.

[goldmonkey]

http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/2008/03/eviction_003.jpgmid.jpg

Great place to recruit dispossessed whites and educate them about the jew.

[jetgraphics]

...but allow me to explain that today's dollar is worth about 2 cents compared to the day it was introduced by the private controllers of our money in 1913...

Based on the wholesale price index for 1914, current FRNs are less than $0.01.
Based on the actual bullion in America versus the Gross Domestic Product, an equitable exchange ratio would be 4400:1 (4400 FRNs to 1 silver dollar, or 88,000 FRNS for a one ounce gold coin $20 US).

A 100,000 FRN home would cost $22 (US).
This is not as far fetched as one might think. {Remember the house prices in "Monopoly"?}
Based on the worldwide stock of gold bullion (5.5 billion ounces), there's less than one ounce per capita (6.9 billion people). At $20 per ounce, each individual's share is roughly $16.00. So if a house price is roughly 1.5 man years of work, it's pretty close.
(If we only count Fort Knox, it's worse - less than 1/2 ounce - about $9 per capita)
Silver is not stockpiled as gold bullion is, and based on yearly production in America, it's about $11 - $18 per capita.

This is not to be construed as advocacy for a return to "hard money" but an illustration of the problem associated with a precious metal money token system plagued by usury.

Those in contract with usurers, are at risk of losing their collateral, when they default. And the risk of defaulting is rising, as speculation and money madness have supplanted the normal means for prosperity... the creation, trade and transportation of surplus usable goods and services.

[madfranks]

...but allow me to explain that today's dollar is worth about 2 cents compared to the day it was introduced by the private controllers of our money in 1913...

Based on the wholesale price index for 1914, current FRNs are less than $0.01.
Based on the actual bullion in America versus the Gross Domestic Product, an equitable exchange ratio would be 4400:1 (4400 FRNs to 1 silver dollar, or 88,000 FRNS for a one ounce gold coin $20 US).

A 100,000 FRN home would cost $22 (US).
This is not as far fetched as one might think. {Remember the house prices in "Monopoly"?}
Based on the worldwide stock of gold bullion (5.5 billion ounces), there's less than one ounce per capita (6.9 billion people). At $20 per ounce, each individual's share is roughly $16.00. So if a house price is roughly 1.5 man years of work, it's pretty close.
(If we only count Fort Knox, it's worse - less than 1/2 ounce - about $9 per capita)
Silver is not stockpiled as gold bullion is, and based on yearly production in America, it's about $11 - $18 per capita.

This is not to be construed as advocacy for a return to "hard money" but an illustration of the problem associated with a precious metal money token system plagued by usury.

Those in contract with usurers, are at risk of losing their collateral, when they default. And the risk of defaulting is rising, as speculation and money madness have supplanted the normal means for prosperity... the creation, trade and transportation of surplus usable goods and services.


Very good post.

[Twisted Titan]

Funny Money
Bull, I don't care what the federal minimum wage is, I talk to Mexicans just about everyday, and the tractor drivers are making 12 to 15, farm workers are getting at least minimum 8 something here in Ca. 10 if they have been with the co more then 2 years.

I'll talk to my farmer BIL tomorrow and see what he pays his Mexicans and will report back.





Zap,

You can report back all you want. It doesn't matter if they're making 12, 15 or even 20. Not sure if you realize the amount of money a trillion dollars is or what kind of negative impact counter-productive agendas like wars and federal regulations have on a society, but allow me to explain that today's dollar is worth about 2 cents compared to the day it was introduced by the private controllers of our money in 1913. Contrary to popular belief the other 98 cents per every dollar did not simply vanish, it actually went to somewhere, or rather to some people.

At 20 per hour or whatever rate you find, I can assure you no significant portion of those stolen funds went to the workers, illegal or not. You economic theory and focus on the symptoms are a distraction to the truth.

The real problem is one of theft, wasted and mis-directed productivity, absolute power and of course, absolute corruption. TPTB want nothing more than for you to think the cancer is of your own doing or because of some select group of workers or symptom issues. All the while, they are in charge of the wars, the industries, the crime syndicates, the chaos and ... the money. All the money is fiat and it is all theirs. When those throwing out the crumbs decide to throw out fewer of them, the scramble over what's left becomes the main topic, doesn't it?



Quoted for Truth ........

[zap]

Ok All I am saying is some of these folks could get a job doing something other then what they are trained to do, I have talked to alot of people who act like they are to good to work for 10 or 20 an hour, So they will collect their unemployment which is fine , but when that runs out they are expecting the government to save them.

[7th trump]

Ok All I am saying is some of these folks could get a job doing something other then what they are trained to do, I have talked to alot of people who act like they are to good to work for 10 or 20 an hour, So they will collect their unemployment which is fine , but when that runs out they are expecting the government to save them.

Heck yea ....why not let the government save them.
After all isnt that what the governments aim is.
The government has tricked many into accepting the benefits of Social Security to get at their pocket book through federal income taxes without ever telling them that nobody has to take a number and remain private all under the guise that government is here to help you.
I say run the freaken benefits out as far as you can and take from the system that has bitten them as much as they can. Collapse this damn satanic system as soon as possible.
The sooner the kenites or out of power the sooner order will restore.

[Phoenix]

Ok All I am saying is some of these folks could get a job doing something other then what they are trained to do, I have talked to alot of people who act like they are to good to work for 10 or 20 an hour, So they will collect their unemployment which is fine , but when that runs out they are expecting the government to save them.


With all due respect, I'm suspecting that people who insist the majority of people receiving unemployment are "lazy" or "unmotivated" are very clueless about what's really going on out in the world.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Outofwork-job-applicants-told-cnnm-3498252371.html?x=0

"Out-of-work job applicants told unemployed need not apply"

Here in California, the Welfare State, the maximum unemployment benefit - which very few receive, unless they had very exorbitant salaries - is $475 per week, before taxes. That's $2058.00 per month! Most people receive about half that. NO ONE is getting rich off UI. $10 an hour at a job would be up to double what most receive.

[jetgraphics]

I have great empathy for people who cannot afford to take lower paying jobs. Inequitable trade has been damaging American commerce, thanks to socialism and usury.
A good example is to consider the wages of skilled employee - like a plumber - who might make $25 / hour.
How much would he have to pay to hire a plumber like himself for one hour?
$50, $75, $100 ?
{An employer is forced to recover his costs, his taxes, his overhead expenses, administrative costs, insurance, etc, etc.}
However you define it - it is a parasitic load that is killing America.
If the overhead expenses were stripped from American commerce, the situation would be far better.

[Ponce]

Specially the kids.........I hate kids but I do think about them.

[FunnyMoney]

If the overhead expenses were stripped from American commerce, the situation would be far better.


If the overhead expenses were stripped from the globe then standards of living and general prosperity increases would result.

Most people fall into 2 camps: they either don't want that to happen or don't understand that it would.

[Phoenix]

If the overhead expenses were stripped from American commerce, the situation would be far better.


If the overhead expenses were stripped from the globe then standards of living and general prosperity increases would result.

Most people fall into 2 camps: they either don't want that to happen or don't understand that it would.


Eliminate the unearned wealth ("profit") gained by the parasites of all societies, and we would have funds to do just about anything reasonable.

Banksters, lawyers, realtors, other Corporatist types; make them actually earn their wealth.

[dysgenic]

It really bothers me when people complain about people that try to avoid taking low paying jobs for themselves and/or their families. All it takes is a simple calculator to determine that taking a low paying job is a sure way to either:

1. get evicted for failure to pay rent or mortgage
2. get fired for not having enough money to pay for transportation to and from work
3. get a call and/or investigation from CPS for not having enough money for child care
4. get arrested for not having enough money to pay for car insurance

Just do the math. It can't be done, even for the frugal and responsible.

dys

[cedarchopper]

There is no painless solution...we've been had.

"When the Federal Reserve act was passed, the people of the United States did not perceive that... the United States were to be lowered to the position of a coolie country which has nothing but raw materials and heavy goods for export; that Russia [China, India...] was destined to supply the man power and that this country was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure."

Rep. Louis T. McFadden, June 10, 1932.

[mamboni]

There is no painless solution...we've been had.

"When the Federal Reserve act was passed, the people of the United States did not perceive that... the United States were to be lowered to the position of a coolie country which has nothing but raw materials and heavy goods for export; that Russia [China, India...] was destined to supply the man power and that this country was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure."

Rep. Louis T. McFadden, June 10, 1932.


Wow McFadden was a visionary to be sure! I think WWII set his timeline back about 60 years and guaranteed American dominace for that period. Now, it's harvest time in the USA and the bankers will have their proverbial pound of American flesh.

[cedarchopper]

There is no painless solution...we've been had.

"When the Federal Reserve act was passed, the people of the United States did not perceive that... the United States were to be lowered to the position of a coolie country which has nothing but raw materials and heavy goods for export; that Russia [China, India...] was destined to supply the man power and that this country was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure."

Rep. Louis T. McFadden, June 10, 1932.


Wow McFadden was a visionary to be sure! I think WWII set his timeline back about 60 years and guaranteed American dominace for that period. Now, it's harvest time in the USA and the bankers will have their proverbial pound of American flesh.


Another quote that shows he understood the endgame :

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York is eager to enter into close relationship with the Bank for International Settlements.... The conclusion is impossible to escape that the State and Treasury Departments are willing to pool the banking system of Europe and America, setting up a world financial power independent of and above the Government of the United States.... The United States under present conditions will be transformed from the most active of manufacturing nations into a consuming and importing nation with a balance of trade against it.

Louis McFadden

As a side note, he was killed by poisoning after attending a banquet in 1936...and testified in Congress that he had two attempts on his life during his time as Chairman.

[Horn]

How long before the rationing starts?

[Phoenix]

How long before the rationing starts?


Already. Lots of people have lost their UI, and it probably won't be restored.

[Horn]

How long before the rationing starts?


Already. Lots of people have lost their UI, and it probably won't be restored.


Food stamp application should soon be overwhelmed with the reaction.

Where do they cut next?

School lunches for kids with odd ending SS#s? to offset the expenses for teacher's cost of living increases.

[Ponce]

How long before the rationing starts?


Welcome to Cuba Horn, where the rationing has being going on for the past 40 years.........

The hunger in the US can only get worse and specially if the pass that law where you cannot grow a garden... rationing quotas in the US for ever.......obey or you don't eat.

[Horn]

How long before the rationing starts?


Welcome to Cuba Horn, where the rationing has being going on for the past 40 years.........

The hunger in the US can only get worse and specially if the pass that law where you cannot grow a garden... rationing quotas in the US for ever.......obey or you don't eat.


A secret garden watered with ones own tears... :'(

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

There is no painless solution...we've been had.

"When the Federal Reserve act was passed, the people of the United States did not perceive that... the United States were to be lowered to the position of a coolie country which has nothing but raw materials and heavy goods for export; that Russia [China, India...] was destined to supply the man power and that this country was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure."

Rep. Louis T. McFadden, June 10, 1932.


Very prophetic.

I thought coolies were asian though...

[FunnyMoney]

Those McFadden quotes were great, thank you for posting them, cedarchopper.



There is no painless solution...we've been had.




Defeat of a dream becomes a nightmare. The magic trick turns from a performance for you into the torture of you. This is the stage that comes at the edge of the matrix. Pain and resignation sit down together to play your hand - painless or painful solution would be something to deal with, but it is actually much worse. Plan A has never worked and plan B isn't even defined. This is the process which comes at the edge of the matrix.

Some bounce right off the wall and right back into the depths of matrix hell, they are either without the desire or strength to see behind the curtain. Most others become stuck to the misery of knowledge, glued to the edge they become addicted to the show and the details of the master matrix illusion. But if you try to ride the horror and anguish to its final conclusion, you can actually get somewhere. Remain fully outside the reach of the matrix brings a renewal of life's good things. With that comes the perseverence "to attain knowledge" and the desire "to provide knowledge". These are the 2 things that will be required of the people for any solution to ever work permanently, painful or not.