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Hatha Sunahara
15th July 2010, 10:27 AM
This is how Goldman Sachs does 'pump &dump'.

Hatha

http://www.mineweb.co.za/mineweb/view/mineweb/en/page31?oid=108021&sn=Detail&pid=31

Goldman Sachs pushes gold hedging, predicting falling gold price beyond 2011

Goldman Sachs has raised its medium term gold price forecast to $1,355, but reckons prices will fall from 2011 and recommends producers sell gold forward.
Author: Lawrence Williams
Posted: Thursday , 15 Jul 2010

LONDON -

Plus ça change. Goldman Sachs is suggesting that mining companies sell gold forward again. The logic behind this is that although the bank reckons the gold price will increase to $1,355 an ounce over the next 12 months - a tiny increase from its earlier prediction of $1,335 - beyond that it is looking for prices to stabilise and fall as the U.S. Fed tightens monetary policy and the recession is seen to be ending.

Of course the big gold banks, of which Goldman is probably the most successful, can do very well out of its clients hedging their gold forward whatever the fortunes of its clients in so doing. It was notably the bank which reputedly advised Ashanti Goldfields to sell its gold forward at gold's low point back at the end of the 1990s - a policy which brought the gold miner to its knees leading to its takeover by AngloGold - another Goldman client. Indeed commentators have suggested that Goldman made profits on every angle of the Ashanti hedging debacle, and on the sale of one of its clients to another.

Goldman would probably counter that its primary responsibility was to its shareholders - perhaps even more so than its clients - and that the sudden turn-around in the gold price which caused Ashanti's effective bankruptcy, was completely unforeseen, but the whole episode left a bitter taste that lingers to this day, particularly in Ghana where Ashanti was seen as the country's major gold player on the world scene.

However, the fact that Goldman is still looking for an increase in the gold price, even if only over the next 12 months, is positive for gold. The bank actually forecast a six-month gold price (effectively a year-end figure) gold price of $1,290 rising to the $1,355 figure over the following six months. With predictions being regularly updated (the latest figure is an update from Goldman's previous one of only three weeks earlier) the position may again change depending on how quickly the global economy is seen as recovering.

Goldman also delivered forecasts for base metals and silver, all of which ranged higher than previous ones apart from zinc where the bank was looking or an 18% fall.

Steal
15th July 2010, 11:41 AM
Thanks Hatha, interesting article. Seems very gold positive. Curious sentence in first paragraph....The logic behind this is that although the bank reckons the gold price will increase to $1,355 an ounce over the next 12 months - a tiny increase from its earlier prediction of $1,335 - beyond that it is looking for prices to stabilise and fall as the U.S. Fed tightens monetary policy and the recession is seen to be ending.

Now , what if the recession does not end?

ximmy
15th July 2010, 11:46 AM
Great info.. I''ll get me gold ready to turn back into dollars... :D

JohnQPublic
15th July 2010, 11:48 AM
Goldman Sachs says it's going down? Then that means buy, buy buy. Zerohedge has been following their "recommendations" and usually the opposite happens. They make a recommendation to their "customers" (i.e., victims), screw the hell out of them, and reap the profits.

cedarchopper
15th July 2010, 11:54 AM
Criminals always tell you something with an ulterior motive. The only thing holding up the Dollar is China buying Dollars with their savings...recycling. They are absorbing power while America sheds it...Goldman is long gold ;]

keehah
15th July 2010, 12:10 PM
Now , what if the recession does not end?


This is were the controlled TV media is useful.


the recession is seen to be ending

gunDriller
15th July 2010, 12:37 PM
Now , what if the recession does not end?


This is were the controlled TV media is useful.


the recession is seen to be ending


exactly !

Intel just had one of their best quarters EVAR. Hurrah Hurrah - ignore those 20 million unemployed Americans that we're not talking about.

there was an uptick on the downtick of monthly unemployment reporting, and now we go to the latest on Mel Gibson's affair with jailbird Lindsay Lohan ...


just practicing to be a TV reporter ! ;D

Trinity
15th July 2010, 05:29 PM
the sudden turn-around in the gold price which caused Ashanti's effective bankruptcy, was completely unforeseen,

So Goldman didn't for see the coming ten year bull market in Gold in 2000 and now they are making precise semi annual predictions. They have no shame. They do have balls though.

Hatha Sunahara
16th July 2010, 10:51 AM
Goldman Sachs says it's going down? Then that means buy, buy buy. Zerohedge has been following their "recommendations" and usually the opposite happens. They make a recommendation to their "customers" (i.e., victims), screw the hell out of them, and reap the profits.


That was my reaction to this article. Goldman is telling you the price is going down so you'll sell. Goldman is setting themselves up a 'cash for gold' operation. Here, take some of our paper for your gold. We'd all profit from doing the opposite of what Goldman Sachs wants us to do.


Hatha

Plastic
16th July 2010, 04:24 PM
One day (and probably only for one day) those SOB's are gonna tell the truth and really screw us up, I feel it in me bonez.

oldmansmith
16th July 2010, 05:18 PM
(sound of harps) And what did they reccommend when oil was approaching an all time high?

Goldman Sachs predicts $200 a barrel oil
Published: May 7, 2008 at 10:34 AM

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2008/05/07/Goldman-Sachs-predicts-200-a-barrel-oil/UPI-66191210170897/

How's that worked out for everyone who went long then?

f*ckers.


That company's statements are a perfect reverse barometer.

kregener
16th July 2010, 07:04 PM
Goldman Sachs says Gold Going Down in 2011.

Which means it will skyrocket.

Mouse
23rd July 2010, 01:56 AM
Goldman is run by SilverSammy :o