Our Generation Has Failed.

[Ponce]

Like I wrote before "We are living from the fruit tree of past generations and not from one or out own" ... Ponce
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Our Generation Has Failed.

15.07.2010 Source: Pravda.Ru

For those of us in positions of symbolic or actual control, those of us in our fifties and sixties, the truth dawns upon us that we have collectively failed to take advantage of what we inherited, namely a welfare system which provided public services, and that what we leave to our children is a shambles, a deteriorating downward spiral of abject misery for your average twenty-one-year-old with no job prospects, no chance of buying a house, no future and no life. We created the generation of 500 dollars.


I use the expression “500 dollars” trying to cover all continents, aware of the fact that while this would be regarded as a fortune in some developing countries, it is a pittance in the USA and the more developed EU countries, yet it is a growing reality everywhere as the house of cards of the monetarist capitalist market-based virtual economic Paradise comes crashing down round our ears, taking with it those public services we grew up with and came to rely upon.

Along with this utter Nirvana fuelled by Milton Friedman, Margaret Thatcher et alia, if not aliens, came management clichés such as outsourcing, downsizing, investment through layoff, privatisation. The bottom line they spell out is misery.

The Socialist system created in and exported by the Soviet Union from the 1920s to the 1990s saw generations of Africans, Latin Americans, Europeans and Asians enjoy excellent public services, free and universal education of a high quality, cutting-edge technology, industrial development, social mobility, the right to a job and full employment, the right to a house and public utilities for free or for a nominal fixed charge, public transportation, indexed pensions, low prices, subsidised energy costs, cultural activities, access to sports amenities and the sharing of resources among the recipients of the internationalised experiment.

Angolans enjoyed educational standards equal or superior to their Portuguese counterparts, Nigerians had dental care coverage, Cuba set up its excellent healthcare and education systems, while Fidel Castro survived almost 700 assassination attempts by the CIA and friends, students from around the world studied in Moscow, for free.

Even on the other side of the Iron Curtain, where people were saying this system was so bad, there was a reasonable welfare state providing public services: universal education, free; universal healthcare, free, including dental care; decent social subsidies; municipal housing.


Then came one fine day in the 1980s when a collective wave of lunacy swept across the planet from West to East, countering each and every cultural flow which had preceded, traveling in the opposite direction. This wave was the first ripple of what was to develop into the European Union, that anti-democratic multi-national clique of Eurocrats which serves to create jobs for the boys and destroy the lives of the citizens of country after country after country. Brussels now decides whether you get your pension, Brussels ultimately dictates how much your Government will spend on healthcare.

True, the Socialist model was wide open after decades of a constant media barrage, assassination attempts, subversion, piracy, terrorism and trillions of dollars spent by a capitalist model controlled by cliques of invisibles behind the scenes, for whom the Socialist model was a threat. Suppose for example, universal energy resources became available for free?

How much does an American household spend on energy today? How much did a Soviet household spend back then? Do the math and there’s your answer. Then guess who loses out. Analyse access to healthcare in the USA today and compare it with Cuba’s system. And make your analysis. Ditto education.

The Socialist system also had not introduced such stringent quality control measures as capitalist production units had done, it had not introduced vectors which rewarded human endeavour on a scale wide enough to create a collective will towards creating personal mobility, since the State had garnered the niche of collective social mobility. It was enough for many to sit back and receive, which catered for basic personal needs, such as housing, food, and the items mentioned above.

Now comes the question: what has our generation done? On both sides of the Iron Curtain, we inherited welfare systems which grew out of the ashes of the Great Patriotic War/Second World War. We enjoyed them. We had our teeth treated for free, we were given education grants to study, we received unemployment benefit when we were out of work.

And what do we hand over to our children? A world in which if you want healthcare you have to pay for it, in which the State education system has collapsed, vomiting generations of quasi-literate simpletons onto the job market every year, in which a growing percentage of people die because of infections originating from rotting teeth; in which University education has become a business and finally, in which youth unemployment is endemic in almost all western societies.

The wonderful monetarist experiment has seen outsourcing, downsizing, investment through layoff and privatisation destroy our public services, replacing them with less and less in return.

While we grew up on streets where one could walk freely at any time of day and night, our mothers now dare not venture out for fear of being kicked to death by marauding groups of drunken and drugged thugs.

Then how can we say that our generation has done anything other than failed? The reasons and the solutions are the subject of other articles. For now, what we can do is reflect and try to pass on to the generations that follow, the common sense which we inherited.

And if anyone starts saying “Yes but how do you pay for it?” tell them “OK let’s play a game and pretend it’s a bank” and suddenly trillions will become available.

Timothy BANCROFT-HINCHEY


http://english.pravda.ru/society/family/15-07-2010/114247-generation_failed-0

[the riot act]

There were a lot of anti gov radicals making a LOT of noise in the 60's. But the 'Greatest Generation" shouted them down and even killed a few here and there.

Every generation dropped the ball, and this generation isn't doing much about it either.

We're all going to hell!

[Apparition]

Once the sheeple have been hooked on the govt. teat for so long they'll defend sucking the life out of it regardless of what happens.

It appears that the only solution to this is to let the system crash and burn. :(

[Brent]

Like I wrote before "We are living from the fruit tree of past generations and not from one of our own" ... Ponce


Fixed your retarded quote for ya.

Oh and the sky is blue.

Wait, is this not a thread where we state the obvious?

Oh my bad.



Yeah thanks a lot for the huge cluster fuck you people have left us younger folks with we really appreciate it :sarc:

And of course we harbor no resentment towards you inept ignorant fools. :sarc:

[willie pete]

Like I wrote before "We are living from the fruit tree of past generations and not from one of our own" ... Ponce


Fixed your retarded quote for ya.

Oh and the sky is blue.

Wait, is this not a thread where we state the obvious?

Oh my bad.



Yeah thanks a lot for the huge cluster f*ck you people have left us younger folks with we really appreciate it :sarc:

And of course we harbor no resentment towards you inept ignorant fools. :sarc:


It all started long before any of us

[EE_]

I want to apologize to all you young people for having been part of this failure.
I have lived through one of the best periods of history that has now come to an end.
All I can offer is to vow to fight/die by your side, and offer to lead, to get it back...should some of you get the balls to rise up against this tyranny.
I'm there for you guys!

[hoarder]

America's decline and failure coincides directly with the age of teevee. It has nothing to do with "generations".

[jetgraphics]

America's decline and failure coincides directly with the age of teevee. It has nothing to do with "generations".


It's easy to blame mass media, but it is far from accurate.

I started searching for answers, in 1989. Granted, they weren't on TV or on the movie screen. But they weren't hidden "suddenly" thanks to the age of TV, or of Radio, or the movies.

Peeling back the proverbial onion, it was far more distant.

Some might say it was crafted in 1787, and later, demonstrated its power in 1873.

My finger pointing target is usury - the practice of charging interest, in money, for the use of money - as the prime reason for America's decline. The explosion of usury, starting in the 1920's (aka "Roaring Twenties"), thanks to "time payments" and easy credit, caused a massive bubble, that burst in 1929.

We've suffered under the "benign" administration of usurers and their allies, for generations.
So blame TV if it makes you feel better to not watch it.
But if you're in contract with usurers for usury....

[hoarder]

America's decline and failure coincides directly with the age of teevee. It has nothing to do with "generations".


It's easy to blame mass media, but it is far from accurate.

I started searching for answers, in 1989. Granted, they weren't on TV or on the movie screen. But they weren't hidden "suddenly" thanks to the age of TV, or of Radio, or the movies.

Peeling back the proverbial onion, it was far more distant.

Some might say it was crafted in 1787, and later, demonstrated its power in 1873.

My finger pointing target is usury - the practice of charging interest, in money, for the use of money - as the prime reason for America's decline. The explosion of usury, starting in the 1920's (aka "Roaring Twenties"), thanks to "time payments" and easy credit, caused a massive bubble, that burst in 1929.

We've suffered under the "benign" administration of usurers and their allies, for generations.
So blame TV if it makes you feel better to not watch it.
But if you're in contract with usurers for usury....
If I owned mass media/Hollywood, I could destroy the Federal Reserve in weeks. Once you realize that, it's pretty obvious who controls mass media/Hollywood.

[jetgraphics]

If I owned mass media/Hollywood, I could destroy the Federal Reserve in weeks. Once you realize that, it's pretty obvious who controls mass media/Hollywood.

Though it is a common target, the Federal Reserve Corporation is not the real problem. For if the Fed was dismantled, and the FRN was no longer fungible, then what?
There is not enough bullion in America nor in the world to support a species based monetary system.
(Using worldwide supplies for gold, it amounts to less than 1 ounce per capita - 5.5 billion ounces divided by 6.9 billion people)
That fact alone should dissuade folks from supporting a "gold" based economy.

The underlying problem is multifaceted.
1. The constitution banned alternate mediums of exchange from recognition under law.
2. The usurers gained power, via the bankruptcy clause. (States cannot impair contracts, but the Federal government can!)
3. The usurers were tacitly empowered by the necessity for the fledgling government to borrow or buy their bullion from the European banks, before coining lawful money.
4. The fixed ratio between silver coin and gold coin was a disaster waiting to happen.

Abolishing the Federal Reserve would do nothing to affect these issues.

[hoarder]

The underlying problem is multifaceted.
1. The constitution banned alternate mediums of exchange from recognition under law.
2. The usurers gained power, via the bankruptcy clause. (States cannot impair contracts, but the Federal government can!)
3. The usurers were tacitly empowered by the necessity for the fledgling government to borrow or buy their bullion from the European banks, before coining lawful money.
4. The fixed ratio between silver coin and gold coin was a disaster waiting to happen.

Abolishing the Federal Reserve would do nothing to affect these issues.
The Fed is not the problem, the mass media is....because if the monolithic media was not there to distract, censor and confuse, the masses would be aware of the fraud it is.

The only reason the userers are in power is because they control the medium of INFORMATION.

[jetgraphics]

The underlying problem is multifaceted.
1. The constitution banned alternate mediums of exchange from recognition under law.
2. The usurers gained power, via the bankruptcy clause. (States cannot impair contracts, but the Federal government can!)
3. The usurers were tacitly empowered by the necessity for the fledgling government to borrow or buy their bullion from the European banks, before coining lawful money.
4. The fixed ratio between silver coin and gold coin was a disaster waiting to happen.

Abolishing the Federal Reserve would do nothing to affect these issues.
The Fed is not the problem, the mass media is....because if the monolithic media was not there to distract, censor and confuse, the masses would be aware of the fraud it is.

The only reason the userers are in power is because they control the medium of INFORMATION.

Didn't stop them in 1873, and that was a wee bit before television.

[sirgonzo420]

You all appear to be arguing over whether the left hand or right hand is beating us harder....

The "usurers" are the same ones who control the media...

One hand washes the other.

[Saul Mine]

I am unable to relate the rant to any part of reality that I know about. It sounds like Mr. BANCROFT-HINCHEY was simply off his medications. And why in the world is his name spelled with all capital letters? More of the same problem?

[sirgonzo420]

I am unable to relate the rant to any part of reality that I know about. It sounds like Mr. BANCROFT-HINCHEY was simply off his medications. And why in the world is his name spelled with all capital letters? More of the same problem?


It's an international standard to put the surname in all uppercase letters.

"John DOE" instead of "John Doe"

UPPERCASING the surname makes it easy to distinguish from the given name.

here's a link that discusses this some: http://ask.metafilter.com/86581/Why-do-the-French-capitalize-each-letter-of-their-last-names

[Phoenix]

The only reason the userers are in power is because they control the medium of INFORMATION.


Give me total control over the television networks for six months, and I could have a great shot at saving this country.

[Ponce]

What killed the education of of the kids and family value was ELECTRONICS........TV, computer, games , mobile phone and so on........before electronics kids were healthy because they were sitting down less and when they were sitting down they were either eating or doing home work..........family value, they used to talk more and do thing together, therefore better communication.

Am I wrong?.........hell no, I am always right :oo-->

[MNeagle]

The CONTENT of education has changed dramatically Ponce. I think electronics are but a small blip compared to the material being taught.

[the riot act]

The CONTENT of education has changed dramatically Ponce. I think electronics are but a small blip compared to the material being taught.


So correct. Today they teach to pass a grade skool test. I was taught in high skool what they learn in the first two years of college now. And if you didn't make the grade you repeated the grade, or went to summer skool. I can do calculations in my head quicker than a high skool grad can do (by the time they find a calculator and punch in the numbers). Who remembers doing their 'times tables'?

Kinda glad I'm getting a little long in the tooth. I can't imagine what will happen when the 20 somethings age, and take over. I'm not dissing every 20 something, just the majority who can't even read a ruler. We may have to take away the right to vote until the person understands Civics and common sense.

[philo beddoe]

What killed the education of of the kids and family value was ELECTRONICS........TV, computer, games , mobile phone and so on........before electronics kids were healthy because they were sitting down less and when they were sitting down they were either eating or doing home work..........family value, they used to talk more and do thing together, therefore better communication.

Am I wrong?.........hell no, I am always right :oo-->
No, it was integrating the schools with negroes, then having to dumb them down so they would not get upset................

[iOWNme]

Only the generations that are dead failed.

I aint dead yet......In fact, my generation now has more historical knowledge about the worlds events than any other generation in the last 100 yrs. Depending on what my generation chooses to do with that information before they die will determine if they have failed or not.

But its not looking good. :P

[the riot act]

Only the generations that are dead failed.

I aint dead yet......In fact, my generation now has more historical knowledge about the worlds events than any other generation in the last 100 yrs. Depending on what my generation chooses to do with that information before they die will determine if they have failed or not.

But its not looking good. :P


Very profound statement.

Your generation has my respect and prayers.

[Phoenix]

No, it was integrating the schools with negroes, then having to dumb them down so they would not get upset................


Integration was a consequence of the disease, not the disease itself.

The White Race, if healthy, would have waged war on the regime implementing such genocide. We were terminally ill prior to integration.

[Ponce]

Philo? and don't forget the illegals........they want to be us without trying to be us.

[jetgraphics]

The "usurers" are the same ones who control the media...

I was in my late 30s when I was awakened to the evils of usury. Up to that point, I was unaware of its nefarious nature. I studied Engineering Economic Analysis, and was adept at calculating the exponential equations of usury. (And writing applications that calculated same). At no time was I told that usury was mathematically impossible to pay, and a scheme to rob, denounced for over 3500 years. (Secular philosophers as well as religions categorically condemn usury.)

Only by inspection and a bit of research did I find the facts that supported the denunciation of usury. So my self-realization was accompanied by egg scraping off face. How could "I" be so stupid as not to "see" ?

Do not be fooled - usurers have dominated mankind for thousands of years. But folks keep embracing the viper to their bosom.
Why do they act surprised when it bites them?

In 1836 John Whipple, an American lawyer, showed the impossibility of sustaining long term metallic usury:
" If 5 English pennies... had been... at 5 per cent compound interest from the beginning of the Christian era until the present time, it would amount in gold of standard fineness to 32,366,648,157 spheres of gold each eight thousand miles in diameter, or as large as the earth."
[Translation - impossible to pay]

Though individual contracts for usury appear benign and reasonable, aggregate usury is impossible to pay. The fact that there never will be enough money for all debtors to repay insures a proportion will default, lose their pledged collateral, and blame themselves for their "bad luck". However, the source of their predicament was the contract with usurers.

More "stuff" about the conquests of the usurers:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/7647779-post84.html

FWIW - "Reformed" Christianity (Protestant) succumbed to usurers (16th century) far before the Roman Catholic Church surrendered, in 1918 (!). They "kept the faith" for almost 2000 years.

[jetgraphics]

More on usurers and their power to pervert us - - -

Ezekiel 18:13 Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him.

Usury = abomination = death sentence

Though it would appear that there are no explicit condemnation of usurers in the New Testament, references to usury are by actions. For example, when Jesus whips the usurers (money changers) from the temple. Or the parable of the three servants and the hard man who wanted them to engage in usury.

Matthew 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou has not strawed: And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sow not, and gather where I have not strawed: Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

Note: This parable is routinely misinterpreted, and devoid of reference to the evils of usury. However, based on Ezekiel's condemnation [18:13], it would be absurd for God to condemn usury and promote it. Ergo, the "hard man" (Lord) cannot be a reference to God. Also note that this "hard man" reaps and gathers other people's property (theft). And the servant who was afraid - was afraid to engage in usury - a capital offense.

John 2:14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

Note: Exchangers = Changers of money = Usurers

Was the New Testament "sanitized" of the condemnation of usurers, or was the religious institution subverted?

[7th trump]

More on usurers and their power to pervert us - - -

Ezekiel 18:13 Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him.

Usury = abomination = death sentence

Though it would appear that there are no explicit condemnation of usurers in the New Testament, references to usury are by actions. For example, when Jesus whips the usurers (money changers) from the temple. Or the parable of the three servants and the hard man who wanted them to engage in usury.

Matthew 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou has not strawed: And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sow not, and gather where I have not strawed: Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

Note: This parable is routinely misinterpreted, and devoid of reference to the evils of usury. However, based on Ezekiel's condemnation [18:13], it would be absurd for God to condemn usury and promote it. Ergo, the "hard man" (Lord) cannot be a reference to God. Also note that this "hard man" reaps and gathers other people's property (theft). And the servant who was afraid - was afraid to engage in usury - a capital offense.

John 2:14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

Note: Exchangers = Changers of money = Usurers

Was the New Testament "sanitized" of the condemnation of usurers, or was the religious institution subverted?

Look Jet, the "subject" of Mathew 25:24 is about spreading Gods Word (the talent) in hopes to change the wicked (the money changers, the nonbeleivers)to beleivers and a righteous path to salvation.
The one who received the talent, and hid it in the earth, didnt go and spread the truth because he was afraid of prosecution and therefore God looked at him as wicked for hiding God salvation from the those who God cannot reap because they will not listen to God.
This is an easy parable to understand.

[Ponce]

Hey guys? this is not the Si-Fi channel........let's talk about what's happening here on Earth.

[Buddha]

Hey guys? this is not the Si-Fi channel........let's talk about what's happening here on Earth.


Danger Will Robinson! be it fiction or not what is being said has a lot to do with what is going on on Earth. I am a 20 something, and I have a lot on my hands. I have not done much at all, I have woken up, and I live within my means. Not much, but more than 99% my age and more than most of you when you were my age (early 20's)

Usury and it's web is one, if not THE largest problem that we face. Media is up there too, but as Gonzo said, the hands are washing one another. Which came first the chicken or the egg, Usury or Media control. Obviously the chicken came first which is Usury, but one cannot survive with out the other.

[jetgraphics]

Look Jet, the "subject" of Mathew 25:24 is about spreading Gods Word (the talent) in hopes to change the wicked (the money changers, the nonbeleivers)to beleivers and a righteous path to salvation.
The one who received the talent, and hid it in the earth, didnt go and spread the truth because he was afraid of prosecution and therefore God looked at him as wicked for hiding God salvation from the those who God cannot reap because they will not listen to God.
This is an easy parable to understand.

With all due respect, for the sake of argument, re-read the parable, but remove the preface:
"For the kingdom of heaven is as a man traveling into a far country..."
And have Ezekiel 18:13 KJV by your side.

24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
{What kind of hard man reaps other men's crops? A thief?}
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
{Why was the third servant afraid - of usury?}
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
{Hey, dumbie, you know I am a crook, why didn't you contract for usury, the abomination?}
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
{Again, I say, are you stoofid, servant #3, you should have cooperated with my evil intent.}
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
{In case you missed the point, if you're a "Good Fella" you get earthly riches.}
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
{But if you're one of those "Holy Rollers", we'll kick you out of our "club".}

If I was a common yokel listening to this in Aramaic, I might have gleaned that those who try to be virtuous while in the employ of evil doers, may find themselves kicked into the darkness (with a set of lumps!). Or in modern parlance, if you're a chaplain on a pirate ship, don't be surprised if they make you walk the plank for failure to be a "good pirate".

I may be wrong, and all those institutionally trained teachers / preachers are smarter than me, but when someone tells me that a "hard man" who is enriched by usury, is a metaphor for GOD, and wants me to commit a crime (usury, an abomination, a capital offense) is really a metaphor for "preaching the Gospel", I find it hard to stomach.

Which leads me to suspect that the USURERS have perverted scripture and the clergy.
If I am correct, that explains much, don't you think?

http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/569831-collapse-us-economy-underway-all-just-9.html#post7647779

[jetgraphics]

I keep hearing that there isn't enough gold to support a gold standard because there is less than 1oz of gold per capita. Don't most of the people in the world survive on less than $1/day aka 0.000843003oz's?


The value of that small sum, out of context, is meaningless.

There are many pundits that blame America's decline on "cheap foreign labor" (or the more extreme "slave labor").
What the pundits fail to note, is that those "poor" folks can buy their neighbor's labor more equitably than in America.

But the original point is that as a medium of exchange, a percapita share of less than an ounce would make it very difficult to coin (stamp bullion) for sums useful in daily transactions.

To illustrate, if 1/2 ounce of gold is pegged as a typical year's wages, how much is equitable for purchasing a meal?
Let's say 1/3 of the day's wages is for food. And we budget 3 meals.
1/365 x (1/3) x (1/3) x 1/2 ounce computes to:
0.000152 ounces.
That's one small coin!


BTW - 1/20 ounce of gold is the legal equivalent of a unit dollar. That's 0.05 ounces.
0.000843003 oz is 1/1186.23 oz.