Pledge of Allegiance = unAmerican

[jetgraphics]

Technically speaking, the original Pledge and the subsequent Pledge of Allegiance is unAmerican Socialist twaddle.

You have to dissect the pledge's terminology, to discover that the "Pledge" is anathema to the Declaration of Independence, wherein governments are instituted to secure rights, not demand that the people serve the government.

Allegiance -
1. Loyalty or the obligation of loyalty, as to a nation, sovereign, or cause.
2. The obligations of a vassal to a lord.

What's the problem with pledging allegiance to a sovereign?

It's an act of submission.

Why is that anathema to America?

"The people of the state, as the successors of its former sovereign, are entitled to all the rights which formerly belonged to the king by his own prerogative."
Lansing v. Smith, (1829) 4 Wendell 9, (NY)

"At the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people and they are truly the sovereigns of the country."
Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 440, 463

"It will be admitted on all hands that with the exception of the powers granted to the states and the federal government, through the Constitutions, the people of the several states are unconditionally sovereign within their respective states."
Ohio L. Ins. & T. Co. v. Debolt 16 How. 416, 14 L.Ed. 997

In America, however, the case is widely different. Our government is founded upon compact. Sovereignty was, and is, in the people.
[ Glass vs The Sloop Betsey, 3 Dall 6 (1794)]

By the way, that's what the "Republican form of government" really means (See: Article 4, Section 4, USCON).

"GOVERNMENT (Republican Government)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695

American people are sovereign, directly exercise sovereignty, except in those cases when that power is specially delegated to the servant government.

In short, the government owes a pledge of allegiance to the SOVEREIGN PEOPLE, not the other way around.

[Heimdhal]

Thanks for the post. My wife and I were just discussing this the other day in the car. It is about the conclusion we came to, but having this reference material certainly helps.

[jetgraphics]

It is about the conclusion we came to, but having this reference material certainly helps.

We all have been carefully indoctrinated by "harmless" propaganda, so that we cannot think clearly nor challenge the predators on rampage.

One of the most baffling is President Kennedy. He exposed his high moral fiber with his inaugural address:

"Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country..."

What's wrong with this statement? It refutes the Declaration of Independence, while admonishing socialists to not be greedy. The Declaration of Independence states that governments are instituted among men to secure rights (life, liberty, property). So if Mr. Kennedy doesn't want you to ask government to help secure your rights, WHAT IN THE WORLD IS GOVERNMENT DOING?

But if he's referring to the socialist entitlement system that you should willingly give your utmost for while taking as little as possible, then, again, he's espousing an unAmerican philosophy. SHAME ON HIM!

Of course everyone assumes he is speaking of "patriotic" self sacrifice for the "country".
But that's not the case, is it?
Government was not instituted to coerce or cajole everyone to serve it, but that government would serve the sovereign people.

If Mr. Kennedy was espousing honest constitutional government, he would have said, "Ask not what socialism can give to you, but how government can help secure your property rights..."

[jetgraphics]

Addendum:
I was transformed in my thinking once I realized that the original organization of these united States was to secure the rights of the sovereign people - not the servant government. And if you awaken to that fact, you will question every belief, slogan, and saying that you considered "patriotic" or "American".

Which boils down to :
You don't owe a "fair share".
You aren't part of a "social compact".
You aren't endowed by government, but by your Creator, with inalienable rights.
You aren't a "person liable" until you consent.
It's not "your" government unless you say so.
Your right to life is not dependent upon the permission of government, or any majority.
Your liberty (natural and personal) is not a grant from government, but your birthright.
A violation of law (not policy) requires an injured party, whose person or property was deliberately injured.

If these ideas ever became widespread, then the usurpers and predators would count their days numbered, and flee in terror.

[Saul Mine]

Addendum:
I was transformed in my thinking once I realized that the original organization of these united States was to secure the rights of the sovereign people - not the servant government. And if you awaken to that fact, you will question every belief, slogan, and saying that you considered "patriotic" or "American".

Which boils down to :
You don't owe a "fair share".
You aren't part of a "social compact".
You aren't endowed by government, but by your Creator, with inalienable rights.
You aren't a "person liable" until you consent.
It's not "your" government unless you say so.
Your right to life is not dependent upon the permission of government, or any majority.
Your liberty (natural and personal) is not a grant from government, but your birthright.
A violation of law (not policy) requires an injured party, whose person or property was deliberately injured.

If these ideas ever became widespread, then the usurpers and predators would count their days numbered, and flee in terror.


Which is why in all cases of civil backlash, judges are the first to flee the country.

[madfranks]

As a kid reciting the pledge, in the back of my mind I always knew something didn't feel quite right about it. Jet is right, it's an act of submission.

[hoarder]

Although I would have worded it differently, I think the pledge is solidification of nationalism.

Nationalism is not un-American.

[jetgraphics]

Do you have a U.S. passport? If so then you owe allegiance.

There is no fact that connects a passport with allegiance.
A passport only identifies nationality, according to several supreme court rulings.
It confers no more or less protection than what is afforded to any other person.

[jetgraphics]

Although I would have worded it differently, I think the pledge is solidification of nationalism.

Nationalism is not un-American.

Nationalism is not synonymous with submission to a sovereign.
To assume that allegiance = nationalism is not supported by the facts.

American people are sovereign - until they surrender that status.

[Phoenix]

Although I would have worded it differently, I think the pledge is solidification of nationalism.

Nationalism is not un-American.


One can serve God or government. I choose God.

The Pledge of Allegiance is a form of prayer. And a blasphemous one at that, since America is not "under God." America acts as though it is God.

[Phoenix]

Addendum:
I was transformed in my thinking once I realized that the original organization of these united States was to secure the rights of the sovereign people - not the servant government. And if you awaken to that fact, you will question every belief, slogan, and saying that you considered "patriotic" or "American".

Which boils down to :
You don't owe a "fair share".
You aren't part of a "social compact".
You aren't endowed by government, but by your Creator, with inalienable rights.
You aren't a "person liable" until you consent.
It's not "your" government unless you say so.
Your right to life is not dependent upon the permission of government, or any majority.
Your liberty (natural and personal) is not a grant from government, but your birthright.
A violation of law (not policy) requires an injured party, whose person or property was deliberately injured.

If these ideas ever became widespread, then the usurpers and predators would count their days numbered, and flee in terror.


If these ideas ever became widespread, and the People had the will to use VIOLENCE to enforce these ideals, then the usurpers and predators would count their days numbered, and flee in terror to Israel or South America.

[Phoenix]

As a kid reciting the pledge, in the back of my mind I always knew something didn't feel quite right about it. Jet is right, it's an act of submission.


I regarded being compelled to say "the Pledge" to be a form of collective punishment.

[Phoenix]

Allegiance is a quid pro quo in exchange for protection. Lacking protection the relationship deteriorates to a gift without reciprocation. If you should detect a lack of protection then allegiance is gratuitous.


Main Entry: gra·tu·itous
Pronunciation: \grə-ˈtü-ə-təs, -ˈtyü-\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin gratuitus, from gratus
Date: 1656

1 a : given unearned or without recompense b : not involving a return benefit, compensation, or consideration c : costing nothing : free
2 : not called for by the circumstances : unwarranted <gratuitous insolence> <a gratuitous assumption>

On the other hand if protection is provided then allegiance is a debt owed.

Do you have a U.S. passport? If so then you owe allegiance.


I have no government, and I have no passport. A government protects its citizens and furthers their interests. The US Government does neither for me. I owe it no allegiance. I owe my allegiance to my King, Jesus Christ.