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Twisted Titan
21st July 2010, 08:56 AM
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/jim...-around-corner


Its going to be a very sad day for the indebted when they realize the endpoint.

In our system of money created by debt it is essential to the function and survivability of the system to have ever increasing inflation (expanding money supply) in order to service interest costs. Those who get the money first will profit as it loses value as it passes hands. Thus the government/banks reap the most benefit.

Unfortunately it is mathematically impossible for the game to continue forever and at some point deflation takes over. Money created by debt is inherently deflationary in nature due to the interest costs. The only possible exception is giving away debt free money which if done in sufficient quantities (if not then you just flatline forever like Japan) would undermine the value of the currency thus causing a hyper-inflationary collapse....basically a loss of faith in the money (and government backing it) such that no one recognizes it as a means of exchange.

This (inflation created by debt free money) would negate the central banks ability to influence the world as its "their" money (they create it) Vs. deflation in which their money becomes more valuable - wields more power and control.....and to top it off - you have to pay back the IOUs created with another IOU. Try getting your wages in gold....or paying your debts with gold....or purchasing at Walmart with gold. Its their world at this point. Do you think they are just going to give it up?

Based on this assumption I believe they will not hyper-inflate - i.e. give away free money. They may facilitate transactions with governments but only to maintain power and control over the masses.....and it will still be debt.

The endpoint is debt saturation at which point people can barely service the debt they have and cannot take on new debt. The debt saturation point is flexible and can move up or down based on interest rates (the cost of the debt).

We started to hit that point in the mid 90's and Greenspan created the sweeps program in which average checking account balances (demand deposits) are swept into a savings account and loaned out....thus creating more leverage and more money in the system. We hit that point again in 2000/2001 and Greenspan lowered interest rates to 50 year low thus lowering the debt saturation point. This resulted in huge dive into the debt pit across most of the world.

We have now hit that debt saturation point again but interest rates can't go much lower without basically offering debt free money.

I believe the debt pit (bottomless pit?) that is being dug...has been dug is designed to result in the transfer of assets/wealth. When everyone is loaded to the gills with debt (debt saturation point at lowest interest rates in history) then the carpet is pulled out from under their feet and ownership of all wealth/assets is transferred to the creator of debt based currency - the central banks and ultimately to the central bank of central banks - the BIS......at near zero cost I might add.....or outright theft!

FYI - this isn't exactly easy to accomplish. Its taken nearly a 100 years (or more) of careful planning and manipulation to get to this point. Even now 1/3 of all residential homes are owned outright. Thus it requires a careful coordinated attack from all angles - medical, food supply, energy, taxes, etc. If your goal is to steal another's wealth you have to either murder them as Cain did.....or you must trick them out of it. Money created by debt will slowly steal everyone's wealth with inflation and then quickly and rapidly with deflation at the end.

Look at what's taking place currently - collapsing demand for debt, rising taxes, rising medical, rising food, rising energy. They are taking away everything we have. Are you leveraged? Does your income rely on leverage? Is your business leveraged? Does your business rely on leveraged customers?

Now with that background lets focus on precious metals....oh my precious.

1st - we know that deflation is the final tool for the transfer of wealth.

2nd - we know that those who have the wealth make the rules. No poor man ever gave a rich man a job.

3rd - we know that when they own everything....they can create whatever system of credits they so desire and it doesn't need to be gold/silver backed.....since we are begging for the food and necessities which they will/do own and control.

4th - in the event they fall into the pit they have dug....which I interrupt as to mean complete system wide collapse.....the focus will be on food and necessities.

Thus precious metals can be a hedge by the very wealthy to protect their wealth if the whole system collapses.....but only for those who can completely isolate themselves from a deflationary spiral....or else they are just delaying the transfer of assets (or even speeding it up depending on how the central banks play the game). But we are only talking .1 to .5% of society. And most of those people will ultimately rely on the central bank version of society as a means of protecting their wealth from being ravaged by the masses - belief and support of the iron fist!

Everyone else is just speculating with borrowed dollars....

So in terms of the present - we face a deflationary gap. The gap between now and the endpoint - system of credits to utilize central bank assets (chipped) or a complete system wide collapse. In this gap the central banks will be gaining more and more power until they fall into the pit. The FRN's will be in increasingly short supply as interest costs vacuum up all the debt based money while the macro economy slides down the deflationary spiral. The value of most assets will slide with it....except perhaps the tools they have created to help force everyone (specifically those who haven't been enticed by the debt) down the spiral - medical, energy, food, etc.

The absolute best position one could be in for the above would be - debt free, ample supply of food storage, means of food production, means of energy independence, clean water supply, as healthy as possible, means of producing things other people must have (food, energy, medical, etc.), and means of protecting all of the above from others who might resort to less than admirable methods of trying to acquire it.......have I missed anything?

Ponce
21st July 2010, 09:40 AM
You don't need a lot of money in order to be rich.........just don't have any debts.

cedarchopper
21st July 2010, 10:03 AM
You don't need a lot of money in order to be rich.........just don't have any debts.


Yep, "it's not what you make, it is what you get to keep"
Cedarchopper ;D

Ponce
21st July 2010, 10:05 AM
LOLLLLLLLLLLL you did remember that one, I am surprised because I posted that one about six months ago hahahahahahaha.

cedarchopper
21st July 2010, 10:12 AM
LOLLLLLLLLLLL you did remember that one, I am surprised because I posted that one about six months ago hahahahahahaha.


Remember it shit! I just coined it, LOL. Prove it and I will remove my claim of authorship ;D...otherwise, "if you can't prove it, I own it"
Cedarchopper

Phoenix
21st July 2010, 10:47 AM
It's going to be a very sad day for the creditors when the majority of debtors realize that the debtors can simply ruthlessly default.

Libertytree
21st July 2010, 11:43 AM
It's going to be a very sad day for the creditors when the majority of debtors realize that the debtors can simply ruthlessly default.


Exactly! The problem is though that the "debtors" are not prepared mentally, physically, preps, etc for a worst case scenario. In the initial phase debtors will tell the creditors to F off, after that it's wide open.

Saul Mine
21st July 2010, 12:18 PM
The bible says the rich guy is the one with a lot of friends.

Not the one with a lot of money.

Not the one with a lot of toys.

Not even the one with no debts.

But hey, you know, we humans are smarter than that!

Ponce
21st July 2010, 12:20 PM
LOLLLLLLLLLLL you did remember that one, I am surprised because I posted that one about six months ago hahahahahahaha.


Remember it sh*t! I just coined it, LOL. Prove it and I will remove my claim of authorship ;D...otherwise, "if you can't prove it, I own it"
Cedarchopper




Well, to tell you the truth your is different ........at the end I said........"what you keep" and you wrote "what you get to keep"..........so........you can keep it ahahahahahahahah.

Saul? but if you have a lot of money you also will make A LOT of friends.........I should know and that's why I live alone and away from everyone.

ximmy
21st July 2010, 12:29 PM
The bible says the rich guy is the one with a lot of friends.

Not the one with a lot of money.

Not the one with a lot of toys.

Not even the one with no debts.

But hey, you know, we humans are smarter than that!


I'm reading it differently... perhaps there is an error in the text...
"The poor is hated even of his own neighbour: but the rich hath many friends." Prov.14:20

cedarchopper
21st July 2010, 02:15 PM
LOLLLLLLLLLLL you did remember that one, I am surprised because I posted that one about six months ago hahahahahahaha.


Remember it sh*t! I just coined it, LOL. Prove it and I will remove my claim of authorship ;D...otherwise, "if you can't prove it, I own it"
Cedarchopper




Well, to tell you the truth your is different ........at the end I said........"what you keep" and you wrote "what you get to keep"..........so........you can keep it ahahahahahahahah.



Thanks, I'll keep it and and add it to my quotations stash, LOL.

"If you don't know, you'll never know what you missed"
Cedarchopper

gunDriller
21st July 2010, 02:37 PM
we'll just have to have a general all around Kol Nidre.

everybody defaults on the debts they owe to corrupt financial institutions.

whether it's done consciously or happens by default after some institution like Lehman Brothers fails (maybe that's not a good example, maybe that was intentional ... but anyway)

we saw the first half of the play back in 2008-2009.

we know what's included in the second half of the play.

there was food sitting rotting on the docks in Long Beach because the American business wouldn't accept the Letter of Credit that was submitted by the shipper, which used to be the normal procedure.

imagine if that situation continued for a while.

like Michael Ruppert said, LA is 12 million people living in the desert with a 3 day supply of food water.

Phoenix
21st July 2010, 04:25 PM
we'll just have to have a general all around Kol Nidre.


Kol Nidre - malicious renunciation of promises made to people prior to committing to them.

Righteous (Ruthless) Default - self-defensive renunciation of promises made to a machine after committing to them.

Silver Rocket Bitches!
22nd July 2010, 07:27 AM
The sad day for the indebted was the day they thought they could prosper using debt....

Ash_Williams
22nd July 2010, 07:34 AM
Exactly! The problem is though that the "debtors" are not prepared mentally, physically, preps, etc for a worst case scenario. In the initial phase debtors will tell the creditors to F off, after that it's wide open.

They could do that, since they've already proven they have no capacity for long term planning.

So they default... what do they do after that? You think they have the discipline to save for their next car? You think they'll ever be able to buy a house without massive borrowing? A lot of people right now can't even buy a couch without it being turned into monthly payments. If they default they'll just start over doing the same thing they did before but at a higher interest rate.

People want easy money now and they don't want to worry about the future. As loans are getting harder to get you can go to the craigslist of any city and it's loaded with sob stories asking for $500 personal loans from anyone (many of which explain the person is a single mom and will do *anything* for the loan.)

Twisted Titan
22nd July 2010, 08:16 AM
It's going to be even sadder when you realize we'll be picking up their tab.



Only if you hold the biggest part of your wealth in digital and paper instruments.

I dont.........so I wont be pickup up jack schitt.

T

Phoenix
22nd July 2010, 01:34 PM
It's going to be even sadder when you realize we'll be picking up their tab.


Only if you want to.

The alternative, and correct approach, is Debt Repudiation.

FunnyMoney
22nd July 2010, 10:52 PM
It doesn't matter how it works out. The banksters and the owners of the money win. They create the money they loan out from nothing. If they don't get paid back because the borrower defaults they are out nothing and if the ledger appears weak then bailouts for the too big to fail will be provided. Even better, sometimes they get to take an asset that was used as collateral. If they do get paid back then they collect interest on money they created. This collection of a revenue stream pays for their expenses and salaries, all from loaning out something they created up from nothing.

What is going to be sad is when the game is over and the smart owners will have converted their fortunes into hard assets and precious metals. The avg worker and debtors are likely to have very little real wealth and preps left once this arrives.