Moving back to the UK...

[dead precedent]

Well the wife suggested it,can others please explain why now is not the time to do so. Maybe if she hears the same reasons I have given her from others it may turn on a light bulb. :o
Anyone living there now care to tell me the pros vs. cons in case Im missing something, or being paranoid. :P

[Ponce]

With all the Muslims in the UK it will be worse there than here in the US.

[Heimdhal]

First, what are your reason for going back to the UK? Are you trying to escape the economic future of the US, or the politics, or the social disorder, etc?

Are you moving back to be closer to family, or because you have a lucrative job offer thats too good to pass up? You see where Im going ;)

[Book]

Anyone living there now care to tell me the pros vs. cons in case Im missing something, or being paranoid.



IF YOU THINK YOU ARE PARANOID HERE WAIT UNTIL YOU ARRIVE IN LONDON... (http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&biw=1280&bih=525&gbv=2&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=london+surveillance+cameras&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8393602.stm

:D

[dead precedent]

1st-I have no problems with muslims...at least the ones Ive met,I dont believe have a secret fantasy to slit my throat.
2nd-Ive seen the CCTV and ...yeah that makes me paranoid!
3rd- She just finished Defensive Racism and fears the breakup of the US as written is a probability, mix with political dissent of the past few years,economic down turn, unemployment rampant,does make sense to me too, but I hate to leave a $60,000 a year job that has done wonderful in these shitty times to go to where my kids are not (ages 10 and 18) and start all over washing dishes in some curry house for £5.00 quid an hr.
She laments the "benefits" if needed for rent and such and the "free" education available so maybe I could choose a new career...The biggest thing is she hasnt seen her family in 6 years and I have very few family members here in the midwest, and she sees me working myself to death,Ill be 40 this year and I work with mid 20 somethings in a physical job, money isnt everything.
4th- more like 80 miles east of the Sudan

[MNeagle]

Go for a visit, a lot less drastic than uprooting your entire lifestyle. Or have her family visit here if that's possible.

Isn't the unemployment in the UK just as bad as the US?

And leaving your kids behind? I couldn't do that.

[Book]

The biggest thing is she hasn't seen her family in 6 years and I have very few family members here in the midwest

MNeagle's advice is wise.

:)

[dead precedent]

The biggest thing is she hasn't seen her family in 6 years and I have very few family members here in the midwest

MNeagle's advice is wise.

:)




I had a week off this month and she wanted to go to San Diego Sea world to kiss dolphins instead,now she brings up the England thing again...maybe I should trade up for a Russian ::)
As far as my kids go the oldest is 18,Ive done the best I can for her now she must follow her own path, but the youngest,well...thats my root cause of STAY ,but I only have her for 4 days a month,and with work I dont often get time to see her during the week.

[Ponce]

And remember that you won't be allowed to own a gun in the UK.

[MNeagle]

And how many days/year would you see your youngest if you're in the UK? They're only young once. And the years will fly by.

My vote is no. You'll be giving up too much; job, children, etc. and no replacements on the other side of the pond.

Send your wife to visit for several weeks.

[sunshine05]

I couldn't imagine going without having a good paying job lined up ahead of time. Too risky. With a good job lined up I would probably be open to going. I don't really think there will be much difference, aside from the gun ownership. But I would try to live out in the country. Manchester is pretty nice.

[uranian]

i'm english, living in the UK, happy to be here again after years in wintery scandiwegia. simple drunken response after 2 days of a local music festival that's meters from my house (i recommend Bath as a city if you do make it here); ye cannae get away from the control. we visited an anarchist basque intentional community in spain (and basque anarchists mean business, ETA have killed more than few), who had their sheep RFID chipped. Go, Figure, was my conclusion at that point.

that said, england is a green and pleasant land ;)

[willie pete]

If your wife is homesick, as mentioned before, send her off for a few weeks to visit

I'd like to go, I've heard England Swings :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T8e3K3-XN8

[Horn]

that said, england is a green and pleasant land ;)


Just avoid the dark & Satanic mills scattered abouts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_did_those_feet_in_ancient_time#Satanic_Mills

[uranian]

that said, england is a green and pleasant land ;)


Just avoid the dark & Satanic mills scattered abouts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_did_those_feet_in_ancient_time#Satanic_Mills


that too.

http://www.milemeadfisheries.com/bowermans%20nose%20-%20dartmoor.jpg

this too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV-i6yQCJOs

[Phoenix]

Despite the Fascism in America, it's much worse in Britain. Further, Britain is not self-sufficient in essentials like food.

[Bluegill]

From what I've been seeing in the last couple of years, the U.K. is in worse shape than the U.S. In fact, if you want to see Amerika's future, just look across the Atlantic to the U.K.

[cedarchopper]

Austerity is coming to the UK, what seems like subsidies and "free" social benefits are not sustainable. If you are making $60k a year here, I would hold on to that income as long as it last.

It would be a mistake to be flip about finances in what is developing into a long and sustained contraction...voluntary contraction is asking for trouble.

[Down1]

20% VAT.

[keehah]

From Horn's wiki link:

The Hymn: "Jerusalem"[21]
And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen?
And did the Countenance Divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among those dark Satanic mills?

Bring me my bow of burning gold:
Bring me my arrows of desire:
Bring me my spear: O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!
I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.

Number one with a bullet in the Hegel trialectic of suck to the top choices:

At the Commonwealth Games, Team England will use "Jerusalem" as the victory anthem from 2010 onwards. The Commonwealth Games Council for England conducted a poll of members of the public which decided the anthem for the 2010 Commonwealth Games. The three options were "God Save The Queen", "Jerusalem" and "Land of Hope and Glory". Jerusalem was the clear winner with 52% of the vote.

[dead precedent]

Posted by: cedarchopper
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Austerity is coming to the UK, what seems like subsidies and "free" social benefits are not sustainable. If you are making $60k a year here, I would hold on to that income as long as it last.

It would be a mistake to be flip about finances in what is developing into a long and sustained contraction...voluntary contraction is asking for trouble.
Posted on: Yesterday at 03:16:06 PM
Posted by: Bluegill
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From what I've been seeing in the last couple of years, the U.K. is in worse shape than the U.S. In fact, if you want to see Amerika's future, just look across the Atlantic to the U.K.
Posted on: Yesterday at 02:49:17 PM
Posted by: Phoenix
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Despite the Fascism in America, it's much worse in Britain. Further, Britain is not self-sufficient in essentials like food.
These 3 quotes sound like they fell out of my own mouth to her,lol!

[undgrd]

You may also consider the conversion rate for dollars to pounds.

Current conversion rate:
1 dollar = 0.649113 pounds


Ouch

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_pZnHLwRsM

My favorite rendition, it exemplifies with amplitude the poms passions... :oo-->

[Awoke]

The UK has more infrigment on civil liberties, more surveillance, and gun ownership is very hard.

Also, the Queen is under direct control of the Rothschilds, and subservient to the hebrew conspiracy.

[Horn]

The UK has more infrigment on civil liberties, more surveillance, and gun ownership is very hard.

Also, the Queen is under direct control of the Rothschilds, and subservient to the hebrew conspiracy.


Anyone who tells you she's just a figure head is missing the point completely.

Or to say otherwise, stating the obvious...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeP220xx7Bs

[Twisted Titan]

And remember that you won't be allowed to own a gun in the UK.


And the criminal will and after he assualts your wife you will be one who goes to jail for twenty years because you tried to defend her..

The UK is the fricken Twilight Zone.


T

[dead precedent]

And remember that you won't be allowed to own a gun in the UK.


And the criminal will and after he assualts your wife you will be one who goes to jail for twenty years because you tried to defend her..

The UK is the fricken Twilight Zone.


T


Guns are easy to obtain in Manchester...not to sound childish or "cool" but any fool who comes into my domain with ill intentions,rest assured they will only leave down the drain.

[Hugginator]

This site may be helpful. http://www.gumtree.com/ It has jobs, homes, etc.

[uranian]

Despite the Fascism in America, it's much worse in Britain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwT6CisM0mU

[Saul Mine]

1. VAT
2. CCTV
3. Paranoia
4. Rights are abolished.
5. Foreigners. (England doesn't even exist any more.)

[uranian]

entertaining stats on the "your country's more fascist than mine" debate:


The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the world.

The U.S. incarceration rate on December 31, 2008 was 754 inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents, or 0.75%.The USA also has the highest total documented prison and jail population in the world.

The federal prison industry produces 100% of all military helmets, ammunition belts, bullet-proof vests, ID tags, shirts, pants, tents, bags, and canteens. Along with war supplies, prison workers supply 98% of the entire market for equipment assembly services; 93% of paints and paintbrushes; 92% of stove assembly; 46% of body armor; 36% of home appliances; 30% of headphones/microphones/speakers; and 21% of office furniture. Airplane parts, medical supplies, and much more: prisoners are even raising seeing-eye dogs for blind people.

Thanks to prison labor, the United States is once again an attractive location for investment in work that was designed for Third World labor markets. A company that operated a maquiladora (assembly plant in Mexico near the border) closed down its operations there and relocated to San Quentin State Prison in California. In Texas, a factory fired its 150 workers and contracted the services of prisoner-workers from the private Lockhart Texas prison, where circuit boards are assembled for companies like IBM and Compaq.

For the tycoons who have invested in the prison industry, it has been like finding a pot of gold. They don't have to worry about strikes or paying unemployment insurance, vacations or comp time. All of their workers are full-time, and never arrive late or are absent because of family problems; moreover, if they don't like the pay of 25 cents an hour and refuse to work, they are locked up in isolation cells.

The figures show that the United States has locked up more people than any other country: a half million more than China, which has a population five times greater than the U.S. Statistics reveal that the United States holds 25% of the world's prison population, but only 5% of the world's people.

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/incarcerated-americans-1920-2006.jpg

[uranian]

apparently the USA is the only first-world nation that murders its criminals, too. As of the end of 2009, 139 countries were abolitionist in law or practice.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/i/numberofcountries.gif