WIKILEAKS IS OUT !

[MAGNES]

NYTimes already putting spin on it cherry picking, very interesting,
Obama expanded the NeoCon wars to Pakistan already, now this.
Pakistan is involved in 9/11 too working for/with USA/Israel/ZOG.

Pakistan Spy Service Aids Insurgents, Reports Assert
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/world/war-logs.html

NYTimes knew what was coming it seems.
How else could they be so fast sorting/reading.



WIKILEAKS WEBSITE, they go down sometimes, try later
http://88.80.13.160/

GREAT UPDATES ON TWITTER, if website is down get list of updates.
http://twitter.com/wikileaks


Seems to be top story so far.

Secret files: Wikileaks reveals 'unseen war'
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/international_politics/secret+files+wikileaks+exposes+aposunseen+afghan+w arapos/3723387

EXCLUSIVE: A major security breach reveals alleged "execution squads", an apparent plot to kill the Afghan president and previously unreported civilian deaths. Wikileaks editor Julian Assange speaks to Channel 4 News about his decision to leak the secret files online.

[MAGNES]

Spin for expanding wars is prominent so far.

This is going to be full of stories like Sibel Edmonds case it seems.

"The White House has issued a statement to the New York Times "condemning" the leak.
The US newspaper is focusing on Pakistan's alleged connections with Taliban insurgency."


Pakistan is run by US, does what they want, always has.

This ain't news.

Hillary Clinton ADMITS that the US and Pakistan created the Mujahaddin
http://dailypaul.com/node/140479

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0Cc3LfhQ-o

[Book]

Leaked Documents Shed Light on Afghan War


WASHINGTON—Thousands of secret military documents were set to be released Sunday by a web-based organization, a gigantic leak of classified information that appeared to present a bleak view of Afghanistan war and could have a profound impact on the public perception of the conflict.

The release of the documents, which were obtained and made public by the website WikiLeaks, evoked the Pentagon Papers, the secret history of the Vietnam War, which when published contradicted the public narrative of that war and played a role in turning public opinion against it.

The giant document release, coming at a time when President Barack Obama's Afghanistan strategy has come under increasing criticism, will likely stoke criticism of the war effort, as well as spark a debate about the manner in which the information was made available.

WikiLeaks allowed three publications, the Guardian newspaper in London, the magazine Der Spiegel in Germany and the New York Times, to have access to the documents for several weeks. Those news outlets released stories in a coordinated manner Sunday.

The documents are mostly raw field reports, according to the reporters from those publications who reviewed them, some spare, some mundane and others rich with narrative details.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704719104575389830133687588.html?m od=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLETopStories

[MAGNES]

Related Stories.

General McChrystal Resigns
http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/general-mcchrystal-resigns/

Torturing Innocent People.
Lawrence Wilkerson: Some Truths About Guantanamo Bay
http://gold-silver.us/forum/wars-rumors-of-war-conflicts-provocations/lawrence-wilkerson-some-truths-about-guantanamo-bay/

Afghanistan Heroin for Europe Protected By Powerful Interests
http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/afghanistan-heroin-for-europe-protected-by-powerful-interests/

WIKILEAKS ICELAND and the New Masscre Video
http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/wikileaks-iceland-and-the-new-masscre-video/

[MAGNES]

LEAKED !

Leaked files: death toll
The classified reports contain detailed logs of fatalities - both military and civilian.

Afghanistan expert and author Stephen Grey, who wrote Operation Snakebite, has analysed the data for Channel 4 News and calculated the number of deaths revealed in the report. Here is the breakdown:

Enemy killed: 15,506
Civilians killed: 4,232
Afghan Army (ANA) killed: 3,819
Nato forces killed: 1,138

=========== does not equate

WHO ARE THEY FIGHTING ?

"In October 2009, National Security Adviser James Jones said that al-Qaeda in Afghanistan had been contained and that fewer than 100 members remained in the country."

“The good news is that the Al Qaeda presence is very diminished," Jones said. "I don’t foresee the return of the Taliban. And I want to be very clear: Afghanistan in not in danger—is not in imminent danger—of falling… It would be unwise to rush to a final judgment here.” NSA JAMES JONES

http://original.antiwar.com/huber/2010/04/26/measures-of-ineffectiveness/


============ 1 + 1 = 2 now.

http://i48.tinypic.com/5u1yyc.jpg

[Libertarian_Guard]

Leaked Documents Shed Light on Afghan War


WASHINGTON—Thousands of secret military documents were set to be released Sunday by a web-based organization, a gigantic leak of classified information that appeared to present a bleak view of Afghanistan war and could have a profound impact on the public perception of the conflict.

The release of the documents, which were obtained and made public by the website WikiLeaks, evoked the Pentagon Papers, the secret history of the Vietnam War, which when published contradicted the public narrative of that war and played a role in turning public opinion against it.

The giant document release, coming at a time when President Barack Obama's Afghanistan strategy has come under increasing criticism, will likely stoke criticism of the war effort, as well as spark a debate about the manner in which the information was made available.

WikiLeaks allowed three publications, the Guardian newspaper in London, the magazine Der Spiegel in Germany and the New York Times, to have access to the documents for several weeks. Those news outlets released stories in a coordinated manner Sunday.

The documents are mostly raw field reports, according to the reporters from those publications who reviewed them, some spare, some mundane and others rich with narrative details.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704719104575389830133687588.html?m od=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLETopStories


Parallels with the 'Pentagon Papers'

The documents have drawn parallels with another major military leak, when in 1971 top secret papers about America's political and military involvement in Vietnam were brought to light in the New York Times.

The study, officially titled United States-Vietnam Relations, 1945-1967, became known as the "Pentagon Papers" (see full text) and detailed the ultimately doomed involvement of the US in the conflict.

Julian Assange, Wikileaks editor, told Channel 4 News this new data leak is even more significant.

He said: "There doesn't seem to be an equivalent disclosure made during the course of the war when it might have some effect. the nearest equivalent is perhaps the Pentagon Papers released by Daniel Ellsberg in the 1970s which was about 10,000 papers - but that was already four years old when it was released."

[MAGNES]

They hint there is more coming, I am interested in the drug trade exposure and DU.

Read the Guardian's full war logs investigation
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/series/afghanistan-the-war-logs

Afghanistan war logs: Massive leak of secret files exposes truth of occupation
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/25/afghanistan-war-logs-military-leaks

[JDRock]

excellent thread! two thumbs up!!

[PatColo]

I haven't dug into the subject of this thread, but I was considering posting this in a new thread,

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is 'annoyed' by 9/11 truth (http://911blogger.com/news/2010-07-22/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-annoyed-911-truth)

the 911blogger reader comments are very unforgiving of Assange's comment, suggest he's CIA limited hangout tool etc.

Ironically, 911b also just posted the story of this thread, Leaks provide ground-level account of Afghan war (http://911blogger.com/news/2010-07-25/leaks-provide-ground-level-account-afghan-war)

[Mouse]

This material is highly suspect.

Do you think they cannot manufacture enough negative info to discredit themselves to make the whole charade believable? If they wanted this stuff kept top secret, all these people would be dead. This is pure disinfo and I will absorb it with skepticism for its educational and entertainment value. This is dogfood fed to the catfish.

You have been had.

Again.

[Large Sarge]

I wonder if wikileaks is the excuse they use to shutdown the internet

seems like it is getting a lot of attention on the MSM

[Phoenix]

I haven't dug into the subject of this thread, but I was considering posting this in a new thread,


You should.




Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is 'annoyed' by 9/11 truth (http://911blogger.com/news/2010-07-22/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-annoyed-911-truth)


Is this guy just stupid? Or?




the 911blogger reader comments are very unforgiving of Assange's comment, suggest he's CIA limited hangout tool etc.


I'm right there with them. It appears he may be controlled "opposition." Releasing lukewarm, and effectively irrelevant data, while dismissing the most dangerous factual & active conspiracy in our lifetimes.

Assange is probably an asset of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Security_Intelligence_Organisation">ASIO</a>.

[gunDriller]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0Cc3LfhQ-o


Vomit.

totally pwned by Israel, the Jews, and American corporations.

why did she run for Senator in New York ?

[MAGNES]

Eventually the wars will be discredited, they don't care,
they have already pinned all of it on Bush even though
Obama is on the same program with a free pass from
the media.

9/11 exposure is their Achilles heel.

There are people within that damaged Bush and Co,
from military, all DIA, gov, etc, they fired many high
level people, many have forgotten this already, all the
leaks and scandals, totally discrediting wars and "wars on terror"
is the right road, more and more are speaking out on
9/11. It is already an open secret even among the
population.

The criminals want to be in Afghanistan for a long time.
The drug money goes directly into the pockets of the few.

They don't need and want damaging disclosure like this.
They work hard to get the media to ignore coverage.

I didn't even look at what was presented.
Site was going down last night.

We need to do some searches on the huge file,
see what is in there. Drugs and DU is what I am
interested in mostly. We all know everything is a lie.

Also, if I had my own thing going, I would distance
myself from 9/11 truth, why make it easy for them
to go after me, like they do, keep and open mind and
be smart. Look at what is happening with Iceland,
read my links above, it is real and not in the interest
of CIA you people are fingering, lol, all roads lead to
the few at the top. Expose real crimes and criminals
with real names, and it leads to them, like Bollyn,
Edmonds, NeoCons, etc, this site does not do enough
of that.

I have a lot of links, go through them.
Do your own searches online on leads.
Put me on the spot.

Download and search, more is coming they stated.
http://88.80.13.160/
Won't load, there is one huge file, download it.

[MAGNES]

You have been had.

Again.




Assange is probably an asset of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Security_Intelligence_Organisation">ASIO</a>.


So everyone should go home and not look at this, lol,
his site has a lot of very damaging and great material
on it, on Iceland swindle too, Jews involved did you know
that ?, Israel, lol , wiki actually went after the
Australian filter and damaged them.

Limited hangout is real and the security services do get into legit people.

9/11 is their Achilles heel, everything crashes, so the trench lines
to protect it may seem extreme and not believable.

You people actually believe there is no one fighting back in Mil, DIA, CIA ?

You must of missed what happened to Bush.

JAG lawyers from the very beginning in 2004 said it was a lie and
refused to co operate shafting innocent people. For one. And the
list is so long even I forgot a lot of it, names, etc, very damning
material. They stopped the Iran hit.

How about we look at the material, like Sibel Edmonds,
there is too much, real names, real criminals, etc,
how many of you here talk about that material ?
It is all there. Stuff you won't believe even.
Blackmail, on sex too, they really like their degenerates.

[cedarchopper]

The sheer volume of this release will take time to become relevant. These wars have been hidden from the American public for the most part. What makes this significant is the ability to create a time-line of events and make the story of how this has all gone down digestible. These docs are for the most part daily reports from the field, not sensational exposes', but put together as pieces of a puzzle, everybody will get the picture...and that is what they are afraid of. War crimes and crimes against humanity are what they fear.

[PatColo]

I wonder if wikileaks is the excuse they use to shutdown the internet

seems like it is getting a lot of attention on the MSM


If the Mighty Wurlitzer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mighty_Wurlitzer_%28media%29) is giving wikileaks a lot of attention, I would consider that evidence that wikileaks/Assange are indeed TPTB limited hangout tools (http://911blogger.com/news/2010-07-22/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-annoyed-911-truth). ;)




War crimes and crimes against humanity are what they fear.


Who's going to prosecute them? UN/World Court? Those tools are TPTB's global version of the BBB (http://www.educate-yourself.org/BBB/index.shtml).


When I was a kid, it was common to see a big decal on the windows of many offices and stores in the downtown area with the letters "BBB" on it. The letters stood for the "Better Business Bureau" and membership with that organization was suppose to be an assurance that the management of that store or company was interested in maintaining an ethical posture with the public. If a customer was mistreated in some fashion by a shoddy businessman or a clerk, you could always pick up the phone (or your pen) and log a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. Over the phone, you were told that your complaint would be properly addressed and that the owners of that company would be duly appraised of the foul deed and steps taken to assure that it wouldn't happen again. It was the norm in those days for customers to remind an abusive, surly, or non-cooperative clerk that they were prepared to make a complaint with the Better Business Bureau if their concerns was not met, and more often than not, it did seem to have the desired effect-at least with the clerk .

Of course, we were young and naive then. We thought that all was right with the world and that people meant what they said and said what they meant. Later on, we were to learn that the "BBB" was essentially a public relations gambit set up by local businessmen for the protection and welfare of their members and they were never really an advocate for customer's interests. The true purpose of the organization was to act as a shock absorber- absorbing the offended customer's anger and frustration and thus allowing it to dissipate into non-action. Without such a buffer in place, more than a few abused customers may have taken their grievance into a courtroom and settled there with monetary damages being awarded-and we couldn't have that now could we? Or perhaps, those irritated customers may have organized into their own customer rights advocacy groups and offered some real assertive action to the bon mots of the BBB. And we certainly couldn't have that either! So, for many decades, the BBB sham was played out in small and large towns across America, with most folks none the wiser.

[...] (http://www.educate-yourself.org/BBB/index.shtml)

[Phoenix]

Assange is probably an asset of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Security_Intelligence_Organisation">ASIO</a>.


So everyone should go home and not look at this, lol


Go ahead and look, I'm not stopping you.




his site has a lot of very damaging and great material
on it, on Iceland swindle too, Jews involved did you know
that ?, Israel, lol , wiki actually went after the
Australian filter and damaged them.


Focus on the smoke, and ignore the fire.




9/11 is their Achilles heel, everything crashes


And Assange trivializes it.




You people actually believe there is no one fighting back in Mil, DIA, CIA ?


Demon 1,342,866-AQ arguing with the Devil that the temperature should be 564,500 degrees instead of 564,000 degrees is not "fighting back."




You must of missed what happened to Bush.

JAG lawyers from the very beginning in 2004 said it was a lie and
refused to co operate shafting innocent people. For one. And the
list is so long even I forgot a lot of it, names, etc, very damning
material. They stopped the Iran hit.


They did?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=iran+attack&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS330US330&ie=UTF-8




How about we look at the material, like Sibel Edmonds,
there is too much, real names, real criminals, etc,
how many of you here talk about that material ?
It is all there. Stuff you won't believe even.
Blackmail, on sex too, they really like their degenerates.


A bunch of spew, like the "Pentagon Papers," which doesn't address the real story. A major distraction to keep the boobs occupied.

[Phoenix]

The sheer volume of this release will take time to become relevant. These wars have been hidden from the American public for the most part. What makes this significant is the ability to create a time-line of events and make the story of how this has all gone down digestible. These docs are for the most part daily reports from the field, not sensational exposes', but put together as pieces of a puzzle, everybody will get the picture...and that is what they are afraid of. War crimes and crimes against humanity are what they fear.


This stuff is "acceptable loss." A few small bones to keep the dogs away from the prime cuts on the BBQ around the corner. If there was anything truly damaging in Assange's files, the man would be dead, like <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1297444/KGB-agent-Boris-Karpichkovs-claim-David-Kelly-exterminated-faces-probe.html">Dr. David Kelly</a>.

[silver solution]

I wonder if wikileaks is the excuse they use to shutdown the internet

seems like it is getting a lot of attention on the MSM


If the Mighty Wurlitzer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mighty_Wurlitzer_%28media%29) is giving wikileaks a lot of attention, I would consider that evidence that wikileaks/Assange are indeed TPTB limited hangout tools (http://911blogger.com/news/2010-07-22/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-annoyed-911-truth). ;)




War crimes and crimes against humanity are what they fear.


Who's going to prosecute them? UN/World Court? Those tools are TPTB's global version of the BBB (http://www.educate-yourself.org/BBB/index.shtml).


When I was a kid, it was common to see a big decal on the windows of many offices and stores in the downtown area with the letters "BBB" on it. The letters stood for the "Better Business Bureau" and membership with that organization was suppose to be an assurance that the management of that store or company was interested in maintaining an ethical posture with the public. If a customer was mistreated in some fashion by a shoddy businessman or a clerk, you could always pick up the phone (or your pen) and log a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. Over the phone, you were told that your complaint would be properly addressed and that the owners of that company would be duly appraised of the foul deed and steps taken to assure that it wouldn't happen again. It was the norm in those days for customers to remind an abusive, surly, or non-cooperative clerk that they were prepared to make a complaint with the Better Business Bureau if their concerns was not met, and more often than not, it did seem to have the desired effect-at least with the clerk .

Of course, we were young and naive then. We thought that all was right with the world and that people meant what they said and said what they meant. Later on, we were to learn that the "BBB" was essentially a public relations gambit set up by local businessmen for the protection and welfare of their members and they were never really an advocate for customer's interests. The true purpose of the organization was to act as a shock absorber- absorbing the offended customer's anger and frustration and thus allowing it to dissipate into non-action. Without such a buffer in place, more than a few abused customers may have taken their grievance into a courtroom and settled there with monetary damages being awarded-and we couldn't have that now could we? Or perhaps, those irritated customers may have organized into their own customer rights advocacy groups and offered some real assertive action to the bon mots of the BBB. And we certainly couldn't have that either! So, for many decades, the BBB sham was played out in small and large towns across America, with most folks none the wiser.

[...] (http://www.educate-yourself.org/BBB/index.shtml)


You are right. Looked into all this stuff many years ago. Only one answer tar, feathers and rope if you get my drift.

[Phoenix]

Eventually the wars will be discredited, they don't care

Exactly, which is why Assange is ALLOWED to release this.

[Large Sarge]

Magnes is a very smart person,

I just see this story getting local, national , and international News coverage (every hour)

I guess worldwide today, maybe a billion+ people heard about wikileaks

now for the same media that can cover up a whopper of a lie like 9/11

How can they let this one go full bore??

Does that not raise some concerns?

like whats the end game?

and no one is seeing they (pentagon/military) are already saying "troops are going to die from this info being released"

And this guy assange, from what I have seen is giving interviews, etc (near celebrity status)

compare him to someone like Chris Bollyn or Prof Jones.?

I am telling you, if they blame enough troops being killed on this thing, they could declare it a national emergency, and shut down the web.

watch and see if the casualties start spiking

in any case, none of it adds up.

[dysgenic]

I haven't rolled up my sleeves and started digging yet in order to confim, but I'd bet my life that Assange is controlled opposition.
One of these days I'll take that project on, although I don't know why I even bother anymore. It seems like there is a snake under every rock I've ever turned over.
dys

[cedarchopper]

With you guys, everything is controlled opposition. And to an extent you are right, because full on opposition is full on hot war. Having said that, Wikileaks seems to me to be exposing information that has been withheld in these wars, information that flowed everyday during Vietnam. There was real reporting from Vietnam, and real footage of combat and dead people, including Americans.

Most Americans are barely aware we are at war, it is in the back of their minds...but this puts it in the front of their minds, just what the Gov doesn't want.

Personally, I think this is information about the wars. After this long at war, the cracks show up no matter how much it is repressed.

[Large Sarge]

With you guys, everything is controlled opposition. And to an extent you are right, because full on opposition is full on hot war. Having said that, Wikileaks seems to me to be exposing information that has been withheld in these wars, information that flowed everyday during Vietnam. There was real reporting from Vietnam, and real footage of combat and dead people, including Americans.

Most Americans are barely aware we are at war, it is in the back of their minds...but this puts it in the front of their minds, just what the Gov doesn't want.

Personally, think this is information about the wars. After this long at war, the cracks show up no matter how much it is repressed.


thats not true

I just wonder about full on media blitz about wikileaks, you cannot pay for the media coverage this thing is getting.

yet bring up chemtrails, 9/11, etc and you are laughed off stage.

am I the only one who finds this odd??

and the old "who benefits"?

why the sudden media shift??

[dysgenic]

Most everything and anyone famous IS controlled opposition. Alex Jones, Ron Paul, probably wikileaks, Glenn Beck, even a high percentage of the guys quoted in patriot documentaries. Their philosophy is that every group larger than 2 is too large and needs to be infiltrated and controlled. The movements of value are infiltrated and steered in calculated directions, subtly at first but significantly over time. The ops target specific types of people at various stages of their truth endowment. They use the satanic tactic of mixing lies with truth, as much truth as needed. The most evil of the disinformation agents are the ones that tell the most truth. They pretend to be what they hate.

James 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

dys




With you guys, everything is controlled opposition. And to an extent you are right, because full on opposition is full on hot war. Having said that, Wikileaks seems to me to be exposing information that has been withheld in these wars, information that flowed everyday during Vietnam. There was real reporting from Vietnam, and real footage of combat and dead people, including Americans.

Most Americans are barely aware we are at war, it is in the back of their minds...but this puts it in the front of their minds, just what the Gov doesn't want.

Personally, think this is information about the wars. After this long at war, the cracks show up no matter how much it is repressed.

[Phoenix]

With you guys, everything is controlled opposition.


And what if everything is controlled opposition?




Having said that, Wikileaks seems to me to be exposing information that has been withheld in these wars, information that flowed everyday during Vietnam.


Dr. David Kelly exposed information about the war. Dr. David Kelly was assassinated.

[Buster]

Personally I think he is the real deal. At least his own version of it.

Problem is everyone has an opinion of what the nature of the problem is and what the solution is. Maybe his contribution to the process of exposing the truth is giving other brave individuals the venue through which they can divulge documents that fill in the gaps in other peoples' knowledge.

Iceland may get its' revenge by becoming the safe harbor for such whistleblowing.

He!!, a real cynic could even suggest that the most effective controlled opposition are the people that do not allow that anyone can contribute to a great awakening, that everyone is controlled opposition.

[Phoenix]

Personally I think he is the real deal.


Real what deal?

NO ONE with the knowledge and access to intelligence that Assange has can rationally dispute that 9/11 did not occur as claimed. It is inconceivable that he believes the official story. I can only imagine how much material about the facts regarding 9/11 has been sent to him, only to be stuffed down the memory hole because he's not really interested in the Truth.

[Buster]

Personally I think he is the real deal.


Real what deal?

NO ONE with the knowledge and access to intelligence that Assange has can rationally dispute that 9/11 did not occur as claimed. It is inconceivable that he believes the official story. I can only imagine how much material about the facts regarding 9/11 has been sent to him, only to be stuffed down the memory hole because he's not really interested in the Truth.




From the 911 blogger:


Nobody is asking Mr. Assange to depart from his objective role, but now that he has spoken out, he deserves a reply. In both cases, clearly the terminology used is "conspiracy" or "cover-up". Bob Graham doesn't hold back and mentions "withholding of (..) secrets", chastising the Bush administration for being unapologetic, self-serving and obstructive. So it seems that Julian Assange, as the founder and director of an organization supposedly dedicated to supporting whistleblowers who expose government wrongdoing, has his work cut out for him, unless he is determined to be part of the problem. The perception management and misguided credibility building Mr. Assange seems so concerned with conflict with the stated mission of Wikleaks

As I said, his own version of it at least. For the time being this current document expose serves a purpose, i.e., to catch the attention of the general public. If he is just angling for a pulitzer well then it is shameful. If this gives momentum to the efforts to end the evil processes of war for profit and inspires other whistleblowers and the Citizens of Iceland to stand up against the international extortionists, then OK.

[MAGNES]

I just see this story getting local, national , and international News coverage (every hour)



Thanks.
I had a lot of questions myself and made many such remarks above,
don't know what some people here are reading, lol ,
Book answered my main first question fast, and you see how the media
having time to review it put the spin on it for more war, Pakistan running
organized efforts for the USA, they want to prolong this as long as possible.
Blame Pakistan and pin the whole show on them, they been threatened to do the
dirty work or else, they too were involved in 9/11.

Like I said above, if I had my own thing going I would stay away from 9/11.
That would be the smart thing to do, lest I have my legs cut out from under
me before I accomplished anything like many others like Bollyn. You people
here should be smarter than this. Staying away from any issue that could be
used to discredit you is a strategy, keeping your mouth shut on issues that
don't help your cause, why give them an in allow them to totally discredit you.
We will see what is coming. Or what is exposed. So far it is lies about
deaths, civilian and military, enough for other countries to walk away.

TWO GOOD LINKS, for the skeptics.

Wayne Madsen and John Young on Alex Jones,
what they discuss applies to Alex too mostly,
and everyone, lol , some skeptical analysis, lol ,
must listen to.

http://snardfarker.ning.com/video/john-young-alex-jones?xg_source=shorten_twitter

http://snardfarker.ning.com/video/wayne-madsen-alex-jones

More, to above links I gave, they are all related, McChrystal, Drugs, Israel, Iceland.

Iceland foreign affairs committee urges diplomatic split from Israel | IceNews - Daily News
http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2010/06/02/iceland-foreign-affairs-committee-urges-diplomatic-split-from-israel/

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0706/army-intel-analyst-charged-leak-iraq-shootings-video/
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/15/chile-becomes-first-country-to-guarantee-net-neutrality-we-star/
http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/what-will-icelands-new-media-laws-mean-for-journalists/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jul/12/iceland-legal-haven-journalists-immi
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25743.htm

Putting out damaging info on Afghanistan wars is not what the war party wants.

[MAGNES]

and the old "who benefits"?

why the sudden media shift??



I think Book and I were the first to address this in this thread Sarge.

Whatever is in there that is too damaging/revealing if anything will never see coverage,
like usual.

That video showing the gunning down of civilians recently got coverage.

What about all the related threads I put out above, it is all connected,
lots of coverage on McCrystal, drug barons even in press, why they
doing that to their partners ? They want to stay there long as possible.

And like you said they will use this to justify control of some kind, we will see.

They might even pin 9/11 on Pakistan and Iran, who knows, lol .

[MAGNES]

Dr. David Kelly exposed information about the war. Dr. David Kelly was assassinated.


That was a critical point of history, like other deaths, key person, key time, key issue.
Many of them. Kelly was not a good guy from what I remember reading, he went off
the reservation, which made him dangerous, he did evil work for an evil company,
he knew exactly what Iraq possessed, and threatened to expose the lies leading up to war.
They can't have an insider like that getting soft. What would he be revealing next ?

[Book]

and the old "who benefits"?

why the sudden media shift??



I think Book and I were the first to address this in this thread Sarge.



http://revolutionaryfrontlines.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/ellsberg_time1.jpg

http://60sfolksintheir60s.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/chicago7.jpg

Our jew-controlled media and congress (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-07-27/leaked-documents-underscore-lawmakers-concerns-on-afghan-war.html) staged this leak. The entire anti-war movement during the Viet Nam war was all jews. Read the comments of the head jew running things now:



“Some of these documents reinforce a longstanding concern of mine about the supporting role of some Pakistani officials in the Afghan insurgency,” Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat, said in a statement yesterday. The reports show “what’s been long known,” that the war effort lacked personnel and resources, Levin said. “That’s why President Obama ordered a new strategy” last year, he said.

The fix is in and the jew-controlled media has their talking points set to go before the November elections.

:oo-->

[Large Sarge]

here it comes

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/white-house-says-wikileaks-is-endangering-lives-2035678.html

"wikileaks is endagering lives"


bye bye internet

[Awoke]

here it comes

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/white-house-says-wikileaks-is-endangering-lives-2035678.html

"wikileaks is endagering lives"


bye bye internet




From a link on the page of that article, there was a poll whether Canada should continue to support the NATO mission with more troops.
When I voted "No", the vote was 70% against support, 29% for continuing support.

http://rm2.angusreidforum.com/LP/d58db0cba49e4de296fc0a0435173eb7/a.aspx?rm_state=b$0b2ec1b9dd9f459a8e82b6a043ba2f6d |e$0|l$0&gclid=CO3D1ZfUi6MCFQseDQod1gsmeg

[Awoke]

This last line sounded too kosher for my liking...



Lamo turned Manning in to US authorities, saying he could not live with the thought that those released documents might get someone killed.


So I did a super quick search to see if the term "Adrian Lamo jewish" would turn anything up.
Nothing conclusive, but my spidey sense is still tingling.



God Backs Hacker in DNA Dispute
By Wired Blogs June 15, 2006 | 12:18 am | Categories: Uncategorized

The genesis of hacker Adrian Lamo’s refusal to give the FBI a blood sample for DNA sequencing is, well … Genesis.

Lamo cites the Good Book repeatedly in a court filing this week, and even seems to borrow the prose style of his source material in his sworn affidavit, which makes the point that he offered his probation officer DNA samples in less liquid form.


I am not an unreasonable man. I understand that we live in modern times, and that I am called on to render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s. I offer up my hair follicles, my cheek swabs in the interests of justice. To the very hand of the probation office I offered an envelope with my hair; to the same hand I offered to pluck a hair from my brow and to clip the nails from my fingers.

The Book of Genesis leaves unambiguous this matter. Therein, those who would spill the blood of man are rebuked as follows: “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man.” Genesis 9:6 (New International Version). Under this admonition, not only would I be blinding myself to the direct instructions of scripture by shedding blood, but I would similarly be casting whomever facilitated this act into sin, multiplying my culpability.

Neither is this a sole warning, though a lone warning in scripture would carry no less weight than a multitude. When Cain slew Abel, the first words the Lord gave to him were “What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground.” Cain had not only killed, but he had spilled blood, and done so in sin, and this was first and foremost in the Lord’s rebuke to Cain.

To the contrary, the scripture is replete with references to the Lord calling for blood to be put to use for His own purposes. Clearly, while blood may flow, this is reserved for the Lord to decree, and not for His servants.


Now 18 months into a two-year probation sentence for hacking The New York Times, Lamo is known for a string of brazen, mostly-harmless hacks against large companies carried out from 2001-2004, in which he openly took credit for the intrusions.



More at link.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2006/06/god_backs_hacke/

It is of interest that he cited Old Testament exclusively, and didn't cite any New Testament scriptures.


Then there is this Twitter question, which is elusively answered with a quote from elsewhere:

The question:
http://twitter.com/6/statuses/16207507057
The reply:
http://www.formspring.me/disinformation/q/687198649?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=shareanswer


Adrians mother's maiden name (http://people.famouswhy.com/adrian_lamo/) is Atwood, which is not very indicative of anything.

[Book]

This last line sounded too kosher for my liking...



http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/techchron/2006/10/16/poulsen.jpg
Kevin Poulsen (right) with Adrian Lamo (left) and Kevin Mitnick (center).

TOTALLY KOSHER (http://www.nndb.com/people/448/000022382/)

Gee...how come Wikileaks (http://wikileaks.org/) hasn't leaked anything embarrassing about ZOG infestation of our Congress?

:oo-->

[cedarchopper]

This last line sounded too kosher for my liking...



http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/techchron/2006/10/16/poulsen.jpg
Kevin Poulsen (right) with Adrian Lamo (left) and Kevin Mitnick (center).

TOTALLY KOSHER (http://www.nndb.com/people/448/000022382/)

Gee...how come Wikileaks (http://wikileaks.org/) hasn't leaked anything embarrassing about ZOG infestation of our Congress?

:oo-->




Hmmm...Book, you seem intent on discrediting Wikileaks without discussing the merits or contents of the material leaked. You're a funny guy...do you have a MO?

Do you think Wikileaks should be focused over every issue? Are the Wars not significant enough to be a single focus?

[cedarchopper]

here it comes

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/white-house-says-wikileaks-is-endangering-lives-2035678.html

"wikileaks is endagering lives"


bye bye internet




The internet is primarily a business tool...every business has a portal to the internet, every start-up business begins with a website. Shutting the internet down would be the equivalent to shutting down every business in the US.

The only thing taking down the internet would be World War.

[Awoke]

I could be wrong, but I don't think Book is focused on discrediting Wikileaks completely.

The way I read it as though he is trying to bring an issue to the fore-front, which is their "Alex Jones" style of avoiding the jewish question.

[cedarchopper]

and the old "who benefits"?

why the sudden media shift??



I think Book and I were the first to address this in this thread Sarge.



http://revolutionaryfrontlines.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/ellsberg_time1.jpg

http://60sfolksintheir60s.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/chicago7.jpg

Our jew-controlled media and congress (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-07-27/leaked-documents-underscore-lawmakers-concerns-on-afghan-war.html) staged this leak. The entire anti-war movement during the Viet Nam war was all jews. Read the comments of the head jew running things now:



“Some of these documents reinforce a longstanding concern of mine about the supporting role of some Pakistani officials in the Afghan insurgency,” Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat, said in a statement yesterday. The reports show “what’s been long known,” that the war effort lacked personnel and resources, Levin said. “That’s why President Obama ordered a new strategy” last year, he said.

The fix is in and the jew-controlled media has their talking points set to go before the November elections.

:oo-->




The Vietnam War resistance was across the board, and you know that...you were around. To isolate the Vietnam War resistance as a Jewish phenom is not true. Were there Jews in positions of high profile, of course.

This Jew deal sure is handy for working both sides of every issue, doncha think, Book?

[cedarchopper]

I could be wrong, but I don't think Book is focused on discrediting Wikileaks completely.

The way I read it as though he is trying to bring an issue to the fore-front, which is their "Alex Jones" style of avoiding the jewish question.


The best way to have an impact is to stay focused and not be drawn into other controversies. If Wikileaks tried to expose Jewish power on every level, they would be labeled kooks. If they tried to expose 911 or Chemtrails, they would be labeled kooks.

A large portion of the American public has a connection to the military, either current or past service or a family member, so the Wars are especially important for the Government to keep control of the information...and the reason why Wikileaks is such a threat.

[Large Sarge]

the wars that benefit Israel directly ( the current fiascos) are much less likely to get any jewish groups to really organize and oppose it

[Book]

Do you think Wikileaks should be focused over every issue? Are the Wars not significant enough to be a single focus?



http://static.flickr.com/73/194170987_7e75805861.jpg

http://www.wired.com/news/images/full/beirut1_f.jpg

Jews in "Israel" used American-Made F-16s and American-Made cluster bombs to carpet bomb apartment buildings in Lebanon two years ago. Please link us to the Wikileaks exposing the Pentagon-Tel Aviv military equipment pipeline...lol.

:oo-->

P.S. Look at those photos and then ponder why "they hate America for our freedoms".

[Awoke]

That's bullshit CedarChopper. The only reason Wikileaks is considered a threat by the ZOG is because they have A LOT to HIDE from the SHEEPLE.

No other reason.

Transparency and accountability are paramount, and the ZOG and ZOM (Military) possess neither of those characteristics.

Let's not forget who the real terrorists are. The invaders.
Don't bother trying to persuade me otherwise.

[cedarchopper]

the wars that benefit Israel directly ( the current fiascos) are much less likely to get any jewish groups to really organize and oppose it




I don't disagree with that.

Wikileaks is having an impact globally, and the fact that the information they are exposing is opening up discussions about the Wars is an important development. It is like there has been gag on everybody (public) to really talk about these wars. Once the talking starts, it is hard to stop it, especially when lies get exposed.

[cedarchopper]

Do you think Wikileaks should be focused over every issue? Are the Wars not significant enough to be a single focus?



http://static.flickr.com/73/194170987_7e75805861.jpg

http://www.wired.com/news/images/full/beirut1_f.jpg

Jews in "Israel" used American-Made F-16s and American-Made cluster bombs to carpet bomb apartment buildings in Lebanon two years ago. Please link us to the Wikileaks exposing the Pentagon-Tel Aviv military equipment pipeline...lol.

:oo-->

P.S. Look at those photos and then ponder why "they hate America for our freedoms".






Do you know they haven't covered Israeli military attacks, or are you just hoping they haven't?

[cedarchopper]

[quote=Book ]
[quote=cedarchopper ]

Do you think Wikileaks should be focused over every issue? Are the Wars not significant enough to be a single focus?


Jews in "Israel" used American-Made F-16s and American-Made cluster bombs to carpet bomb apartment buildings in Lebanon two years ago. Please link us to the Wikileaks exposing the Pentagon-Tel Aviv military equipment pipeline...lol.

:oo-->

P.S. Look at those photos and then ponder why "they hate America for our freedoms".



Wikileaks has exposed many Israeli plots, crimes, and attacks. Here are some links for you Book, just like you asked.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=ekS&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&&sa=X&ei=DQVPTOCdB4_msQPzj6C1Bw&ved=0CBUQvwUoAQ&q=wikileaks+on+israeli+attacks&spell=1

[Book]

Here are some links for you Book, just like you asked.

Um change your "israel" to 'Disneyland" search and the same appears:

SAME JOOGLE SEARCH (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=wikileaks+on+Disneyland+attacks&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=)

:oo-->

[cedarchopper]

Well, how about this...Wikileaks on export of arms to Israel. I'll bet you could find lots of information about Israel at Wikileaks...Book :] But that is not what you are about, is it Book?

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Decommissioning_the_arms_trade

Decommissioning the arms trade
From WikiLeaks
Jump to: navigation, search

February 23, 2009

By Andrew Beckett (The Guardian)[1]

When government agencies cloak arms exports to Israel in secrecy, we have a moral and legal right to prevent their damage

During the night of January 17 2009, the last day of the Israeli attack on Gaza, six peace activists climbed the fence of a Brighton arms factory EDO MBM. Entering through broken windows and wielding hammers, they systematically smashed computers and machinery, and destroyed records. Hundreds of thousands of pounds' worth of damage was caused. They then lay down on the floor and waited to be arrested. Prior to the action, the six recorded their motivation in a video briefing. In the words of one protester, Elijah Smith:

"I don't feel I'm going to do anything illegal tonight, but I'm going to go into an arms factory and smash it up to the best of my ability so that it cannot actually work or produce munitions ... [which] have been provided to the Israeli army."

Four of the six are now out on strict bail conditions, while two, including Elijah Smith, are on remand in Lewes prison. While property was damaged, their actions involved no violence to persons.

more at the link:

[cedarchopper]

Hey, Book...do you think you have built up anti-Jew cred? :] Have you been activated to discredit Wikileaks, with all the credibility you have built up? LOL

[Book]

Hey, Book...do you think you have built up anti-Jew cred?



http://www.kawther.info/golani-crying.jpg

It's ok CC. Nothing personal intended in me commenting about Wikileaks and Israel...lol.

:oo-->

[cedarchopper]

Yeah, sure, Book...I know, it is all for "truth", right :] LOL

[Book]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/200/504792009_ed59f228e3.jpg

:)

[cedarchopper]

;D

[Book]

NYTimes already putting spin on it cherry picking, very interesting,
Obama expanded the NeoCon wars to Pakistan already, now this.
Pakistan is involved in 9/11 too working for/with USA/Israel/ZOG.

Pakistan Spy Service Aids Insurgents, Reports Assert
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/world/war-logs.html

NYTimes knew what was coming it seems.
How else could they be so fast sorting/reading.

WIKILEAKS WEBSITE, they go down sometimes, try later
http://88.80.13.160/

GREAT UPDATES ON TWITTER, if website is down get list of updates.
http://twitter.com/wikileaks


Seems to be top story so far.

Secret files: Wikileaks reveals 'unseen war'
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/international_politics/secret+files+wikileaks+exposes+aposunseen+afghan+w arapos/3723387

EXCLUSIVE: A major security breach reveals alleged "execution squads", an apparent plot to kill the Afghan president and previously unreported civilian deaths. Wikileaks editor Julian Assange speaks to Channel 4 News about his decision to leak the secret files online.


bump

[Awoke]

The mass media is all over this.

It serves a dual purpose:

1) Unveil some of the horrors and atrocities perptrated by the USA as israels proxy, in order to de-sensitize the public to homicidal pogroms

2) Frame Pakistan in order to justify the ZOG controlled USA's conquest across the middle east on israels behalf.

When CNN is spoonfeeding this shit to people like my Dad, you can assume this leak was controlled. Not to mention the huge drum roll leading up to the unveiling of this information.

Whoop-Ha! How TPTB are laughing as people slowly accept the murder and rape of innocent women and children.

[Horn]

http://www.80stees.com/images/products/Mushroom_Boy_t-shirt_link.jpg

http://www.i----i.org/mushroom.htm

[Awoke]

The mass media is all over this.

It serves a dual purpose:

1) Unveil some of the horrors and atrocities perptrated by the USA as israels proxy, in order to de-sensitize the public to homicidal pogroms

2) Frame Pakistan in order to justify the ZOG controlled USA's conquest across the middle east on israels behalf.

When CNN is spoonfeeding this sh*t to people like my Dad, you can assume this leak was controlled. Not to mention the huge drum roll leading up to the unveiling of this information.

Whoop-Ha! How TPTB are laughing as people slowly accept the murder and rape of innocent women and children.


http://www.80stees.com/images/products/Mushroom_Boy_t-shirt_link.jpg

http://www.i----i.org/mushroom.htm


How does your post to the philo-new-age/mysticism relate to my post on the 2 fold nature of the wikileak?

[Book]

The mass media is all over this.

It serves a dual purpose:




Barack Obama enlists Afghan war leaks in support of policy switch

Material cataloguing blunders justifies decision to deploy 30,000 more US troops, US president says

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/27/barack-obama-afghan-war-logs1

Yep.

:)

[Horn]

The mass media is all over this.

It serves a dual purpose:

1) Unveil some of the horrors and atrocities perptrated by the USA as israels proxy, in order to de-sensitize the public to homicidal pogroms

2) Frame Pakistan in order to justify the ZOG controlled USA's conquest across the middle east on israels behalf.

When CNN is spoonfeeding this sh*t to people like my Dad, you can assume this leak was controlled. Not to mention the huge drum roll leading up to the unveiling of this information.

Whoop-Ha! How TPTB are laughing as people slowly accept the murder and rape of innocent women and children.


http://www.80stees.com/images/products/Mushroom_Boy_t-shirt_link.jpg

http://www.i----i.org/mushroom.htm


How does your post to the philo-new-age/mysticism relate to my post on the 2 fold nature of the wikileak?


I have no idea what your talking about.

[iOWNme]

If one understands completely the Hegelian Dialectic process, there is no doubt this is all staged. TPTB CANT AFFORD to leave even a .01% to chance.

So they will 'demonize' a political 'administration', have some 'fancy hearings', and proceed to vote in the next guy to fix it all.

PROBLEM > REACTION > SOLUTION
ORDO AD CHAO
THESIS > ANTITHESIS > SYNTHESIS

The question becomes not 'Is the info accurate?' but becomes 'What are the sheep going to do with the info?' that will decide the fate of this country.

As is almost ALWAYS the case the information leaked is most likely EXTREMELY accurate, that is how true revolutions begin. But as long as all sides are controlled, the outcome will be steered toward the ultimate goal. In other words:

Question: WHAT THE f*ck ARE AMERICANS GOING TO DO ABOUT THE UNLAWFUL, UNCONSTITUTIONAL, ILLEGAL, FRAUDULENT, IMMORAL STATE OF AFFAIRS?

Answer: Lick the boots of the Stormtroopers while waiving flags and sinking in debt

[Phoenix]

Hmmm...Book, you seem intent on discrediting Wikileaks without discussing the merits or contents of the material leaked. You're a funny guy...do you have a MO?

Do you think Wikileaks should be focused over every issue? Are the Wars not significant enough to be a single focus?


The material leaked is as important as Obama's toilet-bound crossword puzzles. The "material leaked" is, as I mentioned before, a small bone tossed to keep the dogs away from the prime cuts sizzling on the BBQ around the corner.

The purpose of this material being "leaked" may very well be to "justify" further involvement in Pakistan.

[Phoenix]

here it comes

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/white-house-says-wikileaks-is-endangering-lives-2035678.html

"wikileaks is endagering lives"


bye bye internet



The internet is primarily a business tool...every business has a portal to the internet, every start-up business begins with a website. Shutting the internet down would be the equivalent to shutting down every business in the US.

The only thing taking down the internet would be World War.


It would take only a dozen phone calls to shut down the personal Internet connections for nearly every household in America. Of course they wouldn't shut down the Internet for corporatists; they're not a threat to their "god," the government.

[Horn]

here it comes

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/white-house-says-wikileaks-is-endangering-lives-2035678.html

"wikileaks is endagering lives"


bye bye internet



The internet is primarily a business tool...every business has a portal to the internet, every start-up business begins with a website. Shutting the internet down would be the equivalent to shutting down every business in the US.

The only thing taking down the internet would be World War.


It would take only a dozen phone calls to shut down the personal Internet connections for nearly every household in America. Of course they wouldn't shut down the Internet for corporatists; they're not a threat to their "god," the government.


Thank God for wireless.

Shutdown nah, British controls most likely.

It'll turn into T.V. if given the chance to.

[cedarchopper]

Hmmm...Book, you seem intent on discrediting Wikileaks without discussing the merits or contents of the material leaked. You're a funny guy...do you have a MO?

Do you think Wikileaks should be focused over every issue? Are the Wars not significant enough to be a single focus?


The material leaked is as important as Obama's toilet-bound crossword puzzles. The "material leaked" is, as I mentioned before, a small bone tossed to keep the dogs away from the prime cuts sizzling on the BBQ around the corner.

The purpose of this material being "leaked" may very well be to "justify" further involvement in Pakistan.


I love the smugness of internet know it all's. You've got it all figured out... everybody is controlled opposition and there is no truth except for that which you agree. LOL

Are you an investment adviser also? :]

[Phoenix]

The best way to have an impact is to stay focused and not be drawn into other controversies. If Wikileaks tried to expose Jewish power on every level, they would be labeled kooks. If they tried to expose 911 or Chemtrails, they would be labeled kooks.


The Jewsmedia has total power over who and what is labeled a "kook."

Those who promote "global warming" or "peak oil" are "visionaries," but those who demonstrate facts are "kooks."




A large portion of the American public has a connection to the military, either current or past service or a family member, so the Wars are especially important for the Government to keep control of the information...and the reason why Wikileaks is such a threat.


I would argue they are a NON-THREAT for the very same reason...so many in America do indeed have a connection to the MIC; military, ex-military, families of military/ex-military, cops, other "security" types, the "Intelligence" community, and so on. Wikileaks could publish material showing that US troops are eating the brains of Afghan babies, and it wouldn't change the position of the tens of millions of MIC associates..."we must win the 'global war on terror'."

The wars on untouchable, and IRRELEVANT data such as released changes nothing.

[JDRock]

This last line sounded too kosher for my liking...



http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/techchron/2006/10/16/poulsen.jpg
Kevin Poulsen (right) with Adrian Lamo (left) and Kevin Mitnick (center).

TOTALLY KOSHER (http://www.nndb.com/people/448/000022382/)

Gee...how come Wikileaks (http://wikileaks.org/) hasn't leaked anything embarrassing about ZOG infestation of our Congress?

:oo-->




DING DING DING! we have a winner.....

[Phoenix]

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Decommissioning_the_arms_trade

Decommissioning the arms trade
From WikiLeaks
Jump to: navigation, search

February 23, 2009

By Andrew Beckett (The Guardian)


That's not a leak; it's a newspaper article, reprinted.

Leak = original documents from inside the US Government signed by Israel-Firsters.

[Phoenix]

2) Frame Pakistan in order to justify the ZOG controlled USA's conquest across the middle east on israels behalf.


http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/2010/07/wikileaks-partners-ny-times-and.html

"Could the leaks be used to expand the war in Pakistan? Another 'never waste an opportunity' moment? The MSM is playing up this point. Will the American people ever say 'enough is enough?'"

[Phoenix]

I love the smugness of internet know it all's. You've got it all figured out... everybody is controlled opposition and there is no truth except for that which you agree. LOL


Who was it that said, "one of the first symptoms of the disease of liberalism is an inability to believe in conspiracies"?

[cedarchopper]

here it comes

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/white-house-says-wikileaks-is-endangering-lives-2035678.html

"wikileaks is endagering lives"


bye bye internet



The internet is primarily a business tool...every business has a portal to the internet, every start-up business begins with a website. Shutting the internet down would be the equivalent to shutting down every business in the US.

The only thing taking down the internet would be World War.


It would take only a dozen phone calls to shut down the personal Internet connections for nearly every household in America. Of course they wouldn't shut down the Internet for corporatists; they're not a threat to their "god," the government.


There is no logic to that, by shutting down personal internet connections, you shut off business to their customers...that isn't going happen. If business is shut down, nothing moves, including food.

These little chat sites on the internet are not what makes the internet powerful, it is the business aspect...that is all that has kept America from economic collapse. If the internet is shut down, the plug is pulled and all systems collapse...including water and electricity.

[Phoenix]

Let us all remember that one of the "justifications" for the war against the Iraqi people was due to a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries">"LEAK" regarding "that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."</a>

Most "leaks" from the US Government are "arranged" by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair">someone who wants the information out in the open</a>.

[cedarchopper]

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Decommissioning_the_arms_trade

Decommissioning the arms trade
From WikiLeaks
Jump to: navigation, search

February 23, 2009

By Andrew Beckett (The Guardian)


That's not a leak; it's a newspaper article, reprinted.

Leak = original documents from inside the US Government signed by Israel-Firsters.


Apparently, Wikileaks is an information website also, I'm guessing they are not a constant flow of leaks all day long. LOL

[Phoenix]

There is no logic to that, by shutting down personal internet connections, you shut off business to their customers...that isn't going happen.


No, no logic to that...

http://www.dba-oracle.com/images/tsa_profiling.jpg

ANYTHING is "justified" to fight "the global war on terror." E-commerce remains a fraction of local retail sales. Like Safeway and Kroger are going to cry if amazon.com can't get any orders.




If business is shut down, nothing moves, including food.


Business accounts would be left operational, with severe penalties for any business who allows "threats to national security" to be made using their business network.




These little chat sites on the internet are not what makes the internet powerful, it is the business aspect...that is all that has kept America from economic collapse. If the internet is shut down, the plug is pulled and all systems collapse...including water and electricity.


Do you not understand how the Internet works? Obama calls the heads of AT&T, Comcast, Time Warner, and a few other ISPs, and 95% of the personal connections are turned off within the hour. Just disable the password servers. It's easy, and it's COMING.

You are absolutely right: the Internet is for business. Hence, few will have much of a problem with their mundane personal web-browsing being turned off. After all, Dish Network still works!

[Phoenix]

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Decommissioning_the_arms_trade

Decommissioning the arms trade
From WikiLeaks
Jump to: navigation, search

February 23, 2009

By Andrew Beckett (The Guardian)


That's not a leak; it's a newspaper article, reprinted.

Leak = original documents from inside the US Government signed by Israel-Firsters.


Apparently, Wikileaks is an information website also, I'm guessing they are not a constant flow of leaks all day long. LOL



So you admit Wikileaks does not expose genuinely leaked information about Israel's ownership of the US Government?

[cedarchopper]

Let us all remember that one of the "justifications" for the war against the Iraqi people was due to a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries">"LEAK" regarding "that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."</a>

Most "leaks" from the US Government are "arranged" by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair">someone who wants the information out in the open</a>.


You are making a false association to the government lying for purposes of war with a foreign group attempting to focus light on the lies of these very same people. You seem to have a disconnect...Wikileaks is exposing information that proves the government is lying...that is big deal. When people don't trust the government, they lose power. Governments don't like to lose power, that is why they are in high gear trying to discredit the information...kinda like how you are doing :]

[Book]

Governments don't like to lose power, that is why they are in high gear trying to discredit the information...kinda like how you are doing :]



Interesting. cedarhopper is also following me around threads calling me "liar" whenever I mention Israel...lol.

:D

[Phoenix]

This is the type of scumbag behavior Wikileaks has been involved in in the past:


http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/features/wanted-by-the-cia-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-14880073.html#

"The BNP membership list

"After the site published the BNP's secret membership list in November 2008, newspapers found teachers, priests and police officers among them. Another list was leaked last year. The police has since barred officers from membership."


Yeah, Wikileaks, "defenders of democracy." ::)

How about a list of Freemasons in government? Or Jews in government?

[Phoenix]

You are making a false association to the government lying for purposes of war with a foreign group attempting to focus light on the lies of these very same people. You seem to have a disconnect...Wikileaks is exposing information that proves the government is lying...that is big deal. When people don't trust the government, they lose power. Governments don't like to lose power, that is why they are in high gear trying to discredit the information...kinda like how you are doing :]


You are attempting to CON GS-US readers into believing that Assange is not a stooge of the CIA. You are attempting to CON GS-US readers into believing this information is really damning of anything, or that it will change one damn thing for the better.

[cedarchopper]

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Decommissioning_the_arms_trade

Decommissioning the arms trade
From WikiLeaks
Jump to: navigation, search

February 23, 2009

By Andrew Beckett (The Guardian)


That's not a leak; it's a newspaper article, reprinted.

Leak = original documents from inside the US Government signed by Israel-Firsters.


Apparently, Wikileaks is an information website also, I'm guessing they are not a constant flow of leaks all day long. LOL



So you admit Wikileaks does not expose genuinely leaked information about Israel's ownership of the US Government?


I don't admit that at all. I'm not a frequent visitor to their website so I can't speak authoritatively on this, but from a brief amount of research, Wikilinks appears to tie Israel into the whole war story.

Have you research it? If not, why are you trying to paint them as disingenuous? Don't you think this leaked information needs some time to see how it affects public opinion?

[Phoenix]

Have you research it?


YES.

If Wikileaks had released anything about Israel, it would be painted as "anti-Semitic," and such a "crime" would be listed here, quite prominently:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikileaks

[cedarchopper]

You are making a false association to the government lying for purposes of war with a foreign group attempting to focus light on the lies of these very same people. You seem to have a disconnect...Wikileaks is exposing information that proves the government is lying...that is big deal. When people don't trust the government, they lose power. Governments don't like to lose power, that is why they are in high gear trying to discredit the information...kinda like how you are doing :]


You are attempting to CON GS-US readers into believing that Assange is not a stooge of the CIA. Your are attempting to CON GS-US readers into believing this information is really damning of anything, or that it will change one damn thing for the better.


Not at all, I'm saying exposing lies about the Wars, exposing personal battle accounts and reports from the field...that have been withheld by the Pentagon and the Feds because it is counter to the controlled information that the public has received through the media, is important information.

How things will play out is not my main point...but, that the information becomes part of the public record, and therefore, a basis to expose lies...years of them.

[Phoenix]

Wayne Madsen on Wikileaks:

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20100325_3

(full text at: http://arthurzbygniew.blogspot.com/2010/03/soros-co-back-wikileaks-kosher-mob-oval.html)


March 25-26, 2010

Suspicions abound that Wikileaks is part of U.S. cyber-warfare operations

WMR has learned from Asian intelligence sources that there is a strong belief in some Asian countries, particularly China and Thailand, that the website Wikileaks, which purports to publish classified and sensitive documents while guaranteeing anonymity to the providers, is linked to U.S. cyber-warfare and computer espionage operations, as well as to Mossad's own cyber-warfare activities.

Wikileaks claims to have decrypted video footage of a U.S. Predator air strike on civilians in Afghanistan and that covert U.S. State Department agents followed Wikileaks's editor from Iceland to Norway in a surveillance operation conducted jointly by the United States and Iceland. Iceland's financially-strapped government recently announced a policy of becoming a haven for websites that fear political oppression and censorship in their home countries. However, in the case of Wikileaks, countries like China and Thailand are suspicious of the websites' actual "ownership."

Wikileaks says it intends to show its video at an April 5 press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, DC but that its presenters may be detained or arrested before that time. WMR's sources believe the Wikileaks "militancy" in the face of supposed surveillance appears fake.

Our Asian intelligence sources report the following: "Wikileaks is running a disinformation campaign, crying persecution by U.S. intelligence- when it is U.S. intelligence itself. Its [Wikileaks'] activities in Iceland are totally suspect." Wikileaks claims it is the victim of a new COINTELPRO [Counter Intelligence Program] operation directed by the Pentagon and various U.S. intelligence agencies. WMR's sources believe that it is Wikileaks that is part and parcel of a cyber-COINTELPRO campaign, such as that proposed by President Obama's "information czar," Dr. Cass Sunstein.

In January 2007, John Young, who runs cryptome.org, a site that publishes a wealth of sensitive and classified information, left Wikileaks, claiming the operation was a CIA front. Young also published some 150 email messages sent by Wikileaks activists on cryptome. They include a disparaging comment about this editor by Wikileaks co-founder Dr. Julian Assange of Australia. Assange lists as one of his professions "hacker." His German co-founder of Wikileaks uses a pseudonym, "Daniel Schmitt."

Wikileaks claims it is "a multi-jurisdictional organization to protect internal dissidents, whistleblowers, journalists and bloggers who face legal or other threats related to publishing" [whose] primary interest is in exposing oppressive regimes in Asia, the former Soviet bloc, Sub-Saharan Africa and the Middle East, but we are of assistance to people of all nations who wish to reveal unethical behavior in their governments and corporations. We aim for maximum political impact. We have received over 1.2 million documents so far from dissident communities and anonymous sources."

In China, Wikileaks is suspected of having Mossad connections. It is pointed out that its first "leak" was from an Al Shabbab "insider" in Somalia. Al Shabbab is the Muslim insurgent group that the neocons have linked to "Al Qaeda."

Asian intelligence sources also point out that Assange's "PhD" is from Moffett University, an on-line diploma mill and that while he is said to hail from Nairobi, Kenya, he actually in from Australia where his exploits have included computer hacking and software piracy.

WMR has confirmed Young's contention that Wikileaks is a CIA front operation. Wikileaks is intimately involved in a $20 million CIA operation that U.S.-based Chinese dissidents that hack into computers in China. Some of the Chinese hackers route special hacking program through Chinese computers that then target U.S. government and military computer systems. After this hacking is accomplished, the U.S. government announces through friendly media outlets that U.S. computers have been subjected to a Chinese cyber-attack. The "threat" increases an already-bloated cyber-defense and offense budget and plays into the fears of the American public and businesses that heavily rely on information technology.

It is also pointed out that on Wikileaks advisory board is Ben Laurie, a one-time programmer and Internet security expert for Google, which recently signed a cooperative agreement with the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) and has been charged by China with being part of a U.S. cyber-espionage campaign against China. Other Wikileaks advisory members are leading Chinese dissidents, including Wan Dan, who won the 1998 National Endowment for Democracy (NED) Democracy Award; Wang Youcai, founder of the Chinese Democracy Party; Xiao Qiang, the director of the China Internet Project at the University of California at Berkeley, member of the advisory board of the International Campaign for Tibet, and commentator on the George Soros-affiliated Radio Free Asia; and Tibetan exile and activist Tashi Namgyal Khamsitsang.

Our sources in Asia believe that Wikileaks ran afoul of their CIA paymasters after it was discovered that some of Wikileaks's "take" was being diverted to Mossad instead of to their benefactors at Langley. After a CIA cur-off in funding, "Daniel Schmitt" took over and moved the Wikileaks operation to Belgium and Sweden with hopes of making a more secure base in Iceland.

There are strong suspicions that Wikileaks is yet another Soros-funded "false flag" operation on the left side of the political spectrum. WMR has learned that after former Senator Norm Coleman (R-MN) decided to oppose Soros's choice of UN Secretary General Kofi Annan's deputy Mark Malloch Brown as President of the World Bank, succedding the disgraced Paul Wolfowitz, Soros put the Wikileaks operation into high gear. "Daniel Schmitt" hacked into Coleman's supporters list, stealing credit card info, addresses, and publishing the "take" on Wikileaks. Democrat Al Franken, who was strongly backed by Soros, defeated Coleman in a legally-contested and very close election.

It is also believed by informed sources that Soros is behind the operation to move Wikileaks to Iceland. By becoming a power in Iceland, Soros can prevent Icelanders from paying back the British and Dutch investors in Icelandic online Ponzi scheme banking and continue his all-out war against British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, who has, in turn, targeted Soros for betting against pound sterling.

Iceland is classic prey for Soros. The Icelandic krona has been decimated as a currency and has no where to go but up in value, especially if the British pound and the euro depreciate. Soros is currently talking down the euro, planning its fall and shorting it, just like he did versus the pound in London in the 1980s. After the UK's and Europe's currencies are devalued, Soros will buy every euro note in sight, thus making trillions.

Soros and his Wikileaks friends have in Iceland a practically unregulated banking system desperate for an influx of capital -- money that will come from the exiled Russian tycoons in Israel, London and the United States. Israeli investors like Bank Leumi, and awash in siphoned-off Bernard Madoff cash, will do their bit for this smash-and-grab operation by Soros's Quantum-linked hedge funds.

With Wikileaks firmly ensconced in Iceland, the "brave" and much-heralded information leakers will run an international blackmail operation against Soros's foes and launch computer break-ins against Soros's business rivals and non-Quantum banks. Wikileaks will be used as the info-hitmen against President Obama's and Rahm Emanuel's enemies in the 2012 re-election campaign.

From Iceland, Soros will be well-positioned to gain control over the massive mineral resources under the melting ice sheet of Greenland. Under the ice are the only major rare-earth deposits outside of China and with such minerals at his disposal, Soros can control the world's electronics industries. This past week's volcanic activity in Iceland could, however, disrupt or destroy Soros's plans to establish and control a North American-European gateway in Iceland.

The following are some of the emails Young revealed in his exposure of Wikileaks's CIA connections (as well as to the Russian "phishing" Mafia, an operation run by Russian-Israeli Jews using Israel as a base) [Note: in the second email, "JYA" is a reference to John Young Associates]:

(available at links)

[Phoenix]

Not at all, I'm saying exposing lies about the Wars, exposing personal battle accounts and reports from the field...that have been withheld by the Pentagon and the Feds because it is counter to the controlled information that the public has received through the media, is important information.


Why and for whom?

[Phoenix]

The United States Air Force's 24th Air Force:

http://www.24af.af.mil/


The 67th Network Warfare Wing:

http://www.24af.af.mil/units/67nww.asp


FIVE Network Warfare Squadrons:

http://www.24af.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=15332



(yes, these are REAL - note the URLs)

[cedarchopper]

Governments don't like to lose power, that is why they are in high gear trying to discredit the information...kinda like how you are doing :]



Interesting. cedarhopper is also following me around threads calling me "liar" whenever I mention Israel...lol.

:D


There you go again, lying. You are the one trying to use your faux Israel MO to discredit Wikileaks, implying they are not legit because you falsely claim they don't focus on Israel...which is more of your disinfo tactic and part of your sneaky style. You are playing both sides here, acting like you have some anti- Israeli cred and that this is your opportunity to use it...you have none with me. You have a strong "aroma" about you.

[Book]

Governments don't like to lose power, that is why they are in high gear trying to discredit the information...kinda like how you are doing :]



Interesting. cedarhopper is also following me around threads calling me "liar" whenever I mention Israel...lol.

:D


There you go again, lying. You are the one trying to use your faux Israel MO to discredit Wikileaks, implying they are not legit because you falsely claim they don't focus on Israel...which is more of your disinfo tactic and part of your sneaky style. You are playing both sides here, acting like you have some anti- Israeli cred and that this is your opportunity to use it...you have none with me. You have a strong "aroma" about you.


:oo-->

[LuckyStrike]

If Wikileaks had released anything about Israel, it would be painted as "anti-Semitic," and such a "crime" would be listed here, quite prominently:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikileaks




They can't post things if people don't leak it.

Here are 2 reports about kikestan

http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/CIA_OSC:_Secret_Israeli_database_shows_full_extent _of_illegal_settlements,_Apr_2009

http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Secret_Israeli_defense_database_shows_full_extent_ of_illegal_settlements,_2009

[cedarchopper]

If Wikileaks had released anything about Israel, it would be painted as "anti-Semitic," and such a "crime" would be listed here, quite prominently:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikileaks




They can't post things if people don't leak it.

Here are 2 reports about k-wordstan

http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/CIA_OSC:_Secret_Israeli_database_shows_full_extent _of_illegal_settlements,_Apr_2009

http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Secret_Israeli_defense_database_shows_full_extent_ of_illegal_settlements,_2009



Exposing the full extent of the Israeli illegal settlements gives them even more cred with me...it is very dangerous messing with Israel/Mossad.

[Book]

...it is very dangerous messing with Israel/Mossad.



http://www.jewishjournal.com/images/articles/com_foxman-abe_110708.jpg

Wikileaks get their letter spanking from Abe Foxman of the ADL yet?

:oo-->

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1048/1137783656_63dc60346e.jpg

[JDRock]

Cchopper u r getting owned here time to throw in the towel

[cedarchopper]

Book, you're such a sneaky disingenuous character. Do you really think the consequences of exposing the details and extent of Israel's illegal settlements on Palestinian land is responded to with a letter? You post pictures of Israeli bombings for your faux cred, but you mock information that is factual and damning.

[cedarchopper]

Cchopper u r getting owned here time to throw in the towel


Owned by who? Only a chump would fall for Book's disinfo tactics.

Book can't even write a paragraph or explain his positions, all he can do is attempt to mock.

[Phoenix]

If Wikileaks had released anything about Israel, it would be painted as "anti-Semitic," and such a "crime" would be listed here, quite prominently:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikileaks




They can't post things if people don't leak it.

Here are 2 reports about k-wordstan

http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/CIA_OSC:_Secret_Israeli_database_shows_full_extent _of_illegal_settlements,_Apr_2009

http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Secret_Israeli_defense_database_shows_full_extent_ of_illegal_settlements,_2009



"Secret illegal settlements" ain't secret if the people who lived in the bulldozed homes know about them!!

Again: Wikileaks provides nothing of import.

[Phoenix]

Cchopper u r getting owned here time to throw in the towel


Owned by who? Only a chump would fall for Book's disinfo tactics.

Book can't even write a paragraph or explain his positions, all he can is attempt to mock.


Book has kept his cool throughout this thread, while you've turned redder than that cedar...we don't actually need to see your face.

[Book]

There you go again, lying. You are the one trying to use your faux Israel MO to discredit Wikileaks, implying they are not legit because you falsely claim they don't focus on Israel...which is more of your disinfo tactic and part of your sneaky style. You are playing both sides here, acting like you have some anti- Israeli cred and that this is your opportunity to use it...you have none with me. You have a strong "aroma" about you.



http://www.crayoncastles.com/i/Teamson/NEW_TIME_OUT_FROG.jpg

Take a break buddy before you get into trouble...lol.

:D

[LuckyStrike]

"Secret illegal settlements" ain't secret if the people who lived in the bulldozed homes know about them!!

Again: Wikileaks provides nothing of import.


I agree that those are small potatoes compared to the atrocities committed by K I K E estan but there are several more things on the site and as I said if nobody leaks they can't post them. So it can't be proved that they are purposefully withholding that kind of info.

I take it that the Collateral Murder video or now this Afghan War Diary isn't significant in your mind? I'm honestly curious as to what you would consider important.

I haven't read through this whole thread but whats the beef with Julian Assange (other than his 911 comments)

[cedarchopper]

Cchopper u r getting owned here time to throw in the towel


Owned by who? Only a chump would fall for Book's disinfo tactics.

Book can't even write a paragraph or explain his positions, all he can is attempt to mock.


Book has kept his cool throughout this thread, while you've turned redder than that cedar...we don't actually need to see your face.


Haha, you're funny for someone with your history.

[cedarchopper]

There you go again, lying. You are the one trying to use your faux Israel MO to discredit Wikileaks, implying they are not legit because you falsely claim they don't focus on Israel...which is more of your disinfo tactic and part of your sneaky style. You are playing both sides here, acting like you have some anti- Israeli cred and that this is your opportunity to use it...you have none with me. You have a strong "aroma" about you.



Take a break buddy before you get into trouble...lol.

:D


What kind of trouble? Trouble for shining a little light on your tricky little games?

[Phoenix]

So it can't be proved that they are purposefully withholding that kind of info.


I've no doubt that Assange has received a mountain of evidence he won't consider regarding 9/11.

The entire war is an atrocity, so material regarding specific atrocities is irrelevant.

[Phoenix]

Haha, you're funny for someone with your history.


Am I? Lay it out, go for it. To what do you refer?

You've been deflated in this thread, and now you're mad. It's OK to be wrong once in awhile, cedarchopper.

[cedarchopper]

Haha, you're funny for someone with your history.


Am I? Lay it out, go for it. To what do you refer?

You've been deflated in this thread, and now you're mad. It's OK to be wrong once in awhile, cedarchopper.


The only thing I see deflated in this thread is your attempt to paint the Wikileak information as disinfo. You guys that posts 1000's of times a month think volume is content...it goes to your head. But it is a delusion.

Do you want to take this to Thunderdome, PPT?

[Phoenix]

Do you want to take this to Thunderdome, PPT?


Take what there? You're free to lay out FACTS here. Go for it.

And again, my name is not "PPT." Can't get that right, likely can't get much right.

[LuckyStrike]

The entire war is an atrocity, so material regarding specific atrocities is irrelevant.


I agree but it seems as though no leak will be good enough for you. I mean damn you guys can be a hard to please bunch.

Something I have to remind myself often is that people are on a different place on the road, it's no different just because they are well known household name folks. Now I'm not saying that gives everyone a free pass clearly Alex jones, beck limbaugh hannity etc. Have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are jew shills and clearly derailing people.

As for most of the others such as Assange I'm still in the phase of cutting him slack, same as I do Ron Paul.

[Book]

As for most of the others such as Assange I'm still in the phase of cutting him slack...



Me too.

:)

[Awoke]

Have you research it? If not, why are you trying to paint them as disingenuous? Don't you think this leaked information needs some time to see how it affects public opinion?


Do you research it? If so, lay down your cards. If not, why are you so intent on defending the honour of these Wikileaks, and smearing Book through the mud?



acting like you have some anti- Israeli cred and that this is your opportunity to use it...you have none with me. You have a strong "aroma" about you.


Since when does anyone require "Anti-israel" credibility "with you" in order to post about the conspiracy?
What makes your opinion so important? Are you some sort of expert with some sort of credentials we should be aware of?




Wayne Madsen on Wikileaks:

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20100325_3

(full text at: http://arthurzbygniew.blogspot.com/2010/03/soros-co-back-wikileaks-kosher-mob-oval.html)


March 25-26, 2010

Suspicions abound that Wikileaks is part of U.S. cyber-warfare operations

WMR has learned from Asian intelligence sources that there is a strong belief in some Asian countries, particularly China and Thailand, that the website Wikileaks, which purports to publish classified and sensitive documents while guaranteeing anonymity to the providers, is linked to U.S. cyber-warfare and computer espionage operations, as well as to Mossad's own cyber-warfare activities.


See my post on what I believe the two-fold purpose is of this "leak".

(read: Psy-op)
(read: Invasion of more countries)

[sirgonzo420]

Yes, israel is horrible, but must EVERYTHING mention israel and her misdeeds?

Jesus.

[Large Sarge]

for a media that spoon fed the american public, and waved the flag for 9 years, to suddenly go viral on this "top secret leak" should raise the suspicions of anyone watching it.

Where was the media coverage at the BP oil disaster?

They can set $40,000 fines and a felony for walking w/ a camera near a beach, but the same govt/media can let you see classified military papers (92,000 of them)

and the person responsible is giving interviews, has speaking engagements, etc

no one else sees the disconnect?

[Awoke]

Yes, israel is horrible, but must EVERYTHING mention israel and her misdeeds?


"Her" misdeeds?

As long as they continue to have a hand in everything, I will continue to mention that fiat state.
Part of the problem is that not enough people are mentioning "her misdeeds".

Why else would their be laws put in place to supress "anti-semetism"?



Jesus.


...is Lord.

[Phoenix]

Yes, israel is horrible, but must EVERYTHING mention israel and her misdeeds?

Jesus.


What is the nexus of all geopolitical evil in the world?

ISRAEL

[sirgonzo420]

Yes, israel is horrible, but must EVERYTHING mention israel and her misdeeds?

Jesus.


What is the nexus of all geopolitical evil in the world?

ISRAEL


Sure, but a guy ought to be able to do something not israel related and it still be worthwhile.

[Phoenix]

Yes, israel is horrible, but must EVERYTHING mention israel and her misdeeds?

Jesus.


What is the nexus of all geopolitical evil in the world?

ISRAEL


Sure, but a guy ought to be able to do something not israel related and it still be worthwhile.


Of course, but Wikileaks is all non-Israel related, except for a few Milk Bones once in a while.

[Libertarian_Guard]

Yes, israel is horrible, but must EVERYTHING mention israel and her misdeeds?

Jesus.


And 9/11 within the very same breath, otherwise it MUST be disinformation, under the cover of the jewish mafia that somehow plays the entire world like a yoyo, forever getting whomever they wish, in and out of wars!

What a laugh!

Anyhow, I say give the wikileaks time to play out. There is no need for a rush to judgement here.

[DMac]

Yes, israel is horrible, but must EVERYTHING mention israel and her misdeeds?

Jesus.


And 9/11 within the very same breath, otherwise it MUST be disinformation, under the cover of the jewish mafia that somehow plays the entire world like a yoyo, forever getting whomever they wish, in and out of wars!

What a laugh!

Anyhow, I say give the wikileaks time to play out. There is no need for a rush to judgement here.




Wikileaks guy is selling the Bin Laden did 911 conspiracy. Something is rotten in Iceland.

[dysgenic]

I caught an interview this morning with Assange and MSM. The entire thing was basically an advertising piece pushing the notion that these leaked documents will cost lives of American soldiers. The questions predicably revolved around terrorists from Arab nations. Assange was transparent in his nondescript, cryptic answers. He was reportedly live from one of the occult centers of the world, London.

Let's get real for a second. The original story was that this cat was hunkered down in various foreign countries (I think I heard Russia at one point but I'm not positive), with crazy technology that made it impossible for 'them' to pinpoint his exact location, and no one could find him. Now this guy casually strolls into downtown London and MSNBC wants to hear about all the stuff they have formerly been ignoring? And no one arrests or kills him, immediately after he releases 90,000 sensitive documents?

We've seen the MSM shun anyone that has the sand to tell the truth. We've seen it for years. We've seen it forever. The government ruins anyone that exposes 1/10 the info that this guy has. Failing that, they imprison them. Failing that, they kill them. But all of a sudden the government has gone soft and the MSM is interested in doing the right thing? Come on now.

I see the purpose of this as 2 fold:
1. It's an attack on the free flow of information. We can't have wild west cowboys like Assange running around anymore, because it helps the bad terrorists that hate us for our freedom kill innocent American soldiers.
2. It's one of the first steps in taking off their masks.

These may seem contradictory, but if you understand the way that they think, it isn't. They are targeting different groups with different purposes.

[MAGNES]

The entire war is an atrocity, so material regarding specific atrocities is irrelevant.


According to your standards and reasoning here nobody would learn anything,
everyone is an agent, don't post anything, if someone doesn't expose Israel
and 9/11 they are tools, etc, wiki at the very least right now is bringing attention
to a quagmire that they are trying to keep under raps, right after a major
atrocity video they released, right after McCrystal spit and swore at everyone
and suicided himself deliberately. What about all the leaks in the BushCon Admin.
People have short memories, they destroyed him, maybe stopped Iran hit.

CedarChopper has made some good points.

As far as being a skeptic I was the first to comment on that spin.
Book came in with info that smells like sh*t, media had time to review.
Like they are going to report the right thing for once, lol .

Have a look at the great interviews I posted.
They make all kinds of points and ask questions, pro and con.




TWO GOOD LINKS, for the skeptics.

Wayne Madsen and John Young on Alex Jones,
what they discuss applies to Alex too mostly,
and everyone, lol , some skeptical analysis, lol ,
must listen to.

http://snardfarker.ning.com/video/john-young-alex-jones?xg_source=shorten_twitter

http://snardfarker.ning.com/video/wayne-madsen-alex-jones

More, to above links I gave, they are all related, McChrystal, Drugs, Israel, Iceland.

Iceland foreign affairs committee urges diplomatic split from Israel | IceNews - Daily News
http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2010/06/02/iceland-foreign-affairs-committee-urges-diplomatic-split-from-israel/

[ exposure ]
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0706/army-intel-analyst-charged-leak-iraq-shootings-video/
[ ZOG does not want media haven ]
http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/what-will-icelands-new-media-laws-mean-for-journalists/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jul/12/iceland-legal-haven-journalists-immi
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25743.htm

Putting out damaging info on Afghanistan wars is not what the war party wants.

[dysgenic]

Addendum to my last post:

One of the most interesting parts of the interview was a line of questioning that had them pressing him on the fact that he never read most of the documents that he posted. The subtle implication was that he should be held accountable for whatever damage ("collateral damage"- they called it) these documents 'created'. This all ties into the multiple prosecutions we've seen recently for crimes that were commited as a result of what people post online (that's the company line, not the reality), the cyber bullying act, the push towards eliminating anonymous message forum posts, et al.

Isn't it ironic that these media pimps are so concerned about Assange failing to read these documents, but they couldn't care less about politicians voting on laws they don't read?

Bottom line: this wikileaks scandal is going to used to ramp up internet control.

dys

[Book]

Yes, israel is horrible, but must EVERYTHING mention israel and her misdeeds?

Jesus.


You mean "Oy Vey!"

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20278

:oo-->

[LuckyStrike]

Wikileaks guy is selling the Bin Laden did 911 conspiracy. Something is rotten in Iceland.




I don't think he is "selling" anything. He was asked about 9/11 and gave an answer he doesn't go around shilling like jones limbaugh, beck hannity etc.

I do find it hard to believe that someone in his position would not have looked extensively into 9/11 but I assume it is possible. I would've given a very similar answer 5 years ago regarding 9/11 and it wasn't until I kept and open mind and did the research that I reached a different conclusion than I had previous.

So I stand by my original argument, I see no reason to rush to judgment about Assange or Wikileaks I will see how things play out over time if he continually misdirects people from things that I know to be the Truth than I will conclude that he is controlled, however between now and then I reserve judgment.

[dysgenic]

There are plenty of reasons to judge Assange as controlled opposition, you just choose to ignore them.

dys










Wikileaks guy is selling the Bin Laden did 911 conspiracy. Something is rotten in Iceland.




I don't think he is "selling" anything. He was asked about 9/11 and gave an answer he doesn't go around shilling like jones limbaugh, beck hannity etc.

I do find it hard to believe that someone in his position would not have looked extensively into 9/11 but I assume it is possible. I would've given a very similar answer 5 years ago regarding 9/11 and it wasn't until I kept and open mind and did the research that I reached a different conclusion than I had previous.

So I stand by my original argument, I see no reason to rush to judgment about Assange or Wikileaks I will see how things play out over time if he continually misdirects people from things that I know to be the Truth than I will conclude that he is controlled, however between now and then I reserve judgment.

[LuckyStrike]

There are plenty of reasons to judge Assange as controlled opposition, you just choose to ignore them.

dys



Alright I'll start the list and you continue it.

1. Upheld the governments version of 9/11
2. (fill in the blank)

[dysgenic]

2. The mysterious and sudden emergence of Assange from the shadows into the spotlight
3. MSM coverage, lots of it
4. What is he doing in London?
5. Cryptome owner accusations
6. GIM1 website memory holed, but not Wikileaks???
7. Watch the way he answers the questions in MSM interviews.
8. He is still alive.
9. He is not in jail.

I can smell this one a mile away. It stinks.

dys

ps- I respectfully ask that you remove my last 2 thanks on this thread, they were misclicks. Sorry.







There are plenty of reasons to judge Assange as controlled opposition, you just choose to ignore them.

dys



Alright I'll start the list and you continue it.

1. Upheld the governments version of 9/11
2. (fill in the blank)

[LuckyStrike]

2. The mysterious and sudden emergence of Assange from the shadows into the spotlight
3. MSM coverage, lots of it
4. What is he doing in London?
5. Cryptome owner accusations
6. GIM1 website memory holed, but not Wikileaks???
7. Watch the way he answers the questions in MSM interviews.
8. He is still alive.
9. He is not in jail.

I can smell this one a mile away. It stinks.

dys

ps- I respectfully ask that you remove my last 2 thanks on this thread, they were misclicks. Sorry.





LOL, I wondered I was like here this dude is breaking my balls then giving me thanks is this some kind of reverse psychology ;D

I don't mean this to be rude but how familiar are you with wikileaks, and julian assange? Like the process in which they avoid legal trouble, and Julians past?

[dysgenic]

I'm familiar with the site and I've read about Assange here and there, but I'm not an expert. But I don't see how that changes any of the factors that I listed.

dys





2. The mysterious and sudden emergence of Assange from the shadows into the spotlight
3. MSM coverage, lots of it
4. What is he doing in London?
5. Cryptome owner accusations
6. GIM1 website memory holed, but not Wikileaks???
7. Watch the way he answers the questions in MSM interviews.
8. He is still alive.
9. He is not in jail.

I can smell this one a mile away. It stinks.

dys

ps- I respectfully ask that you remove my last 2 thanks on this thread, they were misclicks. Sorry.





LOL, I wondered I was like here this dude is breaking my balls then giving me thanks is this some kind of reverse psychology ;D

I don't mean this to be rude but how familiar are you with wikileaks, and julian assange? Like the process in which they avoid legal trouble, and Julians past?

[LuckyStrike]

2. The mysterious and sudden emergence of Assange from the shadows into the spotlight
3. MSM coverage, lots of it
4. What is he doing in London?
5. Cryptome owner accusations
6. GIM1 website memory holed, but not Wikileaks???
7. Watch the way he answers the questions in MSM interviews.
8. He is still alive.
9. He is not in jail.




2. He explains in the videos I posted why he started doing interviews.
3. It is a huge story, the press can do black outs on a lot of things but if it tries to black out everything they will lose their remaining credibility.
4. According to the video interview he moves to a new location every couple weeks.
5. cryptome owner needs to put up or shut up IMO, he said she said BS is far from hard evidence.
6. Gim1 was taken offline by it's owner not the government, so why would wikileaks be taken down by the people that started it? GIm1 turned into something that the creators didn't want it to, as far as I can tell wikileaks is now exactly what they want it to be.
7. He is calculated in his speech no doubt, I chalk it up to him knowing a lot of things that aren't common knowledge and having a lot of people tell him things in confidence so by nature he must be cautious as to what he says.
8. Julian assange is the face of wikileaks but far from the sole controller. If they can help it I think they prefer to either buy off or discredit potential threat to their power since if they make martyrs out of people it usually comes back to bite them. Take Jesus as an example.
9. Again the video explains how wikileaks releases information in a way that shields them to a great extent from legal troubles.

[LuckyStrike]

I'm familiar with the site and I've read about Assange here and there, but I'm not an expert. But I don't see how that changes any of the factors that I listed.




It doesn't change those factors but I think watching a lot of his interviews and reading about wikileaks in general will answer a lot of the questions you posed.

[dysgenic]

With all due respect your arguments are not compelling to me. The reason is that there is no practical way to shield oneself from legal troubles or even untimely death from criminal gangsters that don't give a hoot about the rules.

dys






2. The mysterious and sudden emergence of Assange from the shadows into the spotlight
3. MSM coverage, lots of it
4. What is he doing in London?
5. Cryptome owner accusations
6. GIM1 website memory holed, but not Wikileaks???
7. Watch the way he answers the questions in MSM interviews.
8. He is still alive.
9. He is not in jail.




2. He explains in the videos I posted why he started doing interviews.
3. It is a huge story, the press can do black outs on a lot of things but if it tries to black out everything they will lose their remaining credibility.
4. According to the video interview he moves to a new location every couple weeks.
5. cryptome owner needs to put up or shut up IMO, he said she said BS is far from hard evidence.
6. Gim1 was taken offline by it's owner not the government, so why would wikileaks be taken down by the people that started it? GIm1 turned into something that the creators didn't want it to, as far as I can tell wikileaks is now exactly what they want it to be.
7. He is calculated in his speech no doubt, I chalk it up to him knowing a lot of things that aren't common knowledge and having a lot of people tell him things in confidence so by nature he must be cautious as to what he says.
8. Julian assange is the face of wikileaks but far from the sole controller. If they can help it I think they prefer to either buy off or discredit potential threat to their power since if they make martyrs out of people it usually comes back to bite them. Take Jesus as an example.
9. Again the video explains how wikileaks releases information in a way that shields them to a great extent from legal troubles.

[LuckyStrike]

With all due respect your arguments are not compelling to me.



Likewise.

[cedarchopper]

You're talking to a wall, Nordic...boobus American is a peculiar and difficult mentality. Words don't work with them, they only learn the hard way.

[LuckyStrike]

You're talking to a wall, Nordic...boobus American is a peculiar and difficult mentality. Words don't work with them, they only learn the hard way.


We all get stubborn at times, sometimes argue just for it's own sake. I can't prove that Assange isn't a CIA asset but nor can anyone prove that he is so for either side to act like the case is closed is silly.

Like I've said from the beginning he is innocent until proven guilty, that is the Western style of justice and although I will remain cautious I'm not going to go lynch someone over vague speculation.

[cedarchopper]

You're talking to a wall, Nordic...boobus American is a peculiar and difficult mentality. Words don't work with them, they only learn the hard way.


We all get stubborn at times, sometimes argue just for it's own sake. I can't prove that Assange isn't a CIA asset but nor can anyone prove that he is so for either side to act like the case is closed is silly.

Like I've said from the beginning he is innocent until proven guilty, that is the Western style of justice and although I will remain cautious I'm not going to go lynch someone over vague speculation.


Agreed, the picture will paint itself over time. In the mean time, Wikileaks has energized conversation about the Wars that has been missing for years. Seeing a massacre of civilians in cold blood, something I haven't seen up to now, even though it goes on frequently in these Wars... has shocked the world. The Afgan Diaries are more fuel.

I remember when a televised assassination in Vietnam turned public opinion against the war. My parents changed their view then...and my Dad was a WWII vet, that believed the Vietnam War was fighting to protect the West from Communist domination. But that was the tipping point.

Here it is:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=99b_1175137988

[MAGNES]

Agreed, the picture will paint itself over time. In the mean time, Wikileaks has energized conversation about the Wars that has been missing for years. Seeing a massacre of civilians in cold blood, something I haven't seen up to know, even though it goes on frequently in these Wars...
has shocked the world. The Afgan Diaries are more fuel.

I remember when a televised assassination in Vietnam turned public opinion against the war. My parents changed their view then...and my Dad was a WWII vet, that believed the Vietnam War was fighting to protect the West from Communist domination. But that was the tipping point.



I agree with your assessment, tried to point that out, there is other stuff too.

Everyone is stuck on knocking the guy, how about we look at the information
that comes out and take it for what it is worth, like NordicBerserker stated as
well.

I also pointed out all the leaks that destroyed Bush, there are people from
the inside fighting when they can. If we listed all the damaging leaks, firings,
news of Bush Admin it is very extensive. They totally purged the Mil , DIA, etc ,
of patriots, made examples of .

Wayne Madsen who broke many stories has something to say about Wiki.
I posted interview above and Phoenix posted article.

Wayne was reporting that the NeoCons were working on taking over the NSA.
The US spy agencies spy on each other, this isn't exactly news, it's in many
good books. Outing and leaking information may be our protection, maybe
they have helped in this, some.

Soros does not want a free media haven, they don't want
what Iceland is doing, and why are they doing it, payback .

About atrocities, agree exactly like you stated, even the BP thing,
they are keeping the dead animals on camera under control so
not to incite people, same with wars, theirs and ours, nobody
sees bodies, it ain't happening, even dead soldiers in caskets are hidden
from view, god forbid putting innocent dead faces on tube.
People forgot about these wars, Obama promises ? lol .
Maybe the Republicans want to remind people of Obama lies.
They behind it ? Everyone is using everyone, dirty games.

What about McCrystal, just a coincidence ? No way.
Lots of related stories, even Iran and Pakistan propaganda.
Neocons want want to nail them all.

Just take the information as it comes and for what it is worth.
Even Jones has woken people up but won't go that next level.

[Book]

There are plenty of reasons to judge Assange as controlled opposition, you just choose to ignore them.

dys



Alright I'll start the list and you continue it.

1. Upheld the governments version of 9/11
2. (fill in the blank)



2. WikiLeaks allowed three publications, the Guardian newspaper in London, the magazine Der Spiegel in Germany and the New York Times, to have access to the documents for several weeks. Those news outlets released stories in a coordinated manner Sunday.

:oo-->

These three corporations are the kosher Flagships of jew-controlled main stream media...lol.

[Phoenix]

I continue to stand by what I've said. If the material released by Wikileaks were truly damaging to the US war machine, Mr. Assange would be a dead man, literally. He would have simply disappeared, and never be heard from again, while the US was "looking for him" over the last several weeks.

Don't you people know what these regimes are capable of?

The outing of Valerie Plame didn't just lead to the end of her career. It lead to the DEATHS OF PEOPLE. The field personnel she handled were exposed, and "neutralized."

For his courage, Dr. David Kelly was rewarded with "suicide."

These devilish regimes will destroy their own assets, let alone alleged "outsiders" like Assange, if material they do not want exposed is to be released.

Why do normally smart people not GET this? It doesn't see the light of day unless "they" want it to see the light of day.

[Awoke]

"I believe in facts about conspiracies," he {Julian Assage of Wikileaks} says, choosing his words slowly. "Any time people with power plan in secret, they are conducting a conspiracy. So there are conspiracies everywhere. There are also crazed conspiracy theories. It's important not to confuse these two. Generally, when there's enough facts about a conspiracy we simply call this news."

What about 9/11? "I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud." {more}


So what's really going on here with Julian? You might think having the scoop of the century about the secrets of 9/11 would be the ultimate Wikileaks goal. Or is there something deeper and possibly sinister in store for whistleblowers who could be ready to talk or release verifiable information? Is Wikileaks a limited hangout or even worse, a trap? Or is Assange just trying to keep himself safe by calling 9/11 a 'false conspiracy?'

http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/2010/07/julian-assange-of-wikileaks-is-911.html

[LuckyStrike]

There are plenty of reasons to judge Assange as controlled opposition, you just choose to ignore them.

dys



Alright I'll start the list and you continue it.

1. Upheld the governments version of 9/11
2. (fill in the blank)



2. WikiLeaks allowed three publications, the Guardian newspaper in London, the magazine Der Spiegel in Germany and the New York Times, to have access to the documents for several weeks. Those news outlets released stories in a coordinated manner Sunday.

:oo-->

These three corporations are the kosher Flagships of jew-controlled main stream media...lol.



Don't you think that put them on the hotseat? It gave them a chance to save face and probably bought Assange favorable coverage and some airtime.

Don't forget Assange's war with David Finkel and the Washington post who he claimed sat on the Collateral Murder video for a year.

I think some of you guys are pretty damn quick to forget some of the things wikileaks has done.

Personally I think the 2 biggest are the CRU emails and Collateral Murder. With the CRU email leak it COMPLETELY debunked man made global warming, it showed the scientists who perpetrated it to be complete frauds. NOBODY can argue that TPTB wanted that leaked out or that it didn't severely hamper their ability to ram through a carbon tax.

Again with Collateral Murder you see footage that we would've NEVER seen of civilians getting killed in Iraq and the lack of regard for life soldiers have over there. That severely damages their credibility and makes people stop and think "gee maybe the civilian death counts are real" maybe we should get out of the mideast.

I don't see how in any way shape or form people can argue that these leaks are going to convince people we need to head over to Iran or Pakistan (we already are in pakistan)

I seriously hope none of you ever do jury duty the prosecutor would say "we have video evidence that you were in the vicinity around the time the crime was committed" and you clowns would shout down from the jurors box "GUILTY!!!!!"

[Awoke]

I don't see how in any way shape or form people can argue that these leaks are going to convince people we need to head over to Iran or Pakistan (we already are in pakistan)



Seriously, you don't see how, brother?

Look:


The Pakistani government has vehemently denied claims that its intelligence agencies have been coordinating and protecting the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Thousands of documents published by whistleblower website Wikileaks accuse Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency of fuelling the insurgency.


more at link.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/27/2964938.htm

Being in Pakistan and waging war with pakistan are two very different things, MaximumRebel1.

[LuckyStrike]

Seriously, you don't see how, brother?

Look:


The Pakistani government has vehemently denied claims that its intelligence agencies have been coordinating and protecting the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Thousands of documents published by whistleblower website Wikileaks accuse Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency of fuelling the insurgency.


more at link.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/27/2964938.htm

Being in Pakistan and waging war with pakistan are two very different things, MaximumRebel1.


No don't misunderstand I know this is how the MSM is trying to spin it for their war mongering agenda, but them making claims about what are in the documents and what are actually in the documents are 2 different things.

These are the stories that have come out that actually quote and show you specifically where they are in the logs unlike mere claims by the jew york times and other MSM news sources.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/25/afghanistan-civilian-deaths-rules-engagement


Its like reading a book about Ron Paul written by Bill Kristol and then using his arguments as evidence that RP is xy or z, forget what the jew media spin is and read the reports themselves.

[Awoke]

I was wondering why you and I weren't in agreement. We typically agree on amlost all topics.

I was misunderstanding your stance on it.

[sunshine05]

GORDON DUFF: WIKI-LEAKS IS ISRAEL, LIKE WE ALL DIDN’T KNOW

July 29, 2010 posted by Gordon Duff · 4 Comments
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LAME “LEAK” SITE NOTHING MORE THAN THIN COVER FOR “THE TEL AVIV TANGO”

By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor

Now “Wiki-Leaks” is busy selling phony bin Laden stories, having the long dead Osama humiliating the CIA by running around villages in Afghanistan selling vacuum cleaners. What is our “leak” site really about? This is a dead news cycle. The World Cup is over, lots of people on holiday and no major stories. Only in a dead news period like this, as Oliver Stone pointed out, could the Israeli controlled media dump a pile of lame rumors mixed in with box loads of chickenfeed, passing it off as the story of the century. More at link:


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/07/29/gordon-duff-wiki-leaks-is-isreal-like-we-all-didnt-know/

[Book]

When you read Mr. Assange’s output, you are looking at one of the Mossad games, nothing more. They send some stories to Fox News, some to CNN, some to the Washington Post or London Times. They have their pick as their friends and co-workers own those outlets and so many more. The game today is using Wikileaks, given its 15 minutes of fame for trashing the US in Iraq with the helicopter video, to spread imaginary stories about Pakistan, the only nuclear power in the Middle East capable of standing up to Israel and the enemy of India.

India is what it is all really about. Israel is playing India for a fall, drawing them into their games they way they did with the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan. India will wake up with their government bought off, blackmailed, up to their neck in wars and insurgencies at home and fighting Israel’s enemies abroad. India is the next real target for rape, destruction, destabilization by Israel and our “Wiki-leak” is part of that game.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/07/29/gordon-duff-wiki-leaks-is-isreal-like-we-all-didnt-know/

Bingo! Outstanding link sunshine05.

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[Large Sarge]

GORDON DUFF: WIKI-LEAKS IS ISRAEL, LIKE WE ALL DIDN’T KNOW

July 29, 2010 posted by Gordon Duff · 4 Comments
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LAME “LEAK” SITE NOTHING MORE THAN THIN COVER FOR “THE TEL AVIV TANGO”

By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor

Now “Wiki-Leaks” is busy selling phony bin Laden stories, having the long dead Osama humiliating the CIA by running around villages in Afghanistan selling vacuum cleaners. What is our “leak” site really about? This is a dead news cycle. The World Cup is over, lots of people on holiday and no major stories. Only in a dead news period like this, as Oliver Stone pointed out, could the Israeli controlled media dump a pile of lame rumors mixed in with box loads of chickenfeed, passing it off as the story of the century. More at link:


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/07/29/gordon-duff-wiki-leaks-is-isreal-like-we-all-didnt-know/


gordon duff is one of the few good ones out there

[Steal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOivrUlB1iI&playnext=1&videos=E9upV7sGgu8&feature=sub

[DMac]

GORDON DUFF: WIKI-LEAKS IS ISRAEL, LIKE WE ALL DIDN’T KNOW

July 29, 2010 posted by Gordon Duff · 4 Comments
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LAME “LEAK” SITE NOTHING MORE THAN THIN COVER FOR “THE TEL AVIV TANGO”

By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor

Now “Wiki-Leaks” is busy selling phony bin Laden stories, having the long dead Osama humiliating the CIA by running around villages in Afghanistan selling vacuum cleaners. What is our “leak” site really about? This is a dead news cycle. The World Cup is over, lots of people on holiday and no major stories. Only in a dead news period like this, as Oliver Stone pointed out, could the Israeli controlled media dump a pile of lame rumors mixed in with box loads of chickenfeed, passing it off as the story of the century. More at link:


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/07/29/gordon-duff-wiki-leaks-is-isreal-like-we-all-didnt-know/


From the Duff piece:


Did anyone ask why nothing was reported in 90,000 pages regarding the massive drug dealing in Afghanistan? With stories in the press around the world reporting that President Karzai and his brother are the biggest druglords in the world, why would this not be mentioned? Is it because Karzai is a good friend of the Indo-Israeli alliance that runs Wiki-leaks?

[PatColo]

Is the latest Wikileaks release serving the military industrial complex? (http://911blogger.com/news/2010-07-26/latest-wikileaks-release-serving-military-industrial-complex)

Short article, but good reader comments. Majority believe wikileaks is owned by the dark side.

[UFM]

what wit all da melon heads round here? they dont look like tin foil.........

[Horn]

A criminal investigation into the leak of tens of thousands of secret Afghanistan war logs could go beyond the military, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday, and he did not rule out that WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange could be a target.

"The investigation should go wherever it needs to go," Gates said.

Gates would not be more specific, waving off questions about whether Assange, who is Australian, or media outlets that used the WikiLeaks material could be subjects of the criminal probe. But he noted that he has asked the FBI to help in the investigation "to ensure that it can go wherever it needs to go."

The Army is leading an inquiry inside the Defense Department into who downloaded some 91,000 secret documents and passed the material to WikiLeaks, an online archive that describes itself as a public service organization for whistle-blowers, journalists and activists.

The Pentagon inquiry is looking most closely at Pvt. Bradley Manning, an Army intelligence specialist who was already charged with leaking other material to the website.

The FBI would presumably handle aspects of the investigation that involve civilians outside the Defense Department, and the Justice Department could bring charges in federal court.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38468747/ns/us_news-security/

[cortez]

(CNN) -- WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said Friday that he was disappointed by criticism from Secretary of Defense Robert Gates over the release of about 76,000 pages of U.S. documents related to the war in Afghanistan.

Gates said Thursday that the massive leak will have significant impact on troops and allies, revealing techniques and procedures.

Assange rejected that assessment Friday, saying in a release that Gates "has overseen the killings of thousands of children and adults" in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, also criticized Assange and the person who gave him the documents. WikiLeaks, Mullen said, was risking lives to make a political point.

"Mr. Assange can say whatever he likes about the greater good he thinks he and his source are doing, but the truth is, they might already have on their hands the blood of some young soldier or that of an Afghan family," Mullen said Thursday at a Pentagon news conference.

Gates said he asked that the FBI help the Pentagon in its investigation of who might have leaked the documents to Assange's internet site.

An Army private suspected of leaking classified material, including videos and other documents, has been transferred from Kuwait to a Marine Corps brig in Quantico, Virginia.

Pfc. Bradley Manning, who served as an intelligence analyst in Iraq, was charged in June with eight violations of the U.S. Criminal Code and is the military's focus in the investigation into who gave thousands of documents to WikiLeaks.

Manning, 22, will remain in confinement as the Army continues the investigation to determine whether he should face the military equivalent of a trial over the charges, according to an Army statement Thursday.

Assange has refused to say where his whistle-blower website got about 91,000 United States documents about the war. About 76,000 of them were posted on the site Sunday in what has been called the biggest leak since the Pentagon Papers about the Vietnam War.

Assange's statement Friday was harshly critical of Gates, particularly over deaths in Afghanistan.

"Secretary Gates could have used his time, as other nations have done, to announce a broad inquiry into these killings," the statement said. "He could have announced specific criminal investigations into the deaths we have exposed. He could have announced a panel to hear the heartfelt dissent of U.S. soldiers, who know this war from the ground. He could have apologized to the Afghani people.

"But he did none of these things. He decided to treat these issues and the countries affected by them with contempt. Instead of explaining how he would address these issues, he decided to announce how he would suppress them.

"This behavior is unacceptable. We will not be suppressed. We will continue to expose abuses by this administration and others."