red alert gold is in backwardation!

[Large Sarge]

http://fofoa.blogspot.com/2010/07/red-alert-gold-backwardation.html

[JDRock]

never EVER fall for the trap of measuring the value of PM's in dollars (or ANY fiat )....theyre worth more today in REAL value than yesterday, and will be worth even MORE tomorrow.

[FreeMyLand]

never EVER fall for the trap of measuring the value of PM's in dollars (or ANY fiat )....theyre worth more today in REAL value than yesterday, and will be worth even MORE tomorrow.


I have to agree.

I'm not on the forum a whole lot, so I never noticed your avatar before - damn funny!

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

This stood out:

"backwardation" (in gold) is the signal the market gives us that the sellers of gold (the CB's, the BB's, the shorts, and the naked shorts) have realized that there truly is a shortage of physical gold. And they have realized it will be more beneficial to them in the near future if they keep their physical gold and settle any outstanding contracts in dollars.

[Ponce]

JD, I am with you on that.............all that they are doing is shaking the tree to see what falls.

[Large Sarge]

Dear Comrades In Golden Arms,


I have said to you many times that the entities that will make the most profit on the gold price will not be the gold community, but rather just those that the community identifies as the enemy, the gold banks.

What is happening now is the set up to that event.

Recently Armstrong questioned publicly if the Goldmans of the world were using his cyclical analysis. Judging from what we have seen the answer is yes by intention or coincidence.

Those wishing to offset their pain on me today have to be defined as the public. The only bulls today are the stone professionals who can see what is taking place in the published numbers.

The gold banks are engineering their short cover and will shift to the long side of gold. It is in fact happening right now as the public panics. The currency market and media will be called into service in order to take gold to and through $1650.

Respectfully,
Jim

[ximmy]

I have an extra 3000.00... I wonder if I should buy now... :)

[Bigjon]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/34949178/Fekete-on-Fofoa-and-Gold-Basis

position papers of professorfekete #6, July 28, 2010. GOLD BASIS SCREWED Who needs a thermometer to know that the heat-wave is on? Antal E. Fekete Fofoa has just published another thoughtful paper with the title: Red Alert: Gold Backwardation!!!http://fofoa.blogspot.com. It raises the question nobody has apparently raised before: “Is the dollar bidding for gold, or maybe gold is bidding for dollars?” And it gives an amazing answer: the gold basis has been screwed and it has been giving bogus signals for more than a year. We have likely had backwardation all this time but it has been stonewalled. There is no real gold market any more. Goldman Sucks is playing with itself. Most trades are bogus, sales as well as purchases. Leases ditto. What Goldman Sucks couldn’t get away in a falling market, it can in a rising one.
There are other metrics beside the gold basis that the market has developed in the meantime. One such is GOFO = $ LIBOR – GLR (the gold lease rate). On the face of it, GOFO cannot ever go negative. If it did, it would mean that the risk in borrowing gold is greater than the risk in lending dollars, even though the latter has infinite counterparty risk. But there is no counterparty risk in borrowing gold! That’s a telltale for you. Nasty negative GLR, nasty negative GOFO, shut up, both of you!
Fofoa says that the dollar needs voluntary bids from private physical gold holders to survive. But the pool ofre a l bids is bone dry and cracking. Dollar liquidity is just a cheap façade. As the gold price rises slowly, nervous Nellys, suckers, and other weak hands will relinquish bits and pieces of the yellow precious which will keep the merry-go-round in motion. Gold-bidding for dollars can be kept alive on a life support system. Indefinitely? Pretty well. But Fofoa says that Goldman Sucks has shot itself in the foot.
I can add little to these speculations, but I would like to note another telltale: the fine Goldman Sucks has agreed to pay Uncle Sam. On July 19 The New York Times carried a story entitled: Goldman Employee Denies Fraud. Just days after Goldman agreed to pay $550 million to settle securities fraud claims, a midlevel employee of the bank, Fabrice Tourre, has filed a 13-page denial and sought dismissal of the case. Smell the stink? Goldman agrees to pay more than half a billion while a vice president, central to the case, challenges the charges. To add another little twist, according to the NYT article, Goldman Sucks released a batch of old e-mail messages of Fabrice Tourre, who calls himself “Fabulous Fab” for his skills in selling “Frankenstein bonds” (= bonds going bad fast) “to widows and orphans” on the tarmac of Brussels airport, designed to damage Mr. Tourre’s case in the continuing S.E.C. investigations. Who is fooling whom here? Is it possible that the fine they levy and pay is just another case of check-kiting? But why would they do such a thing? Why, a bogus fine could deflect suspicion away from a much bigger charade in misleading the public, namely, to cover up goldbackwardation!
Meanwhile all we can do is to sharpen our tools in sleuthing to uncover the contango. I started a Seminar in Australia in 2008 on backwardation and the secular vanishing of the gold basis. By all standards, it was a huge success. We continued in 2009 and were making plans to reassemble in Sidney, Australia this year in November. I am sorry to give notice that the 2010 The Third Annual Seminar on gold backwardation and the last contango is cancelled, due to the greed of the professional organizers of the event. Rest assured, however, that the research is going on, and if we get a decent invitation, we shall make up for the cancelled event, with further revelations!
In the meantime, here is a hint to whet your appetite. Fofoa should refine his indicator GOFO as follows. GOFO = LIBOR – GLBR, where GLBR = gold leasebid rate, i.e., the rate which bidders are willing to pay for leased gold to the bullion bank. It should be somewhat greater than GOFO as it has been defined up to now. (Why?) It is true that GLBR is not publicly quoted, but a little bit of sleuthing should be able to produce a proxy. Then GOFO will tell you how profitable the gold carry trade is, or is getting. Negative GOFO tells you that it is making a loss and net shorts in gold are under water or will soon be.
But there is another indicator equally important for successful sleuthing. (Goldman Sucks, are you listening?) I shall call it COGOFO. Here it is: COGOFO = LIBBR – GLOR. Here LIBBR = London interbankbid rate; it is the rate at which a bank in the London market is willing to borrow from another. Furthermore, GLOR = gold leaseoffered rate; the rate at which bullion banks are willing to lease out gold. Again, LIBBR is not in the public domain, so due diligence is required to come up with a reasonable proxy.
Here are some quiz questions: (1) What is the relation between LIBOR and LIBBR (2) and between GLOR and GLBR (3) and between GOFO and COGOFO? (4) Can COGOFO go negative, and if so, what does it mean? (5) How can you make inferences about movements at large between cash gold and paper gold from the variation of GOFO and COGOFO? (6) If you plot GOFO and COGOFO, what does a crossover of the two mean?
As my faithful students will notice, the distinctions I am recommending to Fofoa are those of Carl Menger, the 19th century founder of the Austrian School of Economics. The New Austrian School of Economics that will start its first ten-day course on August 9 in Budapest will provide its audience with full background on Menger’s theories, and how to apply them in the present situation where markets are rigged and governments are lying. Send in your answers to:aefekete@hotmail.com, and participate in the draw that will take place at the 3rdAustralian Seminar on Backwardation and the Secular Vanishing of the Gold Basis! Prizes will include gold nuggets

[gunDriller]

I have an extra 3000.00... I wonder if I should buy now... :)


are you serious ?!

if i had $3K allocated for PM's, it probably would have been spent at $1190 & 1180.

$1160 is a gift to buyers. i think it's a good time to buy ... or you could listen to Ted Butler & wait until he says he's 100% bullish on gold. when he's not 100% bull-ish, that means he has read the tea leaves & COT report and thinks it will fall some.

if you're talking silver ... i think the market can go lower than $17.59.

but ... Ted Butler says he's 100% bullish on silver ... which i think is a buy signal.

[Large Sarge]

this really might be the final washout for the shorts.

Option expiration was Yest I believe?

The lack of physical Bullion is becoming apparent, position limits by CFTC, Multiple wars imminent, etc

You had to figure that they would keep playing the game, until they cannot play it anymore.

[mamboni]

Is Fekete saying that the entire paper gold market is one big illusion, with buys and sells generated by Goldman Sachs minions to create the appearance of a market?

Has anyone kept abreast of the sales and inventory of physical gold (bullion coins) lately. One would think that the mints and dealers should be running low or just-in-time inventories and charging hefty premia over spot prices.

[gunDriller]

Is Fekete saying that the entire paper gold market is one big illusion, with buys and sells generated by Goldman Sachs minions to create the appearance of a market?

Has anyone kept abreast of the sales and inventory of physical gold (bullion coins) lately. One would think that the mints and dealers should be running low or just-in-time inventories and charging hefty premia over spot prices.


that's what's wierd. the shortages show up the most in Random Year 1 ounce Eagles, Maples, & Krugs. APMex has boatloads of Eagles, 99 Krugs, and i didn't check the Maples.

as for fracs ... it's about half sold out. e.g. 10 peso gold coins (.24 ounces) at Provident sold out. someone cleaned them out.

it looks like the markets have changed recently. the same risk-aversion that drove up the gold price has decreased ... so the pundits say. i still look at a US $ and see toilet paper.

[JDRock]

never EVER fall for the trap of measuring the value of PM's in dollars (or ANY fiat )....theyre worth more today in REAL value than yesterday, and will be worth even MORE tomorrow.


I have to agree.

I'm not on the forum a whole lot, so I never noticed your avatar before - damn funny!






thanx...the avatar was either Book's of Mambonis, or a collaboration of the two....it resulted in an INSTANT ban of Book..... its onefor the record books. Book and mamboni also tag teamed the famous skyvike/napoleon pic on gim 1

[Neuro]

Is Fekete saying that the entire paper gold market is one big illusion, with buys and sells generated by Goldman Sachs minions to create the appearance of a market?

Has anyone kept abreast of the sales and inventory of physical gold (bullion coins) lately. One would think that the mints and dealers should be running low or just-in-time inventories and charging hefty premia over spot prices.
That is what I am reading in Feketes piece.

I guess as long as most people of importance has some faith in the illussory spot market price, generated by GS trading, it is not even necessary that a significant undervaluation of gold would result in physical shortness. IOW as long as people think they are buying gold when they are buying an empty unbacked derivative of gold, there will be no physical shortage, and the buying opportunity of a life time continues.

Personally I don't think the wizard of Oz has any clothes at all, that is why he is hiding behind the curtain.

[Gknowmx]

Great thread, great observations.