Why do people follow the mental case David Icke?

[Phoenix]

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David Icke actually believes (as the "Reptoid Hypothesis") that there are literal "human-blood-consuming, shapeshifting reptiles" on Earth. He asserts these "reptiles" - from the Draco star system - long-ago created humans and now rule the peoples of Earth. These "reptiles" include actor Kris Kristofferson and the late musician Lecil Travis Martin aka "Boxcar Willie." (WTF?)

David Icke believes in Lysenkoism, that thought & environment modifies one's DNA, contrary to all known principles of genetics.

David Icke believes in the "Law of Attraction," that one "attracts experiences" to oneself by one's thoughts, good or bad. This includes traumatic experiences, such as being molested as a child or raped as an adult, or being otherwise victimized by criminals. In other words, one is responsible for being victimized, more commonly known as "blaming the victim."

David Icke asserts people of northern European heritage, the Aryans, were bred for the "reptilian traits" of "cold-bloodedness" and "fanaticism," by their alien ancestors, the mythical blue-eyed blond "Nordic aliens." This echoes the blood-libel peddled by the Jewsmedia against, in particular, the German people.

David Icke claims the reptilian aliens not only originate from the Draco star system, but from "the fourth dimension." In modern physics, the "fourth dimension" is a dimension of our world, known as time.

David Icke attributes his "success" to a Jewish channeler and "psychic healer," Betty Shine, who told him he would become "world famous," and "heal the earth" with ideas given to him from "the spirit world." (the Bible calls these "demons")

David Icke has made false predictions of "cataclysms" for his native Britain, and has also proclaimed himself on television to be "the Son of God."

David Icke denies that these "reptiles" which "rule the Earth" are Jewish, states that there "is not a plot on the world by Jewish people," and bans any member of his official discussion forums for presenting data deemed "anti-Semitic."

[I am me, I am free]

The real question is why would someone spend several hours a day on a discussion forum browbeating others they've never meet into buying into their version of reality and sucking up to the death cult??

At least Icke allows people to make up their own minds, to turn him off or to listen to him. On this forum one cannot escape the relentless shilling for the death cult from certain death cult devotees, e.g. pushing the death cult agenda/memes: FEAR, OBEY, HATE, DO NOT QUESTION AUTHORITY, FEAR, BLOOD LUST, HATE, DO NOT THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX, FEAR, NO INDEPENDENT THOUGHT, HATE, SUBMIT, FEAR, PAY YOUR TAXES, HATE, CONSUME, FEAR, EMMANUEL GOLDSTEIN LIVES, HATE, THERE ARE NO ALTERNATIVES TO THE CORPORATE STATE, FEAR, YOUR WISE MASTERS ALWAYS KNOW WHAT'S BEST, HATE, FEAR...HATE...FEAR...HATE...FEAR...

I will say this: I saw David Icke give an 8 hour presentation 7 years ago. Towards the end he made a point of saying that we should all love our enemies, then he stood there in front of about 400 people and sincerely said, "George Bush, I love you...Henry Kissinger, I love you..." This is not something you will ever hear coming from hate-filled, fear-mongering 'cyberwarriors'. lol

I definitely don't agree with everything David Icke says and does, but he has some very provocative and interesting things to say.

[PatColo]

The real question is why would someone spend several hours a day on a discussion forum browbeating others they've never meet into buying into their version of reality and sucking up to the death cult??

[...]

I definitely don't agree with everything David Icke says and does, but he has some very provocative and interesting things to say.


Exactly, like this OP putting David Icke & "mental case" together in the subject line (opting against the more fashionable "nut job" ad hom), so that he could propagate that association/meme in the minds of readers even who pass over the thread without opening it.

Much of Icke's more "down to earth" material is outstanding. His other more "outlandish", un-provable/un-disprovable assertions- readers are free to simply ignore and move along. I'm always curious what he has to say about politics & current events.

For some reason, the Defamation Expertshttp://www.messianic-torah-truth-seeker.org/Torah/Kashrut/logo-ou-kosher-48.gif have sought to label (can you guess the label? can you??), & discredit Icke. :oo--> And I don't mean in the way they sought to promote "condemn" Alex Jones (http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=465)... ;) Watch this video documentary showing Icke being dogged by the Defamation Experts throughout a speaking tour he did in Canada,

"David Icke: The Lizards and the Jews"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912878405399014351

Makes you wonder if the Defamation Experts aren't sore about Icke articles like this one, deconstructing the whole zionism/Izzy/jooz/rothschild/etc memeplex: "The Zionist Elephant In The Room (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/the-zionist-elephant-in-the-room/msg2940/#msg2940)".

On the "current events" front, Icke's assessment of the BP/Gulf oil "disaster" rings true: 'And The Sea Shall Turn To Blood'... (http://rense.com/general91/blood.htm)

[Horn]

I'll concur, while his personal philosophy is on the outside of outlandish, his address of the topics, or issues is often enlightening.

[UFM]

I'll concur, while his personal philosophy is on the outside of outlandish, his address of the topics, or issues is often enlightening.


enlightening is wrong word. it is entertaining.

iammeiamfree how muh you pay to listen to that crackpot? did he sign your book too? haha. icke a conman

[Skirnir]

Let us say that this Icke makes ninety-nine false statements and a single true statement. This does not mean that the single true statement is false, but it is less likely to be taken seriously. I am not going to bother to shift through nonsense to find something he says that may or may not be correct.

If his analysis is the fruit of false premises, what are the odds it will be accurate or pertinent?

[Phoenix]

The purpose of David Icke is to combine pieces of the Truth with the most outlandish insanity, in order to plant in the minds of the public that if you believe the former, you are as insane as the latter.

[keehah]

I had to laugh at Phoenix's last point that complained that David Icke's site bans those who present antisemitic data.

Hard to balance the need to force propaganda yet tailor talking points to match poster voice and terms used at each site.



The purpose of David Icke is to combine pieces of the Truth with the most outlandish insanity, in order to plant in the minds of the public that if you believe the former, you are as insane as the latter.


That is your purpose for this thread.

No one is perfect. Ask any Muslim or Christian or Jew.

Some of this is what the elite's themselves believe. Alex Jones considers Icke to have a form of Stockholm syndrome about this, especially as he has his Christian perspective (which means he misses the resource and population problems).

The real problem are people we interact with who are dishonest with hidden motives for doing what they do.

[Phoenix]

The Zionist Elephant In The Room


There it is!

Diversion!

"Zionist." Not the accurate "Talmudic Jewish," but "Zionist." Always shifting blame away from the Problem.


David Icke attributes his "success" to a Jewish channeler and "psychic healer," Betty Shine, who told him he would become "world famous," and "heal the earth" with ideas given to him from "the spirit world."

there "is not a plot on the world by Jewish people" - David Icke

[hoarder]

Icke is a strange one. People have different personality types and different ways of truth-seeking. Much of his work is good.
He seems to be a bit of an egotist. You would never find him engaging in open debates because his word is final and to be taken on faith.....after all he has done the research. No one knows more.

Anything is possible. It may even be possible that shape-shifting reptillians rule the universe. But how did he arrive at this conclusion? Probably not based on logical thinking and verifiable phenomena because he does not use either to support his position.
When I seek truth, I actually like to bounce my thoughts on a forum and see what checks and balances I may have forgotten. Icke is not like me.

So is he useful to us or is he useful to "them"?

He is the ultimate strawman. Not only can he be easily discredited in the eyes of the masses but with his help so can other conspiracy theorists.


My suggestion is this; read his stuff and learn what you can. What pieces he puts forth that don't fit the puzzle can be discarded.
Just like a book...rip out the pages you don't like and throw them away. Keep the rest.

[Phoenix]

I had to laugh at Phoenix's last point that complained that David Icke's site bans those who present antisemitic data.


You laugh at censorship. Nice.

[Phoenix]

You would never find him engaging in open debates because his word is final and to be taken on faith.....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult

If David Icke told his followers that they could achieve worldwide love & harmony, instantly defeating "the Iluminati," simply by gulping some "special refreshment" (laced with cyanide), a large portion of them would ask for two glasses.




after all he has done the research. No one knows more.


Just like Alex Jones!




Anything is possible. It may even be possible that shape-shifting reptillians rule the universe. But how did he arrive at this conclusion? Probably not based on logical thinking and verifiable phenomena because he does not use either to support his position.


AGAIN:

David Icke attributes his "success" to a Jewish channeler and "psychic healer," Betty Shine, who told him he would become "world famous," and "heal the earth" with ideas given to him from "the spirit world."




So is he useful to us or is he useful to "them"?


Is he allowed on Talmudvision?




He is the ultimate strawman. Not only can he be easily discredited in the eyes of the masses but with his help so can other conspiracy theorists.


Exactly. "If you believe there is an evil conspiracy that runs our world, you're a nut-job like that David Icke character."




My suggestion is this; read his stuff and learn what you can. What pieces he puts forth that don't fit the puzzle can be discarded.
Just like a book...rip out the pages you don't like and throw them away. Keep the rest.


What can you do with just the covers of his books?

[keehah]

I had to laugh at Phoenix's last point that complained that David Icke's site bans those who present antisemitic data.


You laugh at censorship. Nice.


If I laughed, then it would be at you with your data is antisemitic comments.

David Icke believes lizard like people with superior genes rule the world.

Talmud says lizard like people with superior genes rule the world.

If lizard like people with superior suck from below genes rule the world, they did long before any Talmud era peoples or new age codification/mind control and non-Talmud still do today with control of countries. They are everywhere and may even be in us. While some may be that way by birth, life, culture, codes and gangs help others along.

Yet you say David is a mental case because he sees the big picture and has a different type of mental infection. All you seem to wish to exist are antisemitic traps.

[hoarder]

Phoenix, I don't think Icke is a Marrano deliberately trying to dumb down the Khazar question. He is useful to them because of his personality flaws. I think he means well in his own authoritarian egotistical way.
Most likely a Jew "guided" him to the "reptillian" conclusions long ago. In so doing rendered him harmless.

[uranian]

I will say this: I saw David Icke give an 8 hour presentation 7 years ago. Towards the end he made a point of saying that we should all love our enemies, then he stood there in front of about 400 people and sincerely said, "George Bush, I love you...Henry Kissinger, I love you..." This is not something you will ever hear coming from hate-filled, fear-mongering 'cyberwarriors'. lol

I definitely don't agree with everything David Icke says and does, but he has some very provocative and interesting things to say.


always and still surprises me that the cyberwarriors can't see that they're falling for the divide and conquer line. which group shall we hate today? the jews, o'course, hahaha, it's still entertaining 4 years into my first GIM experiences, i'll never forget khalil gibran (book?) and his utterly vehement response when i first suggested that the whole zionist she-bang was offered as an excuse to find a group to hate, rather than see the essential unity of all.

unless the cyberwarriors are only pretending to not see the divide/conquer paradigm, eh? there's a counter-conspiratorial conspiracy theory for ya.

[hoarder]

i first suggested that the whole zionist she-bang was offered as an excuse to find a group to hate, rather than see the essential unity of all.
This is an example of "The truth does not fit my philosophy". Sorry.

Find the truth first, you will have plenty of time to find a philosophy later (if you need one), and be much better qualified to do so.

It's a matter of sequence, get it wrong and you will forever be blinded by your philosophy.

The problem is that ANY philosophy would be great if EVERYBODY followed it in heart and mind. It ain't never gonna happen.


Be a truth-seeker, not a philosophy follower.

[gunDriller]

The purpose of David Icke is to combine pieces of the Truth with the most outlandish insanity, in order to plant in the minds of the public that if you believe the former, you are as insane as the latter.


i think that is the most logical description.

i knew a woman from an anti-war group who was SO convinced that Dick Cheney was a shape-shifting alien because of a video put together on Icke's site.

i.e. Icke uses computer graphics simulations, that's one of the tools he uses to make the crazy claims about Cheney - and also to familiarize people with the concept of ET.

[Phoenix]

Phoenix, I don't think Icke is a Marrano deliberately trying to dumb down the Khazar question. He is useful to them because of his personality flaws. I think he means well in his own authoritarian egotistical way.
Most likely a Jew "guided" him to the "reptillian" conclusions long ago. In so doing rendered him harmless.


I don't believe Icke is anything but an Englishman. But he is a Shabbos Goy.

[Phoenix]

khalil gibran (book?)


Yes, KG was Book.



see the essential unity of all.


From which satanic tradition do you draw that mythology from, Judeo-Freemasonry, or New Age?

[Horn]

From what I've seen when he is questioned on current topics or issues he gives valid responses that will help.

But when talking on topics of his personal philosophy, he seems undefined, or shot of the cuff, instead of giving a straight forward response.

He should probably just stick to what the matter is, because the latter doesn't... really matter.

[gunDriller]

I don't believe Icke is anything but an Englishman. But he is a Shabbos Goy.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbos_goy

A Shabbat goy, Shabbos goy or Shabbes goy (Yiddish: שבת גוי, shabbos goy Modern Hebrew: גוי של שבת goy shel shabat) is an individual who regularly assists a Jewish individual or organization by performing certain acts on the Biblical Sabbath which are forbidden to Jews within Jewish law.


just what the world needs.

[Phoenix]

I don't believe Icke is anything but an Englishman. But he is a Shabbos Goy.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbos_goy

A Shabbat goy, Shabbos goy or Shabbes goy (Yiddish: שבת גוי, shabbos goy Modern Hebrew: גוי של שבת goy shel shabat) is an individual who regularly assists a Jewish individual or organization by performing certain acts on the Biblical Sabbath which are forbidden to Jews within Jewish law.


just what the world needs.


The term Shabbos Goy now refers, colloquially, to any Goy who fronts for the Jews, regardless of day of the week (usually, ALL days of the week! ::) ).

[Tumbleweed]

I don't think David Icke is the least bit crazy. If he said reptilians = Jews he'd probably get suicided. If the shoe fits wear it. the problem is the Jews don't want to were the shoe that fits.

[Horn]

I don't think David Icke is the least bit crazy. If he said reptilians = Jews he'd probably get suicided. If the shoe fits wear it. the problem is the Jews don't want to were the shoe that fits.


So your saying that the Reptilians were chosen, or they chose the Jew's shoes?

[Tumbleweed]

I'm just saying david chose to say reptilians instead of jews.

[Book]

Lizard like people with superior genes have ruled the world long before any Talmud or new age codification/mind control and still do today with control of countries. They are everywhere and may even be in us. While some may be that way by birth, life, culture, codes and gangs help others along.



http://www.aishamusic.com/images/brain.gif

What is already considered scientific fact of simple biology seems to be profoundly exaggerated by what you posted Keehah. How did you get from here to Lizard People walking around?

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[hoarder]

Years ago I knew a guy who owned a rifle range, older guy. He claimed to have done 80,000 hours research on the old testament, using Strongs Concordance to define the meaning of the language therein.
He told me the Jews were reptillians and that he got this conclusion somehow by studying the Scriptures. He never heard of David Icke or Khazars....never even had access to the internet.

I still think this "reptillian" stuff is false, though.

[Horn]

I'm just saying david chose to say reptilians instead of jews.


Using Reptilians concludes in not trusting anyone including Jews. That's the endgame there.

I could be responding to an "Undercover Reptilian" with this post? ;)

[Phoenix]

I'm just saying david chose to say reptilians instead of jews.


David Icke learned about "the reptilians" from a JEWESS psychic named Betty Shine!

[Tumbleweed]

the gospel of Mathew chapter 23

“Verse 33. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers! How can ye escape the damnation of hell? 34. Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men and scribes: some of them ye shall kill and crucify, and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city. 36. That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zechariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36. Verily I say unto you: All these things shall come upon this generation. 37. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!”39

Looks to me like Jesus thought they were reptilian too.

thought I'd add this. Look what it got him....beat to death and nailed to a cross. David Icke is no fool.

[keehah]

What is already considered scientific fact of simple biology seems to be profoundly exaggerated by what you posted Keehah. How did you get from here to Lizard People walking around?

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I'm not married to any single book, brain, lizard, goat, Neanderthal, sun, garden or crab theory. Well maybe the garden. But I will still fool around.

Perhaps this will help answer your question. (lol)
http://www.rense.com/general84/abso.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r3XIidd9z4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xkx04RBJXk

[Neuro]

I don't think overall that Icke's claims are more outlandish than any other religions claim. I am leaning towards him using the reptilian theory to avoid libel charges. Another possibility is of course to discredit anyone who uncovers the real conspiracy. His recent moon theories seems designed to push away any sane person from his other theories.

Cherry picking is generally a good strategy when collecting info...

[Horn]

You are all, Lizards, me included. :whistle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D4QXHQsRHo

[gunDriller]

so if you get a bad case of sunburn ... and the skin peels ... and you eat the skin (like a lizard) ... is it a spiritual practice - or is it just disgusting ?

i suppose it's only disgusting if you do it in a meeting at work. ;D

if you walk into a meeting at work ... and everyone's doing it ... then it's time to worry. :o

[keehah]

More 'crazy talk.'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9N72_LQgkM

[Mouse]

I think Icke calls some stuff pretty good. I don't bet all my chickens on any one egg, though. I find his theories to be thought provoking and twists the "what if" that can open your eyes up to other stuff. He is like the sober mans LSD. I heard this song the other day and hadn't heard it in years. It's a great song, fitting for this thread. If you take the time enjoy, if not, read the lyrics.

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We sailed away
We walked two thousand miles and then we slipped away
We looked so hard
But couldn't seem to find just what the world was for
Now we know
Just what the journey's for
Looking out to the stars
Think about what you are
What do they think of you
Animals in their zoo
They haven't got the time
Landing is not on their minds
How do they have the nerve
We're animals in preserve

They watch us all
They're only making sure that we don't trip and fall
They looked so hard
But they can't tell us why they're here and just what for
Because they don't know
Who opened up the door

How can we find out more
Who owns the keyless door
Where does the circle end
Who are the unwatched men
Where do we go from here
Faith is a fading fear
Life is a waiting room
I hope they don't call me soon

How much more do you really think you know than a flower does about who's behind the door!

[jaybone]

I have never seen a gamma ray,
does that mean they do not exist?

[dysgenic]

Stay away from the occultist David Icke. He is a very dangerous disinformationalist. He is no head case, he uses the satanic tactic of mixing lies and truth. He is charismatic and enthusiastic in his lies. A very bad guy.
You've been warned.

dys

[I am me, I am free]

Stay away from the death occultist Quantum/Phoenix. He is a very dangerous disinformationalist. He is a head case, he uses the satanic tactic of mixing lies and truth. He is charismatic and enthusiastic in his lies. A very bad guy.
You've been warned.



That's equally as accurate imo. lol

[dysgenic]

How is this post germaine to this topic? Seems to me that if you are going to engage in preemptive ad hominem attacks in situations like this, you hurt your own credibility more than the person you are attacking.

dys







Stay away from the death occultist Quantum/Phoenix. He is a very dangerous disinformationalist. He is a head case, he uses the satanic tactic of mixing lies and truth. He is charismatic and enthusiastic in his lies. A very bad guy.
You've been warned.



That's equally as accurate imo. lol

[I am me, I am free]

How is this post germaine to this topic? Seems to me that if you are going to engage in preemptive ad hominem attacks in situations like this, you hurt your own credibility more than the person you are attacking.

dys







Stay away from the death occultist Quantum/Phoenix. He is a very dangerous disinformationalist. He is a head case, he uses the satanic tactic of mixing lies and truth. He is charismatic and enthusiastic in his lies. A very bad guy.
You've been warned.



That's equally as accurate imo. lol



I like David Icke, and that post was intended to be humorous. He's a very fascinating fellow and I have reasonably good BS filters so I ain't skeered. Like Neuro suggested, cherry pick the info presented. At least David Icke actively promotes non-violent non-compliance, which from my perspective is the ONLY way to collapse the beast system (and this was my perspective long before David Icke began promoting it). Best to be proactive rather than reactive.

Now someone like Jordan Maxwell is an entirely different story. He's 100% BS.

Oh yeah - how is this germane to the OP? A mental case calling someone else a mental case (imo)...gotta love the irony.

[Book]

Stay away from the death occultist Quantum/Phoenix. He is a very dangerous disinformationalist. He is a head case, he uses the satanic tactic of mixing lies and truth. He is charismatic and enthusiastic in his lies. A very bad guy.
You've been warned.



That's equally as accurate imo. lol


:oo-->

[dysgenic]

See, now you are being disingenuous. The purpose of your post was to take a shot at Phoenix, not to be humorous. Your intended 'humor' was meant at the expense of someone you don't like in a situation that clearly didn't call for a joke. Besides, even if you were trying to be funny (which you failed at btw), that doesn't change the fact that you engaged in an ad hominem attack against the same person that you just accused of all sorts of impropriety in a thread that you started. Care to comment on the hypocrisy?

dys






How is this post germaine to this topic? Seems to me that if you are going to engage in preemptive ad hominem attacks in situations like this, you hurt your own credibility more than the person you are attacking.

dys







Stay away from the death occultist Quantum/Phoenix. He is a very dangerous disinformationalist. He is a head case, he uses the satanic tactic of mixing lies and truth. He is charismatic and enthusiastic in his lies. A very bad guy.
You've been warned.



That's equally as accurate imo. lol



I like David Icke, and that post was intended to be humorous. He's a very fascinating fellow and I have reasonably good BS filters so I ain't skeered. Like Neuro suggested, cherry pick the info presented. At least David Icke actively promotes non-violent non-compliance, which from my perspective is the ONLY way to collapse the beast system (and this was my perspective long before David Icke began promoting it). Best to be proactive rather than reactive.

Now someone like Jordan Maxwell is an entirely different story. He's 100% BS.

Oh yeah - how is this germane to the OP? A mental case calling someone else a mental case (imo)...gotta love the irony.

[Horn]

More 'crazy talk.'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9N72_LQgkM


Thanks, a little extension towards Habsburg.

He's an old lizard now.

http://www.worldsecuritynetwork.com/showArticle3.cfm?article_id=14131

[I am me, I am free]

See, now you are being disingenuous. The purpose of your post was to take a shot at Phoenix, not to be humorous. Your intended 'humor' was meant at the expense of someone you don't like in a situation that clearly didn't call for a joke. Besides, even if you were trying to be funny (which you failed at btw), that doesn't change the fact that you engaged in an ad hominem attack against the same person that you just accused of all sorts of impropriety in a thread that you started. Care to comment on the hypocrisy?

dys






How is this post germaine to this topic? Seems to me that if you are going to engage in preemptive ad hominem attacks in situations like this, you hurt your own credibility more than the person you are attacking.

dys







Stay away from the death occultist Quantum/Phoenix. He is a very dangerous disinformationalist. He is a head case, he uses the satanic tactic of mixing lies and truth. He is charismatic and enthusiastic in his lies. A very bad guy.
You've been warned.



That's equally as accurate imo. lol



I like David Icke, and that post was intended to be humorous. He's a very fascinating fellow and I have reasonably good BS filters so I ain't skeered. Like Neuro suggested, cherry pick the info presented. At least David Icke actively promotes non-violent non-compliance, which from my perspective is the ONLY way to collapse the beast system (and this was my perspective long before David Icke began promoting it). Best to be proactive rather than reactive.

Now someone like Jordan Maxwell is an entirely different story. He's 100% BS.

Oh yeah - how is this germane to the OP? A mental case calling someone else a mental case (imo)...gotta love the irony.



Quantum/Phoenix, Book, and Skirnir routinely engage in ad hominem attacks and yet you're busting MY balls for responding on a thread where Quantum essentially implies that anyone who listens to anything David Icke has to say is a 'mental case' - singling me out in particular (with the graphic).

You're funny, but don't quit your day job, you'd never make it as a comedian. lol

[dysgenic]

So because those other guys engage in these tactics, that makes it ok for you?

You don't seem to get it. ANYONE that engages in ad hominem attacks diminishes their credibility. That goes for you, Phoenix, Book, I don't care who it is. This is especially true of someone (in this case you) that just started a thread accusing another member of improprieties, because it demonstrates hypocrisy on top of the other things that ad hominem attacks already suggest (examples: poor arguments, childlike loss of temper, intentional obfuscation of the real issues, baiting, etc.).

dys





See, now you are being disingenuous. The purpose of your post was to take a shot at Phoenix, not to be humorous. Your intended 'humor' was meant at the expense of someone you don't like in a situation that clearly didn't call for a joke. Besides, even if you were trying to be funny (which you failed at btw), that doesn't change the fact that you engaged in an ad hominem attack against the same person that you just accused of all sorts of impropriety in a thread that you started. Care to comment on the hypocrisy?

dys






How is this post germaine to this topic? Seems to me that if you are going to engage in preemptive ad hominem attacks in situations like this, you hurt your own credibility more than the person you are attacking.

dys







Stay away from the death occultist Quantum/Phoenix. He is a very dangerous disinformationalist. He is a head case, he uses the satanic tactic of mixing lies and truth. He is charismatic and enthusiastic in his lies. A very bad guy.
You've been warned.



That's equally as accurate imo. lol



I like David Icke, and that post was intended to be humorous. He's a very fascinating fellow and I have reasonably good BS filters so I ain't skeered. Like Neuro suggested, cherry pick the info presented. At least David Icke actively promotes non-violent non-compliance, which from my perspective is the ONLY way to collapse the beast system (and this was my perspective long before David Icke began promoting it). Best to be proactive rather than reactive.

Now someone like Jordan Maxwell is an entirely different story. He's 100% BS.

Oh yeah - how is this germane to the OP? A mental case calling someone else a mental case (imo)...gotta love the irony.



Quantum/Phoenix, Book, and Skirnir routinely engage in ad hominem attacks and yet you're busting MY balls for responding on a thread where Quantum essentially implies that anyone who listens to anything David Icke has to say is a 'mental case' - singling me out in particular (with the graphic).

You're funny, but don't quit your day job, you'd never make it as a comedian. lol

[keehah]

If a cop tosses a stink bomb into a crowd, and someone in the crowd tosses it back towards the cop, did that person assault the cop?

[sirgonzo420]

If a cop tosses a stink bomb into a crowd, and someone in the crowd tosses it back towards the cop, did that person assault the cop?







Of course! (at least they likely will be charged and convicted of such)

[dysgenic]

As far as I'm concerned there should be no rule against personal attacks. All it does is reflect negatively on those that make them.

dys

[Phoenix]

Stay away from the death occultist Quantum/Phoenix. He is a very dangerous disinformationalist. He is a head case, he uses the satanic tactic of mixing lies and truth. He is charismatic and enthusiastic in his lies. A very bad guy.
You've been warned.



That's equally as accurate imo. lol


I challenge you to PROVE you drive around without a license, drive around without a real license plate, and successfully refuse to - without consequence - paying all the taxes the government demands of you.

Your refusal to provide this proof is taken as an admission you are LYING about doing so.

[Phoenix]

How is this post germaine to this topic? Seems to me that if you are going to engage in preemptive ad hominem attacks in situations like this, you hurt your own credibility more than the person you are attacking.


WHAT "credibility"?

[Phoenix]

At least David Icke actively promotes non-violent non-compliance, which from my perspective is the ONLY way to collapse the beast system


There it is! There it is!

Sukhoi Fan promotes NON-VIOLENCE against a system that uses violence as its modus operandi.

The study of warfare in human history shows that non-violence in the face of a violent opponent ALWAYS leads to defeat.

Sukhoi Fan pretends to be "opposed" to the system, but in reality, promotes a LIE that will only make the system more powerful.

[Phoenix]

Care to comment on the hypocrisy?


I'd rather he comment on this:


I challenge you to PROVE you drive around without a license, drive around without a real license plate, and successfully refuse to - without consequence - paying all the taxes the government demands of you.

Your refusal to provide this proof is taken as an admission you are LYING about doing so.

[Phoenix]

singling me out in particular (with the graphic)


That's a hyperlinked image of one of David Icke's books...hyperlinked to amazon.com.

I guess I was very on target. ;D

[Phoenix]

As far as I'm concerned there should be no rule against personal attacks. All it does is reflect negatively on those that make them.

dys


Telling the Truth is not a personal "attack."

[Horn]

The Salt March started a series of protests, closing many British shops and British mills. A march to Dharshana resulted in horrible violence. The non-violent satyagrahis did not defend themselves against the clubs of policemen, and many were killed instantly. The world embraced the satyagrahis and their non-violence, and eventually enabled India to gain their freedom from Britain.

http://www.thenagain.info/webchron/india/SaltMarch.html

[Phoenix]

The Salt March started a series of protests, closing many British shops and British mills. A march to Dharshana resulted in horrible violence. The non-violent satyagrahis did not defend themselves against the clubs of policemen, and many were killed instantly. The world embraced the satyagrahis and their non-violence, and eventually enabled India to gain their freedom from Britain.

http://www.thenagain.info/webchron/india/SaltMarch.html


World War II destroyed the British Empire, not some "non-violent" dot-heads.

The "success" of non-violence is a myth perpetuated for the masses of imbeciles. That's one of the reasons why the unreverend Martin Luther King, Jr., is promoted as America's greatest hero (only one to have his own holiday).

[I am me, I am free]

At least David Icke actively promotes non-violent non-compliance, which from my perspective is the ONLY way to collapse the beast system


There it is! There it is!

Sukhoi Fan promotes NON-VIOLENCE against a system that uses violence as its modus operandi.

The study of warfare in human history shows that non-violence in the face of a violent opponent ALWAYS leads to defeat.

Sukhoi Fan pretends to be "opposed" to the system, but in reality, promotes a LIE that will only make the system more powerful.


Indeed, Jesus taught that violence is 'The Way'. lol

I'll let the King of Kings get physical with the adversary, since He can surely deal with them in short order - I'm in no hurry to martyr myself.

The irony here is that some 'internet expert' is accusing me of boosting up the beast system when he's the one who's RELENTLESS in promoting unwavering compliance to the corporate state OR ELSE THE BEAST SYSTEM IS GOING TO BEAT THE LIVING SH!T OUT OF YOU!!! lol

Violence is PRECISELY what the beast system wants out of the cannon fodder. Don't give it to them.

"To defeat one must vanquish, to defend one must merely survive." --Master Po to young Kwai Chang Caine

[keehah]

As far as I'm concerned there should be no rule against personal attacks. All it does is reflect negatively on those that make them.

dys


No true say the great psychologists. The sin of false association lies in creation. Guilt in association is how the subconcious, memory and emotions work.

But yes it does reflect back too as you point out. Problem is...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt

Lack of guilt of psychopaths
Psychopaths lack any true sense of guilt or remorse for harm they may have caused to others. Instead, they rationalize their behavior, blame someone else, or deny it outright. This is seen by psychologists as part of a lack of moral reasoning (in comparison with the majority of humans), an inability to evaluate situations in a moral framework, and an inability to develop emotional bonds with other people.

[keehah]

World War II destroyed the British Empire, not some "non-violent" dot-heads.

I can't let that go. Queen's name is on title to 'my' property. I just have surface rights. Now they charge for water and CO2, I expect soon she will own rights to the sun that shines on it if some value of it can be sucked beforeland.


It should not be forgotten that the most powerful financial syndicate in the Western World is that of the European Rothschilds. The Rothschilds, because of their power base inside the City of London Corporation, have a controlling membership of the London Crown Temple syndicate, and they also have executive control of the Vatican and the Mafia though the P2 Masonic Lodge in Italy....

Queen Elizabeth II fronts for the Rothschilds. She is the largest landowner on Earth. She is Head of State of the United Kingdom and of thirty one other states and territories, and is the legal owner of 6,600 million acres of land, one sixth of the Earth's land surface. A conservative estimate of the value of the Crown Temple syndicate's land holding, under the Queen's signature, is £17.6 trillion.

The Queen's syndicate land holdings are based on the laws of the countries she owns and her land title is valid in each of those countries.
[Makow, July 31, 2010] (http://www.henrymakow.com/)


I challenge you to PROVE you drive around without a license, drive around without a real license plate, and successfully refuse to - without consequence - paying all the taxes the government demands of you.

Your refusal to provide this proof is taken as an admission you are LYING about doing so.

So when facing a traffic stop by a statist fascist cop who wants to overplay the master slave to a strawman relationship while hanging out on an Internet forum how should one respond? Is it best to answer the questions, it is just a thread diversion, and then be on your way? Ask to see his state credentials that allow his master for these rules? Act freeman to freeman, accuse him of being a fake cop, ignore it or request to see an attorney before offering any other words? ;D

[Horn]

There seems to be some general low level mis-understanding as to the assimilation of the U.S. into the Lizard Borg (British) Empire going on here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Sc2avixiS4

[I am me, I am free]

Yes, what the hell is up with all the dragons??

http://www.virtualtours360.net/wp-content/gallery/CityofLondon.jpg

If there are no 'dragons' in the fossil record, then where did the notion of dragons come from??

[Skirnir]

(crappy YouTube video)


I could not get through two minutes without laughing my ass off. ;D

[Horn]

(crappy YouTube video)


I could not get through two minutes without laughing my ass off. ;D


Hey, I'm just creating dots, its up to the "dot heads" to connect them... ;D

[keehah]

Some may see I'm a mental case when adding videos such as this to the thread.

Usually I don't text why. A tenuous in our past between Earth and Venus (lizards and dragons of plasma filaments from the hot one). Its use by 'gods' to control. Monkeys? Helped by tiny bundles of electrified nerve matter in me that act below my conscious forebrain. And as posted in another thread dragon parts are heated earth's way right now.

And David Icke says Time to leave our cages, we've all got it! 8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2DBcbZc3ck

[Phoenix]

At least David Icke actively promotes non-violent non-compliance, which from my perspective is the ONLY way to collapse the beast system


There it is! There it is!

Sukhoi Fan promotes NON-VIOLENCE against a system that uses violence as its modus operandi.

The study of warfare in human history shows that non-violence in the face of a violent opponent ALWAYS leads to defeat.

Sukhoi Fan pretends to be "opposed" to the system, but in reality, promotes a LIE that will only make the system more powerful.


Indeed, Jesus taught that violence is 'The Way'. lol


"Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

Luke 22:36

"And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables."


Why is it you peddle the LIE that Jesus Christ was a pacifist f@ggot?

[sirgonzo420]

Since you mentioned Christ, why did his Father kill him?

If you say something like "to absolve us of our sins" or something similar, can you explain the mechanics of how that works?

I'm just not seeing why God, in his infinite wisdom, couldn't have thought up a better solution to his problem (it was *his* problem because he designed the whole thing) than to cause the murder of his only begotten son?

eli eli lama sabachthani?

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DXCZFRsyl8

[keehah]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Moltisanti

Tony stumbled out of the car to help Chris after noticing that a branch had impaled the baby seat in the back where Chris' daughter could have been sitting. Chris' ongoing irresponsibility and increasing fears that he would turn State's witness infuriated Tony, leading him to make an impulsive executive decision. Tony suffocated his nephew by pinching his nostrils shut, leading Christopher to asphyxiate to death on his own blood. Whether or not Christopher would have survived if Tony had called for help is unknown, although it is mentioned in the episode that "the doctors said he could have made it, but he didn't." Throughout the remainder of the episode, Tony displayed the proper decorum for the family in mourning yet could barely restrain his relief that he was finally free of the burden Christopher had placed upon him for so long; he had also described Christopher as an "emotional strain" and "sniveling little drug addict." Tony's fear that Christopher could potentially turn on him at the drop of a hat due to his weakness as a drug addict was also finally laid to rest along with Christopher. In a dream, Tony admits to Dr. Melfi that he did in fact murder Christopher as well as other friends and family members before, specifically mentioning his cousin Tony Blundetto and his best friend Big Pussy Bonpensiero. In the final episodes of the series, Christopher is shown through an old picture of him hung in the meat store to honor him; a cat brought back from the hideout in which the crew was hiding spent its time staring at the photo.

[I am me, I am free]

Since you mentioned Christ, why did his Father kill him?

If you say something like "to absolve us of our sins" or something similar, can you explain the mechanics of how that works?

I'm just not seeing why God, in his infinite wisdom, couldn't have thought up a better solution to his problem (it was *his* problem because he designed the whole thing) than to cause the murder of his only begotten son?

eli eli lama sabachthani?


Stop that! You're gonna make his head explode!

On second thought, never mind.

[I am me, I am free]

At least David Icke actively promotes non-violent non-compliance, which from my perspective is the ONLY way to collapse the beast system


There it is! There it is!

Sukhoi Fan promotes NON-VIOLENCE against a system that uses violence as its modus operandi.

The study of warfare in human history shows that non-violence in the face of a violent opponent ALWAYS leads to defeat.

Sukhoi Fan pretends to be "opposed" to the system, but in reality, promotes a LIE that will only make the system more powerful.


Indeed, Jesus taught that violence is 'The Way'. lol


"Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

Luke 22:36

"And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables."


Why is it you peddle the LIE that Jesus Christ was a pacifist f@ggot?



Perhaps I got the notion that Jesus wanted his followers to be pacifists from the Sermon on the Mount.

YOU are the one who came up with crazy notion of the Lamb of God being a f@ggot. What kind of sick mind would come up with that sort of nonsense?? A repressed, latent homo??

What I find most ironic is that the ONLY time Jesus drew blood was when He ran the moneychangers out of the temple, Quantum, YOU on the other hand want to browbeat others into making sure the moneychangers are well entrenched in the temple and are not disturbed. lol

[Phoenix]

YOU on the other hand want to browbeat others into making sure the moneychangers are well entrenched in the temple and are not disturbed. lol


What's the VIN of your car?

We want to make sure you have the courage of your convictions.

[sirgonzo420]

YOU on the other hand want to browbeat others into making sure the moneychangers are well entrenched in the temple and are not disturbed. lol


What's the VIN of your car?

We want to make sure you have the courage of your convictions.


How would him giving you a VIN prove anything?

???

[I am me, I am free]

YOU on the other hand want to browbeat others into making sure the moneychangers are well entrenched in the temple and are not disturbed. lol


What's the VIN of your car?

We want to make sure you have the courage of your convictions.


How would him giving you a VIN prove anything?

???





It would prove I'm a fucking moron for giving some hateful, mean-spirited stranger with an axe to grind the serial number to my automobile. lol

[Phoenix]

How would him giving you a VIN prove anything?


A VIN is sufficient to determine if it is registered with the state DMV.

If it's not, I will admit immediately that I was wrong in my accusations.

[Fortyone]

YOU on the other hand want to browbeat others into making sure the moneychangers are well entrenched in the temple and are not disturbed. lol


What's the VIN of your car?

We want to make sure you have the courage of your convictions.


How would him giving you a VIN prove anything?

???





It would prove I'm a f*cking moron for giving some hateful, mean-spirited stranger with an axe to grind the serial number to my automobile. lol


a Carfax would be anonymous.

[I am me, I am free]

YOU on the other hand want to browbeat others into making sure the moneychangers are well entrenched in the temple and are not disturbed. lol


What's the VIN of your car?

We want to make sure you have the courage of your convictions.


How would him giving you a VIN prove anything?

???





It would prove I'm a f*cking moron for giving some hateful, mean-spirited stranger with an axe to grind the serial number to my automobile. lol


a Carfax would be anonymous.


A Carfax only works on registered motor vehicles, however I'm not furnishing the 'serial number' of my automobile to anyone - so you can forget that angle.

What is this obsession with my automobile?? People who see me all the time make no big deal out of it - initially they may say something like 'wow, that's interesting' but once I explain it's not possible to both own the automobile AND have a TxDOT tag on it that's the end of it.

[Fortyone]

Untrue!, all a carfax states is if its been stolen, wrecked and some repair records, they dont print previous owners names. the point I was making about using it, it should show a non found vehicle in your case.

[I am me, I am free]

Untrue!, all a carfax states is if its been stolen, wrecked and some repair records, they dont print previous owners names. the point I was making about using it, it should show a non found vehicle in your case.


You're absolutely right. But I'm still not giving up the serial number to anybody. Period. So quit asking.

[Fortyone]

Untrue!, all a carfax states is if its been stolen, wrecked and some repair records, they dont print previous owners names. the point I was making about using it, it should show a non found vehicle in your case.


You're absolutely right. But I'm still not giving up the serial number to anybody. Period. So quit asking.


Im not asking you to post the VIN, just the carfax with the VIN blocked. What, you dont think a cop is going to run the VIN next time you get lit up?

[Joe King]

At least David Icke actively promotes non-violent non-compliance, which from my perspective is the ONLY way to collapse the beast system


There it is! There it is!

Sukhoi Fan promotes NON-VIOLENCE against a system that uses violence as its modus operandi.

The study of warfare in human history shows that non-violence in the face of a violent opponent ALWAYS leads to defeat.

Sukhoi Fan pretends to be "opposed" to the system, but in reality, promotes a LIE that will only make the system more powerful.
Phoenix, I've read a lot of your posts where you imply the gov only operates with no regard to the law in a beligerant, "mite makes right" fashion.
Do you believe we are at war with the gov?

Are you advocating the use of violence against the gov when you think they are acting in such a way?

Do tell!

[I am me, I am free]

Untrue!, all a carfax states is if its been stolen, wrecked and some repair records, they dont print previous owners names. the point I was making about using it, it should show a non found vehicle in your case.


You're absolutely right. But I'm still not giving up the serial number to anybody. Period. So quit asking.


Im not asking you to post the VIN, just the carfax with the VIN blocked. What, you dont think a cop is going to run the VIN next time you get lit up?


The cops can run the serial number all they want and I hope they do - it will clearly indicate I'm not a part of their bullshit system. lol

And why in the world would I go to the trouble and expense of a ******* Carfax?? To 'prove' something to some people I've never meet?? lol

[Uncle Salty]

Icke's fundamental conclusion is that the world is ruled by elite families. These elite families stay hidden in the background and use a minion class of politicians to do their bidding as well as using secret societies to carry out their agenda. I suspect most here would agree with that.

Icke's greatest frustration is that the world is turning into an Orwellian surveillance society that is stripping away freedom at every turn. I think most here would agree with that.

Now, when it comes to the details, no one has all the answers. David thinks reptilian blood is at the root of the problem. Well, okay disagree or not, but don't lose sight of the core issue: the elite are tyrannizimg the masses and the masses can stop it by non-compliance. Simple. David says that the masses have the power and are only ruled because they choose to submit. And he is correct. If we all stopped paying taxes and stopped voting, their system would crumble and we could restore our freedoms.

But no...let's keep bickering and attacking Icke because he talks of lizards and a fake moon instead of taking the core of the problem and solving it.

Icke is out there, but so what? Gold and silver bugs are considered "out there" by most in this country. Let he with no sin cast the first stone. And no I'm not a bible or Jesus guy, it's just that that saying fits.

[EE_]

Lizards = Zionists
I thought you guys knew that?

[MNeagle]

Lizards = Zionists
I thought you guys knew that?


I sure didn't. But it makes for a good mystery.

Thanks for re-pointing it out for me.

[Phoenix]

But I'm still not giving up proof of my absurd claims to anybody. Because I can't. Period. So quit asking.


Corrected for truth.

[Phoenix]

The cops can run the serial number all they want and I hope they do - it will clearly indicate I'm not a part of their bullsh*t system. lol


And you think people here are so STUPID that they'll believe you when you claim the piggies will just let you go on your merry way after running your VIN.

[Phoenix]

Icke's fundamental conclusion is that the world is ruled by elite families. These elite families stay hidden in the background and use a minion class of politicians to do their bidding as well as using secret societies to carry out their agenda. I suspect most here would agree with that.

(...)

But no...let's keep bickering and attacking Icke because he talks of lizards and a fake moon instead of taking the core of the problem and solving it.

Icke is out there, but so what? Gold and silver bugs are considered "out there" by most in this country. Let he with no sin cast the first stone. And no I'm not a bible or Jesus guy, it's just that that saying fits.


Jim Jones believed in a world elite. Should we follow him, too? Drink up!

[Uncle Salty]

Jim Jones believed in a world elite. Should we follow him, too? Drink up!


Last I checked, David Icke has not established a commune in a third world country. He is not asking for people to follow him. He is just providing information. Take it or leave.

Nice strawman though.

[Phoenix]

Jim Jones believed in a world elite. Should we follow him, too? Drink up!


Last I checked, David Icke has not established a commune in a third world country. He is not asking for people to follow him. He is just providing information. Take it or leave.


My point is simple: David Icke and Jim Jones both perpetuated insane theories. The insane theories, and not the times when they got something right, define them. A broken clock is right twice daily.

[Joe King]

Jim Jones believed in a world elite. Should we follow him, too? Drink up!


Last I checked, David Icke has not established a commune in a third world country. He is not asking for people to follow him. He is just providing information. Take it or leave.


My point is simple: David Icke and Jim Jones both perpetuated insane theories. The insane theories, and not the times when they got something right, define them. A broken clock is right twice daily.

Why do you even care who anyone follows, not follows, or chooses or doesn't choose to believe in?
Or for that matter, anything else about how other people live?


Perhaps you should examine your own eye for the truck load of timber it contains before pointing out splinters in the eyes of others.

[Horn]

Joe King you need to get an avatar.

Perhaps something like this, but with oven mitts on. :oo-->

http://server40136.uk2net.com/~wpower/images/product_images/9780952614753.jpg

[dysgenic]

If you have a perfectly good glass of water, all it takes is a drop of poison to ruin the whole glass. That's a lesson that I had to learn the hard way.

dys









Icke's fundamental conclusion is that the world is ruled by elite families. These elite families stay hidden in the background and use a minion class of politicians to do their bidding as well as using secret societies to carry out their agenda. I suspect most here would agree with that.

Icke's greatest frustration is that the world is turning into an Orwellian surveillance society that is stripping away freedom at every turn. I think most here would agree with that.

Now, when it comes to the details, no one has all the answers. David thinks reptilian blood is at the root of the problem. Well, okay disagree or not, but don't lose sight of the core issue: the elite are tyrannizimg the masses and the masses can stop it by non-compliance. Simple. David says that the masses have the power and are only ruled because they choose to submit. And he is correct. If we all stopped paying taxes and stopped voting, their system would crumble and we could restore our freedoms.

But no...let's keep bickering and attacking Icke because he talks of lizards and a fake moon instead of taking the core of the problem and solving it.

Icke is out there, but so what? Gold and silver bugs are considered "out there" by most in this country. Let he with no sin cast the first stone. And no I'm not a bible or Jesus guy, it's just that that saying fits.

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

Who cares why people follow him? Take whatever message makes sense to you and disregard the rest.

http://Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut, that held its ground. - David Icke

[Uncle Salty]

Who cares why people follow him? Take whatever message makes sense to you and disregard the rest.

http://Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut, that held its ground. - David Icke


Exactly.

But some just need to be know it alls.

[Uncle Salty]

Jim Jones believed in a world elite. Should we follow him, too? Drink up!


Last I checked, David Icke has not established a commune in a third world country. He is not asking for people to follow him. He is just providing information. Take it or leave.


My point is simple: David Icke and Jim Jones both perpetuated insane theories. The insane theories, and not the times when they got something right, define them. A broken clock is right twice daily.


History is littered with insane theories that were eventually proven to be true.

Just ask Galileo.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Why would you have a problem with someone whose main message is "WAKE UP!" ?

Maybe you think Icke is crazy. Doesn't matter. His stance is still:

1) Do all the research you can
2) Wake up
3) Develop yourself spiritually
4) Embrace personal freedom


I'm not a big Icke follower, but over the years I've heard a few of his speeches, and anybody who is against those 4 tenents is the real enemy.

[iOWNme]

Im wondering in this 2010 Mystery Babylon System we live in can someone choose to like some things somebody says, but not other things?

An educated man learns to listen, discern, question and finally come to a conclusion. Not write off anything under a certain 'bias or pretense'.

If i am allowed to do this, please let me know. I would appreciate it. Until then i wont watch or listen to Icke, as he may sway my fragile mind into the 'Reptilian Blood Sucking, Hollow Earth' 'conspiracy theories'.

The .1% of the world population who follow Icke ARE NOT YOUR PROBLEM. But your neighbor across the street who smiles at you while he votes in a Satanic Demi-God to STEAL and PIRATE your private property from you IS YOUR ENEMY. And he probably 'agrees' with you on most subjects....


NO MAN IS 100% RIGHT ON 100% OF EVERYTHING. I mean, he is just a man, right?


Although i know Barry Soetoro was supposed to be....

[Uncle Salty]

Exactly.

So many want to throw the baby out with the bath water. Critical thinking skills have been killed. Most don't even know what they are.

Take the good, leave the bad, come to your own conclusions, and don't judge others based on your own ignorance.

[Phoenix]

Critical thinking skills have been killed.


If my critical thinking skills were not keen, I'd be a sucker for Icke, as well.




Take the good, leave the bad, come to your own conclusions, and don't judge others based on your own ignorance.


"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other."

People, like Icke, who base their worldview upon demonic communication to a Jewess psychic, do not serve God.

[MAGNES]

the gospel of Mathew chapter 23

“Verse 33. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers! How can ye escape the damnation of hell? 34. Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men and scribes: some of them ye shall kill and crucify, and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city. 36. That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zechariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36. Verily I say unto you: All these things shall come upon this generation. 37. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!”39

Looks to me like Jesus thought they were reptilian too.

thought I'd add this. Look what it got him....beat to death and nailed to a cross. David Icke is no fool.


GOOD POST !

Started paying attention to David after ADL thought so, ROFL !

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[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

You know I keep reading that "one drop of poison ruins the glass of water" or that "one bit of disinfo immediately makes all other truths untrue" and the like.


Nobody is perfect. Ghandi said it best: You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty.

Same is true with information. True information stays true no matter who presents it and in what manner.

[Phoenix]

Nobody is perfect. Ghandi said it best: You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty.


Gandhi never heard of "British Petroleum."

[Uncle Salty]

Critical thinking skills have been killed.


If my critical thinking skills were not keen, I'd be a sucker for Icke, as well.




Take the good, leave the bad, come to your own conclusions, and don't judge others based on your own ignorance.


"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other."

People, like Icke, who base their worldview upon demonic communication to a Jewess psychic, do not serve God.


Oh jeez, did God tell you himself what exactly it means to serve said God? LOL.

Are you a sucker for the Bible?

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

The Truth is the Only Reason Proganda Works.

[iOWNme]

The Truth is the Only Reason Proganda Works.


Quoted for truth....!

[UFM]

i am me, i am joking

[keehah]

Ignorance may not be bliss, but it sure can be loud.

[Ash_Williams]

I didn't read all the comments so this might have been said before.

Like many others, Icke take a two-step approach to telling people things.
First, he knocks down what they think they know.
Second, he tries to build up what he wants them to think.

The value of Icke is in the first part. He provides evidence contrary to what many believe, and they can look further into it and decide things. You don't need to know what the truth is, to know that something is a lie.

There's some limited value in the second part of what he does, in that he exposes theories and ideas that might otherwise not be heard. Some are more interesting than others.

And in general he can get people interested in history, politics, etc, instead of just getting fat in front of the tv and reading celebrity gossip online.

[Serpo]

No one follows anyone anymore unless you go to war.

But if anyone does follow him I think this is a pretty good reason...........


http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/37174-david-icke-turning-the-key

[keehah]

It does seem strange that of all the liars in the MSM, comments are offered instead by a type of person who would take the time to attack a popular truth seeker who gets it, except for one little part that is not presented as hate, so they work to create hate or shame for that person.

Logic offers several reasons, for the diversion or omission: the facts that when naming too large a group you also blame the innocent, personal attachments, public acceptance and the law, sticking to the facts and people, not generalizing, libel, wanting to be a force for positive change rather than negative blame, not taking attention away from the fact we are the problem, etc.

Icke attacked for taking about it via metaphor and elite religion, Alex attacked for omission although he illuminates all the surfaces and is up front about his Judeau-C weakness (that most Americans share). In short Icke is tainted by the belief of the upper European classes, Alex by the belief of the lower and perhaps upper Abrahamic classes.

I don't understand it (other than a pro-agent agenda shut down the more successful truth tellers). Perhaps there really is something to this 'crab people' thing.

Perhaps these critics could also add what the 'non mental case' belief would be. I'd expect to see some irony.

[dysgenic]

Huh? I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say.



It does seem strange that of all the liars in the MSM, comments are offered instead by a type of person who would take the time to attack a popular truth seeker who gets it, except for one little part that is not presented as hate, so they work to create hate or shame for that person.

Logic offers several reasons, for the diversion or omission: the facts that when naming too large a group you also blame the innocent, personal attachments, public acceptance and the law, sticking to the facts and people, not generalizing, libel, wanting to be a force for positive change rather than negative blame, not taking attention away from the fact we are the problem, etc.

Icke attacked for taking about it via metaphor and elite religion, Alex attacked for omission although he illuminates all the surfaces and is up front about his Judeau-C weakness (that most Americans share). In short Icke is tainted by the belief of the upper European classes, Alex by the belief of the lower and perhaps upper Abrahamic classes.

I don't understand it (other than a pro-agent agenda shut down the more successful truth tellers). Perhaps there really is something to this 'crab people' thing.

Perhaps these critics could also add what the 'non mental case' belief would be. I'd expect to see some irony.

[keehah]

Huh? I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say.

The world is full of mental cases.

[Awoke]

If a cop tosses a stink bomb into a crowd, and someone in the crowd tosses it back towards the cop, did that person assault the cop?







Keehah, read this short paragraph (http://boingboing.net/2010/07/13/arrested-for-blowing.html), then you tell me.

[Horn]

If a cop tosses a stink bomb into a crowd, and someone in the crowd tosses it back towards the cop, did that person assault the cop?







Keehah, read this short paragraph (http://boingboing.net/2010/07/13/arrested-for-blowing.html), then you tell me.


That black cop was rather "crabby"...

[keehah]

That cop worked himself towards a frenzy.
You could see him going off and choking a baby in a stroller if he was in the mood and the baby kept crying.

[silver solution]

How is this post germaine to this topic? Seems to me that if you are going to engage in preemptive ad hominem attacks in situations like this, you hurt your own credibility more than the person you are attacking.

dys







Stay away from the death occultist Quantum/Phoenix. He is a very dangerous disinformationalist. He is a head case, he uses the satanic tactic of mixing lies and truth. He is charismatic and enthusiastic in his lies. A very bad guy.
You've been warned.



That's equally as accurate imo. lol



I like David Icke, and that post was intended to be humorous. He's a very fascinating fellow and I have reasonably good BS filters so I ain't skeered. Like Neuro suggested, cherry pick the info presented. At least David Icke actively promotes non-violent non-compliance, which from my perspective is the ONLY way to collapse the beast system (and this was my perspective long before David Icke began promoting it). Best to be proactive rather than reactive.

Now someone like Jordan Maxwell is an entirely different story. He's 100% BS.

Oh yeah - how is this germane to the OP? A mental case calling someone else a mental case (imo)...gotta love the irony.


There is no way non-violent will work!!

There is no easy way out of this mess you are dreaming!!

[Joe King]

How is this post germaine to this topic? Seems to me that if you are going to engage in preemptive ad hominem attacks in situations like this, you hurt your own credibility more than the person you are attacking.

dys







Stay away from the death occultist Quantum/Phoenix. He is a very dangerous disinformationalist. He is a head case, he uses the satanic tactic of mixing lies and truth. He is charismatic and enthusiastic in his lies. A very bad guy.
You've been warned.



That's equally as accurate imo. lol



I like David Icke, and that post was intended to be humorous. He's a very fascinating fellow and I have reasonably good BS filters so I ain't skeered. Like Neuro suggested, cherry pick the info presented. At least David Icke actively promotes non-violent non-compliance, which from my perspective is the ONLY way to collapse the beast system (and this was my perspective long before David Icke began promoting it). Best to be proactive rather than reactive.

Now someone like Jordan Maxwell is an entirely different story. He's 100% BS.

Oh yeah - how is this germane to the OP? A mental case calling someone else a mental case (imo)...gotta love the irony.


There is no way non-violent will work!!

There is no easy way out of this mess you are dreaming!!


The crucial part when employing noncompliance with a police officer is knowing that it requires exact knowledge of where you stand relative to the law.

Speaking from experience, I've successfully not complied with a police officer before.
He drove away after rudely threatening me at least twice with a ticket.
Which would've turned into arrest had he actually tried to do so, as I would have rightfully refused to sign it.
So I know that it is possible for it to work.

Without knowledge, you'll fall for anything they tell you because you don't really know where you stand.

Had that knowledge been lacking I'd have caved and went along with whatever he said, strictly due to my own ignorance.

[keehah]

There is no way non-violent will work!!

There is no easy way out of this mess you are dreaming!!

This is less often the case with those who don't want part of dreaming up a new mess. Form many, work towards non-compliance is more than doing your share in the struggle to keep man's freedom. The advantage to this is you actually work towards being free, rather than trapped in someone's new dream, Pauls or Obamas and the same old thing.

[I am me, I am free]

How is this post germaine to this topic? Seems to me that if you are going to engage in preemptive ad hominem attacks in situations like this, you hurt your own credibility more than the person you are attacking.

dys







Stay away from the death occultist Quantum/Phoenix. He is a very dangerous disinformationalist. He is a head case, he uses the satanic tactic of mixing lies and truth. He is charismatic and enthusiastic in his lies. A very bad guy.
You've been warned.



That's equally as accurate imo. lol



I like David Icke, and that post was intended to be humorous. He's a very fascinating fellow and I have reasonably good BS filters so I ain't skeered. Like Neuro suggested, cherry pick the info presented. At least David Icke actively promotes non-violent non-compliance, which from my perspective is the ONLY way to collapse the beast system (and this was my perspective long before David Icke began promoting it). Best to be proactive rather than reactive.

Now someone like Jordan Maxwell is an entirely different story. He's 100% BS.

Oh yeah - how is this germane to the OP? A mental case calling someone else a mental case (imo)...gotta love the irony.


There is no way non-violent will work!!

There is no easy way out of this mess you are dreaming!!


I live in the now, not some imagined future. Non-violent, non-compliance works for me in the now. It's all about perspective.

So sorry about your nightmare, but that's YOUR choice.

[Awoke]

The bottom line is, non-violent non-compliance will only "work" as long as NWO pigs are still somewhat civilized and exercise restraint.

Once the shackles come off the NWO agenda and the pigs are forcefully rounding people up, violent non-compliance is your only option, beyond pre-emptively removing yourself from the area.




You don't think that will happen?


2009 G20:


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xaxbds_kidnapping-at-g20-protest_news

2010: G20

http://vimeo.com/12947748

[Phoenix]

The bottom line is, non-violent non-compliance will only "work" as long as NWO pigs are still somewhat civilized and exercise restraint.

Once the shackles come off the NWO agenda and the pigs are forcefully rounding people up, violent non-compliance is your only option, beyond pre-emptively removing yourself from the area.




You don't think that will happen?



“At what exact point, then, should one resist? When one’s belt is taken away? When one is ordered to face into a corner? When one crosses the threshold of one’s home?...”

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?...The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst; the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"

-- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

[Phoenix]

Non-violent, non-compliance works for me <s>in the</s> for now.


Fixed it.

Eventually, non-violent non-compliance will no longer work. We will each need to make a choice.

[sirgonzo420]

Non-violent, non-compliance works for me <s>in the</s> for now.


Fixed it.

Eventually, non-violent non-compliance will no longer work. We will each need to make a choice.


I'd say non-violent non-compliance is still the way to go for the time being.

If/when armed thugs start beating down my door, my strategy will likely change...

[Neuro]

I'd say non-violent non-compliance is still the way to go for the time being.

If/when armed thugs start beating down my door, my strategy will likely change...
I think you are right, timing is essential. People who violently opposed for instance Stalin before mass arrests didn't achieve anything. Starve the beast, and when the beast desperately comes after you and your ilk it is time to violently oppose it. Timing is the difficult part though.

[Awoke]

Gonzo, you and Phoenix are saying the same thing: Non-violence will work for now, but in the future that may change.

Look. See? You guys don't disagree on everything.

;D

[PatColo]

The Self-Obsessed 'Spiritual' Fakes and Frauds

David Icke opens his heart to Meria Heller - 'It's been a bad day'

Click here to listen ... (http://www.blip.tv/file/4017434)



also see
David Icke Speaking At The Rally Against Child Abuse at Trafalgar Square - The Full Speech (http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/37410-david-icke-speaking-at-the-rally-against-child-abuse-at-trafalgar-square-the-full-speech)

[Awoke]

The Self-Obsessed 'Spiritual' Fakes and Frauds

David Icke opens his heart to Meria Heller - 'It's been a bad day'

Click here to listen ... (http://www.blip.tv/file/4017434)



My God, that Radio show jingle is terrible.

Listening now...

[PatColo]

It's Destroy David Icke Time (But They Won't) (http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/38699-its-destroy-david-icke-time-but-they-wont)

cryptic.

prolly related to that Icke/Heller discussion below




The Self-Obsessed 'Spiritual' Fakes and Frauds

David Icke opens his heart to Meria Heller - 'It's been a bad day'

Click here to listen ... (http://www.blip.tv/file/4017434)



also see
David Icke Speaking At The Rally Against Child Abuse at Trafalgar Square - The Full Speech (http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/37410-david-icke-speaking-at-the-rally-against-child-abuse-at-trafalgar-square-the-full-speech)

[Horn]

It's Destroy David Icke Time (But They Won't) (http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/38699-its-destroy-david-icke-time-but-they-wont)

cryptic.

prolly related to that Icke/Heller discussion below





I'm starting to understand now, You must be the Lizard to see the Lizard. :oo-->

Still much too late now at this stage to switch marketing campaigns.

[PatColo]

I found this @ Rense's Youtube channel, quite enjoyed it, I guess Icke was on for 2 hours that night coz this audio is 1hr 19mins,

David Icke on Jeff Rense 06/29/2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOPLAfkwddc

[willie pete]

^^^Lizard Man.... :D :D

[Horn]

I found this @ Rense's Youtube channel, quite enjoyed it, I guess Icke was on for 2 hours that night coz this audio is 1hr 19mins,


Internet Prep. for Lizard Man arrival.

Whens the party start? :o

[Horn]

In essence he answers the title of the thread with the last video you posted, Pat.

He himself could be asking the question in that one...

As far as what the "vibrational origins" are creating, I offer you this.

http://cashoutcurse.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/280px-anubis_standingsvg.png

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Recently we had the theory posted here that the point of the webbots was to hijack consciousness. You take the most awake, the most aware, the most spiritual people, and you give them a "prediction" which is really a desired result...and now you have all of those awake, aware people focusing their consciousness on that "prediction" which was made...


Well I say this, whether you like or dislike Icke, at the very least, the message he is inserting into the consciousness of people is:

Be awake! Be Aware! Develop yourself spiritually and look for freedom everywhere!

That's better than the webbots, whose message is: there will be a disaster nov.15th. The disaster never comes, does it? But how many millions of consciousnesses are focused on an impending disaster because of it?

[Bullion_Bob]

It's Destroy David Icke Time (But They Won't) (http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/38699-its-destroy-david-icke-time-but-they-wont)

cryptic.

prolly related to that Icke/Heller discussion below





I'm starting to understand now, You must be the Lizard to see the Lizard. :oo-->

Still much too late now at this stage to switch marketing campaigns.






His lizard hand is freaking me out. How the heck is that possible?

[Bullion_Bob]

I found this @ Rense's Youtube channel, quite enjoyed it, I guess Icke was on for 2 hours that night coz this audio is 1hr 19mins,

David Icke on Jeff Rense 06/29/2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOPLAfkwddc


This was good. I often think across lines of how everything is a vibration, and how that all ties into string theory, free will, the 5 senses, and how hormones in the brain trigger all emotions and decisions.

I've come to the conclusion free will is limited to the periodic table of elements and actions set forth in mathematical patterns from the latest giant supernova that we refer to as our observable universe at this point in time.

We have free will, but only so much as this last giant explosion allows us to.

Atoms combine in specific ways to create substances (hormones in our brains for example) that are only allowed by the nature of the sun that went critical before us to exist and operate in a pre determined ratios, and patterns of repetition, a form of harmonic resonance if you will.

I've managed to put together that cold dark matter simulations when time sliced looks like a giant plasma field which also very closely resembles super clusters of intertwined galaxies. This is not coincidental.

Ironically plasma steams are double helix'd like DNA strands, as well, planetary orbital rotations also travel through space in double helix patterns, as the host planet moves through space as well.

Play in powers of 10 magnitude, and 10 to the power of -11 (or -23 can't remember ) of an atom looks like stars in outer space from our perspective. Infinite small infinite big, it's all related, everything connected up, and down to the next level in space time fabric.

Play in Mandelbrot sets, and we know there exists repeating patterns of all magnitudes up and down in scale, aka everything observable in this universe from the last sun going pop. One of infinite "pops" to come, and that has been long before us, and here it all is in a unified structure.

Like striking a bell and watching all the energy patterns from the harmonics create further realities.

Anyhow, deep stuff. Very real.

[midnight rambler]

His lizard hand is freaking me out. How the heck is that possible?


It's something called arthritis.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRIvYltLN80-EC_0fbg0qwqEHFXTxwO1DaAY4xzSPDXiyBeHW4Dq5g7KkWBNg

[keehah]

I'd agree Icke's message is more about freedom and human empowerment and thus 'better' than the webbots.

Most people are asleep. Parasitic elites manipulate them to fear and terror as these elites feed on fear and terror, their energy level. Those awake with empathy have the power of the universe and can defeat the elites.

Thats the message. Like a prayer good to have repeated a few times but thats about it.

Webbots are much less boring.

As for "hijacked consciousness", which I assume people are saying is bad as it puts them in a fear or terror mode (and others say about forums like this), I say to them: quit being so sheeple. ;D

[Awoke]

That picture of his hand is obviously edited.

[keehah]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19bd2yTDkTI
David Icke's rheumatoid arthritis makes it impossible for him to shake hands properly

[Horn]

I wonder if the condition is common amongst "the lizard folk"?

[Santa]

I wonder if the condition is common amongst "the lizard folk"?


:D "the lizard folk"... Lol. Yeah, many lizards are just regular folks, you know.