Police Begin "Guns Drawn" Raids on Organic Food Stores in California

[Cebu_4_2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b27EFldZ17k&playnext=1&videos=5P6pDWaQ_GE&feature=sub

[Ponce]

How come all those cops are always big and fat?.......did you see the lady cop? she was busting out of her uniform.........by the way, you will die their way and not yours.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Yet another telltale sign of the creeping fascist totalitarian collectivism. One point for authority and privilege. No points for truth and justice. Guns drawn! There is no such thing as public safety. The cops are into summary executions. They want practice.

Hatha

[BrewTech]

Who the F do they have their guns pointed at, and why? Sorry if I'm dense, but I didn't get it from the video...

[keehah]

Who the F do they have their guns pointed at, and why? Sorry if I'm dense, but I didn't get it from the video...


“Raw food raid highlights a hunger” — says the Los Angeles Times (http://thebovine.wordpress.com/2010/07/25/raw-food-raid-highlights-a-hunger-says-los-angeles-times/)

“With no warning one weekday morning, investigators entered an organic grocery with a search warrant and ordered the hemp-clad workers to put down their buckets of mashed coconut cream and to step away from the nuts.

Then, guns drawn, four officers fanned out across Rawesome Foods in Venice. Skirting past the arugula and peering under crates of zucchini, they found the raid’s target inside a walk-in refrigerator: unmarked jugs of raw milk.

“I still can’t believe they took our yogurt,” said Rawesome volunteer Sea J. Jones, a few days after the raid.

[Phoenix]

If people will not use ARMED FORCE to protect the wholesomeness of their food, they will not effectively resist anything.

This country is doomed.

[Phoenix]

How come all those cops are always big and fat?.......did you see the lady cop? she was busting out of her uniform.........by the way, you will die their way and not yours.


Wrong, I will die my way, which is in armed defense of family, home, and liberty.

[keehah]

The rest of the article:


The day after the raid, Hershberger cut the DATCP seals and defiantly re-opened for business. His confidence was buttressed by the fact that he decided that day to sign the contract with Right to Choose Healthy Food.

The deal is “simple,” says Hershberger, and besides, “I think Aajonus knows what he’s doing.”

The wizard of raws

Vonderplanitz followed up by sending a letter to Wisconsin’s DATCP explaining that Hershberger

… is not engaged in commerce. His farm animals are leased to Right To Choose Healthy Food’s Grazin’ Acres Farm Coop Club who owns them. Vernon Hershberger is the boarder, caretaker, milker, packager, and deliverer of our animals’ products. Since the private club owns dairy, egg, and meat production, there is no commerce involved. Since no commerce of buying or selling raw milk and our other products to the public is involved, or distributed in public places, government agencies have NO JURISDICTION over the production, labeling and use of the club’s products consumed by its members, nor is any permit required … It is shameful for (DATCP) to try to prevent us from producing and distributing our health-giving raw milk and other farm products to our members by threatening and imposing false warrants, seizures, and arrests of our property. Since you were duly warned that this was a private club and you had no jurisdiction over it, your actions were criminal stealing, kidnap, and trespass.

Though DATCP agents have since been back to his farm twice more with search warrants, the last time taking Hershberger’s computer, checkbook, and other records, there has been no sign of any criminal or other charges being filed against the farmer.

If the experiences of other farmers like Hershberger are any indication, there’s a good chance no charges will come. Over the last eight years, Vonderplanitz has put together lease agreements giving Right to Choose Healthy Food, and its hundreds of consumer members around the country, the rights to the land and produce of about 40 small farms.

While there have been a number of raids, especially in recent months, as I described previously for Grist, there have yet to be any legal challenges brought against the lease arrangements, he says. “If they had jurisdiction, they would have busted us a long time ago,” he told me.

Not only is Vonderplanitz not afraid of a legal challenge, he welcomes one. “I hope they file charges against us,” he says. While the distribution centers in major urban areas, like the one raided in Venice, must comply with fire codes and zoning regulations, they need not comply with food licensing or labeling laws required of foods sold to the public, he argues. Nor must they comply with the federal prohibition on interstate sales of raw milk. There can’t be such a prohibition for member leaseholders, he maintains, since they own the farm products when they are produced.

“If you take your property from Pennsylvania to California, there is no federal jurisdiction,” he says. Vonderplanitz likens the farm lease agreements to automobile leases. “In lease agreements, you have total ownership of the contract and responsibility for the items leased. If you wreck a leased car, you are totally responsible.”

The analogy is important, he says, since lease-related law has a 75-year history of recognition by our legal system. “Herdshare” and “cowshare” agreements, used in many states to give raw-milk drinkers shares in cows and goats, are less legally secure, he says. He likens the rights of a herdshare owner to those of an owner of stock in a major corporation, where shareholders have certain financial rights, but don’t necessarily have right to the corporation’s products, or responsibility for the products. (Though herdshare rights were upheld by an Ohio court in 2006, and the state didn’t appeal the case.)

Vonderplanitz maintains that the lease agreements aren’t just devices to enable foodies to avoid complying with food licensing rules and the federal interstate raw milk prohibition, and has successfully persuaded farmers who’ve considered backing out of the agreements to stand firm….”

[Phoenix]

Who the F do they have their guns pointed at, and why? Sorry if I'm dense, but I didn't get it from the video...


Pigs like playing with guns. They were worried a bunch of organic hippies might point a squash in their faces or something.

Around these parts, though, most of the hippies aren't the San Francisco type...they're armed.

[sirgonzo420]

If people will not use ARMED FORCE to protect the wholesomeness of their food, they will not effectively resist anything.

This country is doomed.


So everyone must pay every tax possible (even ones they aren't liable for), register all automobiles, and cower in fear at the power of the almighty State, but we are supposed to shoot to kill when a cop wants to shut down our raw milk supply?




???

[Joe King]

While I certainly do not agree with their tactics, aren't they merely enforcing the "letter of the law" as written in US Code?

Does anyone know how long the regulations they're "enforcing" have been on the books?
i.e. when did Congress pass a Law that made it illegal to sell raw food?

[Uncle Salty]

If people will not use ARMED FORCE to protect the wholesomeness of their food, they will not effectively resist anything.

This country is doomed.


Um, yeah, dying for some raw milk is really worth it.

[Ponce]

Cops are very insecured when ever they don't have their gun in their hands......to me that they are traying to show you their "other" gun........the one that they don't have.

[keehah]

The psychopaths enjoy it, and the regular folk cops can use it to dehumanize their victims to make their job easier.

[Joe King]

Cops are very insecured when ever they don't have their gun in their hands......to me that they are traying to show you their "other" gun........the one that they don't have.Are you saying that they have no "love gun," and are trying to make up for it?
I wonder what is the big deal about raw milk. As a child I drank milk that was still warm, straight from the pail. Delicious. Beats Ice Cream.
What I see the "big deal" being, is that people over the past 100 years or so elected other people to represenat them in their gov and then turned a blind eye to most everything those represenatives did once in office.
Like passing laws making raw foods illegal.
To which the zombies replied, "that's ok, it doesn't affect me", and then they went along in order to get along.
And the process continues today.

[Saul Mine]

What I see the "big deal" being, is that people over the past 100 years or so elected other people to represenat them in their gov and then turned a blind eye to most everything those represenatives did once in office.
Like passing laws making raw foods illegal.
To which the zombies replied, "that's ok, it doesn't affect me", and then they went along in order to get along.
And the process continues today.

It's not just the last 100 years. It has been forever. As soon as you build a city everyone learns "You can't fight City Hall."

[Joe King]

What I see the "big deal" being, is that people over the past 100 years or so elected other people to represenat them in their gov and then turned a blind eye to most everything those represenatives did once in office.
Like passing laws making raw foods illegal.
To which the zombies replied, "that's ok, it doesn't affect me", and then they went along in order to get along.
And the process continues today.

It's not just the last 100 years. It has been forever. As soon as you build a city everyone learns "You can't fight City Hall."

True, but it's been much accelerated in the last 80-100 years.
Especially after the fag FDR weasled his way into office and subverted the Constitution with his raw deal.

Not saying he was perfect, but we havn't had a decent POTUSA since Herbert Hoover.

[Olmstein]

Those cops are just following orders from their bosses.

http://www.lifeinthemixtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/monsanto-no-food.gif

[Phoenix]

So everyone must pay every tax possible (even ones they aren't liable for), register all automobiles, and cower in fear at the power of the almighty State, but we are supposed to shoot to kill when a cop wants to shut down our raw milk supply?


If you believe giving a portion of your money to the government as tribute is equal to being denied access to God's wholesome foods, then you are truly beyond help.

You pay the government for the same reason you pay the Mafia: they otherwise leave you alone. When it gets to the point they won't leave you alone, you do what is necessary.

[Phoenix]

If people will not use ARMED FORCE to protect the wholesomeness of their food, they will not effectively resist anything.

This country is doomed.


Um, yeah, dying for some raw milk is really worth it.


Um, yeah, dying for non-GMO food is really worth it.

When do you say "ENOUGH!"?

[Joe King]

If people will not use ARMED FORCE to protect the wholesomeness of their food, they will not effectively resist anything.This country is doomed.
Um, yeah, dying for some raw milk is really worth it.
Um, yeah, dying for non-GMO food is really worth it.
When do you say "ENOUGH!"?
You'll staunchly advocate that everyone waive all other Rights, but not your Right to raw milk? lol
Perhaps you should have held your Represenatives accountable instead of just going along to get along.

See what happens when you do that? They eventually take away your milk.

[Shami-Amourae]

After the Elites starve us all off with their government approved "food", I'm sure they'll get to put things back together again for themselves, amirite?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anEtcNAhkzI
Bill Gates, Rockefeller Foundation, and Monsanto fund it... (http://www.survivalistseeds.com/Doomsday_Seed_Vault.html)

[Awoke]

What I see the "big deal" being, is that people over the past 100 years or so elected other people to represenat them in their gov and then turned a blind eye to most everything those represenatives did once in office.
Like passing laws making raw foods illegal.
To which the zombies replied, "that's ok, it doesn't affect me", and then they went along in order to get along.
And the process continues today.

It's not just the last 100 years. It has been forever. As soon as you build a city everyone learns "You can't fight City Hall."

True, but it's been much accelerated in the last 80-100 years.
Especially after the fag FDR weasled his way into office and subverted the Constitution with his raw deal.

Not saying he was perfect, but we havn't had a decent POTUSA since Herbert Hoover.


FDR = jew and traitor (http://gentilealliance.org/?tag=fdr-was-a-jew)

Just sayin.

[jaybone]

Those cops are just following orders from their bosses.

http://www.lifeinthemixtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/monsanto-no-food.gif



I read somewhere that the dairy industry is so vehemently opposed to raw dairy sales because only milk from healthy, grass-fed, hormone and antibiotic free organisms can be safely consumed raw. They don't have ANY animals that fit that description and cannot produce a raw product for a profit.

Agribusiness milk HAS to be pasteurized.

IF your business model is based on raising frankenKows cheaply, then pasteurizing it to make it fit to drink, you cannot have people with healthy happy cows gaining any advantage.
It makes sense; the laws are certainly not there to protect the consumer, that is just plain naive.

[horseshoe3]

While I certainly do not agree with their tactics, aren't they merely enforcing the "letter of the law" as written in US Code?

Does anyone know how long the regulations they're "enforcing" have been on the books?
i.e. when did Congress pass a Law that made it illegal to sell raw food?



US code does not forbid selling raw milk. It only forbids transporting it across state lines. The various laws forbidding the sale of raw milk are all at the state level and they are all different. I have heard that Cali has the most restrictive laws of any state.

[DMac]

A bankrupt state, one literally handing out IOUs to pay for services, has enough cash on hand to finance the raid of an organic grocer that is selling raw milk. A guns drawn raid like the "perps" were hiding Al Capone or El Padrino.

Meanwhile gangs have taken over various regions of the state.

I might be crazy but this is just plain nuts!

[horseshoe3]

Those cops are just following orders from their bosses.

http://www.lifeinthemixtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/monsanto-no-food.gif



I read somewhere that the dairy industry is so vehemently opposed to raw dairy sales because only milk from healthy, grass-fed, hormone and antibiotic free organisms can be safely consumed raw. They don't have ANY animals that fit that description and cannot produce a raw product for a profit.

Agribusiness milk HAS to be pasteurized.

IF your business model is based on raising frankenKows cheaply, then pasteurizing it to make it fit to drink, you cannot have people with healthy happy cows gaining any advantage.
It makes sense; the laws are certainly not there to protect the consumer, that is just plain naive.


That's one reason. Another is that these laws push the small farmer out of the market. Anyone with one or a few cows can milk them and sell the milk for a reasonable profit. However, pasteurization equipment is expensive, and you would have to have a lot of cows to justify the cost. Either that or join a dairy cartel who would pasteurize it for you. Most mainstream dairy farmers choose the latter. Once they do that, they are at the mercy of Big Dairy.

I currently sell raw milk for $3.25, which is right at the retail price in my area. My cost of production is $1.15 EXCLUDING labor. Depending on how I value my time, I make a nice profit per gallon. I milk 2 Milking Shorthorn cows at any given time. They give 4-5 gallons each per day. It's a nice sideline, especially since I'm doing it for my own consumption and just selling the excess. If it were legal to sell raw milk at retail, I would expand and make a pretty good living at it.

If I were to go mainstream, I would join the cartel. They would pay me $1.40 per gallon. To stay afloat on a profit of $.25 EXCLUDING labor, I would have to get many more cows and I would have to replace my real honest to goodness cows with frankencows that give 15 gallons per day. Even at that, my profits would be slim. Dairy would not be enjoyable and I would probably quit. But hey, it you're a mega-corporation trying to corner the market, that's what you want people to do. And you won't be shy about using the force of government to put people out of business.

[palani]

In the meantime Barbara Bush (who runs the federal prison commissaries) provides prisoners with a non-nutritious cheese made in Florida that is completely chemical. One guy in the pen questioned why this cheese would not melt on the hamburger like normal cheese, one of the cooks got him a label from the box, there were complaints but end result was the cheese was removed from the menu.

The guy who complained got 30 days in solitary confinement for his contribution.

[MNeagle]

In the meantime Barbara Bush (who runs the federal prison commissaries) provides prisoners with a non-nutritious cheese made in Florida that is completely chemical. One guy in the pen questioned why this cheese would not melt on the hamburger like normal cheese, one of the cooks got him a label from the box, there were complaints but end result was the cheese was removed from the menu.

The guy who complained got 30 days in solitary confinement for his contribution.


I'm wondering if the prisoners are eating healthier than the school kids...

[palani]

Anytime the FDA regulates something like drugs or raw milk or raw food of any type it is based upon MAN OR OTHER ANIMAL arguments. Just check the code they are enforcing.

Anytime this argument is enforced there is an inherent defense built in that is religious in nature. Adask talks of the Texas AG coming after him for his involvement in colloidal silver and he got the state to back off when he raised the stakes.

http://adask.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/man-or-other-animals-drug-laws-a-jewish-conspiracy/

This is all a chess game. Should a conviction result that is overturned upon appeal then you now have a citable case that can be applied to literally millions of cases where people are being held in prison on drug related charges. THE STAKES BECOME VERY LARGE for the state to NOT LOSE ANY CASE UPON THESE PRINCIPLES.

[palani]

I'm wondering if the prisoners are eating healthier than the school kids...


Judging by the prozac consumption in schools probably not. Prisons are actually very health conscious (so I am told). They occasionally prescribe "diesel therapy" to high profile prisoners ... bus them around constantly ... keep them on the move with little exercise.

[Heimdhal]

Horseshoe,

excuse my ignorance on the subject.

I've been wanting raw milk (mostly for making cheeses, since we dont actualy drink a lot of milk myself) for a long time now, but I am hesitant to buy it from one I dont know because I dont know how good they take care of their cows, etc.

What is usualy done to insure no cross contamination into the milk from anything that might be on the udders/animal? Just a little scrub down or something?

Eventualy we plan on having our own milking animals (goats, mainly) and I've wondered because I know they can get pretty dirty.

[I am me, I am free]

How come all those cops are always big and fat?.......did you see the lady cop? she was busting out of her uniform.........by the way, you will die their way and not yours.


Wrong, I will die my way, which is in armed defense of family, home, and liberty.


And the death cult's JBTs will merrily accommodate you - which I comprehend is your preference, since you're a big time supporter of the death cult. What better way to go than kissing your masters' hand and giving 'em what they want??

I intend to outsurvive them.

[horseshoe3]

Horseshoe,

excuse my ignorance on the subject.

I've been wanting raw milk (mostly for making cheeses, since we dont actualy drink a lot of milk myself) for a long time now, but I am hesitant to buy it from one I dont know because I dont know how good they take care of their cows, etc.

What is usualy done to insure no cross contamination into the milk from anything that might be on the udders/animal? Just a little scrub down or something?

Eventualy we plan on having our own milking animals (goats, mainly) and I've wondered because I know they can get pretty dirty.



Definitely take a tour of the farm. Most of the raw milk/homestead type farmers would be proud to show you around. They take pride in what they are doing for the environment, their animals and the food supply. If someone refuses to show you their farm, don't buy from them.

If the teats are dry, we just rub them down with a rough, dry towel and inspect to make sure there is no visible muck on them. Sometimes the manure is caked on so we have to use a wet towel to scrub them clean. Then we dry them - this is important because germs travel much better in liquid. For the first couple of years, we milked by hand into a bucket. We now have a single cow vacuum milker. I like that a lot better because there is very little chance for contamination. When milking into a bucket, we would always have dry skin, hair and other stuff falling off the cow into the bucket. We survived, but it's still nice to know you are doing it cleaner than before.

Equipment care is even more important than what goes on in the barn. If the milk gets a little bit of dirt in it, it goes right into the refrigerator and doesn't grow as fast. Any contamination on the milking equipment will sit around at room temperature and grow until the next milking. Make sure they clean their milkers and buckets VERY well.

Other considerations are the living space. It should be well drained so that the cows are not lying around in their own manure. They should have plenty of room to move around and act like cows. Pasture is best, but there are times of year when that is not possible. They should always have access to the outdoors.

Feed should be grass and legume based. A little grain is probably OK, but it shouldn't be a major part of the diet. Make sure they are not using growth hormones (this shouldn't be an issue with the raw milk types), or oxytoccin on a regular basis. Make sure the cow is tested TB free.

Raw milk also has several good bacteria that will help resist the bacterial contamination that may occur. These bacteria are killed during pasteurization. That is why all the bad e.coli outbreaks are in pasteurized milk. In fact, since 1980 there have been 28 deaths traced to milk contamination. All of them have been in pasteurized milk.

Cheese is a different world and one that I have not gone very far into. I do know that any contamination concerns are magnified with cheese. You are basically engaging in (hopefully) controlled bacterial growth. I know that raw milk cheese is legal to sell in my state, but it must be aged a certain amount of time.

[jaybone]

Some general info on raw dairy:
http://www.realmilk.com/

and comment from Dr. Mercola:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/04/17/mark-mcafee-interview.aspx

I was hesitant to try raw milk at first, I expected it to be thick or gamey; just my programming trying to resist de-programming.
guess what? it tastes like MILK, nothing weird at all.
I met one fine Amish gentleman that raised my milk. I could tell that he loved his animals, and treated them like he would want someone to treat one of his own children. That love comes through in the product.

There is alot of natural bacteria in there, most of which also live in your gut and perform good work for you.
People with compromised immune systems should be aware of this though.

[Phoenix]

I intend to outsurvive them.


You don't do that by refusing to pay tribute.

[sirgonzo420]

I intend to outsurvive them.


You don't do that by refusing to pay tribute.


You don't keep your honor by paying a tyrant tribute either.

[Phoenix]

I intend to outsurvive them.


You don't do that by refusing to pay tribute.


You don't keep your honor by paying a tyrant tribute either.


You've never paid taxes?

[sirgonzo420]

I intend to outsurvive them.


You don't do that by refusing to pay tribute.


You don't keep your honor by paying a tyrant tribute either.


You've never paid taxes?



Technically, no, I've never paid taxes.

[Phoenix]

I intend to outsurvive them.


You don't do that by refusing to pay tribute.


You don't keep your honor by paying a tyrant tribute either.


You've never paid taxes?



Technically, no, I've never paid taxes.




No sales taxes, no fuel taxes when you purchase gasoline, no permit "fees," no nothing, ever?

[sirgonzo420]

I intend to outsurvive them.


You don't do that by refusing to pay tribute.


You don't keep your honor by paying a tyrant tribute either.


You've never paid taxes?



Technically, no, I've never paid taxes.




No sales taxes, no fuel taxes when you purchase gasoline, no permit "fees," no nothing, ever?




The keyword is "paid".

You can't *pay* for anything with debt-notes.

So even when I was "going along to get along" I wasn't "paying" - I was merely discharging debt with FRNs.

Now, I don't even do that, except for sales tax... and I still "pay" the same price for gas as everyone else (gas tax is included in the price).

But I don't sign any forms or any of that nonsense anymore.

I don't owe the IRS a damn thing.

[StackerKen]

Good Point 420

If we have never given the .Gov any gold or silver...we have not given them any "Money"

The FRN's belong to the Gov.

Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's,

[Phoenix]

The keyword is "paid".


"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

OK, Bill Clinton. ::)




You can't *pay* for anything with debt-notes.


Sophistry.




So even when I was "going along to get along" I wasn't "paying" - I was merely discharging debt with FRNs.


You received Federal Reserve Notes for goods or services you gave to someone else, and you gave same FRNs to the government as "taxes" = YOU PAID TAXES.




Now, I don't even do that, except for sales tax... and I still "pay" the same price for gas as everyone else (gas tax is included in the price).


Yup, you PAID TAXES. So much for your "honor."




I don't owe the IRS a damn thing.


Neither do I, but I pay them anyways so they don't show up with guns later.

US Government = the Mafia without a sense of humor.

[sirgonzo420]

The keyword is "paid".


"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

OK, Bill Clinton. ::)




You can't *pay* for anything with debt-notes.


Sophistry.




So even when I was "going along to get along" I wasn't "paying" - I was merely discharging debt with FRNs.


You received Federal Reserve Notes for goods or services you gave to someone else, and you gave same FRNs to the government as "taxes" = YOU PAID TAXES.




Now, I don't even do that, except for sales tax... and I still "pay" the same price for gas as everyone else (gas tax is included in the price).


Yup, you PAID TAXES. So much for your "honor."




I don't owe the IRS a damn thing.


Neither do I, but I pay them anyways so they don't show up with guns later.

US Government = the Mafia without a sense of humor.


If you thought that was sophistry stay the hell away from lawbooks.

lol

[Phoenix]

If you thought that was sophistry stay the hell away from lawbooks.


I try my best! It's like reading the Talmud...a do only when you must kinda thing.

[sirgonzo420]

If you thought that was sophistry stay the hell away from lawbooks.


I try my best! It's like reading the Talmud...a do only when you must kinda thing.


It's funny... jews don't want us goyim reading and studying the talmud, and they don't particularly want us reading and studying law either - at least not without one of their BAR carded attorn-eys looking over our shoulder.

[Joe King]

While I certainly do not agree with their tactics, aren't they merely enforcing the "letter of the law" as written in US Code?
Does anyone know how long the regulations they're "enforcing" have been on the books?
i.e. when did Congress pass a Law that made it illegal to sell raw food?

US code does not forbid selling raw milk. It only forbids transporting it across state lines. The various laws forbidding the sale of raw milk are all at the state level and they are all different. I have heard that Cali has the most restrictive laws of any state.

Ok. I was under the impression the Feds were involved and/or led the raid in question, as well as raids in other States we've been hearing about lately.

So in this case it was the good people of California who were asleep at the switch while these laws against victim-lass crimes were being enacted.
Thanks for clarifying. :)

[Joe King]

Anytime the FDA regulates something like drugs or raw milk or raw food of any type it is based upon MAN OR OTHER ANIMAL arguments. Just check the code they are enforcing.
Anytime this argument is enforced there is an inherent defense built in that is religious in nature. Adask talks of the Texas AG coming after him for his involvement in colloidal silver and he got the state to back off when he raised the stakes.
http://adask.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/man-or-other-animals-drug-laws-a-jewish-conspiracy/
This is all a chess game. Should a conviction result that is overturned upon appeal then you now have a citable case that can be applied to literally millions of cases where people are being held in prison on drug related charges. THE STAKES BECOME VERY LARGE for the state to NOT LOSE ANY CASE UPON THESE PRINCIPLES.

Which is also why they'll dismiss the charges if they're not sure they can win, as the last thing the .gov wants is to allow some peon to win a case that sets precedent and prevents the .gov from doing what .gov wants. Better that a few get out of their clutches than to help create a blueprint for everyone to use.

Dismissal=win in todays legal system.

[Joe King]

If you thought that was sophistry stay the hell away from lawbooks.


I try my best! It's like reading the Talmud...a do only when you must kinda thing.

It's funny... jews don't want us goyim reading and studying the talmud, and they don't particularly want us reading and studying law either - at least not without one of their BAR carded attorn-eys looking over our shoulder.
It doesn't matter who the ruling class is, or their ethnic makeup.

Any ruling class would prefer that those ruled over remain ignorant of the actul rules.

Same as if you don't actually know what your Rights are, I can tell you whatever I want you to think they are, while knowing full well that you can't effectively say otherwise.

[Phoenix]

If you thought that was sophistry stay the hell away from lawbooks.


I try my best! It's like reading the Talmud...a do only when you must kinda thing.


It's funny... jews don't want us goyim reading and studying the talmud, and they don't particularly want us reading and studying law either - at least not without one of their BAR carded attorn-eys looking over our shoulder.




"Every Goy who studies the Talmud, and every Jew who helps him in it, ought to die."

The Babylonian Talmud

Get yourself marked for death! -

http://www.come-and-hear.com/

As for "the law," I ignore "laws" about "unauthorized practice of law." I don't "practice" - I only exercise freedom of conscience and speech.

[sirgonzo420]

If you thought that was sophistry stay the hell away from lawbooks.


I try my best! It's like reading the Talmud...a do only when you must kinda thing.


It's funny... jews don't want us goyim reading and studying the talmud, and they don't particularly want us reading and studying law either - at least not without one of their BAR carded attorn-eys looking over our shoulder.




"Every Goy who studies the Talmud, and every Jew who helps him in it, ought to die."

The Babylonian Talmud

Get yourself marked for death! -

http://www.come-and-hear.com/

As for "the law," I ignore "laws" about "unauthorized practice of law." I don't "practice" - I only exercise freedom of conscience and speech.


Me too, brother.

I don't practice either, just exercise freedom.

[k-os]

See, you guys can agree! ;D

[Phoenix]

See, you guys can agree! ;D


We used to agree a lot at GIM.

[sirgonzo420]

See, you guys can agree! ;D


We used to agree a lot at GIM.


I still agree with a lot of what you post, but like any two people, we have some differences.

I don't hold our differences against you though... as a matter of fact I enjoy the lively discussion! ;D

But anyway, don't think I hate you or anything like that.

[StackerKen]

Cool... :)

Group Hug time? |--0--|

[Phoenix]

But anyway, don't think I hate you or anything like that.


Could've fooled me with that "Quantum" shit! ;D