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Cebu_4_2
3rd August 2010, 06:08 PM
What a fvcking joke! Like their following the Constitution, since like when??? Sorry but this gets under my skin.

Republicans want review of birthright citizenship
AP

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Mitch McConnell AP – Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Ky., talks to the media on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, …
By BEN EVANS, Associated Press Writer Ben Evans, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 18 mins ago

WASHINGTON – Leading Republicans are joining a push to reconsider the constitutional amendment that grants automatic citizenship to people born in the United States.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said Tuesday he supports holding hearings on the 14th Amendment right, although he emphasized that Washington's immigration focus should remain on border security.

His comments came as other Republicans in recent days have questioned or challenged birthright citizenship, embracing a cause that had largely been confined to the far right.

The senators include Arizona's John McCain, the party's 2008 presidential nominee; Arizona's Jon Kyl, the Republicans' second-ranking senator; Alabama's Jeff Sessions, the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee, and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a leading negotiator on immigration legislation.

"I'm not sure exactly what the drafters of the (14th) amendment had in mind, but I doubt it was that somebody could fly in from Brazil and have a child and fly back home with that child, and that child is forever an American citizen," Sessions said.

Legal experts say repealing the citizenship right can be done only through constitutional amendment, which would require approval by two-thirds majorities in both chambers of Congress and by three-fourths of the states. Legislation to amend the right, introduced previously in the House, has stalled.

The proposals are sure to appeal to conservative voters as immigration so far is playing a central role in November's elections. They also could carry risks by alienating Hispanic voters and alarming moderates who could view constitutional challenges as extreme. Hispanics have become the largest minority group in the United States, and many are highly driven by the illegal immigrant debate.

McConnell and McCain seemed to recognize the risk by offering guarded statements Tuesday.

McCain, who faces a challenge from the right in his re-election bid, said he supports reviewing citizenship rights. He emphasized, however, that amending the Constitution is a serious matter.

"I believe that the Constitution is a strong, complete and carefully crafted document that has successfully governed our nation for centuries and any proposal to amend the Constitution should receive extensive and thoughtful consideration," he said.

(Is this guy really that brainwashed or am I reading it out of context?)

At a news conference, McConnell refused to endorse Graham's suggestion that citizenship rights be repealed for children of illegal immigrants. While refusing to take questions, he suggested instead that he would look narrowly into reports of businesses that help immigrants arrange to have babies in the United States in order to win their children U.S. citizenship.

The 14th Amendment, adopted in 1868 in the aftermath of the Civil War, (after the incorporation of the US) granted citizenship to "all persons born or naturalized in the United States," including recently freed slaves.

Defenders of the amendment say altering it would weaken a fundamental American value while doing little to deter illegal immigration. They also say it would create bureaucratic hardships for parents giving birth.

Quoting a newspaper columnist, Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada said Republicans were "either taking leave of their senses or their principles" in advocating repeal.

An estimated 10.8 million illegal immigrants were living in the U.S. as of January 2009, according to the Homeland Security Department. The Pew Hispanic Center estimates that as of 2008, there were 3.8 million illegal immigrants in this country whose children are U.S. citizens.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100803/ap_on_go_co/us_republicans_birthright_citizenship

Apparition
3rd August 2010, 06:35 PM
I happen to have some issues with the 14th amendment as well.

Are illegal aliens subject to the jurisdiction thereof and thus entitled to birthright citizenship? The US-born children of foreign diplomats are barred from receiving birthright citizenship, so why should illegal aliens be granted such?

I'd prefer the passage of a constitutional amendment modifying the 14th which requires that both parents possess US citizenship, and maybe legal permanent resident status, before any children are granted US citizenship but the odds are obviously and very heavily against that possibility.

Ponce
3rd August 2010, 06:59 PM
What I would do...........all illegals out of the country, if they have a kid born here the kid can stay with someone who would take responsibility for him or her.

If the parents wants to take the kid with them then the kid at age 18 can claim US citizenship and return to the US.............why make something so simply hard?

willie pete
3rd August 2010, 07:13 PM
I happen to have some issues with the 14th amendment as well.

Are illegal aliens subject to the jurisdiction thereof and thus entitled to birthright citizenship? The children of diplomats are barred from receiving birthright citizenship so why should illegal aliens be granted such?

I'd prefer the passage of a constitutional amendment modifying the 14th which requires that both parents possess US citizenship, and maybe legal permanent resident status, before any children are granted US citizenship but the odds are obviously and very heavily against that possibility.


Or at least ONE of the parents has to be a citizen, otherwise throw'em back :D

palani
3rd August 2010, 07:15 PM
(15) “United States” means—
(A) a Federal corporation;
(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or
(C) an instrumentality of the United States.

There are no live births in a federal corporation.

steyr_m
3rd August 2010, 07:17 PM
Or at least ONE of the parents has to be a citizen, otherwise throw'em back :D


What if one of the parents is a fence jumper too?

TheNocturnalEgyptian
3rd August 2010, 07:26 PM
WOW a public discussion of the 14th ammendment....this is big....I don't think this has been publicly discussed in the news for at least as long as I have been alive.

Apparition
3rd August 2010, 07:29 PM
WOW a public discussion of the 14th ammendment....this is big....is something about to happen?


It could be.

There are just few Republican senators proposing a modification to the 14th Amendment.

This could possibly revive the amnesty debate but I don't see it occurring during this session but possibly next year.

Eyebone
3rd August 2010, 07:34 PM
We don't need another amendment we just need a supreme court decision.

shakinginmyshoes
3rd August 2010, 07:38 PM
What I would do...........all illegals out of the country, if they have a kid born here the kid can stay with someone who would take responsibility for him or her.

If the parents wants to take the kid with them then the kid at age 18 can claim US citizenship and return to the US.............why make something so simply hard?

I'll go even farther. All illegals out AND their "anchor babies" too. If neither parent is a citizen at the time of birth, then you're not a citizen either, you are an illegal alien kid.

steyr_m
3rd August 2010, 08:07 PM
WOW a public discussion of the 14th ammendment....this is big....I don't think this has been publicly discussed in the news for at least as long as I have been alive.


This is big, but I doubt if it goes anywhere. Republicans don't give a crap about it. It's controlled opposition until they win some more seats in Nov.; but then again it doesn't really matter who wins. It's two heads on one snake, one bird with the same wings, whatever metaphor you can think of.....

willie pete
3rd August 2010, 08:10 PM
Or at least ONE of the parents has to be a citizen, otherwise throw'em back :D


What if one of the parents is a fence jumper too?


Throw'em back over the fence :D

Apparition
3rd August 2010, 08:14 PM
WOW a public discussion of the 14th ammendment....this is big....I don't think this has been publicly discussed in the news for at least as long as I have been alive.


This is big, but I doubt if it goes anywhere. Republicans don't give a crap about it. It's controlled opposition until they win some more seats in Nov.; but then again it doesn't really matter who wins. It's two heads on one snake, one bird with the same wings, whatever metaphor you can think of.....


Agreed.

Despite this, it's been that reported that senator lindsey grahamnesty is possibly writing an amnesty bill to be proposed next year which includes modifying the birthright citizenship rule.

Hopefully, this will be inserted to poison the bill if it's ever proposed.

Other than that, it's just controlled opposition intended to enrage potential voters during an election year,as stated previously.