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Phoenix
4th August 2010, 01:35 PM
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/sokolow-s-niece-not-jewish-enough-to-marry-here-1.304882

Sokolow's niece 'not Jewish enough' to marry here
After being told she needed to prove the Jewishness of her maternal lineage for four generations, Hillary Rubin is questioning her decision to move to Israel.
By Raphael Ahren

Hillary Rubin felt she was living out her ancestors' dream when she decided to move to Israel in 2006. Now she says she is being forced to leave the country to fulfill her own dream - getting married.

"Zionism runs in my family," the Detroit native says, adding that her grandfather's uncle was Zionist leader Nahum Sokolow.

But after filing for a wedding license and being told she needed to prove the Jewishness of her maternal lineage for four generations, she is wondering whether she made the right decision in immigrating to a Jewish state that doubts her Jewishness.

"I'm furious with this country right now," the 29-year-old international relations student told Anglo File this week. "I'm the great-great-niece of a prominent Zionist and I am always a supporter of this country, but this really frustrated me and I can totally understand why a lot of my Anglo friends left this country."

Rubin, who was raised in a Conservative household, produced letters from four Conservative rabbis and one Chabad rabbi attesting to her Jewishness. But the Herzliya Rabbinate said the letters were not enough and asked her to bring ketubot, or religious wedding contracts, as well as birth or death certificates of her mother, grandmother, great-grandmother and great-great-grandmother.

"It was made very clear that without ketubot and without birth certificates from four generations, I would need to go to the Beit Din [local rabbinical court]," Rubin told Anglo File this week. "I told him, time and time again, that my grandparents are Shoah survivors [and thus their ketubot no longer exist] and I was told that wasn't his problem."

The Herzliya Rabbinate responded that it kept to strict standards "of Moses and Israel" for affirming one's faith.

There is no civil marriage in Israel, forcing couples to either go through a local Rabbinate or marry abroad. The Chief Rabbinate recently enacted new guidelines automatically sending marriage candidates whose parents did not wed in Israel to a local rabbinical court to determine whether they are really Jewish.

The new regulations do not specify which documents are needed to conclusively determine a person's Jewishness. It's likely that Rubin's letters would not have proven sufficient for them, according to a rabbi with knowledge of the system.

Rubin fears the rabbinical court might declare her a non-Jew and thus decided to get married without the Rabbinate's blessing. Instead, Rubin and her Johannesburg-born fiance' Craig Glaser will tie the knot in a Conservative ceremony on a moshav in the Sharon region in two weeks. Since Conservative weddings are not recognized by the state, they plan to fly for one day to Cyprus for a civil marriage - an option used by many Israeli couples unable, or unwilling, to satisfy the Rabbinate's demands.

The rabbinical court does not actually declare somebody a non-Jew without proof of their belonging to another religion, but Rubin would still run the risk of being left in the situation of not being officially Jewish by the state's standards should she turn to them.

"At this point, I no longer want to play be their rules. I want to fight what they're doing," Rubin, who observes Shabbat and keeps kosher, said.

When Anglo File called the Rabbinate's marriage department this week, a man who said he was its director but declined to state his name said he remembered the case. He said the couple was referred to the rabbinical court in Tel Aviv to have their Jewishness affirmed, and that before this is done he cannot let them get married. When he learned they had decided to get married in Cyprus to avoid the rabbinical court, he said nonchalantly: "Good for them. We are only marrying people according to the law of Moses and Israel."

Rubin and her fiance' - whose documents were accepted by the rabbinate as valid proof of Jewishness - did not even want to try to convince the rabbinical court that she is a Jew. "I can't provide them with the documents they want. I am the granddaughter of four Holocaust survivors, any documents my grandparents may have had from their families we don't have anymore ... Who has a death certificate from somebody who was gassed to death? These things are frustrating because my grandparents were persecuted for being Jewish, and here I am being told I'm not exactly Jewish."

She is also concerned they might not declare her Jewish because her parents are divorced and she can no longer provide their ketuba. The facts that her parents' get, or bill of divorce, was prepared by a Conservative rabbi and that her mother has since remarried a Catholic would further lead the rabbis to deny her their official stamp of approval, she said.

The young couple believes the consequences of going through the rabbinical court are "much worse" than not going at all.

"It's as if one day you wake up and you're no longer a Jew in the Jewish State but outside Israel you are still Jewish enough to be hated by most of the world," Rubin says. "It's a weird feeling. It's hard enough to grasp the idea that your Judaism may not be valid but then to be told you're not actually Jewish according to the Jewish state - it's ostracizing."

gunDriller
4th August 2010, 04:17 PM
Israel & the US together make the Third Reich look like the Boy Scouts.

but then Israel & the US financed Nazi Germany and it was a group of Israeli Jews that selected the Jews that would be left behind in Nazi Germany - their political opponents, European Jews who did not support Israel.

Mill Man
4th August 2010, 06:02 PM
So, shes angry they want her to prove her pedigree to join their club? F you lady. Die in a fire.

Buddha
4th August 2010, 06:07 PM
So, shes angry they want her to prove her pedigree to join their club? F you lady. Die in a fire.


"I'm the great-great-niece of a prominent Zionist and I am always a supporter of this country..."

She is not evil enough to join their club. One must have at least 4 generations of evil to join.

hoarder
4th August 2010, 06:13 PM
I don't find it so surprizing that the Master Race is protective of their lineage. Eugenics is what got them where they are. I can't really blame them for that.

General of Darkness
4th August 2010, 06:36 PM
This story needs to be shared far and wide to help expose the jews as the hypocrites that they are. Good find Fred, you son of a bee. ;D

Phoenix
4th August 2010, 08:45 PM
This story needs to be shared far and wide to help expose the jews as the hypocrites that they are. Good find Fred, you son of a bee. ;D


My specialty, my pleasure! :D

Buddha
4th August 2010, 08:59 PM
This story needs to be shared far and wide to help expose the jews as the hypocrites that they are. Good find Fred, you son of a bee. ;D


My specialty, my pleasure! :D


The hypocrisy IS truly astounding. Now apply this to all other things that Israel does. Foreign policy, economic/fiscal policy, PR etc.

hoarder
4th August 2010, 09:15 PM
What's good for the goyim is not good for the Khazars:


"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial tensions. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause."
Israel Cohen, A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, 1912. Also in the Congressional Record, Vol. 103, p. 8559, June 7, 1957

As late as January 12, 1952 the Canadian Intelligence Service provided the contents of a speech delivered by Rabbi Emanuel Rabinovich to a special meeting of the Emergency Council of European Rabbis in Budapest, Hungary:
"The goal for which we have striven so concertedly for three thousand years is at last within our reach, and because its fulfillment is so apparent, it behooves us to increase our efforts and our caution tenfold. I can safely promise you that before ten years have passed, our race will take its rightful place in the world, with every Jew a king and every Gentile a slave. We will openly reveal our identity with the races of Asia and Africa. I can state with assurance that the last generation of white children is now being born.
Our control Commissions will, in the interest of peace and wiping out of interracial tensions, forbid the whites to mate with white. The white woman must cohabit with members of the dark races, the white men with black women. Thus the white race will disappear, for mixing the dark with white means the end of the white man, and our most dangerous enemy will become only a memory. We shall embark upon an era of ten thousand years of peace and plenty, the Pax Judaica, and our race will rule undisputed over the world. Our superior intelligence will easily enable us to regain mastery over a world of dark people."


"The Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah. It will attain world domination by the dissolution of other races...and by the establishment of a world republic in which everywhere the Jews will exercise the privilege of citizenship. In this New World Order the Children of Israel...will furnish all the leaders without encountering opposition..." (Karl Marx in a letter to Baruch Levy, quoted in Review de Paris, June 1, 1928, p. 574)

General of Darkness
4th August 2010, 09:25 PM
Posted the story on a gun forum and it got nuked faster than a hot pocket at Star Trek convention

Bullion_Bob
4th August 2010, 09:39 PM
Reminds me of that prank phone call where the Jewish father totally freaks out about his daughter merely dating a non Jew, and threatens murder over it.

Pretty closed minded racial ideologies going on here it would seem.

Joe King
4th August 2010, 09:42 PM
Isreal needs a secular gov to protect the Rights of all those within her borders.

Phoenix
4th August 2010, 09:46 PM
Posted the story on a gun forum and it got nuked faster than a hot pocket at Star Trek convention


You're lucky you weren't permabanned for it.

Bullion_Bob
4th August 2010, 10:43 PM
Whenever I'm feeling bored I like to send something similar to below to real estate companies in IL using their online forms.


"Shalom,

I am interested in getting some land in the West Bank. I am most interested in freshly acquired land from a Palestinian family.

I want to forcefully remove all traces of the previous owners, and construct a large walled style compound where I can make a symbol of the
previous occupants similar to a large grave/pit outside visible to other Palestinians as a warning not to trespass on my land.

I would like this to be the view from my kitchen window.

God sent me this idea in a dream to give as a gift in my holy faith.

God bless."

:D