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Shami-Amourae
4th August 2010, 07:09 PM
I often make my own chicken/beef stocks here and there, but sometimes I like to use bouillon cubes to save costs and time. The problem is that every bouillon cube I see on the market is loaded with MSG. What's worse is all the "organic" alternatives I've looked at have MSG in them too, but it's under another name. Here's a list of all the alternative names used for MSG to sneak it in to poison us:

Names of ingredients that always contain processed free glutamic acid:

Glutamic acid (E 620), Glutamate (E 620)
Monosodium glutamate (E 621)
Monopotassium glutamate (E 622)
Calcium glutamate (E 623)
Monoammonium glutamate (E 624)
Magnesium glutamate (E 625)
Natrium glutamate
Yeast extract
Anything “hydrolyzed”
Any “hydrolyzed protein”
Calcium caseinate, Sodium caseinate
Yeast food, Yeast nutrient
Autolyzed yeast
Gelatin
Textured protein
Vetsin
Ajinomoto



Names of ingredients that often contain or produce processed free glutamic acid:
Carrageenan (E 407)
Bouillon and broth
Stock
Whey protein, Whey protein concentrate
Whey protein isolate
Any “flavors” or “flavoring”
Maltodextrin
Citric acid (E 330)
Anything “ultra-pasteurized”
Barley malt
Pectin (E 440)
Protease
Anything “enzyme modified”
Anything containing “enzymes”
Malt extract
Soy sauce
Soy sauce extract
Soy protein, Soy protein concentrate, Soy protein isolate
Anything “protein fortified”
Anything “fermented”
Seasonings
Source (http://www.truthinlabeling.org/hiddensources_printable.pdf)

So what do we do? How do we get a good quality bullion (beyond making it ourselves) without the MSG?

Edit: Fixed "Bouillon" spelling, thanks Saul Mine

Saul Mine
4th August 2010, 07:42 PM
Bullion ( bull-yun ) Gold and silver that is officially recognized as high quality (at least 99.5% pure), usually in the form of bars or granules rather than coins.

Bouillon ( bwee-yoh or bwee-yon, sometimes bool-yawn ) a clear, usually seasoned broth made by straining water in which beef, chicken, etc., has been cooked, or by dissolving a commercially prepared bouillon cube or cubes in hot water. Origin: 1650–60; F, bouillir - to boil

I found this at dictionary.com and I was a bit surprised - I had thought that MSG was pretty much the definition of bouillon, with the flavor optional.

Oh, duh! You asked a question! Sorry about that. Use canned broth or cream of ____ soup.

Shorty Harris
5th August 2010, 05:24 AM
Shami, The one type of Bouillon that ive seen and used is called Herb-ox. It states on the jar "No MSG & Gluten Free". Ive seen it in both cubed and powder form. Ive used it before for canning of my chicken soup, Stock, and broth, but not recently though as I try to use only the meat and the carcass for flavor. I preferred the powder form to cubed. Ya might give it a shot.

Shami-Amourae
5th August 2010, 03:59 PM
Both of you are wrong, I'm sorry. Part of the reason I'm doing this thread is to expose how MSG is in so many things, EVEN if it says "No MSG Added". If people are afraid of MSG, and you want to maximize your customers, just call it another name! Sometimes they don't call it another name, but they can put in the active ingredients that create the MSG during the production process, so they in theory didn't add the MSG, but it was developed from the ingredients themselves. It's really unbelievable how far the Scientific Dictatorship goes to put poisons in our food, even if they have to mislead or flat out lie.

Here's the evidence:

KEY:
RED = Misleading name that is MSG
GREEN = Ingredient that produces MSG during the production process

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Herb-ox
http://hormelfoods.elsstore.com/app/images/product/large/03360000036l.jpg
Ingredients:
Sweetener (Sugar and/or Dextrose), Potassium Chloride, Onion Powder, Maltodextrin, Monoammonium Glutamate, Gelatin, Beef Fat, Autolyzed Yeast, Caramel Color, Spice, Disodium Inosinate, Disodium Guanylate, Natural Flavoring.



Better Than Bouillon
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/319r8ZguItL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
Ingredients:
Chicken Meat and Natural Juices, Salt, Cane Sugar, Maltodextrin, Natural Flavor, Dried Onion, Potato Starch, Dried Garlic, Turmeric and Spice Extractives. Certified Organic by QAI

MNeagle
5th August 2010, 05:19 PM
Anything “ultra-pasteurized”


oh spit, you mean our organic milk is hiding msg??? egads.

Shami-Amourae
5th August 2010, 09:15 PM
Anything “ultra-pasteurized”


oh spit, you mean our organic milk is hiding msg??? egads.


@2:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tc4-FQ8WIs

(I can't believe I'm quoting Pat Robertson...)

Sparky
5th August 2010, 11:19 PM
Any bouillon is fine. Just stay away from the numismatics.

MNeagle
10th January 2012, 05:03 PM
Hidden MSG (Monsodium Glutamate) in Chicken and Beef Stock and Broth

Does Chicken and Beef Broth/Stock exist without MSG? We’ll take a look at some of the major brands that claim “No MSG”. What we find may surprise you.
http://www.msgexposed.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/swanson_chicken_broth_msg.jpg Swanson Natural Goodness Chicken Broth contains MSG in the form of Autolyzed Yeast Extract


Swanson Natural Goodness Chicken Broth
Swanson puts on an image of being natural and healthy but all you need is to glance at their ingredient label for 2 seconds to see that it is all lip service. Autolyzed Yeast Extract is a big, big baddie. Autolyzed Yeast Extract means MSG (free glutamate). Swanson also has an “Organic” version of their chicken broth, and yup, you guessed it, there is MSG in it. They can get away with the “No MSG” labeling because technically there is no “monosodium glutamate” added to it. Monosodium Glutamate is a food additive. But you don’t need to add straight monosodium glutamate to a product to get glutamate into your product. There are ways to process foods that already contain glutamate and brake the amino acids (glutamate) from its protein binding. Once the amino acids are broken free from the proteins natural peptide bind the acids are now free, to make your food taste “better”, and free to wreck havock on your bodys glutamate receptors, especially your neurological system (your brain). For more about Yeast Extract read our article on Campbells Soup and their new deceptive marketing campaign. (http://www.msgexposed.com/campbells-new-msg-select-soup-and-the-yeast-extract-situation/)

Swanson Natural Goodness Chicken Stock Ingredients:
Chicken Stock, Contains Less Than 2% of: Salt, Flavoring, Dextrose, Autolyzed Yeast Extract, Celery Juice Concentrate, Carrot Juice Concentrate, Onion Juice Concentrate.
http://www.msgexposed.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/rachael_ray_chicken_beef_stock_in_a_box_msg.jpg Rachael Ray Stock-In-A-Box contains MSG

Rachael Ray’s Chicken and Beef Stock-In-A-Box
I don’t have the box in front of me so I don’t know if they make any claims of No MSG.As you can see, both flavors of stock contains “Yeast Extract”. If you don’t know what yeast extract is, you can read more here (http://www.msgexposed.com/campbells-new-msg-select-soup-and-the-yeast-extract-situation/). Yes, yeast extract means MSG (free glutamate).
Beef Stock Ingredients:
Concentrated beef stock (contains: beef stock, sea salt, yeast extract), vegetable stock (carrot, celery, onion, leek, natural flavor).
Chicken Stock Ingredients:
Chicken stock, sea salt, natural chicken flavor, yeast extract, chicken fat, garlic powder, vegetable stock (carrot, celery, onion), bay, thyme, marjoram, carrot powder.


http://www.msgexposed.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/walmart_chicken_broth_msg.jpg Walmart Chicken & Beef Broth contain MSG (free glutamate) in the form of Yeast Extract


Walmart Great Value Chicken Broth
Contains yeast extract which contains MSG (free glutamate).
Ingredients:
Chicken Broth from Concentrate, Yeast Extract, Salt, Natural Flavor.



Also see our list of Hidden Sources of MSG on Food Ingredient Labels. (http://www.msgexposed.com/hidden-sources-of-msg-monosodium-glutamate-on-food-ingredient-labels/)

http://www.msgexposed.com/hidden-msg-monsodium-glutamate-in-chicken-and-beef-stock-and-broth/

MNeagle
10th January 2012, 05:10 PM
Here's a recipe I've been using lately:


Beef Stock

3 beef soup bones
1-2 onions, chopped
1-2 carrots, peeled and chopped
2 stalks celery, chopped
2 tablespoons dried parsley flakes
2 teaspoons salt
2 peppercorns


Place all ingredients in crock-pot. Add enough water to cover all ingredients. Cover & cook on Low 12-24 hours or on High 4-6 hours. If cooked on High, the stock will be lighter in color and less concentrated. Strain and refrigerate. Keeps well 4-5 days or may be frozen.

Makes 8 cups strained stock.



I also like adding garlic. Recently I saw another method where you roast the bones & veggies for 60-90 minutes first @ 450 degrees, then proceed to the crockpot. I'm interested in trying that method out as well.

As an aside, I can't believe how hard it is to find beef soup bones!! Now, when I do come across some, I buy extra for the freezer. BTW, currently $2.49/lb!

Anyway, super-easy & the house smells delicious!

Shami-Amourae
10th January 2012, 05:21 PM
I know. I make my own stock all the time and freeze it in ice cube trays. I did find an "MSG free" bullion that satisfied me though, despite the fact it has the active ingredients still.

"Savory Choice Chicken Broth"
http://www.amazon.com/Savory-Choice-Chicken-Concentrate-5-1-Ounce/dp/B001E5E2AE
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/618%2B975vGFL._AA1500_.jpg


It's very difficult to get beef bones, and chicken bones are very expensive. I have to go through a lot of chicken and save up all the bones before I can make another batch of stock. The Swanson canned broth is another lesser of the evils IMO.