How Did You "Wake Up"

[Buddha]

Just as the thread is titled, I would like to hear the stories of how you all "Awoke" I would also hear things like what age you were etc, and how you thought about politics and economics etc.

I'll start with myself. I was I think 20 or 21 at the time, I am 24 now. I just got a new job at a smoke shop, a hole in the wall establishment, which was about 900 sq/ft total. I never had much care in politics before, I turned 18 the year of the Bush/Kerry elections. I voted straight Democrat because, 1 everyone told me that if I didn't vote I was an asshole basically.

I remember being in my junior year of HS social studies, the teacher went around the room going by order asking, "if you were to vote, who would you vote for? I said that elephants are stronger than donkeys so I'll vote for the elephant." He asked again and I said something like "I don't know, and I really don't care." Everyone including the teacher gave me a scowl.

My mother also told me that not voting was like spitting in the face of the country that has done so much for me, and everyone. Keep in mind that I knew absolutely NOTHING about politics or current events. sh*t my best grade at that time was a C, along with many D's and F's but had I an A in weed smoking, (I guess I was really passing with flying colors huh lol) So I went down the the local voting place and voted straight Democrat, it seemed that all young people were doing the same, and anything would be better then the Bush that I heard so much about, right? So I did it and thought nothing about it, I did my American duty.

Anyway, I got a job at a small smoke shop,about 2 or 3 years ago during the summer. I had training of course which meant sitting there smoking while watching some other guy my age do all of the work. The first guy didn't say much of anything for 8 hours and was a huge drag. The next day i was with a guy named Dave. Now I don't remember what exactly he was talking about, but he was a trip. Constantly talking, which was a good change of pace from the other guy who was a f*cking mute. He was talking about sh*t like chemtrails, and false flag attacks which I knew nothing about. I have always been open minded, so I listened and found him quite entertaining and tried to ask questions when I could I took it all with a grain of salt however. At the end of the night he told me to watch 2 movies, Terrorstorm, and Loose Change. 9/11. How many times have you told someone to do something like this, and the say "ok" but never do it? Well, as soon as I got home I found Loose Change and started it up.

What an eye opener! The points that couldn't be refuted hit me like a ton of bricks. Like the black boxes of the planes falling in the street unharmed and being found by the government when apparently the impact of the planes were strong enough to vaporize 2 sky scrapers. Also the gov running several scenarios of the exact same attack on the exact same day, which is why no one was there to shoot them down. And Cheney taking control of NORAD at the exact time? The supposed hijackers receiving training in the U.S? Give me a break. Not to mention the Bin Laden family being allowed to leave when no one was allowed to be in the air, and the Bush/Bin Laden connections. Building 7? That was the main thing. I never even heard of building 7 before, yet it collapsed straight down though nothing had touched it. Wow my head was spinning, and I felt an overwhelming sense of dread.

So I go into to work the next morning and I am with Dave again. I told him that I watched the movies, and he said "So, what do you think? I said "What can we do about it?" And that was it. Since this was before but in the running up to the 08 elections, I became very interested and curious. I kept doing research and found out about Ron Paul and GIM around the same time. The rest is history.

How did you get "hip"?

[Apparition]

Before I became politically aware, I suppose I could label myself as a patriotic moderate conservative with some neoconservative views but everything changed when I began reading and watching the 2004 news headlines which were reporting that David Kay, the chief US weapons investigator for WMDs in Iraq, had been stating continuously that there were no found WMDs in Iraq. Once that occurred, I felt betrayed and shocked that the US government would do such a thing.

Initially, I was in denial and was hoping that something would be found but that was never the case. From then on I kept questioning why so many people still continued to believe the lies about Iraq and Saddam Hussein and became disgusted with all the jingoism and nationalism that was being spouted all the time.

Afterward, I began researching US foreign policy and associating with some progressives strictly because we embraced pacifism. Later on, when I realized that there was a strong socialistic, racially-preferential, entitlement mentality present within their ideology I left and then began associating with the conservatives because of my disgust of welfarism and statism, despite our differing views on foreign policy.

Then, I later heard about Ron Paul during the 2007 presidential campaign who shared so many views that I held including pacifism, free enterprise, limited government, self-responsibility, and self-sufficiency. I then learned that his underlying embraced ideology was libertarianism. Knowing this, I began researching libertarianism and Austrian School economics and have been a strongly skeptical libertarian conservative ever since.

[Ponce]

I only found out that the US was going down the rabbit hole when we gave back the Panama Canal Zone and China took over...........in 2000 I knew for sure what was going to happen and why and the first thing that I did was to get on the WWW to find a place where I would feel "safe".

Took me ten years to be situated the way that I wanted in the way of security, food, extra tools, seeds and so on.......and specially tp...........but I always like to say "To be ready is not"... Ponce, always something else to do.

Do it today for tomorrow you won't be able to.........

[Joe King]

I've been eyes wide open for at least the past 20 years.
Started opening them approx 10 years prior to that.


For me, it all started when I was 8 and read the Encyclopedia Brittanica entry on "Money" in a quest to understand why, if this paper is so valuable, they don't print just them all as hundred dollar bills. ???

It's been a real journey ever since.
...and yea, I used to drive my teachers nutz my asking, "but why?" to virtually everything. ;D

[mightymanx]

The Ross Perot campaign.

I wanted to know who threatened him at the last minute to drop out then get back in effectively ruining his campaign at the last second, when he had a very good chance of winning. The last credible third party candidate to run.

All the facts and tidbits never made any sense. I could plot them but could not connect them. I knew that we never changed course just the tune of the music, from time to time (left right paradigm).

Then I found the secret to following the trail is to follow the money. I could connect all the dots on my plot, so not only did I have the direction things were going, I then knew the why. With those two I could see the trail clearly and I could back track through history to determine the severity of the problem.

[Buddha]

a picture is worth a thousand words


Who is he?

[SHTF2010]

Bill Cooper ( on shortwave )

and 3 events from the 90's

Ruby Ridge - 1992
Waco - 1993
OKC bombing - 1995

[Phoenix]

1988, San Joaquin Delta College. From my mostly-White, somewhat isolated home town to reality. The LIES of "racial equality" led me to look for answers.

[Phoenix]

a picture is worth a thousand words


Who is he?


Eric Blair, greatest author of the 20th Century.

[Awoke]

I smelled something rotten with the LRP, DieBold, Bush/Kerry, etc. I heard whispers about the S&B society.

Started researching, beginning with the easily accessable info on the BBG/CFR/TLC. I started talking to people about what I thought the conspiracy consisted of, and people lead me to the (imo) crypto-jew Alex Jones and his PR-conditioning movies.

Once I determined that the entire establishment was corrupt, I started really digging.
All my research lead me to the truth I know now.

[SQUEXX]

In the early 1990's, I as an environmental lab tech at a nuclear cleanup site (where there were a bunch of BS shenanigans going on). The whole thing was a huge waste of taxpayers money, and a lot of dirty shit going on in the background. This included the disappearance of a whistle blower who was about to go public and was never found. One reporter wrote an expose on it, and since I was there, knew what was going on. At least, I did partially. None of the mainstream media would touch the story, the only one that would take the story was one of those local, lefty college scene type papers. A professor at one of the local colleges was consulting with the reporter, and we talked. I was in night school there, so we got to be sort of friends. He told me some really ugly stuff involved with the investigation, etc.. I knew then how controlled the media was.

[Ares]

I saw president Bush's quote that the Constitution was just a g*d damn piece of paper.

I started digging, and learned more than I ever set out to learn. The movie that woke me up the most was America from Freedom to Fascism. I also count Zeitgeist among the films that opened my eyes beyond the realms from Freedom to Fascism.

I had neo-conservative leanings prior to that. But Dr. Paul showed me the error of my ways. :)

[sirgonzo420]

a picture is worth a thousand words


Who is he?


Eric Blair, greatest author of the 20th Century.


He's probably better known as "George Orwell", author of Animal Farm and 1984.

Less commonly known is that he was a Socialist.

I still like his books.

[MNeagle]

Great thread.

I'm still waking up.

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

I was around 18 and a coworker informed me that one of the managers was a 32nd degree mason. He joked that he was probably a member of the Illuminati. I had never heard of them in any sort of detail so I went researching.

That led me on a scavenger hunt for the truth and 13 years later I'm still searching..

[AndreaGail]

glen beck and the telavision, no really :D

i was in my junior year of high school and i guess could be labeled as "conservative" at the time (as well as j6p lol). Was watching one of becks nightly shows and he previewed the show jericho. considering one of my favorite genres of movies was disaster type movies i thought i'd give it a go. I really enjoyed it and began researching the shows topics and such online. I stumbled across frugal squirrels but got weirded out by the site and stopped going to it. about that same time i think beck ran another segment regarding gold. i soon added this to my search query and came up with GIM. This was the site that led me down the path to find the truth about the left / right paradigm, 9/11, the holohoax, hfcs, flouride market manipulation, jewish question, and so forth. then in college i finally saw the "benefits" of multiculturalism (I wasn't that aware of it at the time as my high school graduating class consisted of only 1 non white out of 200)

and the funny thing is that the catalyst of my awakening (telavision) is something i don't really even use anymore ;D

[Liquid]

Great thread.

I'm still waking up.


Amen. I've been slowly waking up all my life, I am still waking up too! I've yet to put all the pieces together, and I'll admit, a lot of stuff on this site really just goes right over my head. My thick head tends to learn things from experiencing them, the hard way often.

Funny though, since I was a child, for as long as I remember, I always checked my change for silver quarters dimes. Found a few, not many, but still have them. I can not explain how I knew they had value, as I was blind to actually going out and purchasing silver outright.

I also knew banks peddled a drug called credit. Stayed out of debt and always made jokes with folks.."hey, don't worry about it, just finance it". I've made a lot of "just finance it" comments to people in jest over the years.

I guess my big wake up was 9/11. I'll never forget that day. I went and joined a volunteer fire department to get involved, had some of the best times of my life at that dept. But, also some of the biggest wake up to reality I've ever seen. Fought some fires, and responded to a lot of medical calls, tragic accidents, suicides, shootings, etc.. Lot's of CPR, and I actually brought one guy back doing CPR, which is quite rare actually. Then decided to make a career as a public servant, so I thought, and joined a police dept. That didn't work out so well, but was a wake-up on a whole other level.

My biggest wake-up call was the housing collapse though. That caught me off guard, showed me the true evils of big banking. I then found GIM, fell in love with gold/silver, and that leads me to now.

[sirgonzo420]

I wake up every morning.

Usually, it's because of the alarm clock.

;D

[PatColo]

Woke up to 911 around bottom of '03, welcome down the rabbit hole!


aww jeez looky there, every time I check that number gets bigger, 1,238 licensed architects & engineers (http://ae911truth.org) now calling the official 9/11 CT a fraud! ;D


http://www.ae911truth.net/flash/wtc7ani2.swf

http://www.ae911truth.org/images/explo2.jpg




I only found out that the US was going down the rabbit hole when we gave back the Panama Canal Zone and China took over...........


Ponce did you ever see the 1992 documentary "The Panama Deception"? It won an Oscar for best documentary that year. I haven't studied the Panama Canal story in depth, but my basic understanding was that the US did a 99 year lease on the canal zone at the beginning of last century, and it was due to expire in 1999 or 2000 sometime, with the canal being returned to Panama.

You may find the whole The Panama Deception in parts on gootube,
http://www.google.com/search?q=The+Panama+Deception

here's a 4 min trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFDeGTCHAJM

BTW Noriega was a CIA-installed drug trafficking tool, but by the mid/late-80s he stopped being a team player, so they vilified him and invaded/removed him in '89 to install a more compliant puppet. Panama is also one of the biggest centers for international banks in the world (convenient for CIA drug $ laundering).

[wildcard]

a picture is worth a thousand words


Who is he?


Eric Blair, greatest author of the 20th Century.


He's probably better known as "George Orwell", author of Animal Farm and 1984.

Less commonly known is that he was a Socialist.

I still like his books.


He may have been an idealist that woke up after seeing the reality of what the socialists had planned. Animal Farm and 1984 are both smacks in the face of the socialist movement.

*and it was the threat to the 2A that woke me up. Started visiting gun boards and then someone started talking about gold and silver and GIM was linked. I got a late start, but I'm a quick learner. :)

**and of course 9/11 never did sit right with me.

[cedarchopper]

a picture is worth a thousand words


Aldous Huxley's protege...

[cedarchopper]

I woke up when I was a teenager when I smoked pot and realized they would put me in a cage for it ( 2 years to life (at the time). I questioned everything from then on.

[k-os]

I don't think I am awake yet, but there have been many alarms going off to help me.

I read Behold a Pale Horse in 2003, and some books about the Illuminati, but I didn't (and still don't really) believe them entirely. I read them for entertainment purposes. But seeds had been planted in my brain.

By chance and circumstance, I discovered honest money. I intended to move out of the country with a boyfriend, so I quit my job, cashed in my 401K and pension, and had no idea what to do with the cash. I did not trust the stock market, and in fact was trying to tell people to get out of it (Feb 2008). That's when I found gold. I used to play racquetball with a former co-worker, and he mentioned gold. I did some research, and landed at GIM (RIP). The guy and I broke up, and I did not end up moving out of the country, but hey - I found gold, and I found you people.

Going back in time, I'm going to say I was a neo-con before I discovered that there was a label that fit me better: libertarian. I was often at odds with the Republican party for butting their noses into people's bedrooms and bodies.

Great thread, Buddha. I didn't realize (or I forgot) how young you are.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

When I realized that my friends viewed me like this:

http://zs1.smbc-comics.com/comics/20100716.gif

I also realized that I had stepped into another world. You can't go back.

[1970 silver art]

I am half "awake". The sheeple sedation is pretty strong and it will take time for it to wear off. ;D

Anyway, I starting "waking up" sometime in late 2006 when I started listing to Ron Paul. I heard of Ron Paul through a podcast that I was listening to called Free Talk Live with Ian and Mark. They were talking about Ron Paul and I googled Ron Paul and started reading about him. I eventually started listening to him in late 2006. At the time that I started listening to Ron Paul, he was talking about the worsening financial shape of the U.S. gov't. Ron Paul was also talking about dollar collapse and about gold and silver and I got curious and several google searches led me to Kitco.com and later on I found GIM1 (R.I.P.) and here I am.

Like I said, I am only half "awake". I was a full blown sheeple before late 2006. I guess now I am a "half-sheeple". ;D

[DMac]

I also realized that I had stepped into another world. You can't go back.


QFT!

[MNeagle]

I don't think the rabbit hole ever ends... not even death.

[Trinity]

I bought some Gold and Silver coins in the early nineties. That got me reading about fiat money. That lead to me reading about the federal reserve. That lead to me reading about the people who manipulate and own this planet. It all started with the purchase of a Gold coin for me. And Silver.

[hoarder]

I woke up in several stages beginning about 1996. People would tell me things and plant little seeds of thought and I would think about them an observe a few years and see those things were evident.
I was still naive enough to vote for GWB first term and the day after 9/11 he said "They are attacking our freedom". Then I realized just how bad things were and that our ZOG governmedia, regardless of party, was our enemy.
Then I bought a computer and started connecting dots. Awareness sunk in fast then. 2002 I was pretty much fully aware, big picture, anyway.

Planting little seeds of thought made a huge difference. Every one of you should do this every chance you get, even if you're only partially aware.

THOSE SEEDS WILL GROW!

[Libertytree]

When I was 16 I had a history teacher, an older man who was more than a bit of an asshole, but he dropped little snippets of comments that intrigued me and made me think, as I recall I was the only one to engage him, ask questions and try and dig into what he was saying, so much so he asked me to stay after class and he would further explain. His teachings revealed to me the Constitution, BOR, Declaration, Jefferson, Franklin, Paine etc.. and how even then in the late 70's they were working to erode and destroy our mighty last bastion of freedom. I owe him, RIP Mr McCord.

Shortly after I left school I went to work in a hardware store, not Lowes or HD, just a regular ol' hardware store that sold nails by the lb, a country kinda place. That's where I ran into two older gentlemen who were very well versed on the Illuminati, CFR, Zionism, media control and much more. They took me under their wing and lent me books, talked with me, we drank beers together and we became friends. They were getting old and wanted to share what they knew with the younger generation, I guess we picked each other. Thanks Bob and Ray.

I was also lucky enough to find out about a maverick politician from Texas and started following his career. After Reagan I voted Libertarian until RP ran in 08, now, I doubt I'll ever vote again.

All that was way before the internet and here I am now with all that information and more at my fingertips. I sometimes wonder if the books they lent me and the ones I got from the library still exist or have they been purged?

Now I find myself in a position at 48 to try and educate the young and the old, planting those seeds and having those conversations that pique curiosity and make people want to learn. In ways it seems to have come full circle.

[Bullion_Bob]

John Pilger. Seen every documentary he's put out.

http://www.johnpilger.com/page.asp?partid=146

Highly recommended. edit: scratch that...mandatory viewing material.

I think there's a monster torrent floating around with all his works.

[woodman]

I am somewhat of a misanthrope, so I have always been partially awake. The internet from around 1999 showed me the nuts and bolts of the deception. George Orwell as mentioned earlier in this thread was instumental.

[woodman]

I've got to credit Eustace Mullins also. He was a giant among historians and researchers.

[AndreaGail]

I definitely need to work on the "planting seeds" part of waking people up

It can be hard since people are so emotionally attached to their ideas and subtlety is not my strongsuit lol

[AndreaGail]

I've got to credit Eustace Mullins also. He was a giant among historians and researchers.


+1

the first time i read his work i just got this sense that he "got it" so i was drawn to all his work, and i'm glad i did

and without EM, there would be no "Creature from Jekyll Island" or many other works dealing with the fed, conspiracy, etc

[wildcard]

I'm no seed planter, I'm more of a tree transplant specialist. ;D

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/78/Dutchman_95_Tree_Spade_on_Loader.jpg

[StackerKen]

I guess Im a sleepy head.

I remember watching the Waco Siege and thinking "thats messed up!"

I knew the Government was corrupt But that was over the top.

Then watching Clinton lie to the grand jury and come away clean and reading about all the dead people in his wake (whitewater)

That pissed me off.

Even though I was buying Gold and silver from Tulving and selling for a nice profit on ebay. Watching fox news in the late 90's and thinking about how corrupt our government is, was just Pissing me off even more...

Anyway I had to try to forget about it all. So I kinda went back to sleep and didn't wanna know what was going on.

Then the Gold fever hit me again in 08 and I found GIM while looking for more online gold sources
And you guys on GIM scared the crap out of me. I got busy stacking and preping

I still don't like to think about how corrupt the government is though.
It just makes me Mad...and there really isn't much I can do about it. except keep preppin :-\

So I'm still a little sleepy...but with one eye open. :)

[Mouse]

The truth ruined my life.

I don't know how else to say it. The "positive thinking religion" left me barren and naked on the shores of a tidal wave of ice water. I ran with it to protect myself from the coming calamity. I caused the coming calamity by running with it. I prepped to hard, I thought to much, I read too much. There is no going back.

I fucked up my career because I learned about the truth. I cannot engage at that level in my profession anymore, because I know a couple things about the truth, and cannot be a part of the system to that extent. I probably cannot ever go back even if I wanted to, since they know that I know and I am not to be trusted in their pursuits.

I am a lost man, on a lost planet, in a lost universe. And everything would be fine if it weren't for those meddling teenagers and their damn dog!

I have also learned to love, respect, nurture my own hand crafted product. I have moved from the hive to the orchard. I have moved from completely docile slave to somewhat self-sufficient "fuck you". I am learning skills that were forgotten 75 years ago, that may once again be useful.

I have completely fucked up my life and only Jesus can save me. No matter how much TP I pile on to the preps.

I believe your best bet in this world is to stay asleep. You're gonna die anyway. Why subject yourself to the horrors of reality?

Peace

[Shami-Amourae]

Ron Paul's 2008 campaign and the Campaign For Liberty really shook me back when I was a Socialist, but lurking curiously around GiM1 sealed the deal for me.

[Joe King]

The truth ruined my life.

I don't know how else to say it. The "positive thinking religion" left me barren and naked on the shores of a tidal wave of ice water. I ran with it to protect myself from the coming calamity. I caused the coming calamity by running with it. I prepped to hard, I thought to much, I read too much. There is no going back.

I f*cked up my career because I learned about the truth. I cannot engage at that level in my profession anymore, because I know a couple things about the truth, and cannot be a part of the system to that extent. I probably cannot ever go back even if I wanted to, since they know that I know and I am not to be trusted in their pursuits.

I am a lost man, on a lost planet, in a lost universe. And everything would be fine if it weren't for those meddling teenagers and their damn dog!

I have also learned to love, respect, nurture my own hand crafted product. I have moved from the hive to the orchard. I have moved from completely docile slave to somewhat self-sufficient "f*ck you". I am learning skills that were forgotten 75 years ago, that may once again be useful.

I have completely f*cked up my life and only Jesus can save me. No matter how much TP I pile on to the preps.

I believe your best bet in this world is to stay asleep. You're gonna die anyway. Why subject yourself to the horrors of reality?

Peace

Because IMHO it's better to know an unpleasant truth than to be fed a pretty lie.

Why?

Because it's only when you know the truth of reality that you can even begin to correct that reality.

You're not lost.
It's kinda like what Bill Hicks Psychoanalyst said about his parents after they sent him to see one. "It's not you, it's them"

[Phoenix]

The truth ruined my life.

I don't know how else to say it. The "positive thinking religion" left me barren and naked on the shores of a tidal wave of ice water. I ran with it to protect myself from the coming calamity. I caused the coming calamity by running with it. I prepped to hard, I thought to much, I read too much. There is no going back.

I f*cked up my career because I learned about the truth. I cannot engage at that level in my profession anymore, because I know a couple things about the truth, and cannot be a part of the system to that extent. I probably cannot ever go back even if I wanted to, since they know that I know and I am not to be trusted in their pursuits.

I am a lost man, on a lost planet, in a lost universe. And everything would be fine if it weren't for those meddling teenagers and their damn dog!

I have also learned to love, respect, nurture my own hand crafted product. I have moved from the hive to the orchard. I have moved from completely docile slave to somewhat self-sufficient "f*ck you". I am learning skills that were forgotten 75 years ago, that may once again be useful.

I have completely f*cked up my life and only Jesus can save me. No matter how much TP I pile on to the preps.

I believe your best bet in this world is to stay asleep. You're gonna die anyway. Why subject yourself to the horrors of reality?

Peace


Learning the Truth at 17 (1988) fu*ked up any chance I had of a "normal" life. I was naive in the beginning, believing we could "make things right" if only we could "give people the truth." I've learned that people don't want the truth. I now understand I can't blame them. As long as they take care of their families as best as they can, I don't hold any contempt for them anymore. My dedication to the Truth and my youthful foolishness of trying to "save the world" made me expose myself to "them," and things could never be the same once I did that.

I have to come to understand, and accept, that the End of the World is indeed approaching. The End of the Earth? Perhaps not. But the End of what we have known is near. Until Christ reappears to set all things right we won't know it's "the" End. But this country, and the White race, are done for.

[wildcard]

It's amazing how people come to this from all different directions.

[Joe King]

It's amazing how people come to this from all different directions.

That's the saving grace about all this.

There's as many ways to get here as there are people.
Whether they use it or not, everyone will get a chance to find their road.

And as they say, all roads lead to Rome.

So, welcome to "Rome". :D

[Libertarian_Guard]

Back in 1975 a Tom Snyder late nite talk show aired the Zapruder film. This was about 12 years after the event!
Thereafter I was convinced that there was a whole lot more going on than what I had been told.

[ximmy]

When I was 16 I had a history teacher, an older man who was more than a bit of an asshole, but he dropped little snippets of comments that intrigued me and made me think, as I recall I was the only one to engage him, ask questions and try and dig into what he was saying, so much so he asked me to stay after class and he would further explain. His teachings revealed to me the Constitution, BOR, Declaration, Jefferson, Franklin, Paine etc.. and how even then in the late 70's they were working to erode and destroy our mighty last bastion of freedom. I owe him, RIP Mr McCord.

Shortly after I left school I went to work in a hardware store, not Lowes or HD, just a regular ol' hardware store that sold nails by the lb, a country kinda place. That's where I ran into two older gentlemen who were very well versed on the Illuminati, CFR, Zionism, media control and much more. They took me under their wing and lent me books, talked with me, we drank beers together and we became friends. They were getting old and wanted to share what they knew with the younger generation, I guess we picked each other. Thanks Bob and Ray.

I was also lucky enough to find out about a maverick politician from Texas and started following his career. After Reagan I voted Libertarian until RP ran in 08, now, I doubt I'll ever vote again.

All that was way before the internet and here I am now with all that information and more at my fingertips. I sometimes wonder if the books they lent me and the ones I got from the library still exist or have they been purged?

Now I find myself in a position at 48 to try and educate the young and the old, planting those seeds and having those conversations that pique curiosity and make people want to learn. In ways it seems to have come full circle.


Very cool story... good mentors in life are a blessing...

[UFM]

depend on the day but alwAY open eyes first

[tater]

The truth ruined my life.

I don't know how else to say it. The "positive thinking religion" left me barren and naked on the shores of a tidal wave of ice water. I ran with it to protect myself from the coming calamity. I caused the coming calamity by running with it. I prepped to hard, I thought to much, I read too much. There is no going back.

I f*cked up my career because I learned about the truth. I cannot engage at that level in my profession anymore, because I know a couple things about the truth, and cannot be a part of the system to that extent. I probably cannot ever go back even if I wanted to, since they know that I know and I am not to be trusted in their pursuits.

I am a lost man, on a lost planet, in a lost universe. And everything would be fine if it weren't for those meddling teenagers and their damn dog!

I have also learned to love, respect, nurture my own hand crafted product. I have moved from the hive to the orchard. I have moved from completely docile slave to somewhat self-sufficient "f*ck you". I am learning skills that were forgotten 75 years ago, that may once again be useful.

I have completely f*cked up my life and only Jesus can save me. No matter how much TP I pile on to the preps.

I believe your best bet in this world is to stay asleep. You're gonna die anyway. Why subject yourself to the horrors of reality?

Peace


Cypher?

Hang in there Mouse, it's all we can do ya know. You can't untake the pill.

[hoarder]

Sorry to read your story, Buddha. As difficult as it is to get other men to wake up to the ugly reality of what the future holds, it's twice as difficult to get women to wake up. I think a lot of us "awake" types are lonely single men.

But speaking for myself, I prefer solitude to the company happy-go-lucky, just-think-positive drones that choose to live their lives with eyes closed to anything unpleasant.

I would not give up reality for happiness or female company. There is nothing more precious than a grip on reality.

I gave up drinking when I read the Protocols.

[zap]

When Clinton was on tv and he looked right in the camera and lied he shook his finger and said," I never had sexual relations with that woman."

I laughed so hard! I always knew they were liars, but that was the icing on the cake for me.

Our government and all the people in it are just liars. Everyone of them is out for themselves, they care nothing about right or wrong, just what they can get away with.

[General of Darkness]

At 7 years old a jew robbed my mom of $100K, saw a negro slap my mom because she asked her for rent money, then I broke a negros arm on the jungle bars because he wanted to beat my ass. I pretty much became multi-cult til I was about 15, MTV and shit. Since then my actions and my words are driven from my experiences.

I made a decision about 15 years ago, "You want to screw me, I'll beat your ass", that's apart of vornetwork.com got started. I've never stopped since then. Had a good show tonight I might add.

[Dusty]

When Clinton was on tv and he looked right in the camera and lied he shook his finger and said," I never had sexual relations with that woman."

I laughed so hard! I always knew they were liars, but that was the icing on the cake for me.

Our government and all the people in it are just liars. Everyone of them is out for themselves, they care nothing about right or wrong, just what they can get away with.




Lady so much of what you have said is true.

What ?

when the goverit says "we have your best intrest at heat andwe are here to help you.
That is the time to drag out the shoot gun "the bigger the better" and be non social better
let loose a shot , just to get their attention but the down side will be you will be tost,in their eyes
and minds.

The best way is to not be visible and work hard to be a non-person or employer.
feel for you. because in your state. hard to do.

just saying
Charles

[Libertytree]

Sorry to read your story, Buddha. As difficult as it is to get other men to wake up to the ugly reality of what the future holds, it's twice as difficult to get women to wake up. I think a lot of us "awake" types are lonely single men.

But speaking for myself, I prefer solitude to the company happy-go-lucky, just-think-positive drones that choose to live their lives with eyes closed to anything unpleasant.

I would not give up reality for happiness or female company. There is nothing more precious than a grip on reality.

I gave up drinking when I read the Protocols.

I correlate with all you're saying Hoarder, non-awake, stupid women (as far as relationships are concerned) are useless, same as the guys too though, in that respect. they're just "those" people. Totally friggin' useless. I'd rather be alone on my own than dragging 100+ lbs around of wasted skin, no matter her female attributes.

[Liquid]

I correlate with all you're saying Hoarder, non-awake, stupid women (as far as relationships are concerned) are useless, same as the guys too though, in that respect. they're just "those" people. Totally friggin' useless. I'd rather be alone on my own than dragging 100+ lbs around of wasted skin, no matter her female attributes.


A lot of women do have their heads in the clouds, or in the sand, you could say. For relationships, that could be tough. I refuse to buy into the lonely single guy myth though...we are only lonely by choice, remember that. You can still enjoy folks company, lead a healthy life, and still prep for the future.

@ Buddha, take this change in life as a new found freedom. You are young with an exciting future ahead, one of truth. Have no regrets, because knowing the truth, and taking actions on that, will continue your life on the proper course.

People come and go in life, that's just life. Have good memories and enjoy time spent.

You can't wake people up, they have to wake up on their own. You can offer opportunies though...mine is my folks, my parents, I love them dearly. I was able to get them to store food and water for emergencies, which is a step in the right direction. Mom also, curses the patriot act, another step.

Recently, I was expressing my excitement about going to the gun range. I teased Mom, about joining me to shoot guns, and of course she said no. My father surprised me however, he said he'd like to join me. He hasn't shot a gun in years, if ever, if I recollect. He's never had an interest in that.

I see my folks about one a week. I'm looking forward to some father /son time at the range.

I guess my point is, you can't change people, but you can offer them opportunities to join your life.

[Joe King]

I actually have a part 2 to my story. While waking up I was with a woman who I loved deeply and lived with, in our own apt. She loved me too, more than I loved her I believe, as if one can measure love. Well, when I woke up at around 21 I immediately became obsessed with it. Would come home from work/school and just research CONTSANTLY. The more I learned the more depressed I became and the more helpless I felt. hahahah she would come home from work and say something negative that happened about the day, and I would retort something like. "Well I found out about the HAARP program that sends microwave rays into the ionosphere and can modify weather and start earthquakes." (or something similar.) Geez. I I was buying dozens of pounds of rice/beans + ounces of silver when we had not much money to spare, rather than going out and enjoying life. Not to mention the habit of drinking that I picked up...

Any way, we broke up several months ago after five years. From the time I was 18 - 23. I know it isn't much time, and I am young (and we both were young at the time) yet and much much worse things have happened. But this has been the real red pill for me. Don't let all of this sh*t consume you.


Wow. I got flashbacks reading this. :D

My "problem" was stopping at the Law Library on my way home just to "check a couple of things".....and it turns into 6+ hours of losing track of time. Oops!
This was before internet or when I had a cell phone, and the Law Library doesn't take phone calls.
i.e. it turns into, WHERE WERE YOU!?!?!? http://serve.mysmiley.net/ashamed/ashamed0001.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-adult-smileys.php) <---me afterwards.


All in all, I'm better off.

[k-os]

You know guys, I lost a boyfriend because of my awakening. He thought food storage was stupid, and he had no problems telling me how stupid it was for me to prepare for a food crisis. I had to hide my preps from him, just so we wouldn't fight about it. He hated guns. Oh, how he hated guns. We argued about guns quite a bit. He thought buying gold bullion was stupid, and that I should immediately put it in a safe deposit box, or trade it in for GLD. That was safer, to him.

I imagine this is not as common an occurrence as what you guys are faced with, but it's not all women who are the most difficult to awaken. I am not sure if he and I would still be together if it weren't for the awakening process, but I'd rather be alone than be taunted about my need for safety and security.

Again, I agree with Liquid. You can prepare for the worst things in life and still enjoy today. It's a balance we should all attempt to achieve.

[Joe King]

You know guys, I lost a boyfriend because of my awakening. He thought food storage was stupid, and he had no problems telling me how stupid it was for me to prepare for a food crisis. I had to hide my preps from him, just so we wouldn't fight about it. He hated guns. Oh, how he hated guns. We argued about guns quite a bit. He thought buying gold bullion was stupid, and that I should immediately put it in a safe deposit box, or trade it in for GLD. That was safer, to him.

I imagine this is not as common an occurrence as what you guys are faced with, but it's not all women who are the most difficult to awaken. I am not sure if he and I would still be together if it weren't for the awakening process, but I'd rather be alone than be taunted about my need for safety and security.

Again, I agree with Liquid. You can prepare for the worst things in life and still enjoy today. It's a balance we should all attempt to achieve.


IMHO, oftentimes when first getting to know that exciting new person, it's easy to not even notice the differences and concentrate on the common instead.
And then after we end up with this person in our lives, we then have to start dealing with those differences.
If they aren't huge, they're easily dealt with. But if they are, as time goes by they simply get more and more apparent.
....and I think that most people try to compromise at first, but as more time passes the desire to do so can shrink if the person in question doesn't think they're getting out of it that which they feel they need.

Also, all relationships take effort. At some point people sometimes just decide the efforts not worth it as much and that'll spell the beginning of the end too.

As I said, that's just my opinion and I'm certainly no expert on the matter. So take it for what it's worth.

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

It is hard to say exactly what "waking up" means after living over half a century. I was always aware, since say 14 years old anyway, that "the establishment" (as we called it back then) was up to no good. Nothing like a war in Southeast Asia, with the draft, to drive that point home. It took a little longer before I awoke to the nasty race war, or rather the planned total dispossession of the White nations, that is underfoot, perpetrated by Whites themselves and funded by the traditional enemy. What exactly woke me up to the latter situation was the combination of reading the MSM, living in rough neighborhoods, affirmative action, the world wide web, and my own native ability to see what is actually taking place, rather than what the movies and tv try and say is taking place.

[The Great Ag]

Not sure if the concept of "liberty" is DNA driven or not (I suspect it is) but I have always strived for self-sufficiency and really hate when someone tries to impose him/herself OR itself (gov't) on me. NOt that self-sufficiency can wake a human up, but it does make it easier.

For me, my awakening first began when I asked why gold and silver coins do NOT circulate anymore for currency. That lead me into the fed, taxation and all sorts of "wild" ideas that contradict my education. Researching those ideas to determine the "legal/lawful" reality is what really opened my eyes.

There is A LOT of bad information regarding the law/nationality/taxation and public versus private law. It is important to verify that code, case law and fundamental law support the idea. Due dilligence is key and an OPEN MIND.

The Great Ag

[Joe King]

Not sure if the concept of "liberty" is DNA driven or not (I suspect it is) but I have always strived for self-sufficiency and really hate when someone tries to impose him/herself OR itself (gov't) on me. NOt that self-sufficiency can wake a human up, but it does make it easier.

For me, my awakening first began when I asked why gold and silver coins do NOT circulate anymore for currency. That lead me into the fed, taxation and all sorts of "wild" ideas that contradict my education. Researching those ideas to determine the "legal/lawful" reality is what really opened my eyes.

There is A LOT of bad information regarding the law/nationality/taxation and public versus private law. It is important to verify that code, case law and fundamental law support the idea. Due dilligence is key and an OPEN MIND.

The Great Ag
IMHO, it's the latter part of your statement that many people seem to have the most problem with.

[The Great Ag]

There is A LOT of bad information regarding the law/nationality/taxation and public versus private law. It is important to verify that code, case law and fundamental law support the idea. Due dilligence is key and an OPEN MIND.

The Great Ag
IMHO, it's the latter part of your statement that many people seem to have the most problem with.
[/quote]
Ain't that the Truth!

The Great Ag

[AndreaGail]

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/id...ckfire?mode=PF

How facts backfire
Researchers discover a surprising threat to democracy: our brains

By Joe Keohane | July 11, 2010

It’s one of the great assumptions underlying modern democracy that an informed citizenry is preferable to an uninformed one. “Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government,� Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1789. This notion, carried down through the years, underlies everything from humble political pamphlets to presidential debates to the very notion of a free press. Mankind may be crooked timber, as Kant put it, uniquely susceptible to ignorance and misinformation, but it’s an article of faith that knowledge is the best remedy. If people are furnished with the facts, they will be clearer thinkers and better citizens. If they are ignorant, facts will enlighten them. If they are mistaken, facts will set them straight.

In the end, truth will out. Won’t it?

Maybe not. Recently, a few political scientists have begun to discover a human tendency deeply discouraging to anyone with faith in the power of information. It’s this: Facts don’t necessarily have the power to change our minds. In fact, quite the opposite. In a series of studies in 2005 and 2006, researchers at the University of Michigan found that when misinformed people, particularly political partisans, were exposed to corrected facts in news stories, they rarely changed their minds. In fact, they often became even more strongly set in their beliefs. Facts, they found, were not curing misinformation. Like an underpowered antibiotic, facts could actually make misinformation even stronger.

This bodes ill for a democracy, because most voters � the people making decisions about how the country runs � aren’t blank slates. They already have beliefs, and a set of facts lodged in their minds. The problem is that sometimes the things they think they know are objectively, provably false. And in the presence of the correct information, such people react very, very differently than the merely uninformed. Instead of changing their minds to reflect the correct information, they can entrench themselves even deeper.

“The general idea is that it’s absolutely threatening to admit you’re wrong,� says political scientist Brendan Nyhan, the lead researcher on the Michigan study. The phenomenon � known as “backfire� � is “a natural defense mechanism to avoid that cognitive dissonance.�

These findings open a long-running argument about the political ignorance of American citizens to broader questions about the interplay between the nature of human intelligence and our democratic ideals. Most of us like to believe that our opinions have been formed over time by careful, rational consideration of facts and ideas, and that the decisions based on those opinions, therefore, have the ring of soundness and intelligence. In reality, we often base our opinions on our beliefs, which can have an uneasy relationship with facts. And rather than facts driving beliefs, our beliefs can dictate the facts we chose to accept. They can cause us to twist facts so they fit better with our preconceived notions. Worst of all, they can lead us to uncritically accept bad information just because it reinforces our beliefs. This reinforcement makes us more confident we’re right, and even less likely to listen to any new information. And then we vote.

This effect is only heightened by the information glut, which offers � alongside an unprecedented amount of good information � endless rumors, misinformation, and questionable variations on the truth. In other words, it’s never been easier for people to be wrong, and at the same time feel more certain that they’re right.

“Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be,� read a recent Onion headline. Like the best satire, this nasty little gem elicits a laugh, which is then promptly muffled by the queasy feeling of recognition. The last five decades of political science have definitively established that most modern-day Americans lack even a basic understanding of how their country works. In 1996, Princeton University’s Larry M. Bartels argued, “the political ignorance of the American voter is one of the best documented data in political science.�

On its own, this might not be a problem: People ignorant of the facts could simply choose not to vote. But instead, it appears that misinformed people often have some of the strongest political opinions. A striking recent example was a study done in the year 2000, led by James Kuklinski of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. He led an influential experiment in which more than 1,000 Illinois residents were asked questions about welfare � the percentage of the federal budget spent on welfare, the number of people enrolled in the program, the percentage of enrollees who are black, and the average payout. More than half indicated that they were confident that their answers were correct � but in fact only 3 percent of the people got more than half of the questions right. Perhaps more disturbingly, the ones who were the most confident they were right were by and large the ones who knew the least about the topic. (Most of these participants expressed views that suggested a strong antiwelfare bias.)

Studies by other researchers have observed similar phenomena when addressing education, health care reform, immigration, affirmative action, gun control, and other issues that tend to attract strong partisan opinion. Kuklinski calls this sort of response the “I know I’m right� syndrome, and considers it a “potentially formidable problem� in a democratic system. “It implies not only that most people will resist correcting their factual beliefs,� he wrote, “but also that the very people who most need to correct them will be least likely to do so.�

What’s going on? How can we have things so wrong, and be so sure that we’re right? Part of the answer lies in the way our brains are wired. Generally, people tend to seek consistency. There is a substantial body of psychological research showing that people tend to interpret information with an eye toward reinforcing their preexisting views. If we believe something about the world, we are more likely to passively accept as truth any information that confirms our beliefs, and actively dismiss information that doesn’t. This is known as “motivated reasoning.� Whether or not the consistent information is accurate, we might accept it as fact, as confirmation of our beliefs. This makes us more confident in said beliefs, and even less likely to entertain facts that contradict them.

New research, published in the journal Political Behavior last month, suggests that once those facts � or “facts� � are internalized, they are very difficult to budge. In 2005, amid the strident calls for better media fact-checking in the wake of the Iraq war, Michigan’s Nyhan and a colleague devised an experiment in which participants were given mock news stories, each of which contained a provably false, though nonetheless widespread, claim made by a political figure: that there were WMDs found in Iraq (there weren’t), that the Bush tax cuts increased government revenues (revenues actually fell), and that the Bush administration imposed a total ban on stem cell research (only certain federal funding was restricted). Nyhan inserted a clear, direct correction after each piece of misinformation, and then measured the study participants to see if the correction took.

For the most part, it didn’t. The participants who self-identified as conservative believed the misinformation on WMD and taxes even more strongly after being given the correction. With those two issues, the more strongly the participant cared about the topic � a factor known as salience � the stronger the backfire. The effect was slightly different on self-identified liberals: When they read corrected stories about stem cells, the corrections didn’t backfire, but the readers did still ignore the inconvenient fact that the Bush administration’s restrictions weren’t total.

It’s unclear what is driving the behavior � it could range from simple defensiveness, to people working harder to defend their initial beliefs � but as Nyhan dryly put it, “It’s hard to be optimistic about the effectiveness of fact-checking.�

It would be reassuring to think that political scientists and psychologists have come up with a way to counter this problem, but that would be getting ahead of ourselves. The persistence of political misperceptions remains a young field of inquiry. “It’s very much up in the air,� says Nyhan.

But researchers are working on it. One avenue may involve self-esteem. Nyhan worked on one study in which he showed that people who were given a self-affirmation exercise were more likely to consider new information than people who had not. In other words, if you feel good about yourself, you’ll listen � and if you feel insecure or threatened, you won’t. This would also explain why demagogues benefit from keeping people agitated. The more threatened people feel, the less likely they are to listen to dissenting opinions, and the more easily controlled they are.

There are also some cases where directness works. Kuklinski’s welfare study suggested that people will actually update their beliefs if you hit them “between the eyes� with bluntly presented, objective facts that contradict their preconceived ideas. He asked one group of participants what percentage of its budget they believed the federal government spent on welfare, and what percentage they believed the government should spend. Another group was given the same questions, but the second group was immediately told the correct percentage the government spends on welfare (1 percent). They were then asked, with that in mind, what the government should spend. Regardless of how wrong they had been before receiving the information, the second group indeed adjusted their answer to reflect the correct fact.

Kuklinski’s study, however, involved people getting information directly from researchers in a highly interactive way. When Nyhan attempted to deliver the correction in a more real-world fashion, via a news article, it backfired. Even if people do accept the new information, it might not stick over the long term, or it may just have no effect on their opinions. In 2007 John Sides of George Washington University and Jack Citrin of the University of California at Berkeley studied whether providing misled people with correct information about the proportion of immigrants in the US population would affect their views on immigration. It did not.

And if you harbor the notion � popular on both sides of the aisle � that the solution is more education and a higher level of political sophistication in voters overall, well, that’s a start, but not the solution. A 2006 study by Charles Taber and Milton Lodge at Stony Brook University showed that politically sophisticated thinkers were even less open to new information than less sophisticated types. These people may be factually right about 90 percent of things, but their confidence makes it nearly impossible to correct the 10 percent on which they’re totally wrong. Taber and Lodge found this alarming, because engaged, sophisticated thinkers are “the very folks on whom democratic theory relies most heavily.�

In an ideal world, citizens would be able to maintain constant vigilance, monitoring both the information they receive and the way their brains are processing it. But keeping atop the news takes time and effort. And relentless self-questioning, as centuries of philosophers have shown, can be exhausting. Our brains are designed to create cognitive shortcuts � inference, intuition, and so forth � to avoid precisely that sort of discomfort while coping with the rush of information we receive on a daily basis. Without those shortcuts, few things would ever get done. Unfortunately, with them, we’re easily suckered by political falsehoods.

Nyhan ultimately recommends a supply-side approach. Instead of focusing on citizens and consumers of misinformation, he suggests looking at the sources. If you increase the “reputational costs� of peddling bad info, he suggests, you might discourage people from doing it so often. “So if you go on ‘Meet the Press’ and you get hammered for saying something misleading,� he says, “you’d think twice before you go and do it again.�

Unfortunately, this shame-based solution may be as implausible as it is sensible. Fast-talking political pundits have ascended to the realm of highly lucrative popular entertainment, while professional fact-checking operations languish in the dungeons of wonkery. Getting a politician or pundit to argue straight-faced that George W. Bush ordered 9/11, or that Barack Obama is the culmination of a five-decade plot by the government of Kenya to destroy the United States � that’s easy. Getting him to register shame? That isn’t.

[Joe King]

IMO, the article poted above highlights the difference between the so-called "red pill" people and "blue pill" people that gets referenced here so often.

Because as far as myself, if I find new {to me} facts that overwhelmingly disprove my old beliefs customs or traditions, I'll dump the old in a heartbeat and go with the new.
Why? Because I'd like to at least try to do what's right.



The participants who self-identified as conservative believed the misinformation on WMD and taxes even more strongly after being given the correction. With those two issues, the more strongly the participant cared about the topic � a factor known as salience � the stronger the backfire. The effect was slightly different on self-identified liberals: When they read corrected stories about stem cells, the corrections didn’t backfire, but the readers did still ignore the inconvenient fact that the Bush administration’s restrictions weren’t total.
I've seen this exact thing in lots of people.
...and I've been tuned out many times after showing others strong evidence of our plight.

Many people {zombies} are comfortable as things are in their lives, and want to keep it that way.
Having intimate details of our hanging by a thread ponzi-scheme of a system is something they don't even want to consider.

It's like my Mom told me the other day.

"Son, people want to be able to trust the gov." {even though she already knows you can't} ::)

[Liquid]

depend on the day but alwAY open eyes first


UFM, from your avatar...lol.

Sensei say, always open eyes first, then grab balls next. :)

[wildcard]

The truth ruined my life.

The truth burned down my village, killed my family and raped my dog.

[illumin19]

Long story short.......

Depression struck in high school.
Questioned everything.
Used to meditate while high and walk around the streets to really observe.
Saw that most people weren't happy and miserable.
Wanted to "crush the system of lies".
Dug deep about illuminati, blue bloods, philosophies, religions etc.
Felt like I was going to go crazy, too much info......had to slow down.

Started to follow my father's lead going to church, studying the bible.
Studied it deep, prayed hard, bumped into Islam from college.
Wanted to "pull the sheets off the Qur'an" so to speak.
Accepted Islam after seeing all the "coincidences" from the bible.

Now the only muslim out of family and friends growing up.......
I've never had so much peace in my life ever. This is the truest thing I can say right now.

Thank you "God".

[Serpo]

Too me there are a large number of areas to wake up to within ourselves.

My own personal experience went something like this ........

Many years ago

First waking was spiritual waking up which can happen if there is a strong desire.

No religion has woken a person spiritually yet as the point of religion is to belong to it and follow the teachings ect.....in the end , religion is a cope out of your own divinity and an insult to the creator to follow someone elses teachings and not your own insights and revalations.If you dont see or realise something why believe someone elses experience and even then so what.To me religion is the most destructive force that prevents TRUE awakening of a person.

Still many years ago but not as many

Second awakening was to the twisted medicine we have been fed after meeting my now deceased step father who was a very talented natural healer and he set me on the path of learning natural medicine and so forth.

And not so many years ago from GIM1 was the understanding of economics and how the world is run ect after I had some money to invest and discovered gold /silver the way to go.

A lot of people wake up in one area ,say economics and the like but in other areas are still asleep.

What I would like to try and express here is that a lot of people are maybe awake to what is going on in the world about them but are they awake to what is going on inside of themselves.How our minds and emotions work and how they can distort our perspectives .

We may wake up but no one can be truly happy ,not when everyone else in the planet is caught up in the craziness. We will only find happiness when we all find it because we are in fact all one(our human consciousness),so even if we do wake up the view is still looking out thru bars.
Havnt been able to go back to sleep,sometimes think it would be nice to believe the feed they throw at us but then that would be really BAD.

[The Great Ag]

A lot of people wake up in one area ,say economics and the like but in other areas are still asleep.

What I would like to try and express here is that a lot of people are maybe awake to what is going on in the world about them but are they awake to what is going on inside of themselves.How our minds and emotions work and how they can distort our perspectives .

Well said, Serpo. Thanks.

[Awoke]

Started to follow my father's lead going to church, studying the bible.
Studied it deep, prayed hard, bumped into Islam from college.
Wanted to "pull the sheets off the Qur'an" so to speak.
Accepted Islam after seeing all the "coincidences" from the bible.


Not telling you "what to do" here, but I would like to suggest a book to you that is IMO extremely important.

Jesus VS Muhammed: Profound Differences and Surprising Similarities
http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Muhammad-Differences-Surprising-Similarities/dp/1591852919

Written by Mark A. Gabriel (Christian name), who is an egyptian raised by a deeply religious family of "priest" equivalents in the muslim faith. He was being schooled to become an "high level priest" (Forgive me: I can't remember the proper terminology used) in the muslim faith, and discovered that Christ is the only way after finding countless contradictions written by muhammed himself.

His own father tried to kill him in their family living room, with a pistol, when he admitted that he loved Jesus, and he had to flee to the USA.

He wrote this book and he is, beyond doubt or arguement, an expert in the muslim faith. He literally memorized the koran.

Again, no disrespect intended, but your soul is in jeopardy by rejecting Christ after you knew the truth.
Regardless of how you feel about my post, I can promise you that no harm will befall you due to reading this book, if you choose to do so.

[Silver Shield]

I think this is a great thread.

“It is said that men go mad in herds, and only come to their senses slowly and one by one.� -Charles MacKay.

The most glaring thing is that all of our awakening is accidental almost. A guy here and a guy there...

As many of you know I have created the Sons of Liberty Academy which is a formalized and systematized approach to awaken people.

I have spent years and money developing this Academy. I call it the Greatest Story Never Told.


I suspect that I am on the forefront of something very big. When we go down the final slope of the American Empire, all of people illusions will be shattered and will search for answers. That is where the Sons of Liberty Academy comes in.

I have come up with a great way of introducing very difficult ideas slowly and effectively.
And the results have been very exciting to me.
Here are a couple of emails I have received with feedback.


Dear Chris:

I completed module 5 and I just sat down to do module 6. Believe it or not when I want to unwind and take some time for myself, this is the kind of stuff I get into. I enjoy making time for self development and self awareness. It is a lot of information to absorb, process, and to consider critically. Emotionally, it has been draining to go through the modules, but it has also been intellectually rewarding. I have chosen to go through it once and go back a second time to write down my thoughts then.

Thus far, the Academy has helped me become aware of a reality that I did not fully understand and that is how our financial and economy system work, the role of money and credit in the economy and how money is created. The Academy has reaffirmed my belief that uncontrolled debt enslaves us and that "consumerism" is a threat to our freedom and our survival as a nation and as a people.

I love this nation and what it represents. My beliefs, my upbringing and my faith give me the strength not to give-up no matter the odds or the challenge. As a son of God, I am called to see what is possible and to do my part to make it happen.

I am deeply grateful to you for having taken the time to develop the Sons of Liberty Academy.

It is enlightening!

All the best,

Manny



Here is another great one....



Dear Chris,

I have received Module 2 and will dive into it just as soon as I send you this email.
In case you are wondering, I did go through Module 1 in one sitting, and absorbed all the information. Many notes were taken and new many things were learned. It is still to early to give an educated critique on this course, however I am not new to these truths.
I was first exposed to conspiracies in 1989, and in my attempt to prove wrong what I had just been presented. I ended up totally reeducating myself.
I jettisoned all the bullshit lies and false doctrines and replaced then with undeniable truths.
I went through all the phases of denial, shock, anger, Paul Revere syndrome, and depression.
I wish I would have had just this first Module available then, it would have helped a great deal.
Once I regrouped, I took action.
It is very rare, if not impossible, that two men will agree on every point exactly, but so far, I am very impressed.
Thank you for your hard and diligent work.
Damian



I have made the Academy as cheap as I can to support the advertising efforts that I run.
It is not enough to reach the mass of people we need.

I am currently getting some big guys on board for a National Launch this fall. (Basically the guys whose sites and articles we all read.)
I am also considering financing a half hour infomercial for the late night crowd. (Hey they sell the dream on those infomercials, I will sell reality.)

I will keep you all updated on the Academy and I appreciate all of the support and feedback from many of the original Gimmers.


Keep Resisting
Chris

[Silver Shield]

I don't think the rabbit hole ever ends... not even death.


It does end...

I spent crazy time to speed through the rabbit hole. 5 years, 240+ books, untold hours on the internet and GIM.
Then I spent hundreds of hours putting together the Academy.

I can tell you the other side of the hole is...
Nothing.

Just nothing.
It is peaceful because you see everything for what it is and your role in it all.
The best I can relate it is like NEO in the Matirx fighting with one hand behind his back.
or like this little guy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USLBytjkGYk

[Silver Shield]

When I realized that my friends viewed me like this:

http://zs1.smbc-comics.com/comics/20100716.gif

I also realized that I had stepped into another world. You can't go back.


You can go back...

You just stop acting like a buzz kill...

People hate to be told they are wrong, but love finding the truth.

Your job is just to open the door, they will do the rest...

[Silver Shield]

The truth ruined my life.

I don't know how else to say it. The "positive thinking religion" left me barren and naked on the shores of a tidal wave of ice water. I ran with it to protect myself from the coming calamity. I caused the coming calamity by running with it. I prepped to hard, I thought to much, I read too much. There is no going back.

I f*cked up my career because I learned about the truth. I cannot engage at that level in my profession anymore, because I know a couple things about the truth, and cannot be a part of the system to that extent. I probably cannot ever go back even if I wanted to, since they know that I know and I am not to be trusted in their pursuits.

I am a lost man, on a lost planet, in a lost universe. And everything would be fine if it weren't for those meddling teenagers and their damn dog!

I have also learned to love, respect, nurture my own hand crafted product. I have moved from the hive to the orchard. I have moved from completely docile slave to somewhat self-sufficient "f*ck you". I am learning skills that were forgotten 75 years ago, that may once again be useful.

I have completely f*cked up my life and only Jesus can save me. No matter how much TP I pile on to the preps.

I believe your best bet in this world is to stay asleep. You're gonna die anyway. Why subject yourself to the horrors of reality?

Peace


I felt the same way three years ago.

It is just our old self dying.

Your new self will be much happier once you have moved on.

[Silver Shield]

You know guys, I lost a boyfriend because of my awakening. He thought food storage was stupid, and he had no problems telling me how stupid it was for me to prepare for a food crisis. I had to hide my preps from him, just so we wouldn't fight about it. He hated guns. Oh, how he hated guns. We argued about guns quite a bit. He thought buying gold bullion was stupid, and that I should immediately put it in a safe deposit box, or trade it in for GLD. That was safer, to him.

I imagine this is not as common an occurrence as what you guys are faced with, but it's not all women who are the most difficult to awaken. I am not sure if he and I would still be together if it weren't for the awakening process, but I'd rather be alone than be taunted about my need for safety and security.

Again, I agree with Liquid. You can prepare for the worst things in life and still enjoy today. It's a balance we should all attempt to achieve.

K you know you are better off because of your awakening.
When you find the right guy he will resonate with you not clash with you.

I walked away from a millions in a family business not because my family would not wake up but because I saw what was coming.
7 car dealerships in New Jersey was a good time from 87 to 08. I tried from 05 to 08 to get my family and partners to see the coming collapse.
When they continued in taking on more debt and expanding, I checked out.
It was extremely difficult to do it but like all hard decisions it was the best thing for me.

I encourage everyone to do the right thing especially when things get more difficult.

[RJB]

I got into coin collecting at age 12 and learned about '64 and prior silver. The full impact didn't strike me until I was in my 30s however.

I was a "patriot" and into wanting to survive catastrophes (I knew something was wrong but no clue as to what), and joined the Marines at 18. I was ready to give my life for my country if it needed it. Once in, I was overwhelmed by the corruption and stupidity of the government. My biggest eye opener was talking to a 30 year vet who had woken up after the years and bitterly told me the about the False flag attack (at Tonkin) and that Vietnam had a chance for voting for a president for to unite the North and South and that the West basically cancelled the vote. I became a libertarian at the time.

My real wake up call was Ron Pauls run in 2007. On the top of his list of campaign promises was "Sound money." I liked his message of freedom but WTF was sound money? Probing into what sound money was and what it wasn't made everything crash into place. About that that time I started playing around on the satirical fedthompson forum (I hold my sarcasm in check here. The FTF was my outlet at the time :) and then checked out GIM1. My biggest eye opener was that those in power aren't merely corrupt, but pure evil.

[Joe King]

You know guys, I lost a boyfriend because of my awakening. He thought food storage was stupid, and he had no problems telling me how stupid it was for me to prepare for a food crisis. I had to hide my preps from him, just so we wouldn't fight about it. He hated guns. Oh, how he hated guns. We argued about guns quite a bit. He thought buying gold bullion was stupid, and that I should immediately put it in a safe deposit box, or trade it in for GLD. That was safer, to him.

I imagine this is not as common an occurrence as what you guys are faced with, but it's not all women who are the most difficult to awaken. I am not sure if he and I would still be together if it weren't for the awakening process, but I'd rather be alone than be taunted about my need for safety and security.

Again, I agree with Liquid. You can prepare for the worst things in life and still enjoy today. It's a balance we should all attempt to achieve.

K you know you are better off because of your awakening.
When you find the right guy he will resonate with you not clash with you.

I walked away from a millions in a family business not because my family would not wake up but because I saw what was coming.
7 car dealerships in New Jersey was a good time from 87 to 08. I tried from 05 to 08 to get my family and partners to see the coming collapse.
When they continued in taking on more debt and expanding, I checked out.
It was extremely difficult to do it but like all hard decisions it was the best thing for me.

I encourage everyone to do the right thing especially when things get more difficult.



Hi.
I'm curious. How have they and their dealerships been affected by the economic bump in the road we've hit after having taken on more debt for expansion?
Are they ok?
Do they regret having done so?
Or something altogether different?

[vacuum]

I don't think the rabbit hole ever ends... not even death.


It does end...

I spent crazy time to speed through the rabbit hole. 5 years, 240+ books, untold hours on the internet and GIM.
Then I spent hundreds of hours putting together the Academy.

I can tell you the other side of the hole is...
Nothing.

Just nothing.
It is peaceful because you see everything for what it is and your role in it all.
The best I can relate it is like NEO in the Matirx fighting with one hand behind his back.
or like this little guy...


Could you elaborate more on your conclusions? Are you basically talking about the Law of One?

[Silver Shield]

Hi.
I'm curious. How have they and their dealerships been affected by the economic bump in the road we've hit after having taken on more debt for expansion?
Are they ok?
Do they regret having done so?
Or something altogether different?


I have had only limited communication with people still there, it was a very nasty break.
But I got out in May of 08 and we all know what happened in October...
I used to have 300 cars on the lot at one store now the have 30ish...
They lost their Saturn dealerships...
and they lost the only guy that gave a shit.

As far as regret, I am quite sure that whatever prescription psychotropic drugs they are on is preventing them from feeling regret.

[loky]

I woke up when i watch Zeitgeist. Now i question everything and research so much these days.

I have noticed once you know you can never turn back it seems. It does change your life when i go partying my mates tell me that I'm not aloud to talk about news because they just don't wanna know. I still love my mates and there blissfully ignorance that's the way they live. Though some times they talk to me about it cause there interested and i give them Zeitgeist to watch seems to be the best way.

Though I'm a lot happier knowing then not.

[vacuum]

I don't think the rabbit hole ever ends... not even death.


It does end...

I spent crazy time to speed through the rabbit hole. 5 years, 240+ books, untold hours on the internet and GIM.
Then I spent hundreds of hours putting together the Academy.

I can tell you the other side of the hole is...
Nothing.

Just nothing.
It is peaceful because you see everything for what it is and your role in it all.
The best I can relate it is like NEO in the Matirx fighting with one hand behind his back.
or like this little guy...


Could you elaborate more on your conclusions? Are you basically talking about the Law of One?

Again, I'm quite curious in more information on your conclusions from 5 years of research and over 240 books.

[Serpo]

I don't think the rabbit hole ever ends... not even death.


It does end...

Peace of mind is what I think he means by the final out come

I spent crazy time to speed through the rabbit hole. 5 years, 240+ books, untold hours on the internet and GIM.
Then I spent hundreds of hours putting together the Academy.

I can tell you the other side of the hole is...
Nothing.

Just nothing.
It is peaceful because you see everything for what it is and your role in it all.
The best I can relate it is like NEO in the Matirx fighting with one hand behind his back.
or like this little guy...


Could you elaborate more on your conclusions? Are you basically talking about the Law of One?

Again, I'm quite curious in more information on your conclusions from 5 years of research and over 240 books.

[chad]

grew up very close to my grandparents who all lived through the great depression. all of them became immensely wealthy due to gold and silver hoarding.

[Silver Shield]

Again, I'm quite curious in more information on your conclusions from 5 years of research and over 240 books.


Well, while I went through this process I went through the all the same stages of grief.

Five Stages Of Grief

1. Denial and Isolation.
At first, we tend to deny the loss has taken place, and may withdraw from our usual social contacts. This stage may last a few moments, or longer.
2. Anger.
The grieving person may then be furious at the person who inflicted the hurt (even if she's dead), or at the world, for letting it happen. He may be angry with himself for letting the event take place, even if, realistically, nothing could have stopped it.
3. Bargaining.
Now the grieving person may make bargains with God, asking, "If I do this, will you take away the loss?"
4. Depression.
The person feels numb, although anger and sadness may remain underneath.
5. Acceptance.
This is when the anger, sadness and mourning have tapered off. The person simply accepts the reality of the loss.

The waking up process is your old self literally dying and your body reacts the exact same way.

I related the 5 stages to the Academy.

1. Denial - "It's just a conspiracy." "That can't be." "Fox news says..." "They can't keep that a secret."
2. Anger- "Inside job!" "End The Fed." Massive amount of research and internet activities.
3. Paul Revere Syndrome and Prepping- Ruining family parties with "conspiracy" talk and buying survival gear.
4. Depression- "It is too big." "No one sees what I see." "They are too powerful."
5. Acceptance- Come to terms with a new reality and confident enough to manage it.

The Sons of Liberty Academy compiles 5 years into 40+ hours and speed you through the 5 steps with all of the information and understanding that helped me get to where I am today.

[Still Barbaro]

OP: I'm posting to your op late,

but I awoke in 1991 when I took a politica-economics class that used stats and data and charts about the typical trend:

jobs being outsourced
national debt
individual consumer debt
Medicare unsustainable
Social Security a defunct Ponzi scheme

[Silver Shield]

OP: I'm posting to your op late,

but I awoke in 1991 when I took a politica-economics class that used stats and data and charts about the typical trend:

jobs being outsourced
national debt
individual consumer debt
Medicare unsustainable
Social Security a defunct Ponzi scheme


All going to plan...
Profitably...

[learn2swim]

Back in 2005, I found a website about the CIA (cocaine importing agency) shipping in the drugs. I discovered Gary Webb and that started me down the rabbit hole.



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5339035140040477823#

[dysgenic]

Some of the experiences I had when I was younger laid the foundation for my waking up. The first thing was that when I was in grade school, I was an excellent student but I struggled with things like losing my homework, forgetting to do it, being unorganized, etc. The teachers and administrators tried to make my life a living hell and convince my parents that I was a horrible trouble maker and a problem student, just because I didn't fit in their box. That really made an impression on me, as I was one of the best students in my class (if not the best), yet I was constantly in trouble. The experience taught me that the public school system operates on pretense.
When I got my driver's license, my father made me pay for my own car insurance. In my state, car insurance was and is mandatory, and even then I realized the grave injustice of forcing private citizens to do business with for private insurance companies (note: I've never understood why more people aren't up in arms about this).
Lastly, and perhaps most important, when I got into college I started doing some traveling and I made some acquaintances with people from various foreign countries. I was absolutely shocked to discover how well these people lived on modest incomes. The company line then/now/always has been that the USA has the best standard of living in the world. Coming face to face with proof to the contrary really slapped me in the face.

dys

[Awoke]

I realized the grave injustice of forcing private citizens to do business with for private insurance companies (note: I've never understood why more people aren't up in arms about this).

Bingo. Mandatory business with private companies. What an insult, and blatant thievery.

[Alex Drone]

I had been a libertarian for the last dozen years, but until just four years ago I didn't buy into any conspiracies. Like many others, it was 9/11 that got me started. I was late to the game and didn't start questioning 9/11 until 2012. Up until that time I thought Truthers were a bunch of wackos seeking to get attention. Of course I had never actually read or listened to any of their arguments. I thought I had a logical mind and logic told me not to listen to those who made outlandish claims that our very own government could be complicit in something as big and sinister as this. But one day I was watching Napolitano do a speech and when he suggested that he could not see how the Patriot Act could have been written in such a short time, that got me seeking. When you have a big personality such as Napolitano suggesting foul play, you tend to take it more seriously.

As for Jewish conspiracies, it took me some time to figure it out. Between 2012 and 2015, I learned the Holocaust story was full of holes, found that passages in the Talmud were indeed Satanic, recognized the dominance of Jews in key positions of power, and saw what the Israel government was doing to Palestine (I actually visited Israel and the West Bank three years ago). YET, I still didn't believe in a Jewish NWO. I believed they were just one of the key players. I guess I was distracted and confused by the shear amount of disinformation out there. I listened to a lot of Alex Jones, David Icke, Webster Tarpley, Karen Hudes, Jim Willie, etc. Then I came across David Duke's Jewish Supremacism at an estate sale and started reading it. This got me much closer to the truth. I learned about the horrible Bolshevik Revolution and the multiculturalism agenda. Both of those ideas were new to me. But I still had some skepticism.

What really convinced me of this Jewish conspiracy was the idea that there were indeed biological differences among the different races and that race was not merely “skin deep” as I've been taught. I studied some of the works of Phillipe Rushton and Richard Fuerle. They do not discuss Jewish conspiracies but the explain the genetic differences between blacks and whites. This then led me to Kevin MacDonald and thus the final pieces of the puzzle.

[Jewboo]

I'll admit, a lot of stuff on this site really just goes right over my head. My thick head tends to learn things from experiencing them, the hard way often.




http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/wayne.jpg







I kinda feel sorry for that Liquid guy. Must be hard going through Life stupid.

:) only time I ever agreed with what he said

[hoarder]

I had been a libertarian for the last dozen years, but until just four years ago I didn't buy into any conspiracies.Any suggestions what could be done to wake other people up?
We need a key to unlock the door.

[Jerrylynnb]

Answer to Hoarder (what can be done...):

Preteens should be taught the ways of the jews: that should be a fundamental part of western education for nordics and all white europeans, introduced at least by the age of 10, and, refreshed annually until graduation. This should be done unabashedly without allowances to anyone, as, we have a right, nay DUTY, to pursue the ennoblement of our own kind, and, being alerted to the ways of the jews early on is fundamental to our well being and proper development.

My awakening came when I learned that jews practice strict breeding of their own kind, but encourage mixed breeding in all others via the phony-balony pseudoscience of "hybrid vigor" (utter nonsense). These two-faced jew devils need to be shown up for what they are to all who are at risk of being subjected to jewfestation in their lives.

[crimethink]

Any suggestions what could be done to wake other people up?
We need a key to unlock the door.

There is no key.

Each individual "awakens" for their own reasons and experiences. And most will never awaken, because their livelihoods, their pleasures, their relationships depend upon them remaining benighted.

[Jewboo]

Answer to Hoarder (what can be done...):

Preteens should be taught the ways of the jews: that should be a fundamental part of western education for nordics and all white europeans, introduced at least by the age of 10, and, refreshed annually until graduation. This should be done unabashedly without allowances to anyone, as, we have a right, nay DUTY, to pursue the ennoblement of our own kind, and, being alerted to the ways of the jews early on is fundamental to our well being and proper development.

My awakening came when I learned that jews practice strict breeding of their own kind, but encourage mixed breeding in all others via the phony-balony pseudoscience of "hybrid vigor" (utter nonsense). These two-faced jew devils need to be shown up for what they are to all who are at risk of being subjected to jewfestation in their lives.

http://www.iefimerida.gr/sites/default/files/giph14.gif
Jew teevee already teaches the ways of the jews

[hoarder]

Each individual "awakens" for their own reasons and experiences.True that. But if there are say, a dozen personality types and six of them are capable of someday waking up, then there may be a key to waking each of those six groups up. We just need to figure it out and target them accordingly.

[Alex Drone]

Any suggestions what could be done to wake other people up?
We need a key to unlock the door.

It's tough when those who control society have almost unlimited funding. If you have kids, homeschool them. Throw the TV out the window. You could try to educate your friends and family members. Doesn't sound like much, but waking up a few is better than none at all.

[crimethink]

It's tough when those who control society have almost unlimited funding. If you have kids, homeschool them. Throw the TV out the window. You could try to educate your friends and family members. Doesn't sound like much, but waking up a few is better than none at all.

Talmudvision in the home is the number one reason the population is as it is now. The percentage of people in this country under 40 who did not grow up with constant Talmudvision starting prior to Age 5 is in the single digits, and most of them are non-Whites or hardcore White leftists who walk the talk. Publik skools had their role, 501(c)(3) Babylon-licensed "churches" had their role, but the rot in America (and the entire "West") is inversely correlated to the rise of Talmudvision starting in the 1950s to present.

That's what we're fighting against. That's what makes it nearly impossible to "educate" someone out of their stupor...and for the majority, it is impossible. The Talmudvision has taught them what it means to be "human," what it means to be "good," what it means to be "successful." You're fighting against years, even decades of literal programming - of the mind, of the soul. Most White youngsters now grow into sexual maturity perceiving mixed-breed half-human/half-apes as the ultimate in desirability, Jews and Jewish-like figures the ultimate in "success," and obedience to and participation in Mystery Babylon as the ultimate in one's "humanity."

This is why I dispute the concept of a "key" to unlock brains and souls. Talmudvision drilled right into the core of human beings, and only the Power of God Almighty can root out such demonic possession. And that Power's efficacy can only be implemented by surrender of the infected soul to it. Most cannot even conceive of such surrender and the alternate - true - reality, as their lives - all that they are or think they are - are founded upon the lies. Give up wealth, comfort, possibly fame, maybe even freedom for the abstract concept of Truth?

Thank God for those we have the blessing to know, who know and embrace the Truth.

[singular_me]

although 9-11 caused a big Uturn in my life, I always have been awaken. I recall when I was 10-12yo, this vision of a veil being lifted and which would show me that reality was nothing like what I was told.

since then I have searched for clues (and still do)

[hoarder]

This is why I dispute the concept of a "key" to unlock brains and souls. Talmudvision drilled right into the core of human beingsI am one of the few who did not watch teevee until about age 10 (Dad was a hardcore leftist). You woke up at some point. What was the key to your awakening? Although it's our biggest obstacle, I don't think talmudvision has 100% absolute influence or control over the goyim. Each one of us has a few struggles with cognitive dissonance, and sometimes we overcome it.

[Tumbleweed]

The Jews are worried about the goy waking up and the internet is a big problem for them. This video is pretty interesting on the subject of people waking up due to the freedom of the internet.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbb8FYNAE7Y


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbb8FYNAE7Y

[crimethink]

I am one of the few who did not watch teevee until about age 10 (Dad was a hardcore leftist). You woke up at some point. What was the key to your awakening? Although it's our biggest obstacle, I don't think talmudvision has 100% absolute influence or control over the goyim. Each one of us has a few struggles with cognitive dissonance, and sometimes we overcome it.

I was blessed to have a family who were Jew-wise from the beginning. They didn't put it all together, but they knew Jews were bad news. It was easier for me to accept the Truth. My dad's family were old-style German farmers, who knew what Jews did to working people. My mom's mom had to deal with Jews in the aftermath of World War II, and while she herself was a "refugee" (from Ukraine), the Jews did their "thing" and manipulated the situation to make it as though only they were poysecuted. Yeah, right, you fuckers engineered the Holodomor, which she survived.

Those who grow up believing in the "goodness" of man, that all people are "equal," that things can be willed into reality by "positive thinking," those souls have a Mount Everest to ascend to ever come near the Truth.

[crimethink]

The Jews are worried about the goy waking up and the internet is a big problem for them. This video is pretty interesting on the subject of people waking up due to the freedom of the internet.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbb8FYNAE7Y


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbb8FYNAE7Y

They're not worried about the Goyim, en masse, waking up, but they are very keen to the fact the minority of aware Goyim are using the Internet to become more able to maneuver out of the way, at least, when the Jew implements his schemes.

[Stop Making Cents]

I've always known since I was a small child that blacks just aren't quite like us but I wasn't really sure what to make of it. Still not quite sure honestly. But I know I prefer not to be around them. 9/11 awakened me a little bit to the fact that our leaders may not be on the up and up with us. Given the fact that our nation has spent 50 years and trillions of dollars preparing for a soviet attack at a moments notice, and yet somehow a bunch of camel jockeys could hop on planes and attack us and catch us with our pants down was mind boggling. the one thing that really stands out to me about that day is how the government just sat around waiting for more attacks. There's no reason they couldn't have had jet fighters in the air within minutes, but it didn't happen, and that tells me that they wanted 9/11 to happen. So that was an eye opener. Later on, a friend turned me on to alex jones and it made me really question the fake conservative / liberal political paradigm in this country. As for the Jewish question, I've never had anything against Jews until I began searching for answer about the racial questions and it led me to the Jewish question. I'm still not sure what to make of Jews. But the one thing that really makes me think they are no good is the astonishing fact that they completely control Hollywood, and anyone with a brain can see that Hollywood is pumping out pure evil. Judge them by their fruits. Now what further makes me question Jews is when I started reading about them and realizing that it's like a private club where they help each other out and Jews control the banking industries, Jew directors give acting roles to fellow Jews, etc. Honestly, I never would have guessed that 1% of the population would be so in control of media, government, and banking but they are. It's absolutely true once you look into it. The Jewish question is one I really want to dig into deeper, but i'm guessing it's going to be really hard to find unbiased information.

[milehi]

I've always known since I was a small child that blacks just aren't quite like us but I wasn't really sure what to make of it. Still not quite sure honestly. But I know I prefer not to be around them. 9/11 awakened me a little bit to the fact that our leaders may not be on the up and up with us. Given the fact that our nation has spent 50 years and trillions of dollars preparing for a soviet attack at a moments notice, and yet somehow a bunch of camel jockeys could hop on planes and attack us and catch us with our pants down was mind boggling. the one thing that really stands out to me about that day is how the government just sat around waiting for more attacks. There's no reason they couldn't have had jet fighters in the air within minutes, but it didn't happen, and that tells me that they wanted 9/11 to happen. So that was an eye opener. Later on, a friend turned me on to alex jones and it made me really question the fake conservative / liberal political paradigm in this country. As for the Jewish question, I've never had anything against Jews until I began searching for answer about the racial questions and it led me to the Jewish question. I'm still not sure what to make of Jews. But the one thing that really makes me think they are no good is the astonishing fact that they completely control Hollywood, and anyone with a brain can see that Hollywood is pumping out pure evil. Judge them by their fruits. Now what further makes me question Jews is when I started reading about them and realizing that it's like a private club where they help each other out and Jews control the banking industries, Jew directors give acting roles to fellow Jews, etc. Honestly, I never would have guessed that 1% of the population would be so in control of media, government, and banking but they are. It's absolutely true once you look into it. The Jewish question is one I really want to dig into deeper, but i'm guessing it's going to be really hard to find unbiased information.

Tell him what he's won Johnny

[PatColo]

(I actually visited Israel and the West Bank three years ago).

Also curious what your impressions were of Israhell. Anyone try to dinjoo you?

Weird; I'd actually be interested in visiting Is'hell for a spell, with my present set of dinjoo-wise eyes-- just be friendly, observe the culture, avoid arguments with any hard boiled zio's... just observe like an anthropologist. I take for granted there's a small "voiceless" population of kindred spirits there, dissidents, who were basically born into the trans-generational dinjoo organized crime cult and are stuck with it. There's almost no way I could visit Is'hell, and not leave a bit smarter, more world-wise, in the "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer..." kind of way. Suffer through the "why u visiting Is'hell?" interrogation upon arrival. Observe them dry humping the wailing wall. Observe the darker immigrant slave class there, and what their lives, their exploitation is like. Try to pay a visit to Gaza/West Bank. BUT, barring an all expenses paid visit there (presumably complete with drugged food/drink, hidden cam/mic riddled hotel room, and pre-pubescent m/f sex slaves strangely "making themselves available to me"... the basic "free Is'hell visit" treatment all our DC pol's get)... I simply wouldn't want to transfer a thin dime of my $ directly to dinjoo hands, in the form of their airlines, hotels, restaurants, etc. So a "visit" to Is'hell, knowing what I know, and despite what new stuff I'd learn... it's just not gonna happen.

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but if I got said free visit, I may spring a dime or 3, just for the fun of tossing the dimes on the ground in crowds and watching the dinjoo dogpile to retrieve them. :D

[hoarder]

I was blessed to have a family who were Jew-wise from the beginning. That puts you in a pretty small category. I would bet no more than 1% of children learn about Jews from their parents at a young age. Most of us don't have kids and those who do usually don't wake up until after their children are thoroughly indoctrinated.

[Alex Drone]

Also curious what your impressions were of Israhell. Anyone try to dinjoo you?

There is a lot of tension there and you can feel it, though I didn't see any incidents between Arabs and Jews during the four weeks while I was in Israel. At the time, I didn't know anything about Jewish conspiracies. Didn't know anything about the Protocols or the Talmud. I did know about the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians though.

Immigration upon arrival gave me a hard time as they saw Passport stamps from my visit to other Islamic countries. Officer was a bitch, but kind of what I expected.

The Israeli-Jews may seem cold during first impressions, but they usually do go out of their way to help you out if you ask for it. I've hitchhiked parts of the country and lo and behold I've been picked up on several occasions. I'm not sure that would happen in the US. Also, I don't think I had felt cheated during my stay in Israel.

The vast majority of Jews there do not know the realities of what's going on in Palestine. I had a short conversation with a young religious Jew in Jerusalem on his way to the wailing wall. I asked him about what bus station I should take to get to Nazareth. When I asked him about a particular one, he told me I shouldn't take it because it was one that Arabs use. I told him I recently took it to go to Ramallah. He was in shock. He couldn't believe that I would go there as he thought it was nothing but chaos and violence.

I do recommend going over there as it can be a great learning experience. I also do recommend taking the short bus ride from Jerusalem to Ramallah to see what the West Bank is like. There is actually a youth hostel in Ramallah – actually two as they evidently opened another one up. They're a great place to chill and go for organize tours of some of the Israeli settlements. You can PM me if you want more info.

http://www.hostelworld.com/findabed.php/ChosenCity.Ramallah/ChosenCountry.Palestine