Muslims: how do you feel about them?

[Fortyone]

Whats your opinion on Muslims and their societies ? Also do you view them as any kind of threat? Personally,I find Islam as a primitive,barbaric culture.

[wildcard]

I'm getting that old subtle jew shill vibe. :taunt:

[illumin19]

Point out the verses in the Qur'an that make you say that please.

Don't get what Islam is in the Qur'an confused by what the world says it is.

There's nothing you can point out that isn't in the bible brotha......nice try.

[Glass]

I know them other than how they are depicted by US media. I find them to be believers in God, peace and family. There are, what are called "fundamentalists", however those can be found in judeaism, catholocism and what is ludicrisly called christianity these days.

I also think that it is sad that the only 2 religions that believe in God are pitted against each other century after century so as to enable the other "religions" to take charge of the world unopposed.

[Apparition]

I'm indifferent to how they practice their religion or live their lifestyles so long as they're not forcibly imposing it upon others--and I apply that same philosophy to any groups or persons.

I do feel saddened that many of them have been infuriated and radicalized as a result of the US government's imperialistic and interventionist foreign policy which has devastated their countries and lives and thus have resorted to violence and terrorism as a result.

Hopefully, more of the neocon sheeple will begin to realize the errors of their ways and choose non-interventionism and pacifism over jingoism and statism but that remains to be seen.

[Fortyone]

I'm getting that old subtle jew shill vibe. :taunt:



No,not at all,I despise Zionists,as they are the cause of most of our troubles.I merely created this thread,so as not to derail the other.Clear it up some?BTW,your deflecting of the topic,could be used to say that an Islamic shill is at work,no?

[k-os]

Whats your opinion on Muslims and their societies ? Also do you view them as any kind of threat? Personally,I find Islam as a primitive,barbaric culture.


I don't know if I have ever met any Muslims personally. I don't believe I know enough truth about them to make an opinion one way or another. I know what the media has told me, and well, I am not sure if that's all correct.

Muslim extremists frighten me, but so do extremists of every group. I don't appreciate the Christian extremists who picket fallen soldiers' funerals either.

Believe it or not, I am torn about the idea of women having to keep covered. Some say that it is out of respect for their women that they are to keep covered, and some say it is to humble them. I don't know what is true. We can see in our own society that the less you wear, the less respect you are granted. Perhaps they're onto something?

I am not sure I have a problem with any of their rules, only their punishments for breaking the rules. Also if a religion is good, then people should be able to leave it without fear of being stoned to death.

Perhaps one of our resident Muslims can tell us what are the basic tenants of their religion.

[illumin19]

Point out the verses in the Qur'an that make you say that please.

Don't get what Islam is in the Qur'an confused by what the world says it is.

There's nothing you can point out that isn't in the bible brotha......nice try.


Waiting for a response........

[Fortyone]

Point out the verses in the Qur'an that make you say that please.

Don't get what Islam is in the Qur'an confused by what the world says it is.

There's nothing you can point out that isn't in the bible brotha......nice try.


I dont care whats in that book.Its actions they take is what shows. This thread was a question of what members thought of Islam,I gave my thoughts.
EDIT: Im agreeing with Kos,you dont stone people for leaving the faith,nor should brothers cut their sisters throat for falling in love with a non-muslim. What really pisses me off,Is when a school is attacked and children killed,because like jews,"Infidels"(Goyim) arent human anyway.

[Gaillo]

Pretty much the same way I "feel" about Christians, Jews, Wiccans, Hindus, Satanists, etc. etc. etc.

I see religion as a form of mental illness... and religious believers as people to be regarded with suspicion until they've shown their non-coercive, non-fraudulent nature. I don't care WHAT people believe with respect to supernatural realms and entities, so long as they don't try and force any of their beliefs on me. Unfortunately, it's been my experience that at LEAST a good half of them feel compelled to convince me of the existence of their invisible friends, some using more coercive tactics than others.

[illumin19]

Believe it or not, I am torn about the idea of women having to keep covered. Some say that it is out of respect for their women that they are to keep covered, and some say it is to humble them. I don't know what is true. We can see in our own society that the less you wear, the less respect you are granted. Perhaps they're onto something?

Perhaps one of our resident Muslims can tell us what are the basic tenants of their religion.


Believe it or not, there's alot of extra stuff in all religions that aren't even in the books they look too. With Judaism some might say the Talmud, with Christianity some might say the apocrypha, with Islam some will say hadith.

The main issue with women covering was to not reveal there shape so much like have you have modern day women wearing spandex, or extremely tight clothing to reveal a shape for man to look at.

Look at Mary Jesus' mother (peace be unto them both) how was she depicted
in dress? Look at nuns.....Now I'm talking about just Hijab (head covering) not the extreme to wear covering your body to where noone can see your face. Whoever wants to dress that way more power too them.
Covering was in the bible also, nothing new. So were turbans, camels etc. People are too ignorant to know that most of the time.


Point is, some people want to follow a way without following a way.

[illumin19]

Pretty much the same way I "feel" about Christians, Jews, Wiccans, Hindus, Satanists, etc. etc. etc.

I see religion as a form of mental illness... and religious believers as people to be regarded with suspicion until they've shown their non-coercive, non-fraudulent nature. I don't care WHAT people believe with respect to supernatural realms and entities, so long as they don't try and force any of their beliefs on me. Unfortunatley, it's been my experience that at LEAST a good half of them feel compelled to convince me of the existence of their invisible friends, some with more coercive tactics than others.


Don't worry, I won't try to convince of my "invisible friends", ok. ;D

[Fortyone]

Point out the verses in the Qur'an that make you say that please.

Don't get what Islam is in the Qur'an confused by what the world says it is.

There's nothing you can point out that isn't in the bible brotha......nice try.


Waiting for a response........


I answered your question,please defend the ACTIONS of Sharia law that i described.

[Gaillo]

Pretty much the same way I "feel" about Christians, Jews, Wiccans, Hindus, Satanists, etc. etc. etc.

I see religion as a form of mental illness... and religious believers as people to be regarded with suspicion until they've shown their non-coercive, non-fraudulent nature. I don't care WHAT people believe with respect to supernatural realms and entities, so long as they don't try and force any of their beliefs on me. Unfortunatley, it's been my experience that at LEAST a good half of them feel compelled to convince me of the existence of their invisible friends, some with more coercive tactics than others.


Don't worry, I won't try to convince of my "invisible friends", ok. ;D


Fair enough! ;)

[1970 silver art]

Pretty much the same way I "feel" about Christians, Jews, Hindus, Satanists, etc. etc. etc.

I see religion as a form of mental illness... and religious believers as people to be regarded with suspicion until they've shown their non-coercive, non-fraudulent nature. I don't care WHAT people believe with respect to supernatural realms and entities, so long as they don't try and force any of their beliefs on me. Unfortunatley, it's been my experience that at LEAST a good half of them feel compelled to convince me of the existence of their invisible friends, some with more coercive tactics than others.


I am agnostic. I do not care for religion one way or the other. I do not go to church. I do not prey. I do not know if there is a god or not. I do not care if there is a god or not. I am simply not interested in learning about religion. I do not have any problems with ANY religious people here on line or offline. They are people just like me and they breathe the same air just like me. They choose to believe in something that may or may not exist. I just do not want people to force their religion on me. As for Muslims...........I have no problem with them. They do not bother me and I do not bother them.

[willie pete]

Islam is a barbaric religion that emphasizes military jihad against non-believers, brutal punishments and inequality and abuse of women. muhamed did teach some good principles on a few occaisions, ie..charity towards others, but by and large he was no more than a warrior, obsessed with sex, who created a harsh legalistic religion

[illumin19]

Point out the verses in the Qur'an that make you say that please.

Don't get what Islam is in the Qur'an confused by what the world says it is.

There's nothing you can point out that isn't in the bible brotha......nice try.


Waiting for a response........


I answered your question,please defend the ACTIONS of Sharia law that i described.

2:256.
There is no compulsion in matter of faith. Distinct is the way of guidance now from error.
50:45.
We are cognisant of what they say; but it is not for you to compel them. So keep on reminding through the Qur'an whoever fears My warning.


I myself am curious on where stoning comes from for muslims as it's not in the Qur'an.

[Fortyone]

Ive always thought that stoning comes from the Pre-Islamic period.Seems that many middle eastern cultures used it. Its mentioned in the Bible obviously.My point is that why hasnt Islam abandoned it? something to ask at the Mosque maybe? see if you can find out.

[willie pete]

According to islam; is it or is it not OK for a 53 year old man to marry and have sex with a 9 year old girl? and what's the rationale behind having multiple wives? I'm just curious

[illumin19]

I must ask these to anyone who calls themselves a Christian or Jew or a believer in the Bible.


Do you believe that stoning in the book/Torah was revealed by God?

Do you know that alot of prophets/messengers including (not limited to) Moses, David etc. went to war before Muhammad? (peace unto them all)

Did you know they also had more than one wife?

Did you know they prayed like muslims do? Head to the floor
Did you know they washed like muslims do? Ablution
Did you know they fasted like muslims do? forty days and forty nights ring a bell?
Did you know about the pilgrimage that was enjoined in the Psalms? Psalm 84

If not you better crack your bible open.

Like I've been saying, there's nothing in the Qur'an that's radically different than the bible.

Preying on the ignorance of others is always used to heighten the "phobia" of others.

[illumin19]

Ive always thought that stoning comes from the Pre-Islamic period.Seems that many middle eastern cultures used it. Its mentioned in the Bible obviously.My point is that why hasnt Islam abandoned it? something to ask at the Mosque maybe? see if you can find out.


I will ask. Until then, do you believe the prophets of God instituted it?

[illumin19]

According to islam; is it or is it not OK for a 53 year old man to marry and have sex with a 9 year old girl? and what's the rationale behind having multiple wives? I'm just curious


You could ask the same question to a believer in the Bible brotha......
Do you believe in the Bible? You might have some questions about other prophets as well.........Lot, David, Solomon (peace unto them) according to the Bible.

I would like the source on the 9 year old girl please. I'm sure you know it's anywhere from 9 to 19.
Look at which one seemed to take precedence.......

[Ponce]

Yes Wild Card, I see the same thing.................they were our friends until we made them into our enemies.

It takes all kind of people to make this world ( even Cubans ) and all customs are different........who am I (we) to tell others how to lead their lives?...............we are in Iraq under the excuse that we want to make them free, a society that has been around even before their was an America.

And right now we made Iraq into what not even Saddam was able to make out of them......no jobs, no water, no electricity, no education, no respect........the women were able to go out at night without been afraid but now they can go out only with a husband or a brother to protect them, and specially at night.

TO WILLI PET: HEY YOU AHOLE.......read the TALMUD where a Jew can have sex with a three year old and then come back with that question.........you looking for trouble? .........my name is TROUBLE.

[Fortyone]

Ive always thought that stoning comes from the Pre-Islamic period.Seems that many middle eastern cultures used it. Its mentioned in the Bible obviously.My point is that why hasnt Islam abandoned it? something to ask at the Mosque maybe? see if you can find out.


I will ask. Until then, do you believe the prophets of God instituted it?


I assume you mean actually did it?Yes I do,ordered by God?no.But I also believe it was a primitive execution method used by primitive people.I do not judge Muslims by the actions of the Middle ages,as they were no more violent than the rest of the world. The question is why today do they fail to progress socially ?

[illumin19]

I will ask. Until then, do you believe the prophets of God instituted it?

Regarding Stoning.......
Fortyone?

[Fortyone]

Yes Wild Card, I see the same thing.................they were our friends until we made them into our enemies.

It takes all kind of people to make this world ( even Cubans ) and all customs are different........who am I (we) to tell others how to lead their lives?...............we are in Iraq under the excuse that we want to make them free, a society that has been around even before their was an America.

And right now we made Iraq into what not even Saddam was able to make out of them......no jobs, no water, no electricity, no education, no respect........the women were able to go out at night without been afraid but now they can go out only with a husband or a brother to protect them, and specially at night.

TO WILLI PET: HEY YOU AHOLE.......read the TALMUD where a Jew can have sex with a three year old and then come back with that question.........you looking for trouble? .........my name is TROUBLE.



Nice,he really deserved that attack.Dont question the agenda eh Ponce?

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

Muslims do not belong in the West. In their own lands they are okay. Muslims are hostiles, by the way. Probably at least 30% of them are on board with the idea of conquering the West, and another 30% will go along to get along. 30% of a group as large as Muslim immigrants is a lot of trouble makers. Western people need to wake up, or be conquered. From all appearances Westerners no longer have the confidence to stand up for themselves, which is directly related to having a Judaic and Judaized ruling class and media. Say goodnight, Middle Earth.

[Fortyone]

I will ask. Until then, do you believe the prophets of God instituted it?

Regarding Stoning.......
Fortyone?



read up one post,I answered.

[illumin19]

read up one post,I answered.


So your problem with them isn't the punishments dealt out according to revelation, whether it be torah quran etc...

It's why they do it today that bothers you?

I've said before that I believe alot of the "muslim world" is in a relevant "dark ages" much like how the "christian world" was at one time compared to others.

Education.......is the key.Allah knows best

[illumin19]

mrnhtbr2232,
Very insightful. That region will see turmoil until the last day....Allah knows best

[Fortyone]

Before 20th century meddling by foreign powers, their cultures were regional and benign to the west. They are a spirited people, with a bedrock connection to tradition rich or poor. Depending on which country or which region you care to focus on, the Middle East and environs has given mankind some of its most fundamental scientific, spiritual, and agricultural knowledge. Like any social order, they have their loser troublemakers. But overall the racial and cultural purity of Islam's many forms is what keeps it alive - and makes it an easy target to demonize because of perceived inflexibility.

Modern "problems" with Muslims are almost exclusively the result of policies or actions that were instigated against them first. Being in a region of hydrocarbon wealth and strategically sandwiched between East and West the region screams for trouble with Muslims caught in the middle. The resulting exploitation has unleashed wars, injuries, destroyed property, shattered families, and killed hundreds of thousands if not millions of people. A coalition of western powers led by Israel using the US as its enforcer has, for some time now, been incrementally committing illegal and immoral acts against Muslims in the region as an ongoing policy of apartheid.

The Muslims are not in charge of mind control. Other than reactive skirmishes and legitimate harassment, the images, stories, and events that take place in the region are choreographed and released to the public by a coalition of intelligence and military agencies. They control the message and how it gets delivered, repeated, and installed in the minds of the world's spectators. Muslims have been robbed of billions in national treasure, their culture has been drug through the mud, and the invading armies of fried chicken eaters with pimples and rifles have turned their world upside down to the point they fight back.








Not so fast, Until the end of WWI, there was a Muslim Empire(Ottoman) that controlled that region .We arent speaking of Arabs exclusively on this topic. This Empire also over and over tried to invade and conquer Europe and failed.By these standards you are giving,one could say that the turmoil in the Balkans is caused by Islamic meddling?

[illumin19]

Look, Muslims (I hope most) have survived and will survive any onslaught because they hold the faith and won't budge on being "modern" with certain dress, acts or lifestyle (lewdness etc.)

That's why Islam (Qur'an) is stronger than any race, nation, philosophy.
It lays down rules to live by and holds those rules the basis for our unity regardless of the race, nation etc.

Alhamdulilahi rabbil alameen

[willie pete]

According to islam; is it or is it not OK for a 53 year old man to marry and have sex with a 9 year old girl? and what's the rationale behind having multiple wives? I'm just curious


You could ask the same question to a believer in the Bible brotha......
Do you believe in the Bible? You might have some questions about other prophets as well.........Lot, David, Solomon (peace unto them) according to the Bible.

I would like the source on the 9 year old girl please. I'm sure you know it's anywhere from 9 to 19.
Look at which one seemed to take precedence.......


Do you have an answer for the question? Is it OK in islam for a 53 year old man to marry and have sex with a 9 year old girl? I think IF I asked a Bible believer that same question, like you suggested, they'd look at me like I had 3 eyes... :D of course most wouldn't agree with that...and no I thought muhamed married aisha at 6 years and then had sex with her when she was 9; and you bring up examples of Soloman and David, sure they had many women, but the difference I see is God never condoned it, He actually punished them for it, muhamed in his islam condones it, and it continues to this day...that's the difference

[Nordmann]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKU5ZPeMGug

[Fortyone]

read up one post,I answered.


So your problem with them isn't the punishments dealt out according to revelation, whether it be torah quran etc...

It's why they do it today that bothers you?

I've said before that I believe alot of the "muslim world" is in a relevant "dark ages" much like how the "christian world" was at one time compared to others.

Education.......is the key.Allah knows best



If Allah is God then yes, also yes why do they practice Honor killings,stoning,and other heinous acts in this day? It is possible that some are in their Dark Ages due to Ottoman restrictions and abuses,and are fairly young countries.but that would only be the Arabs.What of the Chechens,Albanians etc? These people were exposed to Western societies for years,but still continue their actions.

[MAGNES]

I see religion as a form of mental illness... and religious believers as people to be regarded with suspicion until they've shown their non-coercive, non-fraudulent nature. I don't care WHAT people believe with respect to supernatural realms and entities, so long as they don't try and force any of their beliefs on me. Unfortunately, it's been my experience that at LEAST a good half of them feel compelled to convince me of the existence of their invisible friends, some using more coercive tactics than others.


The laws of nature my friend are not invisible, this is where it begins,
it is not about Jesus walking on water or believing in a book man wrote,
just as real as physical laws of nature, physics, math, quantifiable, there
are less quantifiable laws of nature, but they are quantifiable and used
against us as well, LAW, ORDER, PEACE, GOOD GOVERNMENT, FREEDOM, JUSTICE,
NEMESIS, and The Greatest Western Minds laid the basis for Christianity
whose dominant themes were those I highlighted in bold, all "gods/goddesses",
forces of nature.

One name Plato, dominant themes are Freedom/Justice/Good Government, morality.
How to build a society that lasts respecting the above. Nothing has been reinvented.
"all ideas/philosophy are footnotes to Plato" some famous historian other historians
always quote.

The PTB seek to dominate backed by years of experience, one of the over riding
strategies is slowly destroying us without a mass awakening and revolt of the
populace, they actually study these things, to push slowly and not start a revolt,
as of past. These writings are ancient as well.

"Custom and tradition", "god", gave birth to these forces, all mutually inclusive.
The basis of Western Law as well. Those that recorded physics/math and stars,
recorded "man vs man" as well as described above and were overriding themes.

Freedom is a natural condition of man given by God and he will fight for it if pushed.

We have God given rights that no man can abolish.

They can of course create hardship and a dark age, which I believe they did.

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On Muslims, the wars are bullsh*t, your destruction as well, and Muslims do
not belong in Western Countries. Look at Europe, posted lots of this on gim.
A police state is being built, massive freedom erosion, and multiculturalism
battering from the inside as well to destroy us, The West.

[Olmstein]

I think too many here at GSUS find common cause with Muslims in opposing Zionism, so they overlook the obvious flaws with the Islamic faith. While I oppose Zionism, I also oppose Islamists and Sharia law.

I agree with Winston Churchill's opinion of Islam.

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

-- Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 [London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899]).

[willie pete]

Yes Wild Card, I see the same thing.................they were our friends until we made them into our enemies.

It takes all kind of people to make this world ( even Cubans ) and all customs are different........who am I (we) to tell others how to lead their lives?...............we are in Iraq under the excuse that we want to make them free, a society that has been around even before their was an America.

And right now we made Iraq into what not even Saddam was able to make out of them......no jobs, no water, no electricity, no education, no respect........the women were able to go out at night without been afraid but now they can go out only with a husband or a brother to protect them, and specially at night.

TO WILLI PET: HEY YOU AHOLE.......read the TALMUD where a Jew can have sex with a three year old and then come back with that question.........you looking for trouble? .........my name is TROUBLE.


Ponce you cuban pendejo.... :D I've never read the talmud, maybe it's there, I'll take your word for it, for now... :D calma viejo....no quierdo no problemas ..... :plll

[Fortyone]

Islam is practical willie pete....or at least supposed to be lived that way by muslims (they might not be portrayed that way I know).

You will not find a specific age because you will not find a specific age on when a woman starts to menstruate. That is the time that makes it "lawful" as well as consent by both parties.

Now, I know you'll ask, "hey is pedophilia ok then?" Look to your own reasoning and the laws of nature. If God was truly against it why would a woman be able to give birth below the age of 18?

I IN NO SHAPE OR FORM AM SAYING PEDOPHILIA IS OK........IT'S A POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE.


Please show everyone here where God punished Solomon and David (peace unto them) for having more than one wife strictly because they married more than one woman....



Many cultures have varying marriage ages,not an issue with me. But why are the women treated so harshly compared to men?

[illumin19]

Islam is practical willie pete....or at least supposed to be lived that way by muslims (they might not be portrayed that way I know).

You will not find a specific age because you will not find a specific age on when a woman starts to menstruate. That is the time that makes it "lawful" as well as consent by both parties.

Now, I know you'll ask, "hey is pedophilia ok then?" Look to your own reasoning and the laws of nature. If God was truly against it why would a woman be able to give birth below the age of 18?

I IN NO SHAPE OR FORM AM SAYING PEDOPHILIA IS OK........IT'S A POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE.


[b]Please show everyone here where God punished Solomon and David (peace unto them) for having more than one wife strictly because they married more than one woman[b]

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

Before 20th century meddling by foreign powers, their cultures were regional and benign to the west.




Charles the Hammer would definitely take issue with this inaccurate statement. And Eastern Europe fighting the Ottomans and the Barbary Coast and White slave taking all contradict the above statement. Whenever Islam has been strong it has challenged the West. Islam is anything but benign. It is the least benign of all the world religions. On every one of Islam's borders with non Muslims, Muslims are at war.

[Workaholic]

I'm getting that old subtle jew shill vibe. :taunt:


LOL

[MAGNES]

Believe it or not Jews wrote the Koran,
this is why many laws and other things
are similar, Momo and his band gave the
Jewish tribes in the region a offer they
could not refuse.

The Sword and the Prophet is an excellent book on
this and the book is not Jewish NeoCon friendly
which is what makes it one of the best intro's to Muslim
history.
http://www.amazon.com/Sword-Prophet-History-Theology-Impact/dp/1928653111

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41RKVJTPXEL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Horowitz had it on his site and the joooos petitioned
to have it removed and it was, this was a long before
2005.

[illumin19]

Many cultures have varying marriage ages,not an issue with me. But why are the women treated so harshly compared to men?


That's culture not Islam.

For instance in Islam, it's incumbent on the man to take care of the woman.
The woman does not have to work to provide for the family it is up to the man, period. Though a woman is not held back in times of need or should she choose to work.
The man must provide for her, that's a duty. What she works for and makes she can keep for herself, not a man it's for the family.

Look the key to destroying any civilization is breaking up the family.YOu can see why muslims and people in general are very protective of women from outside manipulation be it dress, feminism etc.
Islam has a place for the man and a place for the woman. There's justice not equality. EQUALITY is a hoax everywhere........are the blind and those that have sight equal?

[Ponce]

TO WILLIE PETE = http://search.netzero.net/search?action=search&r=search&source=hybrid_zerobar&query=talmud%20sex%20with%20three%20years%20old

To me religion means "control" and nothing else......what I look at the the person behind the religion and the good that they do for others and not the religion itself.

All the so called God's is same one under different names......so why fight about "My God is better than your God?"

Saalam Aleikum.

[illumin19]

Believe it or not Jews wrote the Koran,
this is why many laws and other things
are similar, Momo and his band gave the
Jewish tribes in the region a offer they
could not refuse.

The Sword and the Prophet is an excellent book on
this and the book is not Jewish NeoCon friendly
which is what makes it one of the best intro's to Muslim
history.
http://www.amazon.com/Sword-Prophet-History-Theology-Impact/dp/1928653111

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41RKVJTPXEL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Horowitz had it on his site and the joooos petitioned
to have it removed and it was, this was a long before
2005.


Yes the "jews" wrote the koran because of similar laws not because God revealed them. If that's the answer you're looking for than Christianity will do you no good too.

[StackerKen]

illumin19; What do they do with Homosexuals in most Muslim countries ?

[MAGNES]

Charles the Hammer would definitely take issue with this inaccurate statement. And Eastern Europe fighting the Ottomans and the Barbary Coast and White slave taking all contradict the above statement. Whenever Islam has been strong it has challenged the West. Islam is anything but benign. It is the least benign of all the world religions. On every one of Islam's borders with non Muslims, Muslims are at war.


People don't know basic history unfortunately, doesn't mean they are stupid,
just recently I have been reviewing some of this history in podcasts, TPTB
don't want people to know history and they actively promote garbage as
history, blatant lies too, even on here we have people that knowingly do
this, masons do this too, they have a huge hard on for Martel, Charlamagne,
Constantine, some of Europes greatest forefathers and highly Christian,
they fought the Muslims with both hands tied behind their backs, literally,
Europe was on the edge many times, to go forever. I was shocked to
recently see the leftist History Channel honor Constantine as
"one of the greatest western leaders". His creation was at war with muslims
for 900 years. Even the LOTR is part allegory on this history, even director
says this in bonus cd, all "Roman Empire".

And Constantine was German most likely, not Greek as many assume.

Same with Martel, Charlamagne, The Carolingian Renaissance, German.

Germany was the Holly Roman Empire, and later Moscow [ Varagian/Viking ]
after Byzantine destruction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian

"WAR ON ROME" ZOHAR

We are Rome to this day down to the law code from the Romans and Greeks.
Perpetual targets.

[Workaholic]

How do I feel about muslims?

I don't "feel" i think.

I "think" they believe in a political system that requires transformation and worship into that system or loose your head.

I "think" this political system could be an arm of the anti christ. Therefore, I "think" I cannot trust a muslim.

[StackerKen]

Re: Muslims: how do I feel about "them"?

I don't think have any problem with "them" as people...they are people.

I agree with their views on things like abortion and other things

Islamic Ideology and governments and that I have a problem with.

I don't think there is much freedom Islamic countries and their penalties are Harsh

As long as they don't try to bring that here...Im fine ...But I think they will.

[illumin19]

I gotta do asr and eat, I'll try to get back to some questions but not the obvious stupid inciteful ones.

Peace

[MAGNES]

Yes the "jews" wrote the koran because of similar laws not because God revealed them. If that's the answer you're looking for than Christianity will do you no good too.


Whose this, 30001 ouncer, lol, hope you got those rounds ?

Like I said on gim, some people here know history and it is
not pro muslim, nor do they have to like muslims, most of us
on here are for justice and totally against the wars and all
the lies of our masters, your enemies as well. Whatever happened
in the past happened, you keep it and stay there, along with your
culture and beliefs. Why alienate people that are on your side
outing the greatest criminals ?

Christianity saved Europe, and whoever does not know that knows no history.

Save it from Muslims and Jews who were allied in destroying Europe.

As far as "god the koran, word of god revealed", lol, some of the stupidest stuff is in the Koran,
that is man's stupidity, no god is a baffoon, maybe brutal, but not baffoonery. Really dumb stuff.

Many people may not know this but the Muslim "religion" is not only from the Koran,
there are Muslim Courts, Judiciary, Jurists, and their rulings dominate the belief system, on
many many issues, so if it is not in Koran does not mean muslims do not practice it.
This is main reason why Muslims are divided, and they openly long for a unified Kaliphate.
A dominating central power for Muslims.

-------------------------------------------

PS, I keep getting logged out, first time ever, happened few times tonight.

[StackerKen]

Is any of this true?



In Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim country and one traditionally renowned for its religious toleration, terrorists bombed churches in 18 cities, killing scores and wounding hundreds. Violence against the Christian minority has steadily continued over the past decade." As an example, he cited the beheadings of three Christian teenage girls in Sulawesi in late October. International Christian Concern's Jeff King brought photos of the incident; the girls' heads were left at a church, each with a note that vowed, "We will murder 100 more Christian teenagers and their heads will be presented as presents."

In Egypt Christians are treated as "second-class citizens" under state-sponsored discrimination and actively persecuted by Islamic militants apart from the government. He cited the week-long riot in October against St. George's Coptic Church in Alexandria by a 10,000-strong mob incensed by rumors of blasphemy.

Christians face repression in Iran. Tehran's tyrannical President Ahmadinejad met with 30 provincial governors and reportedly declared, "I will stop Christianity in this country," avowing to shut down the country's growing house-church movement.

In Saudi Arabia, Christians, a large percentage of the foreign workers making up a quarter of the population, will not be able to find any churches whatsoever to worship in. Churches are forbidden. Dozens of those who pray together in private houses were arrested and jailed earlier this year. This fanatically intolerant kingdom even forbids Muslims, under threat of death, to wish a Christian "Happy Holidays," much less "Merry Christmas."

[StackerKen]

Christianity saved Europe, and whoever does not know that knows no history.

Save it from Muslims and Jews who were allied in destroying Europe.



they still are

And no doubt the US is next on their list

Have you read what Muslims are doing to Sweden,Norway,Germany,UK,France ?

[wildcard]

illumin19; What do they do with Homosexuals in most Muslim countries ?


What did your God do with homosexuals in Sodom and Gomorrah?

[MAGNES]

Christianity saved Europe, and whoever does not know that knows no history.

Save it from Muslims and Jews who were allied in destroying Europe.



they still are

And no doubt the US is next on their list

Have you read what Muslims are doing to Sweden,Norway,Germany,UK,France ?


I was one of gim's top posters on this. Especially France and the Jew Sarkozy who
lied , got in, and did nothing but tell people to intermarry to save France.

That Jew Sarkozy is from a family related to my posts above, expelled from Spain,
killing Greeks in Thessaly, stealing their property and living in their houses, invited
by the Muslims controlled by the Jews, after they destroyed and enslaved Byzantium,
it only took them 900 years. This info comes from a Jewish newspaper that detailed
his families history, this is one of the reasons NeoCons do not like the book above
I referenced, notice it say, "politically incorrect", Jews do not like being told that
Muslims have no business in West, both allied, working together, it is the Jews
that are deliberately bringing them in to Europe to destroy it from within and to
win allies in their conquest of Palestine, the Palestinians fought the Ottomans BTW.
They too hated Turks. Ottomans were run by Jews always, Khazars and in Spain
they were merchants and tax collectors in Moor Muslim Spain, and they owned
Greece later on as tax collectors, even collecting the child tax, first born.
At this point gpond would close this thread. lol

Mexicans are to USA what Muslims are to Europe. Same masters.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=adl+mexicans+arizona&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Think Kosovo too, drug lords and crime lords put in power.
Distrubute heroin from Afghanistan through Turkey, all NeoCons, see Sibel Edmonds.
Everything is related.

They are partnered to destroy us. See how they stopped the dispute too, too much at stake,
Turkey Israel, partners in crime, even 9/11, drugs, organs, white slavery.

[Phoenix]

Whats your opinion on Muslims and their societies ? Also do you view them as any kind of threat? Personally,I find Islam as a primitive,barbaric culture.


If they remain in the unwanted desert lands of the Middle East, hey, live and let live.

But when they try to invade civilized lands - well, exactly what they've done since the Quran was written - then repel them by any means necessary.



This should not be misconstrued as an endorsement of the unprovoked wars on Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Phoenix]

Muslims kiss Allah's Siva Yoni (vagina) when they visit Mecca:


http://www.crystalinks.com/blackstone2.jpg

http://ahlanpk.org/Kaaba25.jpg

http://www.synthstuff.com/mt/archives/glory_hole_02.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/04914gb6cw7RS/610x.jpg


The mystical, pagan sex worship history of the Kaaba and Kaaba Stone are undeniable. Muslims adore the Kaaba Stone because it is a symbol of the female sex organ.

[Phoenix]

I'm getting that old subtle jew shill vibe. :taunt:


The Zionist Jew Wesley Kanne Clark slaughtered countless White Christian brothers and sisters in Serbia to protect Muslims. Secretary of State Jewess Madeline Albright and other Jews in Clinton's cabinet wholeheartedly supported this.

The forcible takeover of the Serbian cultural homeland of Kosovo is Europe's future, unless Muslims are repelled by force as they invade Europe.

[Phoenix]

The main issue with women covering was to not reveal there shape so much like have you have modern day women wearing spandex, or extremely tight clothing to reveal a shape for man to look at.


What, the shape of the mouth? The shape of the nose?

http://www.sott.net/image/image/6099/burka.jpg

Islam's insistence on things like the Burka demonstrates the Muslim male is a sex fiend. The entire religion was built upon worship of Allat/Allah's vagina, now called the Kaaba Stone. I am not trying to be crude - what I say is fact.

[MAGNES]

The mystical, pagan sex worship history of the Kaaba and Kaaba Stone are undeniable. Muslims adore the Kaaba Stone because it is a symbol of the female sex organ.


Muslims are a huge part of Masonry.

The "hidden earth goddess" and female sex organs hidden all over as well.

The Occult. Theosophists, Masons, other Occult, common denominator, of past.

VS the Patriarchs and phalic worshipping ancient western societies.

Fertility was a huge part of it in the past, worship.

Notice to the core the contrast. It has always been there.

The Patriarchs built the West and open societies. VS Occult "earth goddess"
working from within to destroy, and Muslims are being used in this way,
history and past.

Who runs them ?

Notice the vagina and clit, it is deliberate, represents fertility as well,
hidden mother earth goddess, other imagery from masonry complements
this, both the hexagram and known mason symbols represent this.

http://i33.tinypic.com/11tu2c8.jpg



http://i35.tinypic.com/25gdmde.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/inaoi1.jpg

SHRINERS MASONS PRAY TO ALLAH

http://i34.tinypic.com/331njn4.jpg

[Phoenix]

According to islam; is it or is it not OK for a 53 year old man to marry and have sex with a 9 year old girl?


Since you describe Muhammed's relationship, yes.

[wildcard]

I'm getting that old subtle jew shill vibe. :taunt:


The Zionist Jew Wesley Kanne Clark slaughtered countless White Christian brothers and sisters in Serbia to protect Muslims. Secretary of State Jewess Madeline Albright and other Jews in Clinton's cabinet wholeheartedly supported this.

The forcible takeover of the Serbian cultural homeland of Kosovo is Europe's future, unless Muslims are repelled by force as they invade Europe.


Europe doesn't care about us. I don't care about Europe. I just want to save our country and our culture and our religion. The main threat are the jews. In our government, in our schools, in our courts, in our media... On and on. I have no love for the muslims, but the priority is the jew.

[k-os]

Europe doesn't care about us. I don't care about Europe. I just want to save our country and our culture and our religion. The main threat are the jews. In our government, in our schools, in our courts, in our media... On and on. I have no love for the muslims, but the priority is the jew.


Just curious, what is our culture?

[Phoenix]

Like I've been saying, there's nothing in the Qur'an that's radically different than the bible.


Can you please explain where in the Christian Bible believers are told to annually visit a Borg Cube half way around the world, and then kiss a "sacred" meteorite that is a symbol of Allah's vagina?

[wildcard]

Europe doesn't care about us. I don't care about Europe. I just want to save our country and our culture and our religion. The main threat are the jews. In our government, in our schools, in our courts, in our media... On and on. I have no love for the muslims, but the priority is the jew.


Just curious, what is our culture?


It's not wearing a burqa.

[Fortyone]

I'm getting that old subtle jew shill vibe. :taunt:


The Zionist Jew Wesley Kanne Clark slaughtered countless White Christian brothers and sisters in Serbia to protect Muslims. Secretary of State Jewess Madeline Albright and other Jews in Clinton's cabinet wholeheartedly supported this.

The forcible takeover of the Serbian cultural homeland of Kosovo is Europe's future, unless Muslims are repelled by force as they invade Europe.


Europe doesn't care about us. I don't care about Europe. I just want to save our country and our culture and our religion. The main threat are the jews. In our government, in our schools, in our courts, in our media... On and on. I have no love for the muslims, but the priority is the jew.


Well if you would have said that to begin with,instead of the shill thing,It sure would have saved on the typing!

[Phoenix]

Many cultures have varying marriage ages,not an issue with me. But why are the women treated so harshly compared to men?


Islam was founded by a misogynist who could not control his sex urges. By demeaning women, some of the urges were fulfilled. Many there are today who think and act just like Muhammed.

[Phoenix]

Before 20th century meddling by foreign powers, their cultures were regional and benign to the west.




Charles the Hammer would definitely take issue with this inaccurate statement. And Eastern Europe fighting the Ottomans and the Barbary Coast and White slave taking all contradict the above statement. Whenever Islam has been strong it has challenged the West. Islam is anything but benign. It is the least benign of all the world religions. On every one of Islam's borders with non Muslims, Muslims are at war.


Charles Martel...and Jan Sobieski.

[Fortyone]

Europe doesn't care about us. I don't care about Europe. I just want to save our country and our culture and our religion. The main threat are the jews. In our government, in our schools, in our courts, in our media... On and on. I have no love for the muslims, but the priority is the jew.


Just curious, what is our culture?


Western Germanic/Celtic/Slavic values.Christianity,Family, and a strong ethic to suceed.

[StackerKen]

illumin19; What do they do with Homosexuals in most Muslim countries ?


What did your God do with homosexuals in Sodom and Gomorrah?


My God can do what ever he sees fit to do.

My God Does not tell me to kill them like they do in Iran.

My God said ""let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" and everyone walked away...

[Joe King]

Whats your opinion on Muslims and their societies ? Also do you view them as any kind of threat? Personally,I find Islam as a primitive,barbaric culture.


Believe it or not, I am torn about the idea of women having to keep covered. Some say that it is out of respect for their women that they are to keep covered, and some say it is to humble them. I don't know what is true. We can see in our own society that the less you wear, the less respect you are granted. Perhaps they're onto something?

IMHO, how they treat their women is where Islam looses all credibility.

Islam is controled by the Islamic males. From what I've seen, they like women covered up so as to not be tempted with impure thoughts.

I've also heard that Allah decides who will have sex with a woman. Problem is, it's the men who think only they are the ones to decide who it was that Allah decided upon. :oo-->

Can you say "subjugation"?
Of one half of the population by the other half?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd7vHhzwtAQ


Perhaps Islamic males should take a crack at at trying to control their own actions and thoughts, instead. lol

This guys last comment in this video states, they might get raped if they don't cover up. What he means is that he is incapable of controling himself.
{he suffers from barbarism}

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p570nGshue0&feature=related


This lady declares it better to be homeless in America than be subjected to sharia law.
Wow, that sure makes it sound appealing. Not!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyNUJxmmaP8&feature=related




I am not sure I have a problem with any of their rules, only their punishments for breaking the rules. Also if a religion is good, then people should be able to leave it without fear of being stoned to death.
Yea, that. Sounds to me that they don't believe in any type of self-determination at all.


And I don't even want to get into the subject of this video. But everyone still needs to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjSmX5aLYLA&feature=related

That Islam is used to support this stuff is deplorable and should be loudly renounced by peace loving Muslims everywhere.
The fact they follow the teachings of a guy, who in his 50's married a 6 year girl, {but hey, it's ok because he didn't rape her 'til she turned 9} speaks volumes about Islam.

[Phoenix]

I don't care about Europe. I just want to save our country and our culture and our religion. The main threat are the jews. In our government, in our schools, in our courts, in our media... On and on. I have no love for the muslims, but the priority is the jew.


You better care about Europe. America cannot stand alone without our cultural homeland.

Ask yourself: why did America care so much about Albanian Muslims in Kosovo? Why did JEWS like Wesley Kanne Clark and Madeline Albright make war on White Christians in Serbia over Muslim invaders in Kosovo?

As both Magnes and I have pointed out, Islam and Talmudism share the same roots...and are essentially two faces of the same problem.

[StackerKen]

Im gonna go ahead and make this statement here.

I don't condone the Zionist takeover of the US. Far from it.

But I don't think there is anything that can be done...Its too late



The Jews or Zionist have taken control of the US because they need the US help to protect them in what is to come.

The Muslims want the Jews Dead...and now I think they may see the US the same way.


The Bible warns the destiny of the World is inseparable from Israel and Jerusalem. The Bible says God would one day re-gather the children of Israel back into their land from among many nations around the world ... the Bible says they would be re-gathered in unbelief ... God warns He is not re-gathering the children of Israel into their Land because they deserve it, but because His Name and His Word are at stake (see Ezekiel 36:17-23) ... and because He loves them ... and they are His chosen people. The Bible warns God would then make Jerusalem a world trouble spot ... the Bible says all nations of the world will turn against Israel ... the Bible warns that during this time 'Gaza will be forsaken' ... the Bible warns a coming world leader (the 'Antichrist') will rise out of 10 nations which once formed the Roman Empire and will enforce a peace plan (a covenant or treaty) upon Israel ('upon the many' - for many in Israel will be against it) ... and then, after a 3½ year false peace, God warns He will send the children of Israel (and all the nations of the world) through a fiery trial unlike anything in the history of the world, to separate the unfaithful unbelievers from the faithful believers (the coming 'Apocalypse') ... the Bible warns two-thirds of the people of Israel will be 'cut off and die' for their unbelief ... then, one day when the armies of the world will gather in and around nation Israel (the coming battle of Armageddon) and when all seems lost for the children of Israel, the Bible says a believing remnant will recognize their Messiah from Scripture (Messiah) and will call upon His Name (Messiah's return). The Bible then tells us 'after these things' the little nation of Israel and the children of Israel will rule over all nations on Earth in peace under her King and Messiah Jesus Christ (Yeshua Ha'Mashiach in Hebrew). The Bible says all of the covenants, promises, curses, prophecies, and blessings God has made to the children and nation of Israel will be fulfilled . . .

[Phoenix]

Europe doesn't care about us. I don't care about Europe. I just want to save our country and our culture and our religion. The main threat are the jews. In our government, in our schools, in our courts, in our media... On and on. I have no love for the muslims, but the priority is the jew.


Just curious, what is our culture?


European Christian Civilization. If America ceases to be European (White) in culture, it will cease to be America. We stand or fall...together.

And only an atheist who is a fool denies that the Christian heritage of America and Europe is why he has the right to not believe in God. Atheism is possible because of true Christianity (not Churchianity). God gives him the right to choose, and genuine Christians guarantee that.

This is an essay by a renowned atheist and scholar, Dr. Revilo P. Oliver:


Christianity – Religion of the West

Revilo P. Oliver
Late Professor of Classics at the University of Illinois at Urbana

You, who are now reading these lines, and I are strangers. I have no means of knowing whether you are a Christian or an atheist. That, however, will not matter, so long as we talk about facts and not wishes.

The observed and verifiable facts of the world about us are not affected by religious faith or the lack of faith. Christians and atheists must find themselves in perfect agreement when they affirm that lead is more malleable than steel, that the earth is an oblate spheroid rotating on its axis, that whales are mammals, that Germany was defeated and devastated by the many nations allied against her in 1945, and that the Chinese are Mongolians.

About such matters there can be no dispute among Western men, who instinctively accept the reality of the world about us and cannot believe, as do many Orientals, that it is merely an illusion in the mind of a dreamer.

If we would salvage and restore our civilization – the Occidental culture that is peculiarly our own and that now seems to be disintegrating and rotting before our very eyes – we must do so as Western men, by observing reality objectively and by reasoning from it dispassionately. And when we try to compute what resources remain to us, we need first of all to determine the actual strength of the Christian tradition at the present time.

The West and Christianity Synonymous

It is a fact, which Christians will regard with satisfaction and some atheists may deplore, that Western civilization in the sense that the great majority of the people belonging to it (though never, at any time, all of them) believed implicitly in the truth of the Christian revelation. That religious unanimity was for a long time so nearly complete that, after the fall of the Roman Empire and the evanescence of hopes for its restoration, we of the West regarded our religion as the bond that united us and distinguished us from the rest of the human species.

During the Middle Ages, our ancestors occupied the greater part of Europe, and, until they discovered the American continents, they lived only in Europe, but despite that geographical unity, they did not generally refer to themselves as the Europeans. For all practical purposes, furthermore, our ancestors belonged to the same division of the White race: they, like the true Greeks and the true Romans before them, were all members of the great race that we now call Indo-European or Aryan, but they had in their languages no word to designate their blood relationship and biological unity. Thus, when they referred to the unity of which they were always conscious as something transcending the constantly shifting territorial and political divisions of Europe, they called themselves Christendom. And for many centuries that word was adequate and misled no-one.

For many centuries the West was Christendom and its civilization was indubitably Christian: that, whether you like it or not, is a historical fact. There is a complementary historical fact that was less obvious at the time and that even thoughtful men overlooked or tried to ignore until the events of the past two decades made it indubitable: Christianity is a religion of the West, and, for all practical purposes, only of the West. It is not, as its polemical adversaries so often charge, a Semitic cult, for it has never commanded the adhesion of any considerable number of Semites, and it is not, as Christians once generally believed, a universal religion, for experience has now proved that it cannot be successfully exported to populations that are not Indo-European.

Ascertained Facts Undeniable

Experience has also proved that it does not do the slightest good to deny ascertained facts. The men of Classical antiquity knew, of course, that the earth is spherical, and Eratosthenes in the third century B.C. calculated its circumference as 24,663 miles.

But the early Fathers of the Church, living in the age of growing ignorance that shrouded the last century of the Roman Empire, decided, on the basis of some statements in the Old Testament, that the earth ought to be flat or, at least, no more curved than a shield. Lactantius was the most eloquent and probably, therefore, the most influential of the many who assiduously demanded that the earth be flat and so imposed on their contemporaries the conviction that it was. In the Middle Ages, to be sure, there were some learned men, such as Buridan, who knew that the globe is a globe, but they, like learned men today, who all know very well that talk about the equality of races is utter nonsense, usually refrained from publicly denouncing fashionable delusions. It was not until the Fifteenth Century that the truth became again inescapable, but when it did, the Christians, being men of the West, who do not deny the lessons of experience, surrendered the comfortable error in which they had once generally believed; and since that time, no rational Christian has doubted that the earth is spherical.

Western Civilization Unexportable

Today, as in the Fifteenth Century, Western men have had to discard a congenial assumption to bring their conception of the world into conformity with observed reality. So long as we of the West held unquestioned dominion over the whole earth, we permitted ourselves to assume that our civilization in general, and our religion in particular, could be exported and made universal. We did not sufficiently observe that talent for mimicry is common to all human beings and indeed to all anthropoids; that all human beings stand in awe of those who have power over them; and that a genius for dissimulation and hypocrisy is hereditary in the most intelligent Orientals.

Even with these oversights, the evidence against our assumption was fairly clear, but in the pride of our power we felt that we could indulge an assumption that was so congenial to the romantic generosity that is a peculiarity of our race. But the events of half a century, and especially of the past two decades, have shown us, beyond peradventure of doubt, the shape of the world in which we live. We now know what our prolonged missionary effort, cultural as well as religious, accomplished – and how its visible effects were produced.
Conversion by Cannon

When Cortes and his small but valiant band of iron men conquered the teeming empire of the Aztecs, he was immediately followed by a train of earnest missionaries, chiefly Franciscans, who began to preach the Gospel to the natives and soon sent home, with naive enthusiasm, glowing accounts of the conversions they had effected. Their pious sincerity and innocent joy still lives in the pages of Father Shagun, Father Torquemada, and many others. For their sake I am glad that the poor Franciscans never suspected how small a part they played in the religious conversions that gave them such happiness. Far, far more persuasive than their sermons and their book had been the Spanish cannon that breached and shattered the Aztec defenses, and the ruthless Spanish soldiers who slew the Aztec priests at their own altars and toppled the Aztec idols from the sacrificial pyramids.

The Aztecs, Tepanecs, and other natives accepted Christianity, not because their hearts were touched by alien and incomprehensible doctrines of love and mercy, but because it was the religion of the White men whose bronze cannon and mail-clad warriors were invincible.

Military Force – Not Love

That was early in the Sixteenth Century and even then there were not wanting indications that should have given pause to a critical mind, but we of the West went on repeating that found mistake for four centuries, as the missionaries whom we sent to all parts of the world wrote home glowing reports of the number of "hearts" they had "won for Christ." It was only after our enemies' campaign of "anti-colonialism" really got under way that most of us realized that what had won all those hearts was primarily the discipline of British regiments and the manifest power of the White man.

We now know what happened. On many a shore of Africa, for example, missionaries eager to "win souls for Christ" ventured to land alone, and the aborigines, after mutilating and torturing them for a good communal laugh, ate them, cooked or raw according to the custom of the local cuisine. Usually, a few weeks or a few months later, a British cruiser hove to offshore and lobbed half a dozen 4.5 shells into the native village, and, if not pressed for time, landed half a company of marines to beat the bushes and drag out a dozen or so savages to hang on convenient trees.

Consequently the tribe, if not very obtuse, took the hint and respected the next bevy of missionaries as somehow representing the god of thunder and lightning. And if the men of God distributed enough free rice and medical care with their sermons, they were able to make "converts," as the natives learned to utter the words that Christians like to hear.

White Missionaries Murdered

That is, in essence, the whole history of "winning souls" among the savages. There were, of course, many local variations. If the first missionaries were preceded by troops or White settlers, the Blacks had already been convinced of the virtues of Christian rifles and had learned that White men should not be regarded as esculent comestibles. It often happened, however, that the natives, even after many years of preaching and conversion, rejected the White man's odd rites very emphatically, and a fresh supply of missionaries was needed. In 1905, for example, the Maji-Maji conspiracy in Tanganyika murdered all the missionaries and almost all the White men and women in the entire territory, and it required a German regiment and several companies of marines to restore the teaching of the Gospel. That was done by giving some forty or fifty thousand demonstrations that a Mauser bullet could penetrate even a Black hide that had been most carefully anointed with the grease of a boiled baby.

The Christian missionaries did teach a ritual and often inculcated a superstition that had some superficial substance of Christianity, but they might as well have followed the example of St. Francis and preached sermons to the birds. That is why the many, many thousands of devoted Christians who expended their whole lives to "save souls" built only an edifice of cardboard and tinsel that is now gone in the wind.

Christianity Incomprehensible to Natives

What the vanishing of that flimsy facade has made obvious was predictable from the first. The religion of the West has never been comprehensible to the rudimentary minds of Congoids, Capoids and Australoids; races so primitive that they were congenitally incapable of inventing a wheel and even of using one without supervision – races that could not develop for themselves even the first and simplest preliminaries of a civilization.

When the missionaries invented systems of writing the crude languages of the primitives, they had also to invent words to express such concepts as ‘God,’ ‘soul,’ ‘justice,’ ‘morality,’ and ‘religion’ – invent them by either creating new words or by perverting to such meanings sounds that in the native jargons conveyed impressions that were faintly and remotely analogous. That fact alone should have made us think.

It was clear, furthermore, that the "converts," even those who had been most thoroughly imbued with an awe of the god of repeating rifles and locomotives, would conform to the White man's morality only under coercion, and that whenever they escaped from the White man's supervision they spontaneously reverted not only to their own mores but also to whatever form of voodoo they had practiced before.

Even if earlier experience had not been conclusive, what happened in Haiti at the very beginning of the Nineteenth Century should have removed the last lingering doubt. But the missionaries did not learn, and the ‘Ladies' Missionary Society’ went on contributing their mites, plying their needles, and glowing with tender emotion for the sweet little savages depicted by their romantic imaginations.

Although it is true that in some places in the former colonial possessions missionaries are still tolerated, if they are obsequious to the natives and pay very well, we have at least learned that the Gospel follows the British regiments in the White man's ignominious and insane retreat from the world that was his.

[MAGNES]

Just curious, what is our culture?


Jee I don't know, ::)

" MEN OF THE WEST !" , a direct quote.

http://i37.tinypic.com/2butcg.jpg

Even the "Venetian Bankers" that took over England later on are represented,
they ran the Turkic Khazars/ Ottomans from the top to attack and invade Europe
and they created Freemasonry too. Europe attacked and occupied on both flanks.
The Crusaders hit the pinser move on Europe in the center. The enemies from the
north converted by Charlamagne became Europes greatest defenders, they were
on autopilot. Christians saved Europe.

http://i37.tinypic.com/2hpswep.jpg

Black Plague being introduced to Europe by the Khazars
is also represented in the LOTR.

[wildcard]

I don't care about Europe. I just want to save our country and our culture and our religion. The main threat are the jews. In our government, in our schools, in our courts, in our media... On and on. I have no love for the muslims, but the priority is the jew.


You better care about Europe. America cannot stand alone without our cultural homeland.

Ask yourself: why did America care so much about Albanian Muslims in Kosovo? Why did JEWS like Wesley Kanne Clark and Madeline Albright make war on White Christians in Serbia over Muslim invaders in Kosovo?

As both Magnes and I have pointed out, Islam and Talmudism share the same roots...and are essentially two faces of the same problem.


Europe is done. We're the last hope, and I'm not too optimistic about that. The reason we were involved is the same reason for most of our foreign policy: jew manipulation.

[Fortyone]

I don't care about Europe. I just want to save our country and our culture and our religion. The main threat are the jews. In our government, in our schools, in our courts, in our media... On and on. I have no love for the muslims, but the priority is the jew.


You better care about Europe. America cannot stand alone without our cultural homeland.

Ask yourself: why did America care so much about Albanian Muslims in Kosovo? Why did JEWS like Wesley Kanne Clark and Madeline Albright make war on White Christians in Serbia over Muslim invaders in Kosovo?

As both Magnes and I have pointed out, Islam and Talmudism share the same roots...and are essentially two faces of the same problem.


I believe Europe will eventually need to be purged of this virus,by either Russia or a Russian/US alliance.Russia must be supported at all costs,they are on the frontline of Islamic and Asiatic (Chinese)Hordes as in the past. Banning Islam in Europe and deporting of all non-Arab east asians would be a good start IMHO.Arabs could be assimilated in a couple generations,for the Jews,They wanted Israel,send them all there.

[Phoenix]

Europe is done. We're the last hope, and I'm not too optimistic about that.


If Europe is done, so are we. I believe Europe is done. We're now the Defenders of the Alamo, and we know how it ends.

[wildcard]

There will be another huge world war of attrition. Of course the goal will be to kill more White Christian men. That will include the USA and Russia. Hmmm, let's see who is being resistant to the jews? China? The muslim countries? Maybe even the Hindi of India.

[MAGNES]

Europe is done.


That is not true, there are mass awakenings, in Europe people do not have to say "white",
European will suffice, still a homeland to traditional people, they don't accept foreigners.

Europe is for Europeans and most Europeans agree. Something is going to break one day.

The USA is very important, they want to take it down for a reason, the EU is done too.
Don't know what they have planned, EU currency is done, we all know that, only a matter
of time. Unless they inflate everyone at once, don't know how that will work.

[StackerKen]

come on you guys...

You guys know its over for the US as well as Europe..

Its just the Jews and the Muzzies left to battle it out.

[Fortyone]

Europe is done.


That is not true, there are mass awakenings, in Europe people do not have to say "white",
European will suffice, still a homeland to traditional people, they don't accept foreigners.

Europe is for Europeans and most Europeans agree. Something is going to break one day.

The USA is very important, they want to take it down for a reason, the EU is done too.
Don't know what they have planned, EU currency is done, we all know that, only a matter
of time. Unless they inflate everyone at once, don't know how that will work.



If you take down the US,Russia and Europe,who controls the world then? the answer is obvious.It doesnt matter who controls them,what matters is what they do. BTW WC, China is Communist,we all know who invented that! and they are no freind of the West,they have designs on Siberia and Canada.

[Fortyone]

come on you guys...

You guys know its over for the US as well as Europe..

Its just the Jews and the Muzzies left to battle it out.


Defeatist talk.

[wildcard]

come on you guys...

You guys know its over for the US as well as Europe..

Its just the Jews and the Muzzies left to battle it out.


I would guess there are at least 25 million people in the USA that would disagree. That's a lot of people when you get down to it.

[wildcard]

Europe is done.


That is not true, there are mass awakenings, in Europe people do not have to say "white",
European will suffice, still a homeland to traditional people, they don't accept foreigners.

Europe is for Europeans and most Europeans agree. Something is going to break one day.

The USA is very important, they want to take it down for a reason, the EU is done too.
Don't know what they have planned, EU currency is done, we all know that, only a matter
of time. Unless they inflate everyone at once, don't know how that will work.



If you take down the US,Russia and Europe,who controls the world then? the answer is obvious.It doesnt matter who controls them,what matters is what they do. BTW WC, China is Communist,we all know who invented that! and they are no freind of the West,they have designs on Siberia and Canada.


Yeah, China is communist, but they are sort of on their own program. I think the Chinese elite have become comfortable with the idea of ruling the people themselves. When you have a 13 million man/woman army you can tell pretty much everyone to get fucked.

[Fortyone]

Europe is done.


That is not true, there are mass awakenings, in Europe people do not have to say "white",
European will suffice, still a homeland to traditional people, they don't accept foreigners.

Europe is for Europeans and most Europeans agree. Something is going to break one day.

The USA is very important, they want to take it down for a reason, the EU is done too.
Don't know what they have planned, EU currency is done, we all know that, only a matter
of time. Unless they inflate everyone at once, don't know how that will work.



If you take down the US,Russia and Europe,who controls the world then? the answer is obvious.It doesnt matter who controls them,what matters is what they do. BTW WC, China is Communist,we all know who invented that! and they are no freind of the West,they have designs on Siberia and Canada.


Yeah, China is communist, but they are sort of on their own program. I think the Chinese elite have become comfortable with the idea of ruling the people themselves. When you have a 13 million man/woman army you can tell pretty much everyone to get f*cked.


Ill buy that about their own program. Remember though that army is made up of alot of men which have no hope of finding a chinese bride.That is a danger as well.

[MAGNES]

If you take down the US,Russia and Europe,who controls the world then? the answer is obvious.It doesnt matter who controls them,what matters is what they do. BTW WC, China is Communist,we all know who invented that! and they are no freind of the West,they have designs on Siberia and Canada.


Well we can see those are the key targets, as Christians are banned, jailed and
even murdered in many countries, Kosovo, India, China, Israel, muslim countries,
they only work to brainwash Europeans to accept them and you never see the hatred
against us. The whole world hates us, is jealous of us, even told we robbed them, etc,

White Christian European Westerners are the key targets.

They don't give a shit if you renounce Christianity, to them you are target still.

I ain't even religious, not to recognize the targets for what they are is folly.

Putin I believe has their number, so do many Europeans.

China has been chosen as safe haven for Jews from what I see for years.
Israel buying them off with arms, tech, and factories, CFR Jews built China
and de industrialized the USA and other Western Countries, the EU accomplished
much of this too, paying people not to produce, even major food is imported now.

Look at the grain ban from Russia, banning of exports, lol .

They are going to starve non producing nations, even the USA.
Like their past history.

Everyone should watch their comments, discussion like this is easily shut down.
Save your posts about force and violence to yourselves, we don't control the
future, plan and prepare, and get ready, it is here.

[StackerKen]

come on you guys...

You guys know its over for the US as well as Europe..

Its just the Jews and the Muzzies left to battle it out.


I would guess there are at least 25 million people in the USA that would disagree. That's a lot of people when you get down to it.


OK

I'll do my best to protect the little hill I live on.

[StackerKen]

come on you guys...

You guys know its over for the US as well as Europe..

Its just the Jews and the Muzzies left to battle it out.


Defeatist talk.


Well If I sound like Im defeated, it all your guy's fault.

You have done your best to convince me that the Jews have taken over this country.

and I am finally seeing that today.

[Phoenix]

I would guess there are at least 25 million people in the USA that would disagree. That's a lot of people when you get down to it.


I just hope when it comes to a head, we don't have another South Africa 1994 on our hands.

Most of us were expecting the Afrikaners to resist. And in the end, virtually none did.

[Phoenix]

Well If I sound like Im defeated, it all your guy's fault.

You have done your best to convince me that the Jews have taken over this country.

and I am finally seeing that today.


The Devil has run the world since the beginning, but in the End, he gets to go to Hell with his servants the Jews and the Muslims.

[Fortyone]

I would guess there are at least 25 million people in the USA that would disagree. That's a lot of people when you get down to it.


I just hope when it comes to a head, we don't have another South Africa 1994 on our hands.

Most of us were expecting the Afrikaners to resist. And in the end, virtually none did.


The Afrikaners were outnumbered and had almost zero support. This 25 million spoke of here is of a different stock. Mostly Pro-Constitutional gun owners with a strong sense of self preservation.

[gunDriller]

Islam is very similar to Christianity in 2 basic areas -

* Values - the 10 Commandments type stuff.
* Heaven, concept of.

the odd man out is Judaism, which teaches Jews that it's 100% AOK morally to rob & kill non-Jews - 24/7. see the Talmud, the Sanhedrin section - reads like today's corporate law.

[Phoenix]

the odd man out is Judaism, which teaches Jews that it's 100% AOK morally to rob & kill non-Jews - 24/7.


The Quran also allows pretty much any outrage to be perpetrated against "infidels."

[sirgonzo420]

the odd man out is Judaism, which teaches Jews that it's 100% AOK morally to rob & kill non-Jews - 24/7.


The Quran also allows pretty much any outrage to be perpetrated against "infidels."


I can't remember where from, but I heard that the term "infidel" applies only to ex-muslims, and not non-muslims in general.

As in, one must first be a "fidel" before one can be an "infidel".

[Phoenix]

the odd man out is Judaism, which teaches Jews that it's 100% AOK morally to rob & kill non-Jews - 24/7.


The Quran also allows pretty much any outrage to be perpetrated against "infidels."


I can't remember where from, but I heard that the term "infidel" applies only to ex-muslims, and not non-muslims in general.

As in, one must first be a "fidel" before one can be an "infidel".


My understanding is that once exposed to the tenets of Islam, one must choose to become a Muslim, or one is "infidel." So that means you and I are "infidel."

[goldmonkey]

Europe doesn't care about us. I don't care about Europe. I just want to save our country and our culture and our religion. The main threat are the jews. In our government, in our schools, in our courts, in our media... On and on. I have no love for the muslims, but the priority is the jew.


Just curious, what is our culture?


What Makes Western Culture Unique? (http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/West-TOQ.htm)

[EE_]

Can we change the title of this post to:
"Muslims: how do you feel about the people that allow useless Muslims to imigrate into the US"

Then I'll something to say.

[SHTF2010]

I see religion as a form of mental illness... and religious believers as people to be regarded with suspicion until they've shown their non-coercive, non-fraudulent nature. I don't care WHAT people believe with respect to supernatural realms and entities, so long as they don't try and force any of their beliefs on me. Unfortunately, it's been my experience that at LEAST a good half of them feel compelled to convince me of the existence of their invisible friends, some using more coercive tactics than others.


another addition to my GSUS quotes file

[SHTF2010]

Muslim students back killing in the name of Islam (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2462911/Muslim-students-back-killing-in-the-name-of-Islam.html)

27 Jul 2008

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

Europe doesn't care about us. I don't care about Europe. I just want to save our country and our culture and our religion. The main threat are the jews. In our government, in our schools, in our courts, in our media... On and on. I have no love for the muslims, but the priority is the jew.


Just curious, what is our culture?


What Makes Western Culture Unique? (http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/West-TOQ.htm)


Inventiveness, creativity, a genius found in no other people. Compare Whites to the Hispanics who are in the midst of a population explosion. Where are the Mexican geniuses? If Whites were having a similar population explosion there would be a concurrent renaissance of some sort taking place, whether in music or computer science or something else. We are more than worthy as a group to continue existing. Even our deadliest enemies, the Jews, will live to rue the day of our disappearance. Idiocracy and violence, upfront and on their doorsteps, will be the order of the day. Destroying that which is capable of excellence for that which is not is tragic.

[Ash_Williams]

I have muslim friends and have had the discussion too many times.

Around here, most christians, muslims, jews, hindus, whatever, are not that dedicated to their religion on the surface (At least the ones my age.) You can hang out with them and they are all normal people, with normal dress, easy to get along with.

The thing that makes muslims different, is that even a muslim that drinks and goes to strip clubs and smokes weed and such still has a dark side. You can ask a regular person who is also a christian if christianity should be enforced on others, if christians need to gain controlling power of the city/country/world, etc. They will usually say "no, leave people alone". Same as the other religions. All these people are perfectly fine with having their own religion and not pushing it on anyone else in any way and would actually oppose pushing it on others, but not muslims. I think with a few exceptions, all muslims do want more muslim power in the world, and they do want everyone to convert to islam as they think it will be better that way.

The amount of religious teaching/brainwashing they receive and the consequences they are threatened with for not accepting it is more severe than in other religions. You can meet a nice muslim girl out in jeans and a t-shirt and being happy with her friends and later learn that she is fully convinced if she doesn't marry the man she is going to be send off to, she will be killed by her family. Some of them get married off to the middle east and don't last more than a month - everyone knows this is a likely outcome but the parents do it anyway. I mean that's pretty weird stuff to have over here in our society.

So, how I feel about them... they are fine as things are today, but I see them also as a huge group with some "programming" in their heads ready to be activated. They will continue to try to gain power through population. They will always support what they are told to support. And they will always think they are doing the right thing.

[Spectrism]

The God of chrisitianity made man with choice. Man can say yes or no.

The god of islam does not permit human choice. Submit or lose your head as an infidel. The adherents of islam will kill you because their religion says they must.

[gunDriller]

i have friends who are Muslim. i like them.

one of the things i would like to see change about Muslim practices is the modesty rules (about clothing worn by women). i don't mean i want the rules to go away, i would just like to see them modified - e.g., why can't Muslim women wear wetsuits and swim in the ocean ?

it seems like in most Muslim cultures, women don't get as many opportunities. in sports, work, school, etc. i'm not sure why that is.

sometimes i wonder if Israel finances the madrassas because studying the Koran 24/7 is not a great way to learn math & science, which you need to learn if you want to have a technology economy and a better position in the world economy. so the young Muslim men that go to madrassa's are typically not destined to go learn computer programming or to enter the digital world in significant numbers.

[DMac]

The God of chrisitianity made man with choice. Man can say yes or no.

The god of islam does not permit human choice. Submit or lose your head as an infidel. The adherents of islam will kill you because their religion says they must.


I don't buy into that Spectrism. I think it is a propagandized lie, or corrupted interpretation of the Koran. Every muslim I've ever spoken to seems to renounce that as fundamentalist, extremist,

I am not a muslim, but what I see in the Koran is that you are not supposed to kill others.

This type of libel against Islam is part of our troubles these days. There are many corrupted leaders in the Middle East. I view them in the same light as the corrupted leaders of some Christians, including the corrupted members of the Catholic Church. The corrupted leaders of Judaism are routinely described here on this site.

The bigger threat to Christianity is Hasidism - at least Muslims revere Jesus. Christians have their place next to Muslims, not to be killed, as written in the Koran. Not so much in the Judaic world.

[Joe King]

it seems like in most Muslim cultures, women don't get as many opportunities.

Can you say, subjugation?

[wildcard]

I thought we'd already been through the damage done by giving women the right to vote. Took them out of the home and away from the family. Exactly what tptb wanted.

*women were pretty happy until some jew told them they weren't. Tricked them into giving up the most powerful position in the world.

[Book]

The Quran also allows pretty much any outrage to be perpetrated against "infidels."



Muslims didn't have anything to do with the mass murder of over 50 million during WWII. The Bible must have "allowed" it.

:oo-->

[Ponce]

The end of Ramdan (I think ) which is the beginning of the Muslims holyday falls on 911, the will celebrate with sweet and candy an party's.........don't believe the ZIONISTS when they tell you that the Muslims are celebrating the 911 attack committed by the Zionists themselves.

[Phoenix]

The Quran also allows pretty much any outrage to be perpetrated against "infidels."



Muslims didn't have anything to do with the mass murder of over 50 million during WWII. The Bible must have "allowed" it.

:oo-->


I'm not taking the bait.

THIS is what caused World War II:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31Z9BR99JWL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

[Fortyone]

The God of chrisitianity made man with choice. Man can say yes or no.

The god of islam does not permit human choice. Submit or lose your head as an infidel. The adherents of islam will kill you because their religion says they must.


I don't buy into that Spectrism. I think it is a propagandized lie, or corrupted interpretation of the Koran. Every muslim I've ever spoken to seems to renounce that as fundamentalist, extremist,

I am not a muslim, but what I see in the Koran is that you are not supposed to kill others.

This type of libel against Islam is part of our troubles these days. There are many corrupted leaders in the Middle East. I view them in the same light as the corrupted leaders of some Christians, including the corrupted members of the Catholic Church. The corrupted leaders of Judaism are routinely described here on this site.

The bigger threat to Christianity is Hasidism - at least Muslims revere Jesus. Christians have their place next to Muslims, not to be killed, as written in the Koran. Not so much in the Judaic world.



The Religion of Peace in Russia

[Fortyone]

And how they LOVE Christian s in Kosovo................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyb3_4XD2Ho

[Phoenix]

Fortyone, I predict someone will now allege that Beslan and Kosovo were the work of "the Mossad." ANYTHING to divert people's attention away from the towelheads and their religion of worshiping a rock that represents Allah's Siva Yoni (vagina).

[Phoenix]

The "religion of peace" attacks the founder of the world's actually-most peaceful religion, Buddhism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ-oaUqvAS8&feature=related

Afghani Muslim trash blow up priceless, centuries old, hand-carved Buddha statues.

[Fortyone]

Fortyone, I predict someone will now allege that Beslan and Kosovo were the work of "the Mossad." ANYTHING to divert people's attention away from the towelheads and their religion of worshiping a rock.


The photos are no worse than what is happening in Palestine by the Zionist hand,But some here are in complete denial on what these fiends have in store for the West!

[Phoenix]

Fortyone, I predict someone will now allege that Beslan and Kosovo were the work of "the Mossad." ANYTHING to divert people's attention away from the towelheads and their religion of worshiping a rock.


The photos are no worse than what is happening in Palestine by the Zionist hand,But some here are in complete denial on what these fiends have in store for the West!


Both Jews and Muslims are savage followers of savage ideologies. We should leave them alone to destroy each other. And stamp them out when they try to bring their bullshit to our lands.

[Ponce]

Fortyone? you just got one of my thanks............miracles do happen hahahahahahahah.

[PatColo]

Scary Moozlemists scare me. :o :o :o :o


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsUtvOW6SR0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi1ZNEjEarw

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-223210418534585840#

:o :o :o :o

[StackerKen]

Pat

We all know you love you some muzzies....

Its ok :)

[MoMoney]

Pretty much the same way I "feel" about Christians, Jews, Hindus, Satanists, etc. etc. etc.

I see religion as a form of mental illness... and religious believers as people to be regarded with suspicion until they've shown their non-coercive, non-fraudulent nature. I don't care WHAT people believe with respect to supernatural realms and entities, so long as they don't try and force any of their beliefs on me. Unfortunatley, it's been my experience that at LEAST a good half of them feel compelled to convince me of the existence of their invisible friends, some with more coercive tactics than others.


I am agnostic. I do not care for religion one way or the other. I do not go to church. I do not prey. I do not know if there is a god or not. I do not care if there is a god or not. I am simply not interested in learning about religion. I do not have any problems with ANY religious people here on line or offline. They are people just like me and they breathe the same air just like me. They choose to believe in something that may or may not exist. I just do not want people to force their religion on me. As for Muslims...........I have no problem with them. They do not bother me and I do not bother them.

Very interesting!

[Phoenix]

Scary Moozlemists scare me. :o :o :o :o


So, Pat, are you trying to convince us that Jews are bad, that Muslims are good, or both?

No one who has read my posts over the last three years at GIM and now here believes I think Jews are good. I contend that both Jews and Muslims are bad.

[Fortyone]

Scary Moozlemists scare me. :o :o :o :o


So, Pat, are you trying to convince us that Jews are bad, that Muslims are good, or both?

No one who has read my posts over the last three years at GIM and now here believes I think Jews are good. I contend that both Jews and Muslims are bad.



I contend that ANYONE that is an enemy of the Western Civilization ,no matter who their other enemies are,are MY enemies. I also will state, that while I agree that the truth concerning 9/11 needs to be brought forth,It must be done in a way not to insult peoples intelligence. "Aww Jeez,looky there...." is a condescending message to those that still have the generally perceived view of what happened. I for one dont give a rats ass what an "expert" has to say unless he can explain it to me in a way one can understand.Experts can be paid to give their opinion and 1200 experts isnt that large of a number. I can tell you of 1200 "experts" that disagree with your 1200 if one looks around long enough. Your posts are real informative,but I agree with Phoenix,You tend to defend Muslims more than accuse the real perpetrators.

[Ponce]

Phoenix........the "Jews" have proven to be more of an enemy to the American people than the Muslims .......but of course I don't count those overseas who are defending their land against the invaders.

[EE_]

Phoenix........the "Jews" have proven to be more of an enemy to the American people than the Muslims .......but of course I don't count those overseas who are defending their land against the invaders.


Since the evil Zionists Jews are in control, aren't they responsible for allowing the useless Muslims into the US and GB.
Once again, it's the Jews that are our enemy.
Note: I don't consider all Muslims useless, I just believe immigration should be based on the value people can contribute to a society and their ability to assimilate. Much like Australia does.

[Phoenix]

Phoenix........the "Jews" have proven to be more of an enemy to the American people than the Muslims


I'm not a fan of typhus because cancer is more deadly.

[Phoenix]

Since PatColo thanked two posts subsequent to mine, it is conclusive that he saw my post. Hence, I will post this again, until he answers:


So, Pat, are you trying to convince us that Jews are bad, that Muslims are good, or both?

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

Ultimately pretty much all non White groups are de facto enemies in waiting, if not active today. Hispanics (with special emphasis on Mexicans), Blacks, Muslims (with special emphasis on Arabs and Iranians), and last but not least the archetypal traditional enemy, the Jews, are all robust competitors in a harsh world. They will all, if push comes to shove, push Whites under the bus for their own aggrandizement, most will do it for fun. After 60 years of non-stop media demonizing, there is a lot of hatred directed at Whites. The Jews, and their creature the white liberals, have gone out of their way, and spent untold millions, blaming Whites for everything, and giving us zero credit for the good we have done. It is forbidden to talk up Whites in any way shape or form. Mixing ourselves in amongst all these very real competitors is not smart. Whites need homelands for protection, if nothing else -- and there is plenty else. It is not a kumbaya world we live in, no matter how much people might want it to be. If you walk at night alone in a dangerous neighborhood being a "good person" isn't enough to protect you. Strategic, common sense, measures need to be taken for you to remain safe in a dangerous world. Number one, we need our own territories.