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MNeagle
9th August 2010, 06:41 AM
In Bloomington, Ill., machine shop Mechanical Devices can't find the workers it needs to handle a sharp jump in business. Job fairs run by airline Emirates attract fewer applicants in the U.S. than in other countries. Truck-stop operator Pilot Flying J says job postings don't elicit many more applicants than they did when the unemployment rate was below 5%.

With a 9.5% jobless rate and some 15 million Americans looking for work, many employers are inundated with applicants. But a surprising number say they are getting an underwhelming response, and many are having trouble filling open positions.

"This is as bad now as at the height of business back in the 1990s," says Dan Cunningham, chief executive of the Long-Stanton Manufacturing Co., a maker of stamped-metal parts in West Chester, Ohio, that has been struggling to hire a few toolmakers. "It's bizarre. We are just not getting applicants."

Employers and economists point to several explanations. Extending jobless benefits to 99 weeks gives the unemployed less incentive to search out new work. Millions of homeowners are unable to move for a job because the real-estate collapse leaves them owing more on their homes than they are worth.

The job market itself also has changed. During the crisis, companies slashed millions of middle-skill, middle-wage jobs. That has created a glut of people who can't qualify for highly skilled jobs but have a hard time adjusting to low-pay, unskilled work like the food servers that Pilot Flying J seeks for its truck stops.

The difficulty finding workers limits the economy's ability to grow. It is particularly troubling at a time when 4.3% of the labor force has been out of work for more than six months—a level much higher than after any other recession since 1948.

Some economists fear the U.S. could end up with a permanent caste of long-term unemployed, like those that weigh on government budgets in some European countries. "It is a very worrisome development," says Steven Davis, an economist at the University of Chicago's Booth School of Business. "It leads over a long period of time to social alienation as well as economic hardship."

Matching people with available jobs is always difficult after a recession as the economy remakes itself. But Labor Department data suggest the disconnect is particularly acute this time around. Since the economy bottomed out in mid-2009, the number of job openings has risen more than twice as fast as actual hires, a gap that didn't appear until much later in the last recovery. The disparity is most notable in manufacturing, which has had among the biggest increases in openings. But it is also appearing in other areas, such as business services, education and health care.

If the job market were working normally—that is, if openings were getting filled as they usually do—the U.S. should have about five million more gainfully employed people than it does, estimates David Altig, research director at the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta. That would correspond to an unemployment rate of 6.8%, instead of 9.5%.

Of course, many jobs remain easy to fill. Companies offering middle-skilled jobs can be flooded with applicants. Laquita Stribling, a senior area vice president in Nashville for staffing firm Randstad, says she received several hundred applications for a branch manager job that might have attracted a few dozen candidates before the recession.

"The talent pool has swollen to the point where it's almost overwhelming," says Ms. Stribling.

But other employers with lots of applicants say the pool of qualified workers is small for specialized jobs. Carolyn Henn, head of hiring at environmental consultancy Apex Companies, says she recently received about 150 applications for an industrial hygienist job paying as much as $47,000 a year, which requires special certifications and expertise to oversee projects such as asbestos cleanups. That is about three times the amount she received for similar jobs before the recession. But she says the number of qualified applicants—about five—is less than she got before.

"We've always been looking for a needle in a haystack," she says. "There's still only one needle, but the haystack has gotten a lot bigger than it was before."

Longer-term trends are at play. For one, the U.S. education system hasn't been producing enough people with the highly specialized skills that many companies, particularly in manufacturing, require to keep driving productivity gains. "There are a lot of people who are unemployed, but those aren't necessarily the people employers are looking for," says David Autor, an economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Manufacturers of high-precision products such as automobile and aircraft parts are in a particularly tough spot. Global competition keeps them from raising wages much. But they need workers with the combination of math skills, intuition and stamina required to operate the computer-controlled metalworking machines that now dominate the factory floor.

At Mechanical Devices, which supplies parts for earthmovers and other heavy equipment to manufacturers such as Caterpillar Inc., part owner Mark Sperry says he has been looking for $13-an-hour machinists since early this year. The lack of workers is "the key limitation to the growth of our business and to meeting our customers' expectations," says Mr. Sperry. He estimates the company could immediately boost sales by as much as 20% if it could find the 40 workers it needs.

Trips to several job fairs yielded almost nothing, so the company set up a 10-week training program to create its own machinists. Out of the first group of 24 trainees, 16 made it to graduation.

Mr. Sperry sees extended jobless benefits as one of the main culprits behind his company's hiring difficulties. Many of the applicants he saw at job fairs, he says, were just going through the motions so they could collect their unemployment checks.

Some workers agree that unemployment benefits make them less likely to take whatever job comes along, particularly when those jobs don't pay much. Michael Hatchell, a 52-year-old mechanic in Lumberton, N.C., says he turned down more than a dozen offers during the 59 weeks he was unemployed, because they didn't pay more than the $450 a week he was collecting in benefits. One auto-parts store, he says, offered him $7.75 an hour, which amounts to only $310 a week for 40 hours.

"I was not going to put myself in a situation where I was making that small of a wage," says Mr. Hatchell. He has since found a better-paying job at a different auto-parts dealer.

Unemployment benefits, though, can't explain the whole problem. Researchers at the Federal Reserve have estimated that the benefits could account for between 0.4 and 1.7 percentage points of the unemployment rate. That doesn't cover the 2.7-percentage-point gap between the current jobless rate and what Mr. Altig's analysis of job openings suggests the rate should be.

Some of the people who dropped out of the Mechanical Devices training program aren't collecting unemployment benefits and offer other reasons why they couldn't or wouldn't do the work. Former truck driver Troy Arnett says the prospect of standing in front of a machine all day was just too restricting after a career spent making about $60,000 a year on the open road.

"I figured in these economic times you've just got to bite the bullet, and I couldn't do it," says the 42-year-old Mr. Arnett. He considers himself among the lucky ones: He has since found a job installing railroad crossings that he expects will pay about $50,000 a year.

Employers say getting people to move for work has been especially difficult this time. Often, that is a function of the mortgage and credit problems many potential employees face. In a recent study, Fernando Ferreira and Joseph Gyourko of the University of Pennsylvania, together with Joseph Tracy of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, found that people who owe more on their mortgages than their homes are worth are about a third less mobile.

At Emirates, four cabin-crew job fairs the airline held in Miami, Houston, San Francisco and Seattle attracted an average of about 50 people each, compared to a global average of about 150 and as many as 1,000 at some events in Europe and Asia. "I would have liked to have seen more and would have expected to see more," says Rick Helliwell, vice president of recruitment.

The jobs require little more than a high-school diploma and fluency in English. They include free accommodation and medical care, and starting pay of about $30,000 a year. Mr. Helliwell speculates that Americans might be hesitant to move to Dubai, where the jobs are based. "Maybe they have less of an adventurous spirit" given the uncertainties they face at home, he said.

The obstacles to moving are aggravated because many employers no longer provide the same job security they have in the past. Temporary jobs, for example, have increased 21% since September 2009 as more employers—including Mechanical Devices—hire through staffing agencies to help control health-care costs and maintain flexibility.

David Denton, a 63-year-old quality-control expert, recently quit a temporary job at Mechanical Devices. He says the terms of employment simply weren't attractive enough to make him pick up stakes and move. The one-hour commute from his hometown of Mt. Zion, Ill., proved to be too burdensome, he says, as the cost of gasoline cut into his $15-an-hour wage.

Like a number of older workers, Mr. Denton has decided to leave the work force rather than accept a lower-paying job. Mr. Denton says he plans to live on savings until he can collect full Social Security benefits at age 66. "I'm trying to hang on the best I can," he says.

The disconnect between workers and jobs could constrain the economy for some time. It makes it hard for even small firms, which as a group typically account for an outsize share of job growth in a rebound.

Paul McNarney, owner of The Mower Shop in Fishers, Ind., says he has been looking for a good lawnmower mechanic so he can guarantee a one-week turnaround on repairs. He received only two responses to an Internet ad he placed a couple of months ago, even though the job can generate income of more than $40,000 a year, depending how many mowers the mechanic repairs. Similar ads he placed before the recession attracted more than a dozen candidates, he says.

"My thought was that in a cr— economy I could probably find somebody good because a lot of people were looking," says Mr. McNarney, who has been in business for 13 years selling everything from simple lawnmowers to big riding models for large properties. "I didn't find anybody."

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mightymanx
9th August 2010, 07:41 AM
So basicly everything is going acording to plan.

Phoenix
9th August 2010, 01:41 PM
But a surprising number say they are getting an underwhelming response, and many are having trouble filling open positions.


What are the qualifications they're asking for?

Drug testing required?




has been struggling to hire a few toolmakers


They probably are looking for machinists, not "hamburger assembly engineers."

America hasn't been producing machinists, since most manufacturing is in China now, by design.



Extending jobless benefits to 99 weeks gives the unemployed less incentive to search out new work.


Is this the purpose of stories like this? To "justify" "austerity plans" for the common folk? "We should cut unemployment benefits, people aren't wanting to look for work." ::) Like's been noted plenty of times before, unemployment does not make people rich. It pays just barely enough to cover basic needs in most cases.

Ponce
9th August 2010, 03:38 PM
That what I used to love about being a lathe machinist, there was always a job somewhere, as a matter of fact I even had three jobs in one day........fired from one, didn't like the second one and ended up on the third one for three years.

The one that I got fired from? the bosses son use to play the stereo so loud that I could not hear my own machine so that I ?????? up the stereo.

skid
9th August 2010, 11:50 PM
has been struggling to hire a few toolmakers


They probably are looking for machinists, not "hamburger assembly engineers."

A tool maker is a very specialized machinist (a trade by itself) that creates tools for stamping, casting, forging, and molding parts. Very few young people enter that type of trade anymore, cause they can't text or call or email their buddies and they may actually get their hands dirty..

Ponce
10th August 2010, 12:06 AM
Skid? when I left my last job as a machinist I was earning $22.50 an hour and that was in 1980.

Even now, the other day I went to visit the only machine shop in my little town to see what was going on and was offered a job hahahahahhaahah, I have a small lathe mill combo in my garage, a "Smithy", and a larger one "Grizzle" that is 18X36 just in case.....still have all my precision tools, around $6,000 worth of them.

Joe King
10th August 2010, 12:53 AM
Skid? when I left my last job as a machinist I was earning $22.50 an hour and that was in 1980.

Even now, the other day I went to visit the only machine shop in my little town to see what was going on and was offered a job hahahahahhaahah, I have a small lathe mill combo in my garage, a "Smithy", and a larger one "Grizzle" that is 18X36 just in case.....still have all my precision tools, around $6,000 worth of them.


A machinist, huh? That's cool Ponce.
It's a great skill to know and the knowledge of it can be applied in so many ways.

It must be really nice having a setup like yours.
What've been some of your projects?

Here's a pic of some titanium candlestick holders I made when I was in HS. (http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/3907/img0289dz.jpg)
While I've never actually "worked" as a machinist, I did learn how to cut gears back then, too.

millwright
10th August 2010, 04:38 AM
The reason this machine shop can't fill is quite simple.

They are offering 1980 wages with no medical benefits ,or any benefits for that matter.

At 13 dollars an hour minus taxes and gas to and from and you are left with 400 a week. Then take out the cost for medical insurance which currently would run someone 400 a month for a 10,000 deductible plan and you are left with 300 a month.

Gee let me pack my bags and get out to hell hole Illinois,where the taxes and gun laws are some of the worst in the nation.

Nah, i think ill wait until my next prevailing wage job starts up in OCT out in California. Yeah ill have to travel,and yeah the taxes are high but i will be netting over 1600 dollars a week.

The machine shop in Illinois can kiss this millwrights ass.

1970 silver art
10th August 2010, 04:59 AM
The OP's article brought up what I thought was a good point about UE being one of the reasons that some firms are struggling to find workers.

If the wages are less than what an unemployed person can get through UE, then that unemployed person will just continue stay on UE. It seems to make sense to me because why would a person who is getting UI to help pay the bills take a job that pays much less that what he is getting in UE?

The risk of staying on UE until a person finds a job with a wage that is higher than their UE benefits is that when 99 weeks is up, then they will not have UE benefits and they will not have a job. They more than likely would not have any other savings to draw down to help pay the bills.

Twisted Titan
10th August 2010, 05:33 AM
The reason this machine shop can't fill is quite simple.

They are offering 1980 wages with no medical benefits ,or any benefits for that matter.

At 13 dollars an hour minus taxes and gas to and from and you are left with 400 a week. Then take out the cost for medical insurance which currently would run someone 400 a month for a 10,000 deductible plan and you are left with 300 a month.

Gee let me pack my bags and get out to hell hole Illinois,where the taxes and gun laws are some of the worst in the nation.

Nah, i think ill wait until my next prevailing wage job starts up in OCT out in California. Yeah ill have to travel,and yeah the taxes are high but i will be netting over 1600 dollars a week.

The machine shop in Illinois can kiss this millwrights ass.




BINGO


It is a combonation of the two.

America dosent produce skilled artisans any more

Companies know they dont have to offer much (if anything) in terms of a prevailing wage.So they rely on the desperation factor to bring in applicants.


That path can only lead to one destination

Joe King
10th August 2010, 05:37 AM
Silver Art, the job could pay a fair amount more than UE and still not be taken.

If you figure in transportation and loosing all the free time they've gotten used to.

If, for example they're collecting $400 a week on UE and a job pays $450 a week, they're pretty much giving up 40 hours a week for $50.

Another reason people will sometimes not take a lower paying job as quickly is because if it doesn't work out and they get re-laid off from a job that pays substantially less than their last one, they'll get even less on UE than they did before.{while still having the same mortgage and other bills}
i.e. people are sometimes trying to maintain their wage earning history at a certain level and feel they can wait to lower their standards job-wise.

1970 silver art
10th August 2010, 05:58 AM
Silver Art, the job could pay a fair amount more than UE and still not be taken.

If you figure in transportation and loosing all the free time they've gotten used to.

If, for example they're collecting $400 a week on UE and a job pays $450 a week, they're pretty much giving up 40 hours a week for $50.

Another reason people will sometimes not take a lower paying job as quickly is because if it doesn't work out and they get re-laid off from a job that pays substantially less than their last one, they'll get even less on UE than they did before.{while still having the same mortgage and other bills}
i.e. people are sometimes trying to maintain their wage earning history at a certain level and feel they can wait to lower their standards job-wise.




It is an individual decision that an unemployed person has to make. Some unemployed people might take that chance and take that job for $50 more a week than what they are getting in UE benefits. Then again if that unemployed person does not take that that job that pays $50 more a week than their UE benefits and that unemployed person does not find another job and the 99 weeks of UE runs out, then they will be in worse shape.

EE_
10th August 2010, 06:08 AM
Whatever happened to the rule of supply and demand?

Joe King
10th August 2010, 06:19 AM
Silver Art, the job could pay a fair amount more than UE and still not be taken.

If you figure in transportation and loosing all the free time they've gotten used to.

If, for example they're collecting $400 a week on UE and a job pays $450 a week, they're pretty much giving up 40 hours a week for $50.

Another reason people will sometimes not take a lower paying job as quickly is because if it doesn't work out and they get re-laid off from a job that pays substantially less than their last one, they'll get even less on UE than they did before.{while still having the same mortgage and other bills}
i.e. people are sometimes trying to maintain their wage earning history at a certain level and feel they can wait to lower their standards job-wise.




It is an individual decision that an unemployed person has to make. Some unemployed people might take that chance and take that job for $50 more a week than what they are getting in UE benefits. Then again if that unemployed person does not take that that job that pays $50 more a week than their UE benefits and that unemployed person does not find another job and the 99 weeks of UE runs out, then they will be in worse shape.
True, but in many cases that's what's going on and it's just a chance they'll take. {holding out for more $ job}
But the closer they get to that 99 weeks, the more likely they are to take the extra $50

Liquid
10th August 2010, 06:54 AM
Nah, i think ill wait until my next prevailing wage job starts up in OCT out in California. Yeah ill have to travel,and yeah the taxes are high but i will be netting over 1600 dollars a week.



You ain't kidding! This is what my company needs, is another prevailing wage contract. All the senior guys scoop up those jobs first, because the hourly rate is 1.5 times what we normally get.

Work for the government, it pays! Yeah, 1.5 times more for doing the same damn thing in the private industry. ;D

Very telling, imo.

Phoenix
10th August 2010, 09:21 AM
If the wages are less than what an unemployed person can get through UE, then that unemployed person will just continue stay on UE. It seems to make sense to me because why would a person who is getting UI to help pay the bills take a job that pays much less that what he is getting in UE?


In what state(s) is/are unemployment higher than full-time work?

1970 silver art
10th August 2010, 04:31 PM
If the wages are less than what an unemployed person can get through UE, then that unemployed person will just continue stay on UE. It seems to make sense to me because why would a person who is getting UI to help pay the bills take a job that pays much less that what he is getting in UE?


In what state(s) is/are unemployment higher than full-time work?


Honestly, I do not know but I was not referring to states. I was looking at it on an individual basis and not on a state-wide basis. See post #10, #11, and #12 on this thread to see the example that was given.

Phoenix
10th August 2010, 10:32 PM
If the wages are less than what an unemployed person can get through UE, then that unemployed person will just continue stay on UE. It seems to make sense to me because why would a person who is getting UI to help pay the bills take a job that pays much less that what he is getting in UE?


In what state(s) is/are unemployment higher than full-time work?


Honestly, I do not know but I was not referring to states. I was looking at it on an individual basis and not on a state-wide basis. See post #10, #11, and #12 on this thread to see the example that was given.


What I do know is that California, the Welfare State, has one of the highest pay-outs for unemployment, and people aren't making bank on it, like the Jewsmedia implies.

skid
10th August 2010, 10:45 PM
The reason this machine shop can't fill is quite simple.

They are offering 1980 wages with no medical benefits ,or any benefits for that matter.

At 13 dollars an hour minus taxes and gas to and from and you are left with 400 a week. Then take out the cost for medical insurance which currently would run someone 400 a month for a 10,000 deductible plan and you are left with 300 a month.

Gee let me pack my bags and get out to hell hole Illinois,where the taxes and gun laws are some of the worst in the nation.

Nah, i think ill wait until my next prevailing wage job starts up in OCT out in California. Yeah ill have to travel,and yeah the taxes are high but i will be netting over 1600 dollars a week.

The machine shop in Illinois can kiss this millwrights ass.




I'll certainly agree that the wages suck, especially for a skilled trade like a machinist or tool and die maker. Where I work Millwrights and other skilled trades are making $40 bucks/hr + benefits and double time ot.

mightymanx
13th August 2010, 12:54 AM
Whatever happened to the rule of supply and demand?


It was quantitatively eased out of the picture.

Argentium
13th August 2010, 06:09 PM
Mechanical Devices is a Cat Tier 1 supplier, surprising their wages are so low. But on the other hand, if they treat their employees like their suppliers, perhaps not. Oh, BTW, Mark Sperry can blow me. What a lying POS.


The reason this machine shop can't fill is quite simple.

They are offering 1980 wages with no medical benefits ,or any benefits for that matter.

At 13 dollars an hour minus taxes and gas to and from and you are left with 400 a week. Then take out the cost for medical insurance which currently would run someone 400 a month for a 10,000 deductible plan and you are left with 300 a month.

Gee let me pack my bags and get out to hell hole Illinois,where the taxes and gun laws are some of the worst in the nation.

Nah, i think ill wait until my next prevailing wage job starts up in OCT out in California. Yeah ill have to travel,and yeah the taxes are high but i will be netting over 1600 dollars a week.

The machine shop in Illinois can kiss this millwrights ass.

millwright
13th August 2010, 07:46 PM
Hey Argentium, I don't know that much about this guy Mark, but i do find your comments interesting as regards to them being a Cat Tier 1 supplier.

13.00 dollars an hour to do machine work ? This will not end well. Folks are way to leveraged up to be able to survive on that.

I could , but then im not your average Joe. I stopped playing the banksters game years ago,and i don't owe any of them a plug nickel.

I cannot believe what people are getting for wages. My neighbor was out of work for two years. He just accepted a job making 8 dollars an hour. My jaw about hit the ground.

My wife just took a full time job for the first time in 5 years. She is doing general accounting and will be making 12.50 an hour. Back in California she was making 30 an hour,but that is unheard of here in KY.But like i told her, at least she is in a controlled enviroment. Nice office etc.

For a blue collar guy working in the elements 12 dollars an hour is almost slavery.

Joe King
13th August 2010, 08:42 PM
I stopped playing the banksters game years ago,and i don't owe any of them a plug nickel.
Congratulations!
Makes ya feel real good inside, don't it? ;D