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Steal
9th August 2010, 05:59 PM
When Will Financial Armageddon Begin?
Posted: Aug 09 2010 By: Greg Hunter Post Edited: August 9, 2010 at 11:52 am
Filed under: Greg Hunter, USAWatchdog.com

Dear CIGAs,

A little more than two years ago, economist John Williams of shadowstats.com predicted a “severe recession” was coming and soon. At the time, I was working as an investigative correspondent for CNN. I interviewed Williams for a story about the coming financial crisis. Most so-called experts, at the time, did not see the financial meltdown coming, let alone that all the banks were in trouble. Williams’ assessment of the economy was spot on in 2008. I don’t see how you can characterize what we have now as anything but a “severe recession.” Accurate information is the first and foremost reason to use someone as a source when you are a journalist. In my experience, what I have gotten from Williams has been stellar. (Click here for the 2008 CNN story featuring Williams and his predictions for the President in 2012.) (Click here for shadowstats.com)

Williams also predicted 2 years ago we would have a “hyperinflationary depression” within 10 years. Then, about a year ago, he revised his prediction and narrowed the window to “five years.” The day before last Friday’s dismal jobs report, Williams said, “. . . the timing of the looming U.S. financial Armageddon is coming into better focus, with increasingly high risk of it breaking within the next six months to a year.”

“Financial Armageddon . . . within the next six months to a year.” I called Williams to see why the odds of calamity have accelerated. He told me on the phone last night, “What is happening now to bring the timing into focus is the economy IS turning down. It is no longer the perspective the economy is going to turn down. That, in turn, will eventually trigger all the problems with the dollar, the debt and the deficit.”

For confirmation the economy is rolling over, look no further than the awful jobs report from the government last Friday. The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reported July payrolls fell 131,000. To add insult to injury, the June jobs number was revised downward. The economy lost 221,000 jobs which is considerably more than the 125,000 the government reported last month.

You want more confirmation the economy is in the tank? Also, last week, the government revealed a record 40.8 million Americans are now on food stamps. More budget woes can be seen at the state level. Congress just passed an emergency aid package worth $26 billion to save teachers’ jobs around the country. States are facing $200 billion in shortfalls in the coming months. California is one of the worst, with a $40 billion budget hole to fill. Commercial and residential real estate is still losing value, and set to take another plunge.

So, what’s the government doing about the economy? The Fed has set interest rates at near 0% for more than a year and a half. The economy is not taking off. According to a recent article from financial writer Jim Willie, who has a PhD in Statistics, “Never in US history has a recession struck after several extended months of emergency ultra-low interest rates. This will be the first such occurrence. The policy response from the USFed must therefore be limited. They cannot reduce the official interest rate, unless below 0% (which did happen briefly in Japan). The nation stands on the doorstep of hyper-inflation. The only available tool within the USFed tool bag is Printing Pre$ activity, pure monetization of both USTreasurys and USAgency Mortgage Bonds.” (For the complete Willie article click here.)

How much of a chance is there the Fed will just print money to pay bills? When asked how the Fed was going to stop the slide in the economy on CNBC, St. Louis Fed President James Bullard said, “Quantitative Easing is our best bet.” For us regular folks, QE means printing money out of thin air. I talked about this in a recent post called “Money Printing Is Our Best Bet.”

How fast could things go downhill when real trouble starts? Mallory Factor at Forbes laid it out nicely in an article last week called “Collapse In Internet Time.” Factor writes, “In an age when billions of dollars in securities are traded in nanoseconds, when a 24-hour news cycle seems long, why should national decline be exempt from what the Germans call Zeitgeist, the spirit of the age? The Book of Revelation, speaking allegorically of ancient Rome, states, “Alas! Alas! You great city, you mighty city,Babylon! For in a single hour your judgment has come.” Ancient Rome surely did not expect its sudden fall any more than the Soviet Union did in 1991, or than Americadoes now.” (Click here for the complete Forbes article.)

Ultimately, the immense debt and deficits of the United States will crush the dollar. In his most recent report, Williams says, “The unfolding renewed decline in economic activity now is likely to be one of the proximal triggers for an even greater systemic solvency crisis, one that will pummel the U.S. dollar, threaten the solvency of the U.S.government and set the stage for a hyperinflation in the United States. In turn, such a crisis would exacerbate the intensifying downturn into a hyperinflationary great depression.”

No one knows exactly when the buck will buckle, but it looks like the dollar will take a short walk off a tall building a lot sooner than later.

link here (http://jsmineset.com/2010/08/09/when-will-financial-armageddon-begin/)

Rebel Yarr
9th August 2010, 06:54 PM
I listened to Williams the other day - I never knew he was so heavy on the doom before. I had just viewed his charts before I suppose.
But man, reading this, this shit is calling for the end of times!

Spectrism
9th August 2010, 07:02 PM
The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reported July payrolls fell 131,000. To add insult to injury, the June jobs number was revised downward. The economy lost 221,000 jobs which is considerably more than the 125,000 the government reported last month.

Just wait til we get the layoffs from the BP cleanup crews and the last of the census temporaries. July and August ain't gonna be pretty.

Steal
9th August 2010, 07:04 PM
I listened to Williams the other day - I never knew he was so heavy on the doom before. I had just viewed his charts before I suppose.
But man, reading this, this sh*t is calling for the end of times!


Exact same here. I just glanced at his 'numbers' to get an idea of what the real number was. Never new he was a hard core doomer. Puttin everything I read togather is dismal at best.

ximmy
9th August 2010, 11:48 PM
Just read it... scary stuff...

Hypertiger
10th August 2010, 02:52 AM
So far it's a replay of the 1929-1933 collapse...last time was the roaring 20's this time it's the roaring 6 decades.

It took 8 months back in the day to get where we currently are but this time around it's taken 30 months.

Time wise we are not out of 1930 yet and if things keep collapsing at the current rate it will be 2017 before we are in 1933.

Key sign we are not recovering...A collapse to the lows or new lows in the markets or a fall into the fall...September.

gunDriller
10th August 2010, 04:36 AM
So far it's a replay of the 1929-1933 collapse...last time was the roaring 20's this time it's the roaring 6 decades.

It took 8 months back in the day to get where we currently are but this time around it's taken 30 months.

Time wise we are not out of 1930 yet and if things keep collapsing at the current rate it will be 2017 before we are in 1933.

Key sign we are not recovering...A collapse to the lows or new lows in the markets or a fall into the fall...September.


in the 1920's the US population was about 106 million. we got 3 times that now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_United_States_Census

also the US population has a lot less access to farmland and gardening space. during previous collapses, e.g. Soviet Union, Cuba, and US Great Depression, that garden made a big difference. as a source of food, and also as something "positive" to focus on (some people use the term "agri-therapy" to describe the psychological benefits of food gardening.)

also, we now have a lot more guns per capita.

also, during the Great Depression, the US was a net exporter of oil. now we're a net importer. what happens if / when the world stops accepting dollars ? well, maybe that won't happen.

anyway, on balance, i think we were better positioned for an economic collapse, as a society, in the 1930's.

Twisted Titan
10th August 2010, 06:09 AM
So far it's a replay of the 1929-1933 collapse...last time was the roaring 20's this time it's the roaring 6 decades.

It took 8 months back in the day to get where we currently are but this time around it's taken 30 months.

Time wise we are not out of 1930 yet and if things keep collapsing at the current rate it will be 2017 before we are in 1933.

Key sign we are not recovering...A collapse to the lows or new lows in the markets or a fall into the fall...September.


in the 1920's the US population was about 106 million. we got 3 times that now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_United_States_Census

also the US population has a lot less access to farmland and gardening space. during previous collapses, e.g. Soviet Union, Cuba, and US Great Depression, that garden made a big difference. as a source of food, and also as something "positive" to focus on (some people use the term "agri-therapy" to describe the psychological benefits of food gardening.)

also, we now have a lot more guns per capita.

also, during the Great Depression, the US was a net exporter of oil. now we're a net importer. what happens if / when the world stops accepting dollars ? well, maybe that won't happen.

anyway, on balance, i think we were better positioned for an economic collapse, as a society, in the 1930's.





How the hell do you figure that with the figures you just cited???

The average person panics when the cant swipe their visa card to pic up fast food.

What do you think will happen if they have to go a more than 96 hours without creature comforts??


Our advance technology has robbed us of the abilty to think and do for ourselves and when the hammer falls that will be a FATAL lesson for many.

T

oldmansmith
10th August 2010, 06:30 AM
I think you misread him Twisty, he said we were better prepared in the 1930's, and I agree.

People say to me that "it must be a lot of work" to have a big garden and dry and can food for winter. Seems to be a lot less work than trying to find food when you are starving.

Twisted Titan
10th August 2010, 06:40 AM
I think you misread him Twisty, he said we were better prepared in the 1930's, and I agree.

People say to me that "it must be a lot of work" to have a big garden and dry and can food for winter. Seems to be a lot less work than trying to find food when you are starving.




That was a classic example of seeing what one wants to see as opposed to what is there

Good catch Master Smith

Phoenix
10th August 2010, 07:45 AM
So far it's a replay of the 1929-1933 collapse...last time was the roaring 20's this time it's the roaring 6 decades.

It took 8 months back in the day to get where we currently are but this time around it's taken 30 months.

Time wise we are not out of 1930 yet and if things keep collapsing at the current rate it will be 2017 before we are in 1933.

Key sign we are not recovering...A collapse to the lows or new lows in the markets or a fall into the fall...September.


NO MEANS OF PRODUCTION is the problem today. In the "Great" Depression, America had factories and manpower ready to go to work, enabling recovery. Now, we have manpower, but no factories.

chad
10th August 2010, 07:48 AM
you got that right.

i used to work for a major computer manufacturer. around 1999 or so, they packed up the entire assembly plant and moved it to mexico. i remember thinking, "this is not going to end well."

Joe King
10th August 2010, 08:14 AM
you got that right.

i used to work for a major computer manufacturer. around 1999 or so, they packed up the entire assembly plant and moved it to Mexico. i remember thinking, "this is not going to end well."

It's not supposed to end well. Those who set us up with our ponzi-scheme of a monetary system knew full well what it would lead to. How could they have not known?


Companies do stuff like offshoring to try to stay afloat.
As long as inflation is an intregal part of the economy, the costs of manufacturing almost anything will eventually meet or exceed the price people expect to pay for things.
All you can do is try to lower production costs and reducing labor cost is typically the easiest way for them to do that.
It's either that or go out of business or get bought up.

Remember when Curtis Mathes' was the last TV manufacturer in America and their slogan was, "the most expensive TV set in America and darn well worth it".
Didn't really work out too well for them.
Even though they tried to do the right thing and not off-shore, they went from 5,000+ employees to about 50 before filing for bankruptcy and being sold.

At some point, you just can't afford to do it here anymore.

k-os
10th August 2010, 08:22 AM
So far it's a replay of the 1929-1933 collapse...last time was the roaring 20's this time it's the roaring 6 decades.

It took 8 months back in the day to get where we currently are but this time around it's taken 30 months.

Time wise we are not out of 1930 yet and if things keep collapsing at the current rate it will be 2017 before we are in 1933.

Key sign we are not recovering...A collapse to the lows or new lows in the markets or a fall into the fall...September.


NO MEANS OF PRODUCTION is the problem today. In the "Great" Depression, America had factories and manpower ready to go to work, enabling recovery. Now, we have manpower, but no factories.


I am not even sure we have the manpower anymore. Bodies, yes. Ability and will? I don't think so. People don't really know what a hard day of work actually is (myself included). Hint: it has nothing to do with a computer.

Spectrism
10th August 2010, 08:23 AM
So far it's a replay of the 1929-1933 collapse...last time was the roaring 20's this time it's the roaring 6 decades.

It took 8 months back in the day to get where we currently are but this time around it's taken 30 months.

Time wise we are not out of 1930 yet and if things keep collapsing at the current rate it will be 2017 before we are in 1933.

Key sign we are not recovering...A collapse to the lows or new lows in the markets or a fall into the fall...September.


NO MEANS OF PRODUCTION is the problem today. In the "Great" Depression, America had factories and manpower ready to go to work, enabling recovery. Now, we have manpower, but no factories.


Yes- this has been our cost in the new global society. The purpose of the global economy is that the global elite will broker all buying and selling in a world that is interdependent for everything. This is all going as planned.

gunDriller
10th August 2010, 08:36 AM
I am not even sure we have the manpower anymore. Bodies, yes. Ability and will? I don't think so. People don't really know what a hard day of work actually is (myself included). Hint: it has nothing to do with a computer.


when i started in Silicon Valley (1980) they still had factories.

they were building electronics factories everywhere.

we did it before, we can do it again.

but it will require a massive shift in attitude. people can't work unless they get a living wage - and that means the managers have to learn to get by with less (profits).

overall, i think what the US has a shortage of is cooperation.

chad
10th August 2010, 08:44 AM
in my other life at said computer company i also witnessed what i think a huge part of the problem is: a large part of corporate compensation is paid in stocks.

this has the effect of execs only caring about the next quarter and beating the street by a penny so that the stck goes up and they can cash in. so long as you have these people being compensated by stock all they are going to care about is the next quarter's earnings.

i saw hugely bad decisions made with the sole basis being we'd make 5 cents per share and some guy would get a 3 million dollar payout.

dead precedent
10th August 2010, 11:41 AM
Ability and will?


Companies (factories) are crushing their workforces now under heavier workloads,seeing that since the downturn they have the ability to complete the production pace at or above previous capabilities...people are losing the will to work at todays paces.