Ex-Mexico president Vincente Fox calls for legalizing drugs.

[Down1]

MEXICO CITY — Former President Vicente Fox is joining with those urging his successor to legalize drugs in Mexico, saying that could break the economic power of the country's brutal drug cartels.

Fox's comments, posted Sunday on his blog, came less than a week after President Felipe Calderon agreed to open the door to discussions about the legalization of drugs, even though he stressed that he remained opposed to the idea.

Fox said places that have implemented the legalization strategy have not seen significant increases in drug use.

"We should consider legalizing the production, distribution and sale of drugs," wrote Fox, who was president from 2000 to 2006 and is a member of Calderon's conservative National Action Party. "Radical prohibition strategies have never worked."

"Legalizing in this sense does not mean drugs are good and don't harm those who consume them," he wrote. "Rather we should look at it as a strategy to strike at and break the economic structure that allows gangs to generate huge profits in their trade, which feeds corruption and increases their areas of power."

He said the government could tax the sale of legalized drugs to finance programs for reducing addiction and rehabilitating users.

Fox also called for the quick withdrawal of the military from public security work, a measure Calderon ordered when he succeeded Fox in December 2006 and stepped up a crackdown on the cartels.


In his blog, Fox harshly criticized rampant drug violence, writing that "the first responsibility of a government is to provide security for the people and their possessions ... today, we find that, unfortunately, the Mexican government is not complying with that responsibility."
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The current moron in charge down there is against this.
It is good to see a heavyweight come out and say this.

[Fortyone]

He is probably losing his cut. While Im for legalization,these "cartels " are about taking over Mexico,not just making money.These guys already have money, legalization wont stop the violence.

[oldmansmith]

Of course legalization won't work. Look at all the crime families killing each other over alcohol.

[gunny highway]

Of course legalization won't work. Look at all the crime families killing each other over alcohol.


:ROFL:

[Fortyone]

Of course legalization won't work. Look at all the crime families killing each other over alcohol.


pretty narrow thinking. People want money for what? Think all these fools are going to retire to their villas if dope is legal? No, they still want to control the country. Read Mexican history, they have had this many times Drugs are just a different way for the same old types to buy their weapons, take another hit.

[Olmstein]

Of course legalization won't work. Look at all the crime families killing each other over alcohol.


pretty narrow thinking. People want money for what? Think all these fools are going to retire to their villas if dope is legal? No, they still want to control the country. Read Mexican history, they have had this many times Drugs are just a different way for the same old types to buy their weapons, take another hit.


Many of the current druglords will become captains of the new legal drug industry. Some will retire to their villas, some will lose their villas to because they no longer have the income to support themselves.

Once drugs are legalized, the black market premium goes away and prices fall to a level that doesn't support violence.

The violence is over the big money to be made in the illegal drug trade.

You seem to support the state against the people and freedom.

Is that your position?

[Fortyone]

Of course legalization won't work. Look at all the crime families killing each other over alcohol.


pretty narrow thinking. People want money for what? Think all these fools are going to retire to their villas if dope is legal? No, they still want to control the country. Read Mexican history, they have had this many times Drugs are just a different way for the same old types to buy their weapons, take another hit.


Many of the current druglords will become captains of the new legal drug industry. Some will retire to their villas, some will lose their villas to because they no longer have the income to support themselves.

Once drugs are legalized, the black market premium goes away and prices fall to a level that doesn't support violence.

The violence is over the big money to be made in the illegal drug trade.

You seem to support the state against the people and freedom.

Is that your position?



I support order over chaos.This has nothing to do with freedom.These cartels arent going to go legit and have a festiva. They are trying to Partition the country,.Dont you guys see this?

[Olmstein]

I support order over chaos.This has nothing to do with freedom.These cartels arent going to go legit and have a festiva. They are trying to Partition the country,.Dont you guys see this?


The chaos is the result of prohibition, although you don't seem to understand.

Your statement "I support order...", sounds to me like "I support the state". You should do some serious thinking about what freedom and liberty really mean.

[FunnyMoney]

I support order over chaos.This has nothing to do with freedom.These cartels arent going to go legit and have a festiva. They are trying to Partition the country,.Dont you guys see this?


The chaos is the result of prohibition, although you don't seem to understand.

Your statement "I support order...", sounds to me like "I support the state". You should do some serious thinking about what freedom and liberty really mean.


Of course you are correct Olmstein.

But one thing to remember, that no matter how huge an issue this is, it is still a symptom issue and is still tiny compared to the root cause issues.

The central bank of Mexico and those individuals who extract monstrous power and wealth via centralized control mechanisms only get stronger, regardless of how this symptom issue plays out.

If MJ is legalized in Calif. and drugs in general in Mex. (unlikely), there will very likely be a large reduction in violent low and mid level crime (a good thing). But in the end, when the root is corrupt through and through, when every debate and problem is framed entirely within the realm of the matrix, in the end the biggest of criminals will still carry on pretty much the same as ever.

[Fortyone]

I support order over chaos.This has nothing to do with freedom.These cartels arent going to go legit and have a festiva. They are trying to Partition the country,.Dont you guys see this?


The chaos is the result of prohibition, although you don't seem to understand.

Your statement "I support order...", sounds to me like "I support the state". You should do some serious thinking about what freedom and liberty really mean.


I support order. You cannot have individual freedoms without some sort of order to protect your rights.Unless you figure Somalia is a free country where Khat stoned folks blow the shit out of one another all day.

[zap]

If they did legalize drugs you would have everyone and their brother cooking crack, crank etc....

If you lived in a subdivision that would be scary.....

[Fortyone]

If they did legalize drugs you would have everyone and their brother cooking crack, crank etc....

If you lived in a subdivision that would be scary.....





I dont have a problem with someone smoking a little weed or growing a few poppies. But lets get real here, One persons "freedom" ends where it infringes on mine. Some people are delusional if they think these revolutionaries are going to go bankrupt and quit killing just because El Presidente legalizes dope. They want the country, Its about power.

[MAGNES]

Of course legalization won't work. Look at all the crime families killing each other over alcohol.


pretty narrow thinking. People want money for what? Think all these fools are going to retire to their villas if dope is legal? No, they still want to control the country. Read Mexican history, they have had this many times Drugs are just a different way for the same old types to buy their weapons, take another hit.


Many of the current druglords will become captains of the new legal drug industry. Some will retire to their villas, some will lose their villas to because they no longer have the income to support themselves.

Once drugs are legalized, the black market premium goes away and prices fall to a level that doesn't support violence.

The violence is over the big money to be made in the illegal drug trade.

You seem to support the state against the people and freedom.

Is that your position?


The war on drugs, the war on terror, promoted by the same criminals that seek to build a police state.

Apply your reasoning on a higher level, there would be no war in Afghanistan and against the Serbs.

No police state apparatus being built up.

I was never for legalization till I understood all of this.

Which is why there will never be legalization anytime soon.

The control masters profit in many ways, not just drug profits.

Sibel Edmonds, drugs is a huge part of the "wars", "it is all the same people."
Almost all major crimes connected.

A lot of stupid people would get messed up though.
Especially if heroin is pushed on society like the UK pushed
it on China. In the '90's they got the Russians drunk,
cheap vodka in all your troubles, I believe it was deliberate
policy.

Legalizing weed may hurt demand for harder drugs.
Doubt they will do it.

[FunnyMoney]

This thread is a fantastic example of matrix theory and why you simply can't debate the symptom issues with any hope of coming out ahead.

Pretty much every post on this thread has a whole lot of good truth to it, even though many contradict each other. The debate simply goes around in an endless circle, and that is the way it is supposed to when framed inside the matrix.

This reminds me of a thread about RP's position on the new Arizona law regarding illegals. Many pointed to RP's comments and said he supported it when asked about it.
But when you watched the 5 min talk where he was asked about it, he spent the entire time not actually saying he supported it but trying to get people to step out of the matrix and understand you would have never needed the law to begin with if you could simply roll back the tax/spend/welfare/super nanny/control freak govt society.

This issue is the same way. If you could roll back the corrupt centralized money/power system the people would have the free time to see to their own communities and the whole world wouldn't be so constantly injured by all the downstream problems that result by way of govts and PTB agendas.

Get rid of taxes and fiat money and all the problems begin to find solutions that will actually start to work. But as long as the debate is framed in such a way that "debating and treating the symptoms" is where to focus, then problems will simply continue to fester.

[Joe King]

This thread is a fantastic example of matrix theory and why you simply can't debate the symptom issues with any hope of coming out ahead.

Pretty much every post on this thread has a whole lot of good truth to it, even though many contradict each other. The debate simply goes around in an endless circle, and that is the way it is supposed to when framed inside the matrix.

This reminds me of a thread about RP's position on the new Arizona law regarding illegals. Many pointed to RP's comments and said he supported it when asked about it.
But when you watched the 5 min talk where he was asked about it, he spent the entire time not actually saying he supported it but trying to get people to step out of the matrix and understand you would have never needed the law to begin with if you could simply roll back the tax/spend/welfare/super nanny/control freak govt society.

This issue is the same way. If you could roll back the corrupt centralized money/power system the people would have the free time to see to their own communities and the whole world wouldn't be so constantly injured by all the downstream problems that result by way of govts and PTB agendas.

Get rid of taxes and fiat money and all the problems begin to find solutions that will actually start to work. But as long as the debate is framed in such a way that "debating and treating the symptoms" is where to focus, then problems will simply continue to fester.


But if we do that, what will become of all the people who set this fine system up for us?
They'll starve.

[FunnyMoney]

But if we do that, what will become of all the people who set this fine system up for us?
They'll starve.


They've accumulated enough fat. Enough to last a thousand years is my guess. They can live off of that. Once that's gone they can get a job as a forum moderator.

[Olmstein]

If they did legalize drugs you would have everyone and their brother cooking crack, crank etc....

If you lived in a subdivision that would be scary.....




Does everyone in your neighborhood have a still? Or do those who wish to self medicate with alcohol buy their drugs from professionals?

Same thing will happen when prohibition ends. Ending prohibition will actually make your neighborhood safer by removing the incentive for your neighbors to cook meth. It will all be cooked at a large industrial meth lab in an industrial area.