July 27, 2010 - Pilot Films Plane Spraying Chemtrails - WOW

[General of Darkness]

You can see it start and stop.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q28dQaaLQGQ&feature=related

[Ponce]

If that video had been shot here in the state the follower plane would had been shot down.......

[StackerKen]

Those are Not nozzels
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[BrewTech]

Those are Not nozzels
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No? Lights?

[Joe King]

I'd like to know what elevation they're flying at, and if elevation changed during the flight and what was the humidity at that elevation?
Also, the duration between the edited shots would be nice to know.

One thing I noticed in the vid was a comment that it seemed to be coming off the top of the wing. But the so-called nozzles were on the bottom.
How's that work?

I'm not a pilot, {so correct me if I'm wrong} but if it's condensation, wouldn't it appear to come off the top of the wing?
Isn't there a pressure change on top of the wing while in flight?
Yea? No?

I know I've seen contrails behind prop driven planes before, so it doesn't just come as a result of jet exhaust.

[Nitz]

I'd like to know what elevation they're flying at, and if elevation changed during the flight and what was the humidity at that elevation?
Also, the duration between the edited shots would be nice to know.

One thing I noticed in the vid was a comment that it seemed to be coming off the top of the wing. But the so-called nozzles were on the bottom.
How's that work?

I'm not a pilot, {so correct me if I'm wrong} but if it's condensation, wouldn't it appear to come off the top of the wing?
Isn't there a pressure change on top of the wing while in flight?
Yea? No?

I know I've seen contrails behind prop driven planes before, so it doesn't just come as a result of jet exhaust.


Man, the engineering of "debunking" is one of the most successful psychological programs ever. You are actually trying to believe what your eyes see...as a LAST RESORT :o

[Bullion_Bob]

The entire plane would have to be one big gas tank of "spray" to emit that much liquid. They would have to have fleets of these types of planes somewhere, no seats, no passengers, just one big spray tank.

Or perhaps it's distributed in the fuel, but then the plane needs fuel to fly, so where are they storing all this liquid to spray?

It's probably the plane cutting through water vapor in the air and condensing it. Pockets of air are widely known to be warmer/cooler....more humid/less humid.

[General of Darkness]

The entire plane would have to be one big gas tank of "spray" to emit that much liquid. They would have to have fleets of these types of planes somewhere, no seats, no passengers, just one big spray tank.

Or perhaps it's distributed in the fuel, but then the plane needs fuel to fly, so where are they storing all this liquid to spray?

It's probably the plane cutting through water vapor in the air and condensing it. Pockets of air are widely known to be warmer/cooler....more humid/less humid.


Come on BB, did you watch the video? It turns on and off then back on.

[Horn]

The entire plane would have to be one big gas tank of "spray" to emit that much liquid. They would have to have fleets of these types of planes somewhere, no seats, no passengers, just one big spray tank.

Or perhaps it's distributed in the fuel, but then the plane needs fuel to fly, so where are they storing all this liquid to spray?

It's probably the plane cutting through water vapor in the air and condensing it. Pockets of air are widely known to be warmer/cooler....more humid/less humid.


It is a tanker, and there are fleets...

http://gold-silver.us/forum/conspiracy-theories/chemtrails-morgellons-syndrome-primer-latest-news/msg84664/#msg84664

[StackerKen]

Those are Not nozzels
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No? Lights?


Im not exactly sure what they are called.......I think they are stabilizers

See this toy DC-10 has them


http://www.wings900.com/vb/attachments/forum1/11967d1258985451-ual_dc10-10.jpg

[Olmstein]

The entire plane would have to be one big gas tank of "spray" to emit that much liquid. They would have to have fleets of these types of planes somewhere, no seats, no passengers, just one big spray tank.

Or perhaps it's distributed in the fuel, but then the plane needs fuel to fly, so where are they storing all this liquid to spray?

It's probably the plane cutting through water vapor in the air and condensing it. Pockets of air are widely known to be warmer/cooler....more humid/less humid.


Come on BB, did you watch the video? It turns on and off then back on.


I watched the video. The plane was climbing and went through a layer of air with a lot of water vapor, then climbed into a dry layer.

I know you're an F1 fan. Haven't you ever seen the same effect on the wings of F1 cars? Are F1 teams spraying chemicals into the air? Or is is just that the wings compress the humid air soquickly that it creates tiny visible "clouds"?

[boogietillyapuke]

Those are Not nozzels
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No? Lights?


Im not exactly sure what they are called.......I think they are stabilizers

See this toy DC-10 has them


http://www.wings900.com/vb/attachments/forum1/11967d1258985451-ual_dc10-10.jpg


They're the hinge point for the flaps and also contain most likely the flap actuator
jackscrew assemblies too.

[Joe King]

I'd like to know what elevation they're flying at, and if elevation changed during the flight and what was the humidity at that elevation?
Also, the duration between the edited shots would be nice to know.

One thing I noticed in the vid was a comment that it seemed to be coming off the top of the wing. But the so-called nozzles were on the bottom.
How's that work?

I'm not a pilot, {so correct me if I'm wrong} but if it's condensation, wouldn't it appear to come off the top of the wing?
Isn't there a pressure change on top of the wing while in flight?
Yea? No?

I know I've seen contrails behind prop driven planes before, so it doesn't just come as a result of jet exhaust.


Man, the engineering of "debunking" is one of the most successful psychological programs ever. You are actually trying to believe what your eyes see...as a LAST RESORT :o
Sorry, that wasn't a "debunking" I posted, but rather just some reasonable questions based upon the evidence as presented, rather than simply believing what someone else tells me what I'm seeing.

Believe me, I fully realize the type of things the gov is capable of.
Plutonium spoon fed to disabled children and injected it directly into people. (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&client=hp&rlz=1W1ADFA_en&q=Plutonium+Files%3A+America%27s+Secret+Medical+Ex periments+in+the+Cold+War&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=Plutonium+Files%3A+America%27s+Secret+Medical+E xperiments+in+the+Cold+War&gs_rfai=&fp=9f00f69744559392) Not to mention allowing a group of men to live their whole lives with Syphilis just to see what happened to them. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment)

So I wouldn't doubt they'd spray something in the air if they wanted to.

However, while interesting, this video doesn't prove that they are.

IMO, everyone needs to try being more objective, because if you're not and you go around spreading false or unprovable things in order to try to "awaken" others, all they'll really end up doing is ignoring you in the future.
i.e. stick to what you can prove.

[StackerKen]

thanks Boogie :)

Good post Joe.

I would not put anything past this government and TPTB.
I have no doubt there is nothing they wouldn't do.

But I agree that this Video proves nothing

[Phoenix]

I know I've seen contrails behind prop driven planes before, so it doesn't just come as a result of jet exhaust.


Piston or gas turbine (turboprop)?

[Joe King]

I know I've seen contrails behind prop driven planes before, so it doesn't just come as a result of jet exhaust.


Piston or gas turbine (turboprop)?
I should have said I've seen pictures of that (http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/), and I don't know the answer to your question, but take a look and tell me what kind you think they are, ok?

:)

[Phoenix]

Those are Not nozzels
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Uh, yes, they are.

That is a KC-10 Extender, dual-purpose cargo and air-refueling plane. It has nozzles to dump fuel should the need or training desire arise. These huge aircraft are heavy empty, and much heavier loaded. Without the ability to dump fuel, the landing gear could fail, and result in a massive fireball once the extra fuel ignites.

What we don't know is what liquid is being sprayed. I suspect JP-8 - standard military kerosene jet fuel.

That being said, chemtrails are real to anyone who opens their mind and eyes and watches the sky. Contrails do not persist for hours, nor do they result in heavy-metal-laden residue descending onto things on the ground.

[Phoenix]

Continental Airlines 767 has to return to Heathrow, and dumps fuel to make for a safer landing:

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Boeing_767-300-Airline_Continental_Airlines_Aviation_Video-7178.html

Nozzles open about 2:00 minutes in.

[Glass]

You know they are capable of doing it. They did it in Vietnam. They admit they weather modify and cloud seed. Cloud seeding is done using what?

You know there are tanker planes which are nothing more than big freaking tanks. You know this because they refuel in mid air.

[Phoenix]

I know I've seen contrails behind prop driven planes before, so it doesn't just come as a result of jet exhaust.


Piston or gas turbine (turboprop)?
I should have said I've seen pictures of that (http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/), and I don't know the answer to your question, but take a look and tell me what kind you think they are, ok?

:)



Those are radial piston engines on B-17s. We don't know how long those contrails lasted, so the photos are non-evidence against chemtrails.

[Joe King]

I know I've seen contrails behind prop driven planes before, so it doesn't just come as a result of jet exhaust.


Piston or gas turbine (turboprop)?
I should have said I've seen pictures of that (http://contrailscience.com/some-more-wwii-contrails/), and I don't know the answer to your question, but take a look and tell me what kind you think they are, ok?

:)



Those are radial piston engines on B-17s. We don't know how long those contrails lasted, so the photos are non-evidence against chemtrails.
IMO, if you were flying behind those B-17's, the contrails would look the same as those in the OP's video.
i.e. we have no way of knowing how long they lasted, either.

And for all we know, the plane the video was shot from could have been making it's own contrails just like the KC-10 did.


Also take a look at these pics from WWII. Seems they can last for a good while.
http://depletedcranium.com/the-realities-of-contrails/

This pic demonstrates the difference in altitude. Notice some planes leaving thick white contrails, while others at lower altitude leave none at all.
http://www.afhra.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/080306-f-3927A-055.jpg
....but a lot of people, if seeing that today, would say "chemtrails".

[BrewTech]

Contrails don't last for a good long while when generated at less that 10,000 feet on a hot summer day in SoCal.

They don't turn the entire sky hazy in a matter of an hour and a half.

I'll believe my eyes and common sense, TYVM.

[JDRock]

I'd like to know what elevation they're flying at, and if elevation changed during the flight and what was the humidity at that elevation?
Also, the duration between the edited shots would be nice to know.

One thing I noticed in the vid was a comment that it seemed to be coming off the top of the wing. But the so-called nozzles were on the bottom.
How's that work?

I'm not a pilot, {so correct me if I'm wrong} but if it's condensation, wouldn't it appear to come off the top of the wing?
Isn't there a pressure change on top of the wing while in flight?
Yea? No?

I know I've seen contrails behind prop driven planes before, so it doesn't just come as a result of jet exhaust.


Man, the engineering of "debunking" is one of the most successful psychological programs ever. You are actually trying to believe what your eyes see...as a LAST RESORT :o


its halo's MO ;)

[StackerKen]

Im glad they don't spray chemtrails here in central Ca.

[Phoenix]

Im glad they don't spray chemtrails here in central Ca.


You're kidding, right?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mhuL6lHoYw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7VxWR2LBUE

[StackerKen]

Phoenix those planes are at 30 thousand feet.

Those are vapor trails

[Joe King]

Phoenix those planes are at 30 thousand feet.

Those are vapor trails
Yep.
And it doesn't even have to be at altitude, either.
All it takes is the right atmospheric conditions, at any altitude.

Look at this plane that's on the ground.
Prop tip condensation.

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

What? Serious?

Show me in what universe vapor hangs around for hours and spreads across the sky making a haze. Vapor evaporates as is evidenced when you see an actual contrail..

I might listen to your vapor argument if these chemtrails weren't showing up in the dry desert.

Not to mention that the chemtrail phenomena really started to show up in the late 90s. Did planes only emit vapor since then?

[StackerKen]

What? Serious?

Show me in what universe vapor hangs around for hours and spreads across the sky making a haze. Vapor evaporates as is evidenced when you see an actual contrail..

I might listen to your vapor argument if these chemtrails weren't showing up in the dry desert.

Not to mention that the chemtrail phenomena really started to show up in the late 90s. Did planes only emit vapor since then?







Vapor in the desert

http://infranetlab.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/08_12_01_cloud_seeding021.jpg


Hundreds more pics here

http://www.google.com/images?q=clouds%20in%20the%20desert&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=991&bih=630

[Phoenix]

Phoenix those planes are at 30 thousand feet.

Those are vapor trails


Do you really believe that? Can you recall from your child hood any "contrails" that lasted all day, and disbursed over a wide area as visible patterns? I sure don't, and I'm significantly younger than you. I LOVED airplanes growing up, and studied them (seriously, in books at the Galt library, from 1977-1984). I'm from the Lodi area, BTW.

[Phoenix]

What? Serious?

Show me in what universe vapor hangs around for hours and spreads across the sky making a haze. Vapor evaporates as is evidenced when you see an actual contrail..

I might listen to your vapor argument if these chemtrails weren't showing up in the dry desert.

Not to mention that the chemtrail phenomena really started to show up in the late 90s. Did planes only emit vapor since then?







Vapor in the desert

http://infranetlab.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/08_12_01_cloud_seeding021.jpg


Hundreds more pics here

http://www.google.com/images?q=clouds%20in%20the%20desert&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=991&bih=630


Those are identifiable by any schoolkid as CLOUDS, not "contrails" / chemtrails.

Do you want to deny what you know you see because the implications are too frightening for you? That the US Government is aiming to DESTROY people?

[Joe King]

Clouds are water vapor.

[StackerKen]

Phoenix those planes are at 30 thousand feet.

Those are vapor trails


Do you really believe that? Can you recall from your child hood any "contrails" that lasted all day, and disbursed over a wide area as visible patterns? I sure don't, and I'm significantly younger than you. I LOVED airplanes growing up, and studied them (seriously, in books at the Galt library, from 1977-1984). I'm from the Lodi area, BTW.


I think I do remember seeing contrails that lasted when I was a kid.


I am not the slightest bit frightened Phoenix....Really Im not.


Spraying Chem trails 30k feet in the air over the desert really doesn't make sense to me.

None of it makes any sense to me. If "they" want to poison us...
There are lots of easier ways of doing it.

Why not just poison the water?...oh yeah...Fluoride

ok

Why not just poison the food?....Oh yeah...MSG, Aspartame and FCS

ok well...I guess they are trying to kill us...


Im still not worried or frightened.... :oo-->

I didn't wanna live in this body forever anyhow.

[StackerKen]

Clouds are water vapor.




Exactly :)


thank you

[Joe King]

You're welcome Ken.

Personally, if I wanted to try to "prove" the existence of "chem"trails, rather than speculating about it for many years, I'd just take a plane up there to get a sample of the whatever it is, and have it analyzed.

Why hasn't anyone done that yet?

Surely someone out there who is skeptical has access to a plane. Especially after all these years of talking about them.


And I'm not saying that they are absolutely not "spraying" something. Just that the evidence some people want you to believe is not based upon sound scientific research. It's based on, "you have to believe me because that's what I think it is".
It's all speculation based upon what people think they know.

[StackerKen]

You're welcome Ken.

Personally, if I wanted to try to "prove" the existence of "chem"trails, rather than speculating about it for many years, I'd just take a plane up there to get a sample of the whatever it is, and have it analyzed.

Why hasn't anyone done that yet?

Surely someone out there who is skeptical has access to a plane. Especially after all these years of talking about them.


And I'm not saying that they are absolutely not "spraying" something. Just that the evidence some people want you to believe is not based upon sound scientific research. It's based on, "you have to believe me because that's what I think it is".
It's all speculation based upon what people think they know.






Great question Joe


You know Joe I was thinking the same thing...They could video tape them selfs collecting samples in the sky then have the samples analyzed

[Joe King]

Yep. Those guys who made the video in the OP could probably do it if they wanted to.

[Phoenix]

I am not the slightest bit frightened Phoenix....Really Im not.


It doesn't frighten you that the US regime is poisoning your grandchildren?




Spraying Chem trails 30k feet in the air over the desert really doesn't make sense to me.


Most of the chemtrails are over populated areas.

[Phoenix]

You're welcome Ken.

Personally, if I wanted to try to "prove" the existence of "chem"trails, rather than speculating about it for many years, I'd just take a plane up there to get a sample of the whatever it is, and have it analyzed.

Why hasn't anyone done that yet?


Are you truly ignorant of the facts, or do you have an agenda to actively deny chemtrails?

http://www.carnicom.com/ (Sampling & Analysis drop-down menu)

There's plenty more out there.

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

Clouds are water vapor.




Exactly :)


thank you



Water vapor is the gaseous form of water in the atmosphere. Clouds are suspensions of condensation from water vapor and precipitation is the fallout of water or ice crystals from the atmosphere (Britannica Online, 1997).


What we are seeing coming out of these planes is not H20. Just take a moment and just look at them next time they are covering your area. You will notice that within minutes, they spread across the sky and blend in with the clouds. When a chemtrail crosses near the sun, you will see a chemical rainbow composition.


Personally, if I wanted to try to "prove" the existence of "chem"trails, rather than speculating about it for many years, I'd just take a plane up there to get a sample of the whatever it is, and have it analyzed.



There have been many samples taken and they didn't have to take a plane up. They just waited for the fallout and collected it from the ground. This is happening all over the world. The ingredient most found is barium. This has been covered extensively for years.

If you can find a personal photo from say, the 80s, showing these "persistent contrails" in these checkerboard patterns that are commonplace today, I have three silver dimes for you.

[boogietillyapuke]

Those are Not nozzels
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Uh, yes, they are.

That is a KC-10 Extender, dual-purpose cargo and air-refueling plane. It has nozzles to dump fuel should the need or training desire arise. These huge aircraft are heavy empty, and much heavier loaded. Without the ability to dump fuel, the landing gear could fail, and result in a massive fireball once the extra fuel ignites.

What we don't know is what liquid is being sprayed. I suspect JP-8 - standard military kerosene jet fuel.

That being said, chemtrails are real to anyone who opens their mind and eyes and watches the sky. Contrails do not persist for hours, nor do they result in heavy-metal-laden residue descending onto things on the ground.


Uhhh, no they're not.
The overboard plumbing for the fuel dump system in the little model pic that Ken posted is visible outboard of the fairings that cover the flap hardware, and in the video of the airliner doing the dump it is even more obvious where the overboard dump system is. Do you see fuel comimg from the flap fairings?

The First video with all the circles and arrows, and the paragraph on the back explaining each one, :plll saying that they're all nozzles........... is pure sensationalism.

[Phoenix]

Uhhh, no they're not.


So you would have us believe that the trails coming off the aircraft is all "water vapor"?

::)

[boogietillyapuke]

Uhhh, no they're not.


So you would have us believe that the trails coming off the aircraft is all "water vapor"?

::)
You are free to "believe" what you choose.

You stated that they were nozzles, "opinion".

I stated that they "all" were not, fact. :oo-->

[Joe King]

You're welcome Ken.

Personally, if I wanted to try to "prove" the existence of "chem"trails, rather than speculating about it for many years, I'd just take a plane up there to get a sample of the whatever it is, and have it analyzed.

Why hasn't anyone done that yet?


Are you truly ignorant of the facts, or do you have an agenda to actively deny chemtrails?

http://www.carnicom.com/ (Sampling & Analysis drop-down menu)

There's plenty more out there.


This? http://www.carnicom.com/model1.htm

After reading that, I have to question their assumption that all contrails will quickly dissipate. {in under 2 minutes}
Because they don't. {sometimes yes, but not always}
Sometimes they don't even form.

Which is the same for clouds.

I can remember in my youth seeing planes that had long contrails that lasted for a long time, some that had short contrails and some that had no contrails. How long they last depends upon atmospheric conditions at the altitude of the plane.
i.e. there is no set amount of time they must disappear within in order to actually be a contrail.

By beginning their assessment of the situation using a hard-fast rule that contrails cannot possibly last more than 120 seconds, throws their whole equation out of whack.

Haven't you ever watched clouds come into existence, and/or watched them dissipate back into clear sky? What is it that determines how long they last?
How long clouds last is a function of atmospheric conditions at that time and that altitude.
Same goes for contrails.

Also, if they were "spraying" anything other than water vapor, it would dilute into the atmosphere.
Just like a smoke stack billowing out smoke does.
i.e. it looks thick at first, but the further away from the source it gets the more it dilutes into the air 'til its hardly visible at all.

Why don't these chemtrails do that instead of just holding together like a cloud does? Chemtrails aren't water vapor, right?

Water vapor form into clouds, they'll exist until such time that atmospheric conditions aren't conducive to cloud formation.
Same with a contrail.


I will say that I see more contrails now than I did in my youth, but there are lots more planes flying now then there was back then.
i.e. there's just more of them for us to notice now. So people do notice them more often.

[Cebu_4_2]

Okay people, this is all fake, it is made available for you awareness due to the internets availability. You see what you believe, please stop looking for it and it will stop.

No im not physcho just realist, please just try.

[Joe King]

Clouds are water vapor.




Exactly :)


thank you



Water vapor is the gaseous form of water in the atmosphere. Clouds are suspensions of condensation from water vapor and precipitation is the fallout of water or ice crystals from the atmosphere (Britannica Online, 1997). I'll buy that definition.



What we are seeing coming out of these planes is not H20. Just take a moment and just look at them next time they are covering your area. You will notice that within minutes, they spread across the sky and blend in with the clouds. When a chemtrail crosses near the sun, you will see a chemical rainbow composition.So you're saying that Sunlight refracting through water {i.e. a rainbow effect} is proof that it's not water? Then how do rainbows form?

Personally, I'd say the "rainbow effect" you speak of has much more to do with the angle of the Sunlight on the contrail relative to the observer than it does to anything else.



Personally, if I wanted to try to "prove" the existence of "chem"trails, rather than speculating about it for many years, I'd just take a plane up there to get a sample of the whatever it is, and have it analyzed.



There have been many samples taken and they didn't have to take a plane up. They just waited for the fallout and collected it from the ground. This is happening all over the world. The ingredient most found is barium. This has been covered extensively for years.
If you wait for it to come down, how can you prove the source?
Pollution has been falling out of the sky since the start of the Industrial Revolution, which was prior to airplanes.
So how do you know that what those samples collected on the ground contained didn't come from good ol' run-of-the-mill pollution?

Besides, I thought that the whole point to chemtrails was that they spread out and persist in the atmosphere at altitude? Now you say they fall to Earth?
Which is it?




If you can find a personal photo from say, the 80s, showing these "persistent contrails" in these checkerboard patterns that are commonplace today, I have three silver dimes for you.

I remember them from before then.
But I have to say that I wasn't worried about them so much that I went around taking pictures of them.
Besides, back then each pic you took cost $, so you didn't generally take photos the way people do now. {of anything and everything}

I don't need your dimes, but thanks anyways for the offer.