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Phoenix
13th August 2010, 07:25 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/12/pat-tillmans-father-to-ar_n_680128.html

Pat Tillman's Father To Army Investigator: 'F--- You... And Yours' (EXCLUSIVE)

First Posted: 08-12-10 01:04 PM | Updated: 08-12-10 03:14 PM

There always was a dark cinematic thread to the story of Pat Tillman: the football star imbued with post-9/11 patriotism who was killed in a friendly-fire incident in the Afghan mountains and the allegations of a massive bureaucratic cover-up involving the highest levels of the U.S. Army in the wake of the tragedy.

So it wasn't terribly shocking when word broke this past winter that "The Tillman Story," a documentary film, was being purchased by the powerhouse Weinstein Company. The story, even without a director applying his artistic license to the script, obviously had many elements of a political thriller.

As the release date approaches -- the film will premiere in Los Angeles and New York on August 20 -- those elements are becoming a bit clearer and more intriguing. The Weinstein Company sent the Huffington Post two previously unseen letters written by Tillman's father at the peak of frustration with the army's investigation into his son's death. The notes, penned to Brigadier General Gary M. Jones (the man spearheading the investigation) as well as the Senate Armed Services Committee (which oversaw Jones's work), paint a picture of a man increasingly convinced that a massive conspiracy was emerging around the death of his son.

"You are a General," Tillman's father writes Jones after being presented with a briefing book of his findings. "There is no way a man like you, with your intelligence, education, military, experience, responsibilities (primarily for difficult situations), and rank... believes the conclusions reached in the March 31, 2005 Briefing Book. But your signature is on it. I assume, therefore, that you are part of this shameless bullshit. I embarrassed myself by treating you with respect [on] March 31, 2005. I thought your rank deserved it and anticipated something different from the new and improved investigation. I won't act so hypocritically if we meet again."

"In sum: Fuck you... and yours."

The two letters are worth a read, if only for the insight they provide into how haphazard and mismanaged (deliberately or not) the investigations were. Tillman's father comes off as emotional, for good reason. But the questions he raised -- while conspiratorial in tone -- offer compelling drama (both real life and for the upcoming movie). Take, for instance, the notion that the shooters of his son may have been blinded by the glare of the sunset.

"The shooters were always looking North or Northwest," Tillman's father writes. "Even in Afghanistan, the sun sets in the West - Southwest. How on God's green earth can you add in a "glare factor" looking away from the sun that has set? (P-16) Immediately after the sunset , facing the wrong direction (North vs. Southwest), the glare impaired their vision? Don't you need sun to have glare?"

By the spring of 2007, indeed, evidence emerged that some of Pat Tillman senior's larger fears were driven not by emotion-driven conspiracy theories but by legitimate holes in the Army's story.

READ the letter:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/50044886/tillmanletter

horseshoe3
13th August 2010, 08:08 AM
"The shooters were always looking North or Northwest," Tillman's father writes. "Even in Afghanistan, the sun sets in the West - Southwest. How on God's green earth can you add in a "glare factor" looking away from the sun that has set?


Conventional wisdom would tell you that the sun sets in the southwest in the northern temperate zone. Simple observation will prove otherwise. For a good part of the year, the sun sets in the northwest. This is because it "wraps around" the globe so to speak and even though the incident angle is soulth of you, the sun appears to be to the north. Also the reason the sun never sets for several days above the artic circle in the summer.

As for the glare after sunset. I've seen glare many times after the sun had technically set. There is enough refraction through the atmosphere for at least a half hour to cause trouble.

SHTF2010
13th August 2010, 08:36 AM
R.I.P. Pat Tillman

http://www.veteransvillage.org/images/pat_tillman_1_.gif

Still Barbaro
13th August 2010, 10:28 AM
I dont' watch movies, but I want to see the movie on Tillman being released.

Has anyone read the book(s) about him.

I am only interested because of the shameful coverup by the military - once again.

General of Darkness
13th August 2010, 10:32 AM
When you got a multicultural army, where you give 80 IQ retards fully auto weapons things like this are bound to happen.

Still Barbaro
13th August 2010, 10:51 AM
When you got a multicultural army, where you give 80 IQ retards fully auto weapons things like this are bound to happen.


I started researching the mlitary as an organization more closely as the Iraq invasion (2003) was coming up.

I'd read about the Gulf of Tonkin in VN, and other things. And these things have involved civilian leaders who pull the strings on the mlitary.

But the military is a large bureaucracy, and speaking only for myself, I'd never trust leaders of the military from Chariman of the Join Chiefs of Staff and anyone down the line.

The US military often screw their own as much as the civilians in the foreign country they are interfering in.

Phoenix
13th August 2010, 12:12 PM
When you got a multicultural army, where you give 80 IQ retards fully auto weapons things like this are bound to happen.


That is true, but I'm convinced Tillman was "neutralized" because of his potential to turn the public against the war. He knew he had been had, and due to his fame, if he started speaking out, Cheney-Bush would have had a "problem" on their hands.