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PatColo
13th August 2010, 10:09 AM
Always chuckle when bankster/minions squawk about "borrower morality" :D


Debts Rise, and Go Unpaid, as Bust Erodes Home Equity (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/12/business/12debt.html?_r=1)

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Shawn Schlegel, shown in front of a house he lost to foreclosure in Maricopa, Ariz., is in default on a $94,873 home equity loan.

By DAVID STREITFELD
Published: August 11, 2010

PHOENIX — During the great housing boom, homeowners nationwide borrowed a trillion dollars from banks, using the soaring value of their houses as security. Now the money has been spent and struggling borrowers are unable or unwilling to pay it back.

The delinquency rate on home equity loans is higher than all other types of consumer loans, including auto loans, boat loans, personal loans and even bank cards like Visa and MasterCard, according to the American Bankers Association.

Lenders say they are trying to recover some of that money but their success has been limited, in part because so many borrowers threaten bankruptcy and because the value of the homes, the collateral backing the loans, has often disappeared.

The result is one of the paradoxes of the recession: the more money you borrowed, the less likely you will have to pay up.

“When houses were doubling in value, mom and pop making $80,000 a year were taking out $300,000 home equity loans for new cars and boats,” said Christopher A. Combs, a real estate lawyer here, where the problem is especially pronounced. “Their chances are pretty good of walking away and not having the bank collect.”

Lenders wrote off as uncollectible $11.1 billion in home equity loans and $19.9 billion in home equity lines of credit in 2009, more than they wrote off on primary mortgages, government data shows. So far this year, the trend is the same, with combined write-offs of $7.88 billion in the first quarter.

Even when a lender forces a borrower to settle through legal action, it can rarely extract more than 10 cents on the dollar. “People got 90 cents for free,” Mr. Combs said. “It rewards immorality, to some extent.”

Utah Loan Servicing is a debt collector that buys home equity loans from lenders. Clark Terry, the chief executive, says he does not pay more than $500 for a loan, regardless of how big it is.

“Anything over $15,000 to $20,000 is not collectible,” Mr. Terry said. “Americans seem to believe that anything they can get away with is O.K.”

But the borrowers argue that they are simply rebuilding their ravaged lives. Many also say that the banks were predatory, or at least indiscriminate, in making loans, and nevertheless were bailed out by the federal government. Finally, they point to their trump card: they say will declare bankruptcy if a settlement is not on favorable terms.

“I am not going to be a slave to the bank,” said Shawn Schlegel, a real estate agent who is in default on a $94,873 home equity loan. His lender obtained a court order garnishing his wages, but that was 18 months ago. Mr. Schlegel, 38, has not heard from the lender since. “The case is sitting stagnant,” he said. “Maybe it will just go away.”

Mr. Schlegel’s tale is similar to many others who got caught up in the boom: He came to Arizona in 2003 and quickly accumulated three houses and some land. Each deal financed the next. “I was taught in real estate that you use your leverage to grow. I never dreamed the properties would go from $265,000 to $65,000.”

Apparently neither did one of his lenders, the Desert Schools Federal Credit Union, which gave him a home equity loan secured by, the contract states, the “security interest in your dwelling or other real property.”

Desert Schools, the largest credit union in Arizona, increased its allowance for loan losses of all types by 926 percent in the last two years. It declined to comment.

The amount of bad home equity loan business during the boom is incalculable and in retrospect inexplicable, housing experts say. Most of the debt is still on the books of the lenders, which include Bank of America, Citigroup and JPMorgan Chase.

“No one had ever seen a national real estate bubble,” said Keith Leggett, a senior economist with the American Bankers Association. “We would love to change history so more conservative underwriting practices were put in place.”

The delinquency rate on home equity loans was 4.12 percent in the first quarter, down slightly from the fourth quarter of 2009, when it was the highest in 26 years of such record keeping. Borrowers who default can expect damage to their creditworthiness and in some cases tax consequences.

Nevertheless, Mr. Leggett said, “more than a sliver” of the debt will never be repaid.

Eric Hairston plans to be among this group. During the boom, he bought as an investment a three-apartment property in Hoboken, N.J. At the peak, when the building was worth as much as $1.5 million, he took out a $190,000 home equity loan.

Mr. Hairston, who worked in the technology department of the investment bank Lehman Brothers, invested in a Northern California pizza catering company. When real estate cratered, Mr. Hairston went into default.

The building was sold this spring for $750,000. Only a small slice went to the home equity lender, which reserved the right to come after Mr. Hairston for the rest of what it was owed.

Mr. Hairston, who now works for the pizza company, has not heard again from his lender.

Since the lender made a bad loan, Mr. Hairston argues, a 10 percent settlement would be reasonable. “It’s not the homeowner’s fault that the value of the collateral drops,” he said.

Marc McCain, a Phoenix lawyer, has been retained by about 300 new clients in the last year, many of whom were planning to walk away from properties they could afford but wanted to be rid of — strategic defaulters. On top of their unpaid mortgage obligations, they had home equity loans of $50,000 to $150,000.

Fewer than 5 percent of these clients said they would continue paying their home equity loan no matter what. Ten percent intend to negotiate a short sale on their house, where the holders of the primary mortgage and the home equity loan agree to accept less than what they are owed. In such deals primary mortgage holders get paid first.

The other 85 percent said they would default and worry about the debt only if and when they were forced to, Mr. McCain said.

“People want to have some green pastures in front of them,” said Mr. McCain, who recently negotiated a couple’s $75,000 home equity debt into a $3,500 settlement. “It’s come to the point where morality is no longer an issue.”

Darin Bolton, a software engineer, defaulted on the loans for his house in a Chicago suburb last year because “we felt we were just tossing our money into a hole.” This spring, he moved into a rental a few blocks away.

“I’m kind of banking on there being too many of us for the lenders to pursue,” he said. “There is strength in numbers.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/12/business/12debt.html?_r=1

chad
13th August 2010, 10:16 AM
the new economic strategy of the middle class is "hoping there are too many people to go after." we are so f*cked.

Ponce
13th August 2010, 10:30 AM
A new house from $265,000 down to $65,000???, party time.........the only thing that I wonder is if the taxes on the house would be based on the old or new price?

I did see it in CA where a house that cost $500,000 sold for $125,000 but the taxes were still for the $500,000.


First post of the day...........good morning to one and all.

Still Barbaro
13th August 2010, 11:06 AM
I read this article, and there seem to be quite a few others out now. I agree with the comments above that the doo doo is hitting the fan, and things look to be getting worse.

When it comes to buying housing - timing is everything - and these people in these articles not only made horrible decisions based on timing, they over-payed, had bad mortgage loans, and honestly,

Are what I consider to be, stupid people.

Phoenix
13th August 2010, 02:10 PM
homeowners nationwide borrowed a trillion dollars from banks


They did? Or did they "borrow" electronic digits fraudulently marketed to them as "dollars"?




Now the money has been spent and struggling borrowers are unable or unwilling to pay it back.


Will the banksters accept payment in kind: thin air?




Lenders say they are trying to recover some of that money but their success has been limited, in part because so many borrowers threaten bankruptcy and because the value of the homes, the collateral backing the loans, has often disappeared.


:ROFL:





Even when a lender forces a borrower to settle through legal action, it can rarely extract more than 10 cents on the dollar. “People got 90 cents for free,” Mr. Combs said. “It rewards immorality, to some extent.”


WHAT "immorality"? Lending real money at interest is a Biblical sin. Debasing currency is a Biblical capital offense. Put them together, and someone needs to be shot.

They should thank God that ruthless default is the only consequence of their criminality.




Utah Loan Servicing is a debt collector that buys home equity loans from lenders.


An example of the truth that all debt collection agencies are CRIMINALS.

They are not "servicing" loans. They are debt buyers, who perpetrate FRAUD on consumers and the courts by claiming they are merely "collecting" a "loan" for the original creditor. Under all forms of just law, one may not be Unjustly Enriched beyond what one has actually lost. These fu*kers will almost always allege "unjust enrichment" against you in their court filings, so return the favor! Demand they prove their actual "loss" on the claim, usually a single-digit percentage of the amount deceitfully claimed ("Clark Terry, the chief executive, says he does not pay more than $500 for a loan, regardless of how big it is.").

One of the easiest defense tactics against debt terrorists' lawsuits is to demand they prove who is the Real Party in Interest, when they file fraudulent actions using the Original Creditor's name as the Plaintiff (which they almost always do).




“Anything over $15,000 to $20,000 is not collectible,” Mr. Terry said. “Americans seem to believe that anything they can get away with is O.K.”


You mean like your modus operandi?




“I am not going to be a slave to the bank,” said Shawn Schlegel, a real estate agent who is in default on a $94,873 home equity loan.


A round of applause for Mr. Schlegel!




His lender obtained a court order garnishing his wages, but that was 18 months ago. Mr. Schlegel, 38, has not heard from the lender since. “The case is sitting stagnant,” he said. “Maybe it will just go away.”


A dangerous assumption. He best have Chapter 7 or Chapter 13 papers ready for filing if they try to start enforcing it. Unless he's working off the books, then he's probably safe indefinitely.




Since the lender made a bad loan, Mr. Hairston argues, a 10 percent settlement would be reasonable. “It’s not the homeowner’s fault that the value of the collateral drops,” he said.


Interest was originally intended to cover the risk involved in making such a loan, so essentially Mr. Hairston is correct. Nowadays, however, interest is expected to be pure profit for no creation of value, with full recourse (when they can pull it off) for loss of principle.




“It’s come to the point where morality is no longer an issue.”


Morality NEVER WAS the issue. Banksters who make phony "loans" of "money" they never had have no moral authority to use the "morality" club to beat over the heads of people who learned the hard way the full details of the SCAM perpetrated on them.




Darin Bolton, a software engineer, defaulted on the loans for his house in a Chicago suburb last year because “we felt we were just tossing our money into a hole.”


That's correct, Mr. Bolton. A BLACK hole. And rather than keep paying, set a course of 180 degrees, Warp Factor 9, ENGAGE!




“I’m kind of banking on there being too many of us for the lenders to pursue,” he said. “There is strength in numbers.”


One must engage in "active self-defense" with debt terrorists, if one wishes to use the "strength in numbers" advantage. If you defend yourself, debt terrorists will almost certainly move on to easier targets.

NEVER fail to respond to a summons, NEVER let them have a default judgment.

ximmy
13th August 2010, 02:58 PM
A new house from $265,000 down to $65,000???, party time.........the only thing that I wonder is if the taxes on the house would be based on the old or new price?

I did see it in CA where a house that cost $500,000 sold for $125,000 but the taxes were still for the $500,000.


First post of the day...........good morning to one and all.


tax is reassessed after the new owner purchase price is recorded... so it would be based on your 125.000 example for cali...

Ponce
13th August 2010, 04:55 PM
ximmy? I read that in NJ the tax was not the new $1.00 price of the home but $87,000 old price of the home...... ???

chad
13th August 2010, 05:10 PM
phoenix, i'm just curious, are you ruthless defaulter? ;)

ximmy
13th August 2010, 05:18 PM
ximmy? I read that in NJ the tax was not the new $1.00 price of the home but $87,000 old price of the home...... ???


don't buy in Jersey then... :(

Phoenix
13th August 2010, 05:30 PM
phoenix, i'm just curious, are you ruthless defaulter? ;)


And why would you ask that? LOL

:D

MoMoney
14th August 2010, 01:16 AM
ximmy? I read that in NJ the tax was not the new $1.00 price of the home but $87,000 old price of the home...... ???


don't buy in Jersey then... :(

What Jersey just enacted is a cap on property tax increases...something like a 2% cap per year...very good!