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Phoenix
14th August 2010, 01:41 PM
I'm posting this in General since this is a lot more than just a "religion" story. It shows the values of Russia which clash with the geopolitical aims of Washington, London, and Tel Aviv.


http://www.sunlituplands.org/2010/08/putin-medvedev-celebrate-new-public.html

Monday, August 9, 2010
Putin, Medvedev Celebrate New Public Holiday Marking the Adoption of Christianity in Russia
From Ministry Values
By Stephen K. Ryan

In a stunning example of the resurgence of Christianity in general and the Russian Orthodox Church in particular, President Medvedev marked the adoption of Christianity in 988 with a new public holiday. This is the latest demonstration of the Kremlin's support for an Orthodox Church that has grown increasingly powerful since the fall of Communism.

Some rights groups have criticized the new holiday, approved by President Dmitry Medvedev, as undermining Russia's secular constitution.

To read "Is Russia more Christian than the United States?" <a href="http://www.ministryvalues.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=787&Itemid=354">Click here</a>

Marking the anniversary Patriarch Kirill, head of the Russian Orthodox Church, held a liturgy in Kiev, the capital of modern Ukraine and mediaeval Kievan Rus, whose leader Prince Vladimir made Christianity the state religion more than 1,000 years ago.

Reuters reported the Patriarch as saying "Facing aggressive atheism and resurgent paganism we remain firm in our belief in God,"

Since the fall of the Soviet Union almost 20 years ago, the Orthodox Church has undergone a revival as Russia's leaders have endorsed it as the country's main faith.

Vladimir Putin, after lighting a candle in Veliky Novgorod's Saint Sophia Cathedral, said "This was an event of colossal significance ... Russia made a historical choice"

Many believe such an official State recognition of a religious event would be impossible in the United States.

Reuters reported :

"It is really cool that this is finally happening. It's good young people know about our history," said Anton, a 22-year-old artist. Retired engineer Zina looked on. "I regularly go to church and maybe this will encourage others," she told Reuters. The trend toward consolidation of the church as a national force in Russia has worried its 20-million strong Muslim population -- a seventh of Russia's people -- as well as those who believe church and state should be strictly separated.

July 28 was celebrated in Russia en masse twice before -- in 1888 and 1988 -- but significantly Wednesday's holiday was the first time it was marked on a state level.

Its millennium celebration in 1988 under Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev was widely considered a turning point for the church's revival while Russia still lived under Communism.

LuckyStrike
14th August 2010, 07:00 PM
I have mixed feelings about Russia but stories like this are certainly a step in the right direction.

It reminds me of this one where Putin put an end to the sodomite pride parades in Moscow


"PRIME MINISTER VLADIMIR PUTIN WILL NOT TOLERATE that which he deems will undermine the “moral foundations” of Russian society. For on May 16, 2009, the latest attempt to hold a Gay Pride Parade in Moscow was over before it began.

Moscow police broke up a crowd of gay activists preparing to protest, arresting at least 24 of them, including the event’s organizers, of whom, some were outside agitators from Europe. The activists had gathered in front of Moscow State University in the south-western part of the city.

As the protestors began chanting: “We want the right for same-sex marriage!” - Vladimir Putin instructed the mayor of Moscow, Yury Luzhkov, to send in riot police to make the arrests. Putin did allow, however, an earlier rally in the center of Moscow to take place. This rally was made up of a large number of demonstrators from various Russian Orthodox Christian organizations who denounced homosexuality and lesbianism."

http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=401

Spectrism
14th August 2010, 07:51 PM
There are more true christians in China than US as well. The blessings will be removed from those who choose to turn from God. But those who are born into the kingdom of God will also experience new threats.

Phoenix
14th August 2010, 11:19 PM
But those who are born into the kingdom of God will also experience new threats.


Commitment to Christ = Terrorist.

keehah
15th August 2010, 04:26 AM
But those who are born into the kingdom of God will also experience new threats.


Commitment to Christ = Terrorist.


Putin is no dummy, he knows a good control meme when he sees it.

Fortyone
15th August 2010, 05:27 AM
Russia does not pretend to be a melting pot. Why cant it be a Official White Christian nation?Islam has Saudi Arabia with its Sharia laws and holy sites,The Zionists have Shizrael. I fully support Putin in his defense of Russian culture.It may have some bumps and not be perfect, but much better than the spiral the US is going down. My Russian relocation option may have just made a positive turn.

Awoke
15th August 2010, 06:56 AM
The trend toward consolidation of the church as a national force in Russia has worried its 20-million strong Muslim population -- a seventh of Russia's people


Haha! Just imagine how the jews feel!

Stop Making Cents
15th August 2010, 07:28 AM
There's a lot to like about Russia nowadays. They are preserving their Western Heritage, and Western Europe and America are flushing it right down the toilet as fast as they can.

LuckyStrike
15th August 2010, 10:51 AM
There's a lot to like about Russia nowadays. They are preserving their Western Heritage, and Western Europe and America are flushing it right down the toilet as fast as they can.


Plus I figure if they are pissing the neo cons off here in the US, they must be doing something right.

Phoenix
15th August 2010, 02:58 PM
Haha! Just imagine how the jews feel!


They're probably scheming ways on how they can infiltrate and take over the Orthodox church.

Fortyone
15th August 2010, 03:01 PM
Haha! Just imagine how the jews feel!


They're probably scheming ways on how they can infiltrate and take over the Orthodox church.

yea, probably, they tried to destroy it once, that didnt pan out,now they will try to get Priests named Rabinowitz ordained.

Saul Mine
16th August 2010, 03:10 AM
There's a lot to like about Russia nowadays. They are preserving their Western Heritage, and Western Europe and America are flushing it right down the toilet as fast as they can.


That's nice, except that the only heritage a lot of them know is to be drunk all the time.

Awoke
16th August 2010, 06:16 AM
Haha! Just imagine how the jews feel!


They're probably scheming ways on how they can infiltrate and take over the Orthodox church.

yea, probably, they tried to destroy it once, that didnt pan out,now they will try to get Priests named Rabinowitz ordained.


They have tried to destroy it on an ongoing basis. There are presently a lot of Bishops and Cardinals that are crypto jews, and there have be a lot of Popes in the past that have been excommunicated after it was proven they were crypto jews.

You can't trust names, because one of the major tools they have is assuming a new identity.

Only by their actions can you discern the jew from the Priest. Watch for philo-semetic behaviour and you will know right away.

DMac
16th August 2010, 07:00 AM
Some balance before we engage in Russian cheerleading :oo-->

Chief Rabbi of Russia Berel Lazar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berel_Lazar)


Rabbi Shlomo Dovber Pinchas Lazar, better know as Berel Lazar, (born 1964) is an Orthodox, Chabad-Lubavitch Hasidic rabbi. He is presently Chief Rabbi of Russia, and chairman of the Federation of Jewish Communities. In September 2005 Lazar became a member of the Public Chamber of Russia.

The 'top rabbi' is a part of the Brooklyn based Chabad-Lubavitch! This is the political power behind the Babylonian Talmud. Some of you have short memories. If there is any raising of Christianity or Christian values in Russia it is likely before a new pogrom begins against them.


From the Oxford University Chabad Society's second Joseph Graham memorial lecture (http://www.oxfordchabad.org/templates/articlecco_cdo/aid/640796/jewish/Chief-Rabbi-of-Russia-Berel-Lazar.htm):

(snips)


Guest of Honour: The Honourable Mr. Nathaniel Rothschild

(Rothschild:)
My only qualification for speaking tonight is that I am very good friends with Rabbi Lazar. I thank Elliot Shear for sponsoring this event and I thank my friend and business partner David Slager for sponsoring this centre and making it a reality.


I have been going to Russia since 1992, when I was still a student in Oxford. When I began visiting Russia regularly around 2001, I didn’t have much idea about the resurgence of Jewish life. However, I met Rabbi Lazar in Switzerland at the World Economic Forum in Davos and I was struck by watching this figure and we eventually connected and started talking, and from there began a friendship and I started visiting his centre in Russia, many times a year.

For me it was an incredible experience to watch it grow and his efforts in this. It has over 140,000 members, serves over 1,000 meals a day and helps 15,000 elderly people. It is a place where Jews and non-Jews visit. It has a synagogue and swimming pool and there is work a foot to build a Jewish museum. At the same time Rabbi Lazar is a great unifying force in Russia. I have met some important people at his centre, including a leading Muslim businessman n Russia, who is now a close friend.


I have only wonderful things to say and I am very honoured to introduce him here tonight.


Lecture: Chief Rabbi of Russia Rabbi Berel Lazar


Rabbi Lazar, My call to fame is actually being Mr. Rothschild’s friend and it is a pleasure to honour Mr. Rothschild and David Slager for what they have done here in Oxford for the Oxford University Chabad Society, with the opening of the Slager Chabad Centre, under the leadership of Rabbi Brackman. It should be a lesson for many of us not to forget ones Alma-Ata. Not to forget what one received and remember to give back. Another reason I am here is in honour of Elliot Shear who has sponsored tonight’s lecture in memory of his grandfather, Joseph Graham.

We will be celebrating in a few weeks the holiday of Purim, when we read the scroll of Esther. The story begins with a big feast, divorcing his wife, remarrying and goes on and on until finally arrives at the point, when the Jews were saved from the wicked Haman during the Persian of the Jewish people in 5th century BCE. Most of the narrative, however, has nothing to do with actual point of the story. Many people have asked why it’s necessary all the details, aside from the fact that Jews are good story tellers.


A young Russian boy
(The story of Putin's beginnings)


I will tell you a small story, which took place in St Petersburg about 50 years ago. A young non-Jewish boy grew up in a very poor family. Those times, most people lived in communal apartments, which had different rooms for families and shared kitchen and living area.



This boy had poor parents who were barely home. He was fortunate that a neighbouring family from another room in the apartment started inviting him over. The father was a professor who helped him with his homework, they babysat for him. He was a young boy. The family, who was Jewish, also invited him for the Friday night Shabbat meals. He remembers how they used to take out an old book and read from this book after the meal.



At that time, the boy said, look how impressive these people are. They never fight with each other. There is respect between the husband and wife; a beautiful family to emulate.



Many, many years later, the same boy grew up and became the vice-Mayor of St Petersburg. There was an issue of opening a Jewish school in St Petersburg, about 19 years ago. The vice Mayor heard that the city government was not giving permission for the school to open.



He went over to the deputy minister of education and asked him how comes you don’t want to give permission to open the Jewish school. He said, because I am Jewish and everyone will say that it is because I am Jewish I opened the Jewish school. I thought it would be better to leave the status quo. There is no Jewish school and we will leave it how it is; it will be better for all.



The boy, now vice-Mayor of St Petersburg, took the papers and signed the papers himself. Although he wasn’t allowed to sign because it wasn’t his department he nevertheless signed the papers. This was how the first Jewish school opened up in St Petersburg. This boy was Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.


Today, he has a few more days of being president of Russia, as on Sunday there are elections and it just shows how G-d pre-plans our life with us realizing.


Fifty years, a young boy, was helped by a Jewish family and there is no question that the revival and success of Jewish life today in Russia is due to the president of Russia Mr. Putin.


There was recently an article published in the NY Times by a Professor at Maryland University entitled “the anomaly of the President of Russia and the Jewish community”. One thing that we have seen in the last eight years of Mr. Putin’s presidency is his great support fighting for the Jewish community against anti-semitism. No other president in the world has come out so forcefully in such a radical way against anti-semitism.


I heard from Elliot Shear an hour ago that there is a meal planned at Buckingham Palace by the Duke of Edinburgh in honour of an official visit to the UK by President of Israel Shimon Peres. When Mr. Sharon came to Russia he had many long meetings with Mr. Putin. Every time he came out of such meetings, he said, as Mr. Olmert and Mr. Netanyahu have, that we have a close friend of Israel in the Kremlin.


Once when Mr. Sharon was meeting Mr. Putin, the meeting was taking much longer than expected. Every so often someone would walk into the meeting with a small piece of paper. Mr. Putin would say a few words in Russian and the person would leave. A few minutes later someone else walked in with another piece of paper. The president tells him something and the person walks out. On the third time, Mr. Sharon turns to President Putin and says, when, in Israel, someone comes in during an important meeting with a piece if paper, it’s a sign that something terrible has happened in the country. Did anything happen, should we cut the meeting short.

The president said, actually my staff realised that the meeting is taking much longer than expected, so they offered we should have lunch. I told them that you will surely eat Kosher and I gave them the instructions how to arrange a Kosher meal.

Mr. Putin then said to Mr. Sharon that, looking at you, I am sure you wouldn’t refuse a meal. So I am happy to let you know that we have a Kosher meal coming in, in a few minutes.

That wasn’t the first time that we had a Kosher meal arranged in the Kremlin. When President Katzav came to Russia the reception was completely Kosher. We koshered the whole kitchen in the Kremlin. At that time there was an article in the NY Times, “why did the rabbi blow torch the kitchen in the Kremlin”.

more at link



So a young poor boy gets taken in by a Jewish family, has friendly connections with the Chabad-Lubavitch Hassidics, Nathaniel Rothschild and is supposed to be the savior of Christianity in Europe?

Fool me once...

A quick reminder of the history of the KGB and the Orthodox Church, Putin is 'former' KGB:

Orthodox Church unholy alliance with Putin (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1579638/Orthodox-Church-unholy-alliance-with-Putin.html)


The relationship might seem odd. It was the KGB, after all, that led persecution of the Church in Soviet times, when priests were regularly jailed, tortured and executed. Neither this nor accusations that Mr Putin is restoring many of the attributes of Soviet rule seem to bother Alexei.

Although he has never confirmed it, the patriarch, like the president, is a former KGB agent codenamed Drozdov, according to Soviet archives opened to experts in the 1990s.

Many in the Orthodox hierarchy are also accused of working as KGB informers, a fact that critics say the Church has never fully acknowledged.

"Essentially, the Orthodox Church is one of the only Soviet institutions that has never been reformed," said one priest, who declined to be identified for fear that he could be defrocked. That fate already befell another colleague, Gleb Yakunin, in the 1990s when he called on Church leaders with KGB links to repent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoJc7VoEmq0

The Chabad-Lubavich's are not Neocons. This is the building of the opposite side of the 3rd war.

Some power broker/Oligarchs behind Putin:

Badri Patarkatsishvili (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badri_Patarkatsishvili)

Roman Abramovich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Abramovich)

Putin helped take down Yukos. Who took over Yukos when Khodorkovsky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Khodorkovsky)was taken down?

Right, it's our good friend and Chabad-Lubavich spawn of Satan supporter himself: Jacob, 4th Baron, Rothschild (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Rothschild,_4th_Baron_Rothschild)

If Putin's sellin' it, I ain't buying it. The Russians have always been experts at mind war. Putin is a propaganda wizard. Do not fall for his spells. Even if you are not able to see that sometimes it may take years for the facade to be built in its entirety.

gunDriller
16th August 2010, 07:40 AM
Russia does not pretend to be a melting pot. Why cant it be a Official White Christian nation?Islam has Saudi Arabia with its Sharia laws and holy sites,The Zionists have Shizrael. I fully support Putin in his defense of Russian culture.It may have some bumps and not be perfect, but much better than the spiral the US is going down. My Russian relocation option may have just made a positive turn.


i talked to Dmitry Orlov the blogger about it, specifically about the use of English in technical jobs in Russia.

he says English-speaking is very wide-spread in the technical fields in Russia.

chad
16th August 2010, 08:45 AM
fatima

ShortJohnSilver
16th August 2010, 09:33 AM
There's a lot to like about Russia nowadays. They are preserving their Western Heritage, and Western Europe and America are flushing it right down the toilet as fast as they can.


That's nice, except that the only heritage a lot of them know is to be drunk all the time.


There's a joke about the Irish in there somewhere ...

Saul Mine
16th August 2010, 01:48 PM
No joke: Moscow is very hot and surrounded by forest fires, so the people go swimming in fountains, rivers, anyplace wet. Thousands drown every week, and most of those deaths are blamed on alcohol consumption, not heat or air pollution.
Story here. (http://www.hs.fi/videot/1135258625336/)

Fortyone
16th August 2010, 06:44 PM
Haha! Just imagine how the jews feel!


They're probably scheming ways on how they can infiltrate and take over the Orthodox church.

yea, probably, they tried to destroy it once, that didnt pan out,now they will try to get Priests named Rabinowitz ordained.


They have tried to destroy it on an ongoing basis. There are presently a lot of Bishops and Cardinals that are crypto jews, and there have be a lot of Popes in the past that have been excommunicated after it was proven they were crypto jews.

You can't trust names, because one of the major tools they have is assuming a new identity.

Only by their actions can you discern the jew from the Priest. Watch for philo-semetic behaviour and you will know right away.


The Eastern Church has no pope,nor cardinals, But there are Bishops. Bishops are almost always chosen from a Monastery.There is no one head of the Church, although some not understanding the faith claim the Patriarch of Constantinople is, although he isnt.Occasionally there will be a need to convene Church doctrine or challenges then a "Great Council" is called for all available bishops to review and decide the outcome. I bring this up because it seems some here believe Russians are catholics, they are Predominately Orthodox,as are the Serbs,Greeks,Bulgarians, Rumanians. Poles and Croats and czechs are the predominant Catholic Slavs.

Awoke
16th August 2010, 07:41 PM
Haha! Just imagine how the jews feel!


They're probably scheming ways on how they can infiltrate and take over the Orthodox church.

yea, probably, they tried to destroy it once, that didnt pan out,now they will try to get Priests named Rabinowitz ordained.


They have tried to destroy it on an ongoing basis. There are presently a lot of Bishops and Cardinals that are crypto jews, and there have be a lot of Popes in the past that have been excommunicated after it was proven they were crypto jews.

You can't trust names, because one of the major tools they have is assuming a new identity.

Only by their actions can you discern the jew from the Priest. Watch for philo-semetic behaviour and you will know right away.


The Eastern Church has no pope,nor cardinals, But there are Bishops. Bishops are almost always chosen from a Monastery.There is no one head of the Church, although some not understanding the faith claim the Patriarch of Constantinople is, although he isnt.Occasionally there will be a need to convene Church doctrine or challenges then a "Great Council" is called for all available bishops to review and decide the outcome. I bring this up because it seems some here believe Russians are catholics, they are Predominately Orthodox,as are the Serbs,Greeks,Bulgarians, Rumanians. Poles and Croats and czechs are the predominant Catholic Slavs.


Greek Orthodox or Eastern Orthodox?

Either way, the 5th column is in operation.