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Phoenix
14th August 2010, 01:08 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/aug/13/us-cities-massive-publc-services-cuts


US cities face up to massive cuts

US outrage over public service cutbacks across America has found a rallying point in the death of 12-year-old Frank Marasco

* Andrew Clark
* guardian.co.uk, Friday 13 August 2010 19.14 BST

Barack Obama President Barack Obama this week signed a $26bn federal aid package for cash-strapped states but public anger at cutbacks is still growing. Photograph: Pablo Martinez Monsivais/AP

Flanked by two silver balloons bearing the words "I love you‚" and a forlorn blue cuddly toy, the face of 12-year-old Frank Marasco smiles out from a collage of pictures assembled by shocked neighbours on the veranda of his burned-out home. The young autistic boy died in a fire last week thought to have been sparked by a discarded cigarette.

The inferno should have been a routine job for Philadelphia's 1,900-strong fire brigade, the fifth biggest force in the US which handles four major incidents daily. But the nearest fire station to Frank's house, just two blocks away, was unavailable after a so-called "brown out". Firemen at the station, barely 90 seconds' walk from the site of the fire, were on a maintenance run after a 12-hour shutdown, part of a rota of rolling daily closures imposed by city authorities grappling with a wrenching deficit of $2.4bn (£1.5bn) over five years.

"Everybody was running around trying to get the little boy out – he was stuck on the second floor," said a distraught neighbour, Virginia DeShields, whose house was damaged by smoke. She believes the boy might have been saved if the local firehouse had been open: "It's all right if you want to cut. But you shouldn't cut where lives are concerned. You can cut the prison system, cut the libraries, anywhere. But don't cut people who save lives."

Philadelphia's city authorities contend that first responders reached the scene within three minutes – a timeline disputed by Philadelphia's fire union, Local 22, which says it was closer to six minutes before an engine with hoses and water arrived. But irrespective of whether he could have been saved, Frank Marasco's fate is a rallying point in a titanic struggle over cuts engulfing cities and states across the US which are taking desperate budgetary measures, ranging from shutting schools to switching off streetlights and replacing tarmac roads with dirt tracks.

Local government in the US has traditionally been leaner than its British equivalent, with minimal public healthcare, patchy public transport and an ingrained culture of contracting out to private operators. The worst recession since the war has caused a triple-pronged slump: unemployment has eroded income tax takings, a dive in house prices has hurt property tax and weak consumer spending has reduced sales tax. Funding is stretched to breaking point.

The National League of Cities estimates that US municipalities, which had revenue of $398bn last year, face a fiscal hole of between $56bn and $83bn over the two years to 2012. States, which fund broader services such as schools, prisons and highway patrols, are in a worse jam — they grappled with a $192bn shortfall in 2010, equivalent to 29% of their budgets, according to the Washington-based Centre on Budget and Policy Priorities.

"We're seeing drop-offs in revenue that are breaking all records," said John Shure, deputy director of the CBPP's state fiscal project. "The irony is that people's needs are going up but the resources to meet them are going down."

Putting up taxes in a recession is politically unpopular and risks hampering a recovery. And borrowing money is not an option as most US local authorities are prohibited from going into debt. Shure says: "They're required by their own constitutions to have a balanced budget. There's no good answer."

The draconian nature of some cuts would cause even Britain's austere chancellor, George Osborne, to blanch. In Georgia, the county of Clayton, which encompasses down-at-heel suburbs south of Atlanta, axed its entire public bus service to save $8m, leaving 8,400 daily riders high and dry. Faced with a hole in its education budget, Hawaii's Republican governor simply shut down the state's schools on Fridays, moving teachers and pupils onto a four-day week.

Struggling to pay for upkeep of asphalt roads, counties in Michigan and South Dakota have been converting paved country roads to gravel, turning back the clock of modernisation. Then there are trivial, yet eye-catching examples — Miami has dispensed with the services of its chicken catcher. The California city of San Diego disbanded its 27-year-old mounted police force. The state of Washington scrapped its board on geographic names, deciding it could do without a body overseeing the historical and cultural consistency.

Colorado Springs, a city of 360,000 people on the edge of the Rocky Mountains asked voters to approve a tripling of property tax in November. They voted no. So the city switched off a third of its streetlights, removed litter bins from parks, put its police helicopters up for auction online and halted many bus services at 6.15pm. City employees have been asked to stump up more for their own healthcare, while community centres and pools are looking for private money to stay open.

Residents of Colorado Springs are being encouraged to bring their own lawn mowers to trim the grass in public spaces.

And anybody who strongly wants lighting can "adopt a streetlight‚" for $75 a year.

Barack Obama this week signed a federal aid package of $26bn for cash-strapped states, some of which will filter through to cities. But many argue this is not enough.

Christiana McFarland, an expert at the National League of Cities, says: "Local authorities are in a serious situation at this point. In years past, we've been down to the bare bones in terms of budget. They're now cutting critical services such as public safety."

Back in Philadelphia, deputy mayor Everett Gillison says it is a "lie" that fire station "brown outs" compromise safety, blaming unions for a cynical campaign to protect overtime. But in a nation where firefighters are held in the top echelon of public esteem, the spectre of darkened firehouses is prompting anger. "That's right – you take pictures of it!" yelled resident Darren Braxton, pulling up in his car as the Guardian visited a shuttered fire station.

Braxton, a maintenance contractor, had some advice for the city authorities: "If you're trying to save money, do something else. You don't mess with the trash men because we'll become Filthadelphia. You don't mess with the police because young people round here don't value life and they be shooting people left, right and centre. And you don't mess with the firefighters because they put out fires."

Liquid
14th August 2010, 02:49 PM
"Everybody was running around trying to get the little boy out – he was stuck on the second floor," said a distraught neighbour, Virginia DeShields, whose house was damaged by smoke. She believes the boy might have been saved if the local firehouse had been open: "It's all right if you want to cut. But you shouldn't cut where lives are concerned. You can cut the prison system, cut the libraries, anywhere. But don't cut people who save lives."


That's heartbreaking, I bet there's going to be some policy changes regarding how fire stations handle brown-outs. It really wasn't the brown-out that was the problem, it was the fact that nobody was at the station because they were on a maintenance run. Nonetheless, those firefighters must feel terrible.

What they ought to during a brown-out, is perch a guy on top of the station just looking around the neighborhood for smoke. Use battery hand held radios to get dispatched to calls.

Firefighters are over-paid anyway, you've got thousands of people competing for these job, they are great jobs..but a lot of them just want the pay and benefits. These big dept's need to have some volunteers instead of a fully paid staff.

Bluegill
14th August 2010, 03:04 PM
Firefighters are over-paid anyway, you've got thousands of people competing for these job, they are great jobs..but a lot of them just want the pay and benefits. These big dept's need to have some volunteers instead of a fully paid staff.

And incredibly wasteful with resources. Around here even a simple semi emergency ambulance call gets the whole station. Along with every vehicle they have at their disposal. All for a simple slip and fall that wouldn't even require a trip to the emergency room.

I worked with a volunteer fireman once and asked him about that. His answer was two-fold. I need to point out that he too was critical of the behavior, and thought it was wrong.

1, They were bored and needed some excitement.
2, Because they can.

I lost all respect for firefighters ever since. At least the unionized ones. (They were already on my sh*t list for being libtards...) The volunteer firefighters and paramedics seem to be from a different mold. I think the best thing to happen would be go to an all volunteer force like most smaller counties and municipalities already have.

Bluegill
14th August 2010, 03:08 PM
Notice haw every time cost cutting comes up, it's always the programs that are actually beneficial to society. It's never welfare programs, or bureaucrat pay cuts, or belt tightening within the governing entity, or programs that few even wanted in the first place.

Mill Man
14th August 2010, 03:10 PM
This is a typical tactic. Police, ems, fire, and other essential services are the first things cut. Here in Washington state they are cutting these essential services as well but still have 10k to refinish a table in the state capitol, 14k for some god awful "art" for a park, 35k to send public employees to pebble beach to "learn how to run a golf tournament", 6k to send 2 parks and rec employees to australia for a parks and rec conference. All this while they say they can't afford essential services. This child died at because politicians couldn't be forced to cut their many pet projects.

Liquid
14th August 2010, 03:18 PM
The volunteer firefighters and paramedics seem to be from a different mold. I think the best thing to happen would be go to an all volunteer force like most smaller counties and municipalities already have.


I agree 100%. My old department was all volunteers. Some of the best times of my life actually, and I miss it. We did everything a paid dept did, we ran shifts at the station, averaged about 5-6 calls a 12 hour shift. That was busy, and our response times were excellent, around 3 minutes on average, which is very good considering you get the call, haul ass to the engine, don all your gear, and lights and sirens to the scene.

Volunteer depts are great, and a big part of the history of the fire service. I personally know that they work extremely well, and save cities a lot of money. We were given a little bit, mostly to cover gear we had to buy.

To this day, one of the most exciting things I've ever done was drag a hoseline into a building on fire.

I'd love to jump back on the engine again..but all the depts in my area are paid. >:(

Phoenix
14th August 2010, 04:09 PM
It really wasn't the brown-out that was the problem, it was the fact that nobody was at the station because they were on a maintenance run.


The maintenance run occurred because of the brown-out. Hence, the outrage. The firemen had nothing else to do, so they did something productive.

Phoenix
14th August 2010, 04:18 PM
Firefighters are over-paid anyway, you've got thousands of people competing for these job, they are great jobs..but a lot of them just want the pay and benefits. These big dept's need to have some volunteers instead of a fully paid staff.

And incredibly wasteful with resources. Around here even a simple semi emergency ambulance call gets the whole station. Along with every vehicle they have at their disposal. All for a simple slip and fall that wouldn't even require a trip to the emergency room.


I will not participate in unjust criticism of some of the few real heroes of society.

Most paramedic responses result in one engine, granted fully staffed, but that's justified when someone, nowadays common, weighs 300 pounds; two to tend, two to lift. Some FDs have an ambulance available, sometimes a private ambulance shows up.

I also have little concern about the cost of firefighters' pay and benefits. They are among the few who risk their ass against an enemy that has no emotion; it just destroys without regard for what it encounters.




I worked with a volunteer fireman once and asked him about that. His answer was two-fold. I need to point out that he too was critical of the behavior, and thought it was wrong.


Sounds like jealousy rather than justified criticism.




I lost all respect for firefighters ever since.


Fine, don't bother calling them when the crushing pains come on in your chest, or your garage is in flames because you didn't maintain the wiring.




At least the unionized ones. (They were already on my sh*t list for being libtards...)


Without unions, we'd have people just like you pissing & moaning that every service should be free of impact on bloated profits.



I think the best thing to happen would be go to an all volunteer force like most smaller counties and municipalities already have.


Yeah, yeah, we hear this shit from capitalists all the time.

How about an all-volunteer - I mean, truly, all-volunteer, no-pay military? Ah, that's "different," right?

For the cost of a couple weeks in Afghanistan, or the closure of an overseas base, we could restore any cut firefighting service nationwide.

Phoenix
14th August 2010, 04:19 PM
Notice haw every time cost cutting comes up, it's always the programs that are actually beneficial to society. It's never welfare programs, or bureaucrat pay cuts, or belt tightening within the governing entity, or programs that few even wanted in the first place.


Gee, you didn't mention the military, I wonder why? ::)

Liquid
14th August 2010, 05:20 PM
The maintenance run occurred because of the brown-out. Hence, the outrage. The firemen had nothing else to do, so they did something productive.


The maintenance run occured because they left the station. ;D Also, what is a maintenance run anyhow? Since maintenance is actually done at the station, they were probably going to the grocery store for food. That needs to get done, which is just bad luck a fire broke out when they were gone.

The point is that the brown out should not have caused that station to be placed out of service.

Phoenix
14th August 2010, 05:21 PM
The point is that the brown out should not have caused that station to be placed out of service.


Agreed.

Liquid
14th August 2010, 05:24 PM
I also have little concern about the cost of firefighters' pay and benefits. They are among the few who risk their ass against an enemy that has no emotion; it just destroys without regard for what it encounters.

Phoenix, there's a whole history of volunteer fire service, steeped in tradition, that's going away. It's like the game of risk, the big depts try to expand their service area and gobble up all the small volunteer departments.

We need to keep that tradition alive, for it's been shown over and over that volunteers can do the job just as good...if not better, than paid folks.

Bluegill
15th August 2010, 11:38 AM
Phoenix,

Private ambulance services don’t need the hook and ladder and pumper trucks, along with a dozen crew to get the job done…

How is the “enemy” not having a conscious relevant to anything. It’s their job. If they don’t like it, they can get another. The word “hero” gets thrown around and overused way, way too much. They are there for the money, unlike the volunteers. My volunteer co-worker made more money at his regular job than any union firefighter does, and yet he still volunteered.

He didn’t do it for money, but because he wanted to contribute to his community. In my book he is the real hero, if there ever was one. Also, I would hardly call that jealousy. What was he jealous of..? A pretty baseless assumption on your part.

As long as I’m paying their salaries, I can and will demand they come to my service and I don’t have to respect them if I don’t want to. As long as they campaign for Marxists, they will never get my respect.

You come across as a pro-union Socialist. It sounds like you have no problem with waste as long as it is one of your union brethren. I however, do have a concern for their pay and benefits when we have volunteers that will do just as good a job for a fraction of the cost. Again, especially when my bloated property taxes are paying for it, and my community is begging for a millage increase.

As to your wondering why I didn’t bring up the military, it’s because this thread is about local and state governments making cuts. The civil sector, not the military. If you want to discuss the military, start a separate thread and I will be happy to discuss my viewpoints with you. Avoid embarrassing yourself with more assumptions. You don’t know me that well, so you don’t know where I stand on that issue. Even though you come across thinking you do.

Liquid
15th August 2010, 12:25 PM
Private ambulance services don’t need the hook and ladder and pumper trucks, along with a dozen crew to get the job done…


Lot's of times an engine company beats the ambulance to the scene and starts patient care, in code 3 responses. Such as the case with someone who's not breathing, braincells start dying after 4 minutes or so if CPR isn't started. Actually 85% of calls are medical related for fire personnel. Also, as phoenix posted, try lifting a 300 lb dude on a stretcher. Those cute paramedic gals in the ambulance need strong firefighters around afterall. ;)

Phoenix
15th August 2010, 01:46 PM
I also have little concern about the cost of firefighters' pay and benefits. They are among the few who risk their ass against an enemy that has no emotion; it just destroys without regard for what it encounters.

Phoenix, there's a whole history of volunteer fire service, steeped in tradition, that's going away. It's like the game of risk, the big depts try to expand their service area and gobble up all the small volunteer departments.

We need to keep that tradition alive, for it's been shown over and over that volunteers can do the job just as good...if not better, than paid folks.


I love and respect the tradition of volunteer firefighters, but I also realize changing times. A labor of love with great risk makes them genuine heroes.

Phoenix
15th August 2010, 01:56 PM
The word “hero” gets thrown around and overused way, way too much. They are there for the money, unlike the volunteers.


Yeah, sure. Hmmm...choices...become a "business leader" or become a firefighter..."in it for the money." Where can they earn more? And for NO RISK?

Anyone who fights an enemy that has no feelings to protect life & property is a hero.




You come across as a pro-union Socialist. It sounds like you have no problem with waste as long as it is one of your union brethren. I however, do have a concern for their pay and benefits when we have volunteers that will do just as good a job for a fraction of the cost.


I don't see this swarm of volunteers offering their services for free to cities across the country. Why is that?

Yeah, I'm pro-worker, and if that means you will call me the epithet "socialist," so be it. Some of us aren't willing to take it up the ass like you want everyone to.




Again, especially when my bloated property taxes are paying for it


How about you offer to waive firefighting services in exchange for lower taxes? See what the local government offers.




As to your wondering why I didn’t bring up the military, it’s because this thread is about local and state governments making cuts. The civil sector, not the military. If you want to discuss the military, start a separate thread and I will be happy to discuss my viewpoints with you.


This thread is about a supposed lack of tax monies. You don't get your way, to confine the discussion only to sub-topics you like. The military expenditures of the US Government are the number one reason we are in economic collapse.




Avoid embarrassing yourself with more assumptions.


LOL

This is pretty funny coming from you.

You won't address the issue because the embarrassment is yours.

Bluegill
15th August 2010, 06:30 PM
The word “hero” gets thrown around and overused way, way too much. They are there for the money, unlike the volunteers.


Yeah, sure. Hmmm...choices...become a "business leader" or become a firefighter..."in it for the money." Where can they earn more? And for NO RISK?

Uh, that is only common sense... Basic human instinct. Make the most money with the least danger and effort. Duh...

How many of your union buddies would be willing to get another job and then do the firefighting voluntarily?

Anyone who fights an enemy that has no feelings to protect life & property is a hero.

Again, how is lack of feelings relative to anything..?




You come across as a pro-union Socialist. It sounds like you have no problem with waste as long as it is one of your union brethren. I however, do have a concern for their pay and benefits when we have volunteers that will do just as good a job for a fraction of the cost.


I don't see this swarm of volunteers offering their services for free to cities across the country. Why is that?

So your limited experience in life is completely representative of the rest of the world. Don't flatter yourself...

Yeah, I'm pro-worker, and if that means you will call me the epithet "socialist," so be it. Some of us aren't willing to take it up the ass like you want everyone to.

Hmm, pro-worker, sounds leftist to me, along with the common libtard phrase "working class". Working class only being blue collar workers. Successful business owners and white collar workers I guess don't work.

So if one is not a socialist, they are willingly taking it up the ass..? Taking what up the ass? Having to be self reliant and pay your own way is taking it up the ass?




Again, especially when my bloated property taxes are paying for it


How about you offer to waive firefighting services in exchange for lower taxes? See what the local government offers.

If I could, I would. But my statist community currently has a monopoly of force. They will not allow it. You know that, so why are you being stupid ass?




As to your wondering why I didn’t bring up the military, it’s because this thread is about local and state governments making cuts. The civil sector, not the military. If you want to discuss the military, start a separate thread and I will be happy to discuss my viewpoints with you.


This thread is about a supposed lack of tax monies. You don't get your way, to confine the discussion only to sub-topics you like. The military expenditures of the US Government are the number one reason we are in economic collapse.

Uh no dip shit, the title says "US cities face up to massive cuts" no where in the article was military spending mentioned.



Avoid embarrassing yourself with more assumptions.


LOL

This is pretty funny coming from you.

You won't address the issue because the embarrassment is yours.

Is that your way of deflection. I have noticed it from you quite a bit in other threads. I already stated I would be happy to discus that with you. Your being a coward by not taking me up on the offer. I have nothing to be embarrassed by. I offer the invite again...

Fudup
15th August 2010, 09:05 PM
The taxpaying citizenry at large has been held hostage by governments large and small all over the US for quite some time. Cutting the mayor's large and expensive staff, or extremely highly paid school administration or other administrative costs are almost never, ever on the table. Who takes it in the shorts? Fire, police, jails and teachers. Why? Because the politicians know that the citizenry can be fooled into believing that is the only place to cut and are extorted out of their money by merely letting a few very highly publicized tragedies occur. The politicians love it, they get to go on TV and berate their constituants for being so shortsighted as to not want to pay just a little more that could have saved poor Timmy. The media love it, as doom and death sells ads on their stations and newsrags and they are also (mostly) in league with the politicians anyway. The taxpayers just get hosed again and things go on as normal, with less and less in their pockets everyday.

What should happen, is the mayor should be run out on a rail, the highly paid administration should be cut by 2/3rd or more, public salaries should be brought in line with private sector compensation (or below because of job stability and benefits) and essential services can be funded or provided by volunteer citizens (that used to happen a lot when people still gave a shit about their neighbors). The town I grew up in had an excellent volunteer fire dept. Welfare services and other useless eater creating bennies need to be pared back to only those in physical need, handicapped, or otherwise mentally challenged. Churches and philanthropists did short term food kitchen and shelter things at one time for those in temporary need, but govt horned them out of their turf, in order to make more voters more likely to vote the way their food comes from.

Its a tough problem, and no politician has the guts to tell the voting public at large that the gravy train can't go on forever. No person can run for office on a platform of cutting public employees by 50%+ and working to eliminate bloodsucking unions from the publics back all the while telling the non-handicapped that the food and bling money is going to be cut off after a certain date, so get a freaking job.

We had a politician locally here that ran for mayor and he had a theme of less govt, less taxes and more jobs. Surprisingly (ha), when he gets elected, he does the same things as the old mayor, hold the town hostage by fire and crime and has "changed his mind" about new fees/taxes.

Do they threaten their families or something, or just buy them off?

FunnyMoney
16th August 2010, 12:05 AM
This child died at because politicians ...


Stating the obvious. While mass murder is part of the job description for leaders, it is by no means the only part, criminal negligence is in there as well, probably just prior to the section about life-long retirement benefits and immunity from prosecution.