H1B program - fake job ads to defraud American workers

[BrewTech]

This is from 2007... the video description:

"Immigration attorneys from Cohen & Grigsby explains how they assist employers in running classified ads with the goal of NOT finding any qualified applicants, and the steps they go through to disqualify even the most qualified Americans in order to secure green cards for H-1b workers. See what Bush and Congress really mean by a "shortage of skilled U.S. workers." Microsoft, Oracle, Hewlett-Packard, and thousands of other companies are running fake ads in Sunday newspapers across the country each week."

I honestly didn't know this was how it worked... WOW. I almost posted this under conspiracies but why bother?

I noticed it wasn't Muslims running this organization - (aren't they supposed to be the ones that want to destroy America? I don't get it.)

Anyone know if this is still happening?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU

[BrewTech]

Bump --- this has to be seen!

[Cebu_4_2]

Holy crap! Thanks for the video.

[I am me, I am free]

Anyone know if this is still happening?

Why would they have stopped?? Lying, cheating, and stealing is in the Tribe of Criminals' DNA. If anything they would have refined their techniques by now.

[BrewTech]

Anyone know if this is still happening?

Why would they have stopped?? Lying, cheating, and stealing is in the Tribe of Criminals' DNA. If anything they would have refined their techniques by now.


Can somebody explain why this is not TREASON?? They admit they know what the law is, and presumably why it is what it is, and they are blatantly admitting to fraud to skirt the law, and its intent.

[EE_]

So they put qualified people through the interviewing process with no intention of hiring them.
I hope some deranged applicant figures it out and gets very very angry at the people that perpetrate this fraud.




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[BrewTech]

So they put qualified people through the interviewing process with no intention of hiring them every intention of NOT HIRING THEM.
I hope some deranged applicant figures it out and gets very very angry at the people that perpetrate this fraud.




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Fixed your statement to make it more accurately reflect the truth... they use the term "force the applicant of the market". That's aggressive fraud.

[Ponce]

By hiring foreigners they would pay less than half of what they would pay an American.

[Still Barbaro]

Very disheartening video. The gov, attorneys, and US companies are selling the nation out.

[BrewTech]

By hiring foreigners they would pay less than half of what they would pay an American.


In 2007, that may have been the case. Do you think things may have changed since then? Hell, folks are taking major pay cuts just to keep their jobs; I imagine many an unemployed person would be willing to work for minimum wage at a job that used to pay twice that.

[lapis]

In 2007, that may have been the case. Do you think things may have changed since then?

Good question. All I know is that my neighborhood is packed with Indians, all working in high-tech jobs with the biotech and defense contractor industries.

[ShortJohnSilver]

This is completely in the open in the cellular engineer contracting industry. Lots of Filipinos due to all equipment in the Phils being GSM based and with lots of Nokia experience. You work at the local cell phone company for a few years, get experience, then work for a body shop that contracts you out - they take care of the H1B and later you apply for a green card.

These jobs pay $50-100K per year plus if you travel, you get a per diem as well. Even if you are just a driver, the guy that drives around with a bunch of cell phones and a laptop to test signal strength, you can make $30K plus.

[DMac]

I've always known H1 and other worker importing/outsourcing programs were nothing more than slavery 2000 style, but hearing some of the details in which the slavery is endorsed...yuck.

Probably been going on like this for at least 10 years.

[horseshoe3]

I can't believe the attitude I'm reading from some people who claim to be against government interference in private affairs. The law is ridiculous and there is nothing wrong with doing the bare minimum to comply.

My company has an Indian engineer. We hired him right out of grad school and he has been with us for 8 years. He does a great job and gets along well with everyone. The company has every reason to want to keep him and not replace him with someone new.

Foremost among these reasons is that he is a proven employee. Who knows what the new guy would be like? He might be good, or he might be awful. It's fairly certain he wouldn't be an improvement on what we've already got.

Training: Our guy already knows the system. Why should the gov't force us to spend several thousand in training a new guy and then waste several more thousand in salary getting sub-par performance while he gets up to speed.

Office chemistry: Our guy gets along well with everyone. Will the new guy? I don't know.

It's all a moot point now for us. He got his permanent residency, so we can stop wasting money on mock ads at the government's behest.

[BrewTech]

There's nothing wrong with hiring qualified workers (immigrant or not) to work at your company. The best candidate should get the job, regardless of origin.

Using fraudulent techniques aimed at deliberately disqualifying American workers so that some jackass can get his green card is a f*cking crime.

[horseshoe3]

I agree, but that's not the way the law is written. Close adherance to the law would require a company to hire ANY qualified American and fire the foriegner. Not a MORE qualified American, just anyone who meets a minimum threshold.

Even if it weren't written that way, but instead said that the American had to be MORE qualified, it still wouldn't make sense from a business standpoint. Not many of us are the best at what we do. I know I'm not. But I don't have any fear of my company replacing me because I'm pretty good and they would stand to lose more than they gain in the trade. Sure there are some better employees out there, but there are a lot more worse employees. Besides, even if they did get a better guy, it would be some years before they broke even with the transition costs and new hire inefficiency.

[BrewTech]

I agree, but that's not the way the law is written. Close adherance to the law would require a company to hire ANY qualified American and fire the foriegner. Not a MORE qualified American, just anyone who meets a minimum threshold.

Even if it weren't written that way, but instead said that the American had to be MORE qualified, it still wouldn't make sense from a business standpoint. Not many of us are the best at what we do. I know I'm not. But I don't have any fear of my company replacing me because I'm pretty good and they would stand to lose more than they gain in the trade. Sure there are some better employees out there, but there are a lot more worse employees. Besides, even if they did get a better guy, it would be some years before they broke even with the transition costs and new hire inefficiency.


Fire the foreigner?? Doesn't one have to have a green card before they can work in the US, according to the law?

Admittedly, having nothing better to do today, I've been enjoying some of Lost Abbey's finest (a generous gift from the creators), but I'm not quite getting how what you are saying relates to what is going on in the video. If I'm clueless, please enlighten.

[shakinginmyshoes]

Vdare.com says Cohen and Grigsby ought to change their firm name to

Lyre,
Lyre,
Pantz &
Fyre.

[horseshoe3]

Fire the foreigner?? Doesn't one have to have a green card before they can work in the US, according to the law?

Admittedly, having nothing better to do today, I've been enjoying some of Lost Abbey's finest (a generous gift from the creators), but I'm not quite getting how what you are saying relates to what is going on in the video. If I'm clueless, please enlighten.


A green card is slang for permanent residency. A foreigner can work in the US on a work visa (H-1b for white collar, or H-2b for blue collar). Work visas are temporary, and the employer must constantly defend the job against the department of labor. Once permanent residency is gained, the job is much more secure, but the employee still does not have full rights.