TAQIYYA - lying for islam

[SHTF2010]

Islam mandates deception [taqiyya] when Muslims deal with non-Muslims. Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers if the lie is for the protection of Islam or the furthering of Islamic goals and objectives


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvlvS2a2AVE&feature=related

[Fortyone]

Sounds like Jews

[crazychicken]

Should this be combined with the other Islam thread currently on GSUS?

CC




Islam mandates deception [taqiyya] when Muslims deal with non-Muslims. Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers if the lie is for the protection of Islam or the furthering of Islamic goals and objectives


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvlvS2a2AVE&feature=related

[Phoenix]

Canadian Guerrilla (SHTF2010) is a Zionist Shill!!

::)


(just kidding - at least on my part)

[Phoenix]

Sounds like Jews


Judaism (Talmudism) and Islam both have the same roots in the occult. Jews & Muslims have had good partnerships since Muhammad scribbled out the Quran.

This is a demonstration that the Muslims took Kol Nidre to a higher level.

[RJB]

I looked up the verses mentioned at 0:58 minutes

[16.106] He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief-- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.
and

[3.28] Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.
Neither verse mentions lying to non believers. I don't find them flattering to us but it doesn't say to lie us either. Is this different translation? Or am I missing something?

[G2Rad]

I looked up the verses mentioned at 0:58 minutes

[16.106] He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief-- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.
and

[3.28] Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.
Neither verse mentions lying to non believers. I don't find them flattering to us but it doesn't say to lie us either. Is this different translation? Or am I missing something?


Verse numbering in Koran vary from translation to translation.

Look 5 to 7 verses before and after the stated verse.

It is quite common.

[illumin19]

Hahahha, another Islam thread that's not even based on the QUR'AN.


That's like getting a christian thread and posting nothing but the pope's sayings. :D

[Phoenix]

Hahahha, another Islam thread that's not even based on the QUR'AN.


Why don't Muslims say "There is no god but Allah and Jesus Christ is his prophet"?

[301ouncer]

Peace and hope you all well. Was just passing by to wish brother illuimunaity blessed ramadan and wanted to quickly comment if you dont mind on Taqqiya.

Propaganda at its finest. This video really serves its purpose very well.

1) Islam hasn't been hijacked

Of course it hasn't been hijacked, just because a lot of people do not follow it correctly, doesn't mean its been hijacked. As for the Quran being literal, as in we don't pick and choose, of course we don't. So what?

The thing that must be put in mind is that interpreting the Quran is not dependent on one factor and thats it, a lot of stuff goes in to that process. When they say that a new rule arrogates an old contradictory one, they are half right, because yes that is the case, but it doesn't apply the way they are suggesting. All the verses in the Quran they have in mind concerning wars and stuff are not general rules, so they do not override the old general ones. All the supposed arrogated rules are in fact not so, and are agreed upon to be as such.

2) Sharia must be implemented everywhere. And muslims are at war with non-muslims.........

Nonsense, pure and simple. Sharia is implementing Islamic rules on ourselves, it shouldn't and wouldn't apply fully in the first place to non-muslims even in a majority populated muslim country. So how can we fight for its appliance on non-muslims, in a non-muslim country? How?

As for the ridiculous notion that we are supposedly out to fight non-believers, that is funny because it contradicts with many of the teachings of Islam.

3) Taqyya

There is no such thing in the first place. I only heard this term recently, its only shia muslims who use that term, and they do not apply it in the laughable way the video is suggesting. In reality its like this, muslims are allowed to hide their faith if death is inevitable, like in the beginning days of Islam when Quraysh where persecuting them.

[Book]

Islam mandates deception [taqiyya] when Muslims deal with non-Muslims.



Judea mandates deception [TALMUD] when Jews deal with non-Jews.

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[301ouncer]

Islam mandates deception [taqiyya] when Muslims deal with non-Muslims.



Judea mandates deception [TALMUD] when Jews deal with non-Jews.

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At least the noble Quran speak highly of blessed marry and Jesus pbut and not both being called vile names or being prosecuted/or/and tried to kill him by iraqies.

[PatColo]

Sounds like Jews


The scary moozlem propaganda piece does have that distinctive zio-signature Chutzpah Maneuverhttp://www.messianic-torah-truth-seeker.org/Torah/Kashrut/logo-ou-kosher-48.gif quality to it: PROJECTION...



They're masters at projecting their own evil onto others, flipping reality 180 degrees, or what I call the chutzpah maneuver. This sham zionist 'Stop the Scary-Moozlemization of America' organization is a classic example: projecting their own intentions onto an innocent group, while posturing as 'protectors' with righteous & altruistic intentions.


The zionists (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/the-zionist-elephant-in-the-room/) abhor & condemn all forms of LYINGhttp://www.messianic-torah-truth-seeker.org/Torah/Kashrut/logo-ou-kosher-48.gif (like what them scary lying moozlems are all about) :lol

[Phoenix]

As for the Quran being literal, as in we don't pick and choose, of course we don't...Sharia is implementing Islamic rules on ourselves, it shouldn't and wouldn't apply fully in the first place to non-muslims even in a majority populated muslim country...As for the ridiculous notion that we are supposedly out to fight non-believers, that is funny because it contradicts with many of the teachings of Islam.


The reader may verify the accuracy of these verses from the Quran at the University of Michigan's Quran archive, <a href="http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html">here</a>, or at any online or in any printed Quran.


From the Quran...


[3:56] Then as to those who disbelieve, I will chastise them with severe chastisement in this world and the hereafter, and they shall have no helpers.


[3.85] And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.


[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.


[4.51] Have you not seen those to whom a portion of the Book has been given? They believe in idols and false deities {Jesus Christ -p} and say of those who disbelieve: These are better guided in the path than those who believe.


[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.


[5.51] O you who believe! do not take...the Christians for friends...and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.


[5.72] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust.


[5.73] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah is the third (person) of the three; and there is no god but the one God, and if they desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement shall befall those among them who disbelieve.


[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.


[8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah


[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush


[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.


[9.30] [T]he Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!


[9.73] O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.


[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).


[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners


[48:29] Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves

[Phoenix]

At least the noble Quran speak highly of blessed marry and Jesus pbut


[5.72] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust.

[9.30] [T]he Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!