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Twisted Titan
18th August 2010, 02:19 PM
Without the cape, Superman was just mild-mannered, clumsy Clark Kent, who could never quite get the girl. By day, Spider-Man was the shy and dorky Peter Parker. And even the rich and charming Bruce Wayne -- Batman's alter ego -- had his limitations when he wasn't wearing that special suit.

But today's superheroes have no such vulnerabilities, making them poor role models for boys, psychologists now say.

Yesterday's superheroes talked about serving the public good, where today's -- as typified by Iron Man -- participate in nonstop violence, says Sharon Lamb, a University of Massachusetts distinguished professor.

Yesterday's heroes, she says, were brainy and wry in their daytime lives -- real people with problems and vulnerabilities. Today's are aggressive and sarcastic. Yesterday's were worthy role models, while today's exploit women and flash bling.

And it's not just the men in costume who kids are looking up to.

"Superheroes come in all forms," ranging from business scions such as Donald Trump to rap stars, Lamb tells ParentDish.

Lamb and her colleagues spoke to nearly 700 boys between the ages of 4 and 18 and walked through malls, speaking to sales clerks to gain an understanding of what boys were reading and watching on TV and at the movies.

She found that boys are being fed a narrow version of masculinity in which there are only two acceptable roles: They can be a "player" or a slacker who never tries anything so he can't fail. Lamb presented her findings at this year's annual convention of the American Psychological Association, held in San Diego, Calif., last week.

The entertainment media presents an image to boys in which male characters are either shown as winners or losers.

"A lot of boys' programming isn't about having boy friends hang out together. it's usually about being in the one up or one down position," Lamb tells ParentDish.

The alternative to being the guy on top in kids' programming, is to be the "lovable loser" we often see in Jack Black and Will Ferrell movies, Lamb says.

"If you can't be number one, you can just be the slacker who doesn't care," she tells ParentDish.

Slackers are funny, but they tend to dislike school and shirk responsibility, a message found not only in movies and on television but also in many books, such as the "My Weird School" and "Captain Underpants" series. And the sarcastic slacker humor isn't just for older kids, but reaches down to books for preschoolers, as well, Lamb says.

The solution isn't necessarily to shield boys from these types of media, but rather to educate them, Lamb says.

"You present alternatives of real men and real boys who don't fit these images, and then you teach boys to be suspicious of the way masculinity is presented," she tells ParentDish. "If you don't let them watch any of it, it becomes that much more interesting for them. Limited watching and co-viewing is your best bet, so you know what's out there."

Having said that, some movies, such as those rated PG-13 are simply inappropriate for young boys -- despite tie-ins designed to appeal to them,such as coloring books and toys, Lamb says. A child under 13 should not be allowed to watch movies with that rating.

"I really would protect young boys from those," she tells ParentDish.


http://www.parentdish.com/2010/08/17/holy-bad-role-models-todays-superheroes-send-wrong-messages-to/

Twisted Titan
18th August 2010, 02:24 PM
Comments are flaming hot..........




We have known for years that the entertainment industry produces toxic trash. If mom's did their job instead of running off to a job, they would be able to raise their children better.




Well said, Fred. Parenting by guilt goes a long way to creating spoiled, sissified, obnoxious boys. And there's a lot of guilt to go around when mom puts her baby in a daycare, and tries to substitute quality time for quantity time. Moms need to come back home and become anchors in their neighborhoods once again. Also, it's time we stop emasculating boys, and drugging and labeling them for their failure to sit still like girls.




Well said, both of you! Heaven forbid that mom wants a life outside of the house. Wait, wait a minute, WHAT ABOUT DAD? Does he not have a role in raising children or is that simply for mom to manage? Actually if boys had real men a.k.a FATHERS to teach them how to be real men then they wouldn't need fake heros to look up to. But I'm just being a stupid women assuming men have a role in anything else other drinking, women, and money.




Why don't you shut your 1920's mouth? There are parents who abuse the system and then there are parents who have to work because in this god forbidden economy there is just no other way to make it work!

Realistically what do you want!? Another family on food stamps because mom's at home waiting for their child who's at school half the day to come home? Another strain on the economy? Dinner time, Church and weekends are the best time to leave your mark on the next generation.




Mom never seems to mind Dads paycheck, just the time he spends out of the house getting it.
Todays pudgy, sissified boys need a superhero not the school counselor types wringing their hands over roughousing in the yard.

Mom can cut out the me time nonsense and Dad cut out the taproom and raise the kids.







Well said P, though lest we forget that when women stayed home we didn't have soaring juvenile crime rates, boys and girls had manners, divorce rates were lower, homes and cars cost less even when adjusted for inflation and PPP, teen pregnancy was unheard of, juvenille murder was largely a myth, and children actually had somewhere to go when they had problems. AND children weren't so fat they were on schedule for their first heart-attack at age 30.
Your comment is a perfect example of the selfishness of so many women that it is not PC to talk about. I truly don't envy the life women have some times, but in the end a woman having a life outside of the house should be a CHOICE, people like you helped ensure that a life outside of the house is not a choice but in fact mandatory.
And kudos, on your comment about men, I hope you didn't chip a tooth falling off of your high-horse.
I have nothing against a woman who wants the ability to define her own life. But a child is a responsibility, and children need someone at home. Who would you rather that person be? Personally I prefer it be the one with greater tolerance and empathy, imparted largely through the unique mother-child relationship. Father has many responsibilities of his own, but this is a case of "Right Person for the Right Job"
Has out society seen any benefits since mother decided her life outside of the home was more important than the upbringing of her children?
What makes me laugh is women like you who when confronted with this immediately point their fingers at men. Kind of like the children who point fingers at each other when a misdeed occured because no one was supervising them.
Once more we see how "I want" and "I can" was pursued without ever asking "Should I?" or "What will be the cost?"





women do not become moms by themselves. men need to step up and be decent dads to their children. children not exposed to both sexes treating each other with respect will not learn how to give or receive respect.





My mom knew back in the 50's and 60's that the entertainment industry was producing toxic trash and we did not even have a TV as a result. We played imaginitive play outside, built things, went to the library, got books, rode our our bikes. The five of us turned out fine. The kids today are very, very messed up as a result of parents granting the entertainment industry access to their children's minds.







Right you are! I built my first radio when I was in junior high. I got the schematic from the RCA tube manual. It used one tube type 30, coils I had wound by hand on old tube bases, a tuning (variable) capacitor taken from an old radio, a 22.5V B battery purchased at Lafayette Radio, an earphone taken from a telephone, and various other components. I put the chassis in an Optimo cigar box. I still remember the thrill I got when I turned it on, saw the filament glowing, and heard my favorite stations.






You present alternatives of real men and real boys who don't fit these images, and then you teach boys to be suspicious of the way masculinity is presented," she tells ParentDish. "If you don't let them watch any of it, it becomes that much more interesting for them. Limited watching and co-viewing is your best bet, so you know what's out there."My boyfriend thinks the same with me. He is eight years older than me, lol. We met online at ag elov er. c om a nice and free place for younger women and older men, or older women and younger men, to interact with each other. Maybe you wanna check out or tell your friends.








How unique, a woman telling the world how boys should be raised. This entire article is a farce.
Life has winners and losers, and it always will, most of your superheroes are winners, there is a serious problem in society when aspiration to be a winner is a bad thing.
I notice the picture of Tony Stark, how exactly does he, or Spiderman, or Superman, or Batman exploit women exactly? I would really like to know. I guess it must be in the same way Barbie and Dora exploit men.
You also seem to fail to notice that "old-school" super heroes with most of their 'normal' strengths and weaknesses simply displayed them as a facade to help cement their public identity. After all the seemingly inept Clark Kent is the last person you'd expect to be superman. Next time you write an article, try sticking to subject matter you are truly familiar with.
You know, eventually boys do in fact grow up, and realize the reality of the world. I will probably never be introduced with the word "Billionaire" in front of my name, but this article seems to imply my steady 9-5 posits me as a "loser".
This article as a whole flashes on that same parental irresponsibility that plagues our society. It is your job as a parent to teach your children morals and values. What they read for entertainment does not matter, if you allow them to draw their morals and values from fiction that is out of line with your own values YOU have FAILED as a parent. (See life does in fact have winners and losers) Blaming popular media for children's behavior is like saying "I have a glandualar problem" when the truth is you don't have the willpower to put down the fork.

Every great enterprise in human history has been built by a 'winner', I have a hard time seeing what the problem is in encouraging boys to aspire to be winners in their youth. Of course you can say it encourages them to become losers as well (or slackers as you put it) but wait, can you guess who has the responsibility of instilling young Junior with a strong work ethic? If your kid shirks school and responsibility, you can meet the individual responsible on your trip to the nearest mirror.

Violence has always sold, and it always will, it is a natural part of human or even further boy/man nature. Again it is the job of the PARENT to teach their sons when it is not acceptable. Rather than try to neuter them, and teach them that the world is a place of dullness with no winners, no losers, so genius, no stupidity, no right and no wrong, that the only difference between men and women is their size, thus defining the world by mediocrity.

madfranks
18th August 2010, 03:48 PM
Don't forget, if you're white and overtaxed, you must also be a racist!

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Phoenix
18th August 2010, 04:05 PM
God's intended role model for boys is the father, or, in some cases, a new dad when the father can't or won't fulfill his role.

Single-mom families deny boys the role model which can help him develop into a man.

And I don't blame the mothers primarily for the lack of a dad. Males who can't or won't be men are the primary problem.

Cebu_4_2
18th August 2010, 05:13 PM
God's intended role model for boys is the father, or, in some cases, a new dad when the father can't or won't fulfill his role.

Single-mom families deny boys the role model which can help him develop into a man.

And I don't blame the mothers primarily for the lack of a dad. Males who can't or won't be men are the primary problem.


The TeeVee brainwashing started at least 30 years ago. My kid dont watch any TeeVee although he does play some war games on PC which I don't agree with. I can only go so far, the brainwashing is really good these days.

wildcard
18th August 2010, 08:29 PM
there are parents who have to work because in this god forbidden economy


The ironing is delicious.

goldmonkey
18th August 2010, 09:03 PM
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